30 Hp Evinrude. Fuel or Ignition Timing? THIS OLD OUTBOARD
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- It's This Old Outboard. Dino is Back! With his "Dirty 30" Evinrude. Picking up from the last time with a new Throttle Cable. Try and figure this thing out!
No Thermostat, Primer not Working. Hard to Tune a Cold Outboard !
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I love your channel. I have four outboard boats in Michigan (Port Huron). Two sailboats (30’ Columbia and a 20’ O’day). I just finished restoring a 1972 Starcraft 16’ like yours with a 1985 Johnson 25 Hp. That old Johnson really makes my Starcraft fly!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. No kidding, a 25 wow! Yeah I luv my Starcraft! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Dino knew to bring it back to the master! Glad to see that you are getting the dirty 30 running good.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Reminds me of that old 70 horse on the Bass boat I use to work on. It did not want to run according to the omc manual settings. IT wanted to run where IT wanted to run! Hahaha drove me crazy. Thanks again !
I changed the stator on my 1987 Johnson 50 hp and with the cam marker right between the marks it would not idle. I had to unhook the linkage and turn up the timing. I dont know what the idle timing should be but it was idling at 4 degrees retarded. I increased the timing to 4 degrees advanced. I was finally able to get the cam right between the marks. It runs good now. Thanks for the videos!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah I believe 3-4 degrees is right. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Ok. I put the 25 flywheel, camplate, and entire stator on a 30 block. Instead of having it just to the right of the 2 marks I'll try it at the left mark and see what happens.
It normally runs fine, BUT will throw a fit every few hours and not run evenly, pop once in a while while it's doing that.
Raining now, maybe later today, tomorrow.
Thanks for tuning in! Can't hurt to try!
I am glad we were able to get it running, and by "we" I mean mostly you.. haha 😂We will be back soon, we still have to get over to grills!!
me too
Thermostat. Cheap, easy, run better, save the block from damage.
When I started on outboards an ol' marine mechanic said if your piss stream isn't as hot as your kitchen sink hot water-it'll never run at 100% and damage the block over time.
Very informative video…was wondering if he’s going to take your advice and put a thermostat in it-
Thanks for tuning in! He needs to.
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 I wouldn’t help the motor one more screw turn without proper parts to make it right. Like you said, can’t dial in a cold running motor! Thanks for putting this out for us to witness. If you’re going to own something mechanical it needs parts and repairs, along with maintenance, if you’re not sure as to what it needs, bring it to someone who does otherwise don’t bother wasting everyone’s time.
I just got my 84 25hp Evinrude back into motion. Its on the original Duracraft it was sold with in 84. Im having trouble with the boat nose diving. Its a long shaft motor. Im thinking i need a jack plate to get the motor up a little higher. Also the boat doesnt have any weight up front. Its just 2 benches and thats it.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. I use to have an 84 25 Evinrude on a Duracraft also. I put a 35 hp carb on it that came on a parts motor I had and gained a solid 5 mph without swapping anything else, it was a match made in heaven, the boat would hydroplane, best 25 I've ever had! So they sold a long shaft outboard on a short shaft boat, that's weird. Yeah your dragging to much motor thats gonna slow you down, a jack plate would work or swap the long drive shaft with a short one and cut the shift shaft and water tube. I had to do that to mine, I did a lot of vids about it. For the nose diving just move the trim pin to different positions, run the boat in all the positions to find the best one. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 TY for the reply! I'll definitely be upgrading some parts under your video series! You're extremely knowledgeable and I'm thankful for you and your channel. Thanks again and I'm sure I'll be back. I subscribed also, a channel like yours is very important for all is who like to get our hands dirty and fix things!
You never know what's been done to a motor before . He should just leave it with you. Hard to diagnose something in a limited time. It's almost there, but me thinks you need to work it for a few more days or a few more beers.
Hahaha. Thanks for tuning in! Yeah, time is the problem.
Love it keep up the good work
Thanks again ! Give me a haller !
How’s the fuel pump? Needs thermostat to come up to temp!
Fuel pump seems fine but could be week and yes it should have a thermo. Thanks for tuning in!
Excellent
Thanks for tuning in!
First thank you, You are helping me big time sorting out my old outboard! Got a question... Can I do the 35hp upgrade on my '71 Evinrude 25hp? All I see for fitment for intake is '76+ Also, can I use my 25hp carb, maybe modify it, on the 35hp intake? Drill out main jet or something? Not sure if the carb is different in dimensions....Thanks!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. If I'm not mistaken the 71 25 has a 72d high speed jet/orifice. Which is probably bigger then what the 35 has. You should be able to swap the carbs or swap the jets like I'm doing on the 25 to 35, Beef it Up build. Be careful taking the jets out. Don't force them, if you break it your screwed. Check the schematic on the 35 and see what size jet it has. I don't know if there's much you can do with the 25, l never tried it or seen anyone do it. May be to old. Good luck & Thanks again !
My 1994 30hp evinrude was set about a 1/4in left of the marks when i got it. After rebuilding the power head I noticed that it wasn't centered so I centered it. Before I got a chance to run it I heard about the service bulletin so I moved it back.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in!
Hi I have a question to ask about outboard motor would a British seagull silver century be on on a 4person sea hawk I am using it for fishing many thanks I'm a huge fan of yours ii always watch every single video u do ur a great inspiration to me and made me realize even though I'm disabled I can still get out a fish which is helpful with my mental health issues
Hey Tim. Thanks for tuning in. Yes! Never Stop Fishing! Hahaha it's good for the soul. So I don't have much knowledge on the British seagulls, but they seem to be very popular. I'll take a guess and say its around 3-4 hp, and your putting it on a Inflatable 4 Person Boat. I think it will be great. But You may want to go with a Trolling motor. What it boils down to is carrying a fuel tank and a old gas motor or a battery and a electric motor. I use to have a 17 ft. Mohawk Canoe with a 40 lb trolling motor. I could go all day long with it and never drained out the battery. It was nice and quiet, didn't have to pull start it and it was quick too. Perfect on that canoe. So give the Seagull a shot, if you don't like it go the trolling motor route. You can get a good used trolling motor on craigslist, offerup or facebook marketplace. Or buy it new. And put your money into a good deep cycle marine battery. The Everlast marine batteries from walmart are good and not to expensive, although everything is up right now, get the big one if it's in your budget! So that's my 2 cents. Hahaha. Thanks again for hanging in there with me I really appreciate it!
You the man
Hey man. Was just thinking about you guys a little while ago. Thanks for tuning in!
If he keeps running that thing without a thermostat his rings are going to stick (which may be one reason it's not running as it should now). Regardless, the stuck rings will quickly cause scored cylinder wall(s), and then the motor will need a rebore and oversize piston(s). But I'm sure nobody will believe that either........... It should run at about 140 degrees (F) at the thermostat cover.
Hey. Yes. Hope he reads your comment ! Thanks again !
Ol' marine mechanic told me if the piss stream isn't as hot as your sink hot water-fix it.
@@Ray56z I'm an old marine mechanic who contends he needs a thermostat. But, it's his motor to do with as he pleases............
There are reasons the engineers design the motors the way they do. Problem is, weekend warriors tend thin they know better. Thanks for your input and knowledge.
@@blackmouthcur6097 Thanks.
Hey this old outboard! Love all your videos! I'm 15 minutes away from you and have a 86' 6h.p. short shaft that I need help with if you're interested? By the way, I'm the guy that drove by your dock in the green skiff yelling " this old outboard " a few years ago lol.
Hey. Yes I remember. Has it been that long? I think you were in my video too. I'm backed up right now, but if your in no hurry check back with me in a few weeks. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1
You got it buddy, can't wait for the next video!
Dino do you have a video about the service bulletin on the 30hp and how to adjust it 1/4 to 1/2 back?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Dino is a friend of mine, anyway the service bulletin was for the year 1990 30hp Johnson I had. If you go to my channel you should find a couple of videos I did with the 90 30hp Service Bulletin. You just want to adjust it so the roller move up on the throttle cam not backwards. And thats done with the idle speed adjustment screw on the linkage. The service bulletin didn't apply to Dino's 80's model 30 horse, but we tried it and it seemed to help. Thanks again !
Yea I have a 1995 30 hp and it is doing it. Who’s channel do I go to to see it?
Have a 1980 35hp that if you set it to between the marks the throttle butterfly is nearly closed. Adjusted for butterfly to open at full throttle and it hits 1/2 " right of marks. This confirmes my thoughts. Can you post the bulletin info?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. The motor should really idle without touching the throttle cam, with the butterfly closed. But sometimes that's not always the case. May be due to slow speed idle circuit not being super clean, worn parts, wrong parts... Anyway some of these old outboards just want to run where they want to run regardless of what the service manual says but having a manual is a good place to start. The cam follower/roller position at full throttle has nothing to do with anything at this point. Once you hit past mid throttle the roller loses contact with the throttle cam as the throttle control arm takes over to open the butterfly to full throttle. The roller stays stationary until you bring the throttle handle back down. It does nothing until you bring the throttle back down and the control arm retracts then the roller takes over and controls the butterfly position back down to idle. The 2 marks on the cam are there for the slow speed timing of the motor. The butterfly needs to open just as the roller is between the 2 marks and you are done! No more need to worry where the marks or roller are at. Now, in Dino's case his motor did not want to run by setting it this way but did want to run by setting it farther up on the cam. He said he cleaned the carb. Anyway thats where the subject of the service bulletin came up. The bulletin was for my 1990 30hp, wasn't meant for 80's models. It's all about the timing, nothing to do with anything else. Your more then welcome to go watch my video about it. Anyway, this was where I suspected parts may have been swapped over the years or something similar to that or that his carb wasn't as clean as he thought. It happens all the time. Nevertheless the motor ran that day where it wanted run. He continued to have problems with it off and on. Constantly trying to dial it in. I would suggest you stay by the book as much as you can. Get an OMC service manual specific to your year/model. Try ebay usually around $30. Make sure that carb is surgically clean! Check out my carb cleaning video if need be. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 I found out motor wasnt in gear getting wide open throttle to set the throttle plate. I set it wot, in gear and it dropped the roller right in between the marks. Runs good now.
@@hawkofthenorth4829 Sweet!
Love these videos! I've got this same motor and lost power in the forward gear and it's spitting gear oil now as well. We dropped the lower unit but not seeing anything obvious. Also I can turn the prop when it's forward or reverse unfortunately. Any thoughts?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. I'm a little lost on your comment. Could it be unburned 2 stroke oil and not gear oil. You said, "Also I can turn the prop when it's forward or reverse unfortunately. You mean it's not engaging in gear? Is this an outboard you just got or something that just happened on one you've had? LMK Thanks !
Just happened on the one I own. We got out on the water then lost all ability to go forward even though the motor was running just fine.
It does seem like an issue with engaging the gears. When the motor is off and engaged in forward or reverse, I can turn the prop by hand. I thought that should hold tight when in gear.
@@brand0nmiller21 Yes it should hold firm and if you turn it hard enough the flywheel should turn while in gear too. When in gear spin the prop and if the prop shaft turns then the gear case is messed up, if the prop just spins and the shaft doesn't, then the prop hub is spun and you'll need a new prop. If the gears are bad its a real pain tearing those gear cases apart and can be very expensive. I found it best to just find a good used one, ebay is a good place to look. But double check all the shift linkage first.
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 had a feeling that was the case but we'll dig around a little more before going with a replacement.
Fuel filter or fuel lines/pickup or both. I was wrong.
I was having a similar idle issue on my newly acquired yamaha 90tlra and it ended up being an oil injection line was rubbing against the governor linkage so the butterflys wouldn't close all the way. It took me days to realize that problem
Hey. Thanks for tuning in.
I know what you mean!
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 I went out on the chain o lakes today. Launched at the state park, hooked around blarney Island and took a channel into Lake Marie. There's a big loop you can do up on the north end of the chain and it's very scenic....we were taking my mother on a nice boat ride today. As soon as I throttled it up I heard a banging so I killed it and pulled the cover off the outboard (yamaha 90tlra) I'm sure it was my fault but the key sheared in half on the flywheel, yamaha calls it the stator assembly. So I got that figured out and got it running again and the flywheel spun and the engine died. Went to take it off again and it was tight on the shaft. Gave it a yank and in the water it went lol. Muddy murky bottom, it's only 5 feet but people die getting stuck in there. I let it go didn't jump in. $780 for a new one on boats website but I got one on the way already for $80 off ebay with the same part number. Hope it works out. Thank God for good friends, my buddy happened to be out with his family and towed me literally into the dock at the launch. I never touched an oar.
Just thought my day might give you a good laugh. I know better than to take the nut off before the flywheel is loose. I don't know why I did it, it just one of those things. I'll be out there again by Saturday.....qualified
@@michaelosmon Wow. thank goodness for ebay!
Hello sir I have a question,at 11:21 water is flowing out the exhaust ports,what would it mean if water wasn’t flowing out,I have a 1986 15hp evinrude new impeller pees like a bull,but no water from the exhaust exit ?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. The water should come out as soon as the motor reaches operating temperature and the thermostat opens. That way you know the thermostat is working. I remember on an older 15 the faster I went the less water would come out. Found out later from an old OMC mechanic that it was normal on those old outboards. Take your thermostat out and test it or replace it, also once it's out fire up the motor and let the water flow out for a minute just to check the water passageways are not clogged. Thanks again & Stay tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 Thanks a lot appreciate it.
I have a ? Will a 1997 vro60 johnson fit in place of my 1988 johnson 40? Any differances in cables and controls?
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! I believe it will, my 92 60 uses the same control/cables as the 87 40 I had. Best to check each model on marineengine.com and see if they use the same cables. That way you'll be sure. Thanks again !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 ok Thank you alott
Love your educational videos as always! Sorry I must ask a random QUESTION: I have a electric setup Evinrude 35hp motor with the potential to install a electric primer solenoid on it, the problem is that my current carb does not come with the fitting on top to receive small fuel line coming from primer solenoid, however, I have two other receiving ports--one on the side of the head near main fuel pump, and the other on the block below the carburetor. Could I still run the electric primer solenoid to those two ports (squirting gas straight into the engine chamber instead of through the carburetor top? Im hoping this is possible so I can avoid buying a new carb. Please advise and thank you very much in advance!
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Yes Dino's motor was set up that way and I've done it before but with using only the port on the intake manifold. The port on the block below the carb at the very bottom of the block should be for the oiling line going up to the connection under the flywheel to oil the top crank shaft bearing. I don't want you to get that mixed up with the intake port. If need be, go to marineengine.com and look up your year/model and check the schematic. Thanks again & Stay Tuned !
@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 Okay thanks a lot schematics are always a good way to verify before blowing up haha
Hope you’re doing well. Do you have videos of testing power packs on 25hp Johnnyrudes ? Having difficulties with a 96 evinrude 25. I would swap it out but it’s a 5 pin and I only have older 4 pin models.
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. No I sure don't. Sorry.
Sounds kind of like it's got a knock but maybe that just the video?
Yeah It does sound like that more in the video. Crazy! Thanks for tuning in!
Is it hit or miss on having to make that adjustment?Reason I ask is when I converted my 1985 20hp to 30hp by carb. and intake swap it dialed right in and roller is set up between two marks.Just wonder what makes the difference.?
Hey. It's hard to say. Your 85 20, I just picked a basic model, His 84 30 and my 93 30 all use the same cam part number. BUT, there's that big but! My 30 gives 3 separate part numbers for the 20, 25, & 30 and all say "only". When I compared my black 30hp cam to my white 89, 25 tracker cam and lined up the bolt holes, 2 different part numbers, the black 30 cam marks were slightly advanced compared to the white 25 cam. In the video, I said, we set the cam almost back to where it was when he first got it, which would've been around fast start position, after watching the video, it really wasn't that far. If you look at the video from the scene I used for the thumbnail you can see where it was actually set. I hope this makes sense! Hahaha. For some reason I thought it was set much higher. BUT. There's that big but again! Taking into consideration we only had a few hour to figure this thing out when it usually takes a few days and the damn thing running cold as a cucumber with no thermostat, and trying to beat the rain/lightning. It's just hard to say. Anyway, I just took a shot at it and that's just where the damn thing wanted to run! Hahaha. He really needs to put a thermostat in it and a couple other things need done too. At least he's back on the water for now! Thanks again !
Make sure you don't have a newer gas tank because it will not be able to pull gas
Hey. Thanks for tuning in! Yeah big pain in the azz! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
Ol boy at OM Fishing is where I seen on how to to adjust the cam follower and the cam roller or some shit like that. The bulletin in it was for a low idle cough or sneeze again some shit. Which I went 1/4 past the marks and that is when my roller starts to lift, but it still has a chronic weed cough but at the same time I noticed that off my fuel pump a line drops outta it to a plastic 90 with a barb and a 5/32 fuel line off of it. But at that junction of the 90 is always wet and when I lay in2 the primer bulb it douches out a lil bit of fuel. Do you think that could be contributing to my high idle cough? Any help is appreciated cause imma bout ready to deep six this motherfucker. Along w/ my fucking 2013 Etec Evinrude 25 hp (I bought new)with its violent shake at an idle and won't even come close to comin to plane out if you can even get the cocksucker to take off. It's not fuel, filter, plugs which you got to buy a fuckin bakers dozen 2 get a couple to fuckin index correctly. And my cheap ass can't afford to pay the dealer which is 80 miles away cause our river town ain't shit and got a camper dealer that will fuck yo shit up worse than draining ur lower unit and doing a full day of time trials / no smokes. I really don't no shit from Apple butter about timing and thus newer computer bullshit. Fuck I feel a shit ton better after spewing all these good times I'm having. Thanks
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Yes, I remember him doing a video right after I did mine. The service bulletin was told to me by a very well known OMC mechanic. It was for my 1990 30hp Johnson. It was a quarter to a half inch on the setting. Not sure what all years/models it pertained to though, so it may not work for your year/model. If your not sure then I would start fresh at factory settings. A sneeze or cough is usually caused by a lean condition at the slow speed carb needle setting, not from the cam follower and timing, although what may seem like a fuel issue can be ignition and vice versa. Hard to say without hearing it run. A too rich setting and the motor will want to cough and die. Yeah I hate those P.O.S. fuel line connectors. I don't think it is affecting the idle, they just like to leak. You may want to think about picking up a couple of manuals specific to your years/models. It sure makes things easier and will save you a lot of time, they have a great troubleshooting section too. Try ebay for good used ones. Thanks again for tuning in and I'm glad your feeling better!
I have a johnson 25 that runs good but sometimes when I hit the throttle it does nothing. Run the throttle back to idle hit it again nothing. Have to move throttle wide open and back to idle a few times then all of a sudden it revs fine. Very intermittent. Can't figure it out!
Did you get it figured out.
Mine has the same problem
Thanks.
@@timbiffis6306 sorry I haven't had a chance to mess with it again yet. It doesn't make sense to me what it's doing. It runs fine most of the time just every now and then it won't take the gas I have to work the throttle back and forth and eventually it will just go and be fine again. Hope to get time to play with it again soon tho.
@@owensbama1923 it is strange.
If you resolve the problem let me know and I'll do the same. I have a carb kit and fuel pump ordered.
Take care
@@timbiffis6306 I certainly will and thanks
@@owensbama1923 I installed new coils today and the motor runs and idles perfectly now.
Acceleration is on point.
Not sure if it's your issue, but you never know.
Hope you get yours figured out also
The sayings Dino is commenting in this video is what’s wrong with people who don’t take the time to know what’s expected, this is across the board, whether it be maintenance and repairs on your outboard or boating ETIQUETTE, there’s a reason for it all, it’s starts with SAFETY. You have to consider when running a boat that’s running correctly that you can cause a huge issue, even near the launch, where you can affect lives of others or your own. Yes, it’s a thermostat today, yesterday was a throttle cable, regardless of what it is, treat it as if your life depends on it, because your motor could and usually does break at the most unreasonable time that can cause catastrophe. I hate being around people that want to wing it or that’s good enough, bc usually somewhere down the line, it’ll affect me or you in some way, wasting time because someone else’s BS of “GOOD ENOUGH!”
Hey. Thanks for tuning in. Yeah he's young. He'll learn. Like we all did! Thanks again & Stay tuned !
For the love of God people put your outboards in a water filled garbage can when testing. Then you can test idle under load in gear & verify the water pump is good.
I did. Thanks for tuning in.
@@jimmyhoffa7935 correct, there's no load in a barrel that I've ever seen. I've probably had 7-8 people in the last month alone ask me why their outboard runs great in the tank but not on the water. I tell them all the same thing, could be a dozen different reasons why and recommend they get a manual specific to their year/model and look at the troubleshooting section rather then spend hours online with videos and those stupid boat forums, I've really come to hate those forums, everybody has an opinion but nobody ever has the answer. What works for one person may not work for another, big waste of time. We put the motor in the barrel for two reasons, one, the motor wasn't getting any water to the powerhead and two, I hate those frikkin things with a passion! They're Junk, all they do is flood the place! Why we ever put them on I have no idea. Thanks for tuning in!
@@jimmyhoffa7935 you stupid fuck. You can idle in gear & Rev it up in gear, water muffs are for flushing at best.
Tanks are better than damn 'muffs', but not like in the actual water.
And a fool can burn an outboard up with a tank if they don't keep an eye on the tank temp.
Friend had a 'race car motor builder' that supposedly could fix any motor. Ran that 4-cycle so long in the barrel you could of used it for hard boiled eggs.
Weak fule pump diafram
Thanks for tuning in! Anythings possible !
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@@THISOLDOUTBOARD1 technically I just put on TH-cam and didn’t have to use my radio transmitter but I did build a vintage tube transmitter from a ww2 design with 2 Mercury 811 rectifiers putting out 1200volts I built a cage for it and rack it’s pretty cool look up Mercury rectifiers they look awesome and produce some radiation lol 😆
@@jimcatanzaro7808 Hahaha U Crazy!
Hey T.O.O. I think you need a shim on the starter for that noise. It to close to flywheel like the old gm starters. maybe.0001 shim
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Thanks for tuning in! I'll let him know!