The Science of Wildfires: Why They're Getting Worse | WSJ
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- Global satellite data indicate wildfires are becoming bigger and more intense. WSJ talks with NASA’s Doug Morton to understand the science behind what’s making the planet more flammable and making fires harder to control. Noah Berger/Associated Press
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Forgot to mention the fact that indigenous tribes out west used to have contained fires for this very reason till we outlawed it.
yes to expand grazing areas
@Mike Fernandez wth are you talking about? There are dozens of tribes from here.
@@thesavoyard nah dude you need to educate yourself
White American Male umm yes there is and I’m one of them so I think u need to educate ya self🤣
Mike Fernandez Lol I’m an engineer out in Cali and there’s so many native burial grounds that our projects sometimes halt up to half a year to get the Native American tribal clearances that’ll then allows us to build our infrastructures. You have google, I’m pretty sure you can look them up.
"Only you can stop forest fire"
Me: getting into my car to drive across the country to throw a bucket of water
But they didn’t say stop, they said prevent.
It's only you can PREVENT forest fires
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Bring back Smokey bear. I grew up believing only I could prevent forest fires and knew to always put out campfires. He taught kids how to prevent fires as grown ups. Kids never forget the catchy slogans they learn early in life.
smokey bear racist.
Jibly Brice totally. He hate brown.... oh wait.
Fire itself can limit the spread of other fires. What should be done is not the entire prevention but create a mosaic across the landscape of smaller, more frequent fires. This creates a healthier system - something that the Forest Service told us while making a video on this topic.
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exactly. Had a friend who always said to me that smokey was an idiot with his catchphrase. We need fire to fight fire.
We have these prescribed burnings done in forests or open areas with high fuel loads in Australia during the autumn and winter so that they won’t start burning in the summer. Interestingly enough, aboriginal Australians used to follow this kind of fire management strategy long before European settlers arrived.
Logic.
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That Koala, my heart
:(
As someone with 2nd degree burns right now, I can't imagine what that koala must have suffered
So true 😢
Good news is that this koala was picked up by a local woman and taken to a koala hospital/sanctuary to be treated 🙂
(The video is somewhere here on YT, sadly I can’t find it at the moment)
@@Shelleybeane he died later
Scientist: this is a danger area
Americans: ight imma build a house there
nothing beats a cheap real state. Well selling that cheap real state with markup and profiting off it beats cheap real state.
Politicians: “Clearing brush is too expensive and labour intensive”
2018 California Wildfire: is $28 billion in damage too expensive?
Exactly. "It's climate change though!!!" Also add to that that this year's forest fires have produced over 100% CO2 above CA's typically annual output. SMH
@@neomacchio4692 yeah unfortunately there's large demographic in the united states Congress that do not believe climate change is real, or they do but they don't care; the enormous campaign contributions of those big corporate donors from the gas and coal lobbies is more important to them. it was only a few years ago that a united states senator brought a snowball onto the Senate floor as his "proof" that climate change isn't real...that's the kind of people we're dealing with.
I am a tribal from Indian hills..we had been doing this since ages of deliberately controlled burning of our forests to protect unwanted growth and nourishing of plants...ashes is considered a good manure traditionally (idk how scientific that is though)
@JHBL luck the ways of the old are getting lost..we have even lost much indigenous species of vegetables that our grandparents saw last.
Ashes contain lots of nutrients which is good for growing.
Ashes is good for plants. In our country we still use ashes mixed with earth to farm in our gardens. It's the traditional way of farming.
that's amazing! we should be taking notes from the people who have been settled here first. they know the land better than we do.
@@santiagoaurelio3444 for a time we did and for a time we may not have (also considering that no one nation existed in the New world at the time it was essentially a myriad of nation states not too different to Europe in a sense (I also feel that the story that is told about thanksgiving is in some way true let us not forget that the pilgrims were being persecuted based on their religion when they came (Despite the religious tolerance laws at the time) I doubt that they would have wanted to do what England (and or other European nations) did to them in return and another factor during the first settlements built by the pilgrims there was no “Central government” so its entirely likely in one area the pilgrims could have been at war with the natives of the area while in another area they could have gotten along peacefully and
I live in Valle Punilla in Argentina, where we had a lot of wildfires lately to, with slim to none government support
Good, stop having kids
WSJ, do you have a link to that timelapse global graphic at the end of the video?
Same thing happened here in Australia. I think controlled burns in winter is a good option
Most of Californias forests were cut down. Trees cool down the enviorment
In the winter if 2019 NPWS conducted more controlled burns than in previous years. The fires of 2019-20 burned not only rainforest but areas where controlled burns have been done within the past year. Controlled burns are a part of the mix but there needs to be a new approach to these changing fire behaviours.
The Sixth Extinction has started. Face it. We are the cause of this with our stupid and massive burning of fossil fuels.
Frequent fires in the USA are not optional either, we have to get back to that, Native Americans burned it annually and many tree species cannot even exist without fire including beloved redwoods!
blaming each other doesn't help, we need to work together. the main problem is ourselves.
Indeed. Example; with increased population comes increased resource usage, such as water. Such as ground water. Consider how the water tables across the West are being drawn in such ways that the forests are put under duress at a sub ground level thereby pressing the hydration of the soils across the west and stressing the forest and all other foliage.
In so many ways, we humans have such a substantial footprint upon the natural world. Considering the whole planet is our biosphere where we are given the opportunity of life, we SHOULD care... but we generally don’t.
trees: *exist*
Wall Street journal: *so the reason are these ladder fuels*
No commercial value. Well... we know nobody is going to do anything about any thing. We're all just going to watch the planet die.
The cost in dollars of forest management vs the cost in dollars of fire control and extreme environmental destruction ?...... management may make more sense, ideal area for job creation.
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But the cost in Forest Management will have nothing to show for it. Spend millions of dollars, No fires. Did we really have to spend all that money? There were no fires to speak of, what a waste of money.
Where spending money to fight the fire has something to show. Well only 5,000 acres burned, but it could have been worse. Look at all the people and equipment we had to use to stop it. Worth every penny...
People do this all the time, would rather spend money on the problem itself instead of spending on preventing the problem raising its head. If you prevent the problem, there is no problem, so any money spent on the problem is a waste. If you let the problem happen, you then have something to show why you are spending the problem.
@@Wailwulf I spotted a fallacy in your argument first the beast measure of defence is preventative action thus spending the money would show the reason why second (something that is quite clearly obvious today) If a small fire erupted somewhere it could easily be contained if you cleared the Forrest of fuel (I.E dead shrubs and trees)
@@sockshandle I agree with preventative maintenance. The problem is the value of the cost of preventative maintenance.
Spend 12 Million dollars and nothing happened. Gee whiz, was all that money necessary?
or let us say:
Spend 12 Million Dollars on a fire station and equipment. Best investment, that crew is out fighting fires all the time. Wonder how many more homes would have been lost, lives lost, and acres burned if we didn't have them.
Preventative Action shows a null result. Which most folk see as nothing happened, and if nothing happened, how do you know it would have not happened without the preventative action.
great rundown
I hope more fire fighting aircraft are made available as time goes on.
Would anyone know if dropping a load of giant water balloons would help?
The idea is for a load of water balloons to be dropped over a fixed point, and then maybe the sudden explosion of water would help soak the ground and slow the spread of fire. Would this method help in addition to the standard water dropping?
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I hope things get better and this ends quickly. Our prayers are with you guys! Stay safe! Saludos desde México!!
Can I use this video for my performance task?
This aged well (Canada wildfires)
Firebreaks by jdam's? Daisy cutters? Definitely more cost effective and more fun the felling trees
Not a word about international fires for clearing land for agricultural use?
Could be possible 🙄😣
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Whilst I have great sympathy for the damage experienced by Americans with this fire season, it's small compared to Australia last summer (Australian summer Nov - Feb, and before) so we know what our American cousins went through with these fires. And many are expressing the same recommended response being mentioned here. Even more significantly, our Aboriginal peoples have managed the land for thousands of years and we are learning from them, safe ways to do slow burns, preventing major fires without damaging flora, fauna nor habitat.
may God bless those people who have suffered from the destruction these wildfires had caused them
God already did way more than asked--"he" lit most of these with fave old tool lightening.
L'atom
We all need to do our part to help out!
Another factor the pine beetle. They eat out the center of the tree killing it, adding to fuel. When you look at landscapes, those brown, dead trees are beetle kill.
I think that koala was saved by the people who made the video.
True I think that one is still alive .
Smokey Bear, Bambi, poor forest management, lack of natural burns prescribed fire, all contribute to this issue. The future will be large wildfires and that won’t change.
The video at 2:39 shows clearly that the increased intensity of wildfires is caused by the homes and possessions brought into the forests by residents. The homes, cars, wood fences, and other flammable items burn to the ground while the trees do better. Building codes and home maintenance are part of the problem.
Here in Australia the 2019-2020 bushfires are known as the black summer
doug morton needs to talk to me if this is gonna be solved properly
Sure 👍
‘Member when California had a lake in the San Joaquin Valley? I ‘member. Now it’s a desert.
5:09 broke my heart
No rain low humidity and windy
One solution might be grazing. Lots of the stuff that burns can be or had been animal food.
Small trees can be prcessed to become paper or other useful stuff.
Indeed but fire is still essential, many native tree species can't exist without it, so it's a question of burning on 'our terms' or when conditions are most dangerous.
Grazing only lengthens the period before burning becomes necessary.
NASA's system of anticipating which areas are likely to have uncontrollable wildfire will greatly help to forewarn each country's firefighting and a great service towards fighting climate crisis.
First time I hear information about human destruction what a shame bring love 💕
I know what's going to happen now. Real estate values in or near those areas will plummet because people will not buy a house there.
Once a region has been swept by fire, the odds of a repeat fire are relatively low for perhaps 20 years or so.
@@goondocksaints9597 not any more. These fires appear in the same place again and again. The entire West coast is off limits to regular humans.
Because they cant buy fire insurance
@@goondocksaints9597 that depends how much fuel was burned on the previous fire. Brush fires can lead to future crown fires by destroying the undergrowth occasionally. Other times it helps. It will be extreme for some time because of the aggressive nature that we have had towards fighting these fires for over a century
Goondock Saints More like seven or ten years! It’s was seven in Northern California! Glad I left and moved further south we’re it is safer!
Has anyone seen 'the road' staring Vigo mortonson ?
How can we have a deforestation issue and also have too many trees at the same time?
Why show the koala 😭
To show the reality of things
nine koalas got more attention in Australia than the wildlife here.
I hear a lot on controlled burns! No one is talking about thinning trees and burning the debris left by the thinning! Thinning produces healthier bigger trees and cleaning and burning excess brush left after thinning can clean the forest floor reducing fuel for forest fires!
Wow but I'm from Rhode Island and here we don't have wildfires, so I'm wondering how bad are wildfires?
These fires are as devastating to see as the huge marine die-offs are in the east coast . i.e. BAD
Prayers
Right now politicians don’t care, neither do the “yeeyee” folk, but the price of lumber has skyrocketed, a sheet of 4x9 plywood went from $6 a sheet to $40 a sheet, pretty soon the price of building anything will be too expensive
Interesting.......
well, regarding the forest fires I truly believe that we can find evidence that such calamities are due to irresponsible state and federal government, for the last 40 years or more, they have been investing heavily into discrediting those ppl who would promote protecting the forests, a good portion didn't move a finger to stop those who like to destroy forest with fires, nor to stop those who show clear disregard for nature, the nature that is there, or that was there, took millions of years to get to that point, while a government took a few decades, or centuries at most, the plain disregard to provide clear welcoming protection to all the already endangered nature is a clear sign that the ppl in government have committed a mistake from where there is no coming back from, if ppl. loose their jobs for silly things of witch we got plenty of examples to mention, then these forest fires are of the sort of mistakes that should be capital crimes, in a country like the USA, where is common to find ppl., and corporations with more wealth than entire nations, there is no excuse, that could be valid, in case of someone wondering from where does all this finger pointing comes from, lets keep in mind that the way to move water that would be needed to stop and to prevent such forest fires, has been known for the past millennia, now if we would like to include the ROMAN aqueducts, then instead of the past millennia we would need to state that it is for the last 3 thousand years or more, the thing old enough to hold such practical memory is the government of each country and state, the fact that a country like USA does not have the means to prevent such forest fires doesn't seem like a normal thing, to me it seems more like a crime from where there is no coming back from, the poor ppl that are struggling just to make ends met, just to get to the next year, can't be blamed for this, this is clearly a duty of the most wealthy ppl. in the planet, this is clearly a duty of the country with perhaps the richest corporations in the planet, this is the responsibility of the power that can create weapons of mass destruction, it is the responsibility of the state that can have millions of soldiers with expensive gear, is is not the responsibility of the poor nor the homeless, the law should have clear approach to this, the human expertise has been misused, let not make the mistake of thinking that such calamities are normal or that they should happen, because they should not happen not at this age, not with all the tools that can be summoned in what seems like a flash.
oh look WSJ finally doin some quality reporting for a change ...
Just more gaslighting. They can't ignore the climate science completely, so they added a bit, but they didn't even mention the cause of actual climate change aka massive increase of CO2 in the atmosphere from burning of fossil fuels.
@Kent Horvath well ... not sure what standards you have set WSJ but to me this seems like improvement
oh tell me more about the "camp" fire
Have they tried sweeping the leaves in the forest 😂
In all the fires out west no trees were down
No No trees burnt down
Thats crazy
Because you dont rake the forest floor
Yep!
0:14 Seems to me like a lot of people… all over the world… need to start raking the forest floor. Nuff said.
We have a forest here in NC that is covered with dead trees and branches. But we get a so much rain we don't have to worry about it.
No. You need to stop producing CO2. Stop burning fossil fuels.
It's always happening, only change now is there are humans residing now.
Demonstrably false statement in every measure. A quick 5 second google search in the data would show that the average (doesn’t matter if it’s inhabited) have exponentially increased, the climate hotter and drier and increasing at a rate much faster than the “cyclical” changes.
@@albertabound5124 that's what I have said.
@@hemaraj3783 No. You said "It's always happening". False, the acreage burnt in recent years is unheard of. Unless I misunderstood your comment in some way?
Slow down factories then
So what you're saying is climate change is real, and human intervention, activity and encroachment is a big factor for this records? ✔️
Arguably its the lack thereof human intervention and activity
Prescribed burning and defensible space make the difference!
They don’t know nothing about Armageddon this is nothing compared to Armageddon.
Oooookay jesus, calm down there buddy
Religion is bs. There will be no "Armageddon".
shane koszczewski I think 🤔 you need to read more . God never lie
One solution for this is to use the fuel wood and extra for luggage from patches of the forest to be used to generate electricity instead of coal.
Proper forest management is required and fuel wood and Timber can be used more for the purpose of cooking. And those Nations having watch areas of land under forest cover can export this Biomass as mulching material and also fuelwood two countries which do not produce them
0:21 LOL it's not a fire - they're just celebrating the holiday of ivana kupala
Umm dry timber ,no rain, fire you get big fire's.
Poor Koala...
That was really sad seeing the koala in the fire. :/
I love that everyone in the comments is a forest fire expert
They’ve been copy-pasting this “forest-management”, “water management”, “climate always changes”(shows how they don’t understand what “rate” means), “sun is active”(it’s actually a weak solar cycle, not that it matters), “fires has been the same it’s just people moving in”(no, they have increased, regardless of inhabitants) etc etc; anything to avoid the topic of obvious climate change resulting in a longer than ever dry season, much hotter temperatures, and a feedback loop that doesn’t stop.
@@albertabound5124 Exactly.
They should build firewall
The biggest mistake people in 2020 make is assuming it will be over in 2021
The American and Australian governments and citizens lack a sense of responsibility. Their voices about environmental protection are the loudest, but their actions about environmental protection are the smallest.
Toooo frustrating 😤
"Forest Forest rage out of control"
.......uh, yeah
.....that's what fires do.
Long live 2020 worst year ever
There is footage of fire fighters adding fire to bush fires in California!
Jesus christ. Dont comment something your not educated on.
Yeah but how the fire started in the first place 😑
This is what you get when you don’t rake the forest
Forest management in California needs another assessment and update .
GEO-ENGINEERING
Fires do not like poor areas 🤨 watch corporate landlords build new development housing after the fires
Hahaha you watch the forests grow back and no developments, your an idiot.
People said the same in Australia, they were starting bush fires for a train corridor to be built.
Almost 10 months later most of our bush land has regrown, towns are rebuilding and guess what no train line was built.
Same will happen in America forests will grow back, towns will re build and you will be thinking back, remember when i thought greedy corporate elites started these fires to move people into cities or to build crazy developments.....
Brandi W you have obviously done no research to back up your claim.
Hallelujah
It only takes a minute to wipe out a century.... Wow
This is completely wrong, an increase of wildfires isn't a result of overgrowth.
These fires correlate with strict rule against cattle grazing. National monuments and stricter BLM rules have made grassland fuels which carry the fires from grassland to oak lands etc.
I have seen it first hand the fires around Indian valley reservoir ran so fast until they hit the ranchers property where the cattle had eaten the high grasses to stubble.
California hunted all their animals to extinction
Maybe is not the Scince of it snd instesd evrything else
At least in Saudi Arabia, we don't need to worry about fires
Yes, because all we have is a desert
There’s not enough CO2, (tree food), and trees are cutting back on photosynthesis, and dying back.
This drops more deadwood, and the fires are sending freed up carbon, back into the atmosphere.
Save CA
No, save Republicans
thin the forest...The trees are planted too close together. Policy told us" for every one tree we harvest we plant two in it's place"...The forest became so dense none of the trees are healthy. Thin and drag the diseased trees to chippers. All of their models are based on an ancient forests not tree plantations. Manage the forest.
Why us states and only countries 😑
(9/12/2023)Hawii now
We live in 21-st century people, this is time to build more drones, but not military drones, but firefighter
drones with a few thousands of gallons of water on board so you can
fight fires from the office, I'm serious, really, no kidding, it's worth
it, just put on bigger wings and engines. Drones also can get more quickly and more close to fire site, so they will more effective then humans. Kratos this is some work for
you, need any help?
People watching these wildfire videos in 3000 CE, be like 'why didnt they try to stop global warming back then, now we dont have trees'.
Yeah, wildfires are getting worse because you live in the area that doesn't get any rain
My area USED to get rain
Sad
Your data is out of date. "Half of California's most destructive wild fires have happened since 2015" is not accurate. In reality half of California's most destructive wildfires have happened in 2020 in terms of acreage burned.
No comment says climate engineering or geoengineering. Lookup you say those trails in the sky covering the blue sky have nothing to do with worst fires. It was predicted last January,also ozone gone. How bad will it get before December.
That explains why I saw liquid coming out of a plane earlier this year.
My step dad is a flight pilot, this explains why he is so richm
its getting hotter and dryer, what science?
Good question. These things get regurgitated so much they 'become true' without checking. The primary problem is the newly imposed lack of frequent fire, natives burned it off regularly and now we allow decades of fuel to build and this is the result. Many native tree species including redwoods cannot exist without fire, that should be informative.
People set em'
I grew up in fire country in N-central Washington State. This propaganda film is omitting or perhaps covering up the truth. It is overly simplistic and misidentifies the real cause: mismanagement. Yes, in my fathers era they put out fires quickly but they also groomed the forests, logged properly and did slash burning to reduce fuel load. These effective practices improved wildlife habitat, produced jobs and provided resources for a thriving economy. Sadly today we are ignorant of this historic fact and now lives are being lost through systematic incompetence. Before the arrival of the white man native Americans did much to reduce fuel load including burning the prairies preemptively to reduce fire risk.
How about the science of DEW... SEE DUTCHSINCE SEPTEMBER 8
If we had more dew in California, the fires here wouldn't have gotten so bad as the moisture would have helped prevent the fires from picking up speed.
water forests to prevent them from becoming fire wood
Where do you get the water? California already has massive water shortage problems as it is, I don't think that's going to work.
@@richardwilde1348 then use sea water. desalinize with advanced techonology
@@johnperic6860 advanced technology
@@auro1986 desalinizing salt water is an extremely expensive process.
@@jac4423 yes money is best invested if utilised for personal or family, if you have one, pleasures