Highly doubt it, considering they made a long-barreled revolver weapon. Sure, it’a magic and all that stuff, but considering she mentioned it has physical recoil, either it has a sealing system or it should hurt like hell everytime she fires
Hoyoverse is known for doing their homework for regional names, accurate architecture, and local music and customs. It's not surprising that they would research weapons.
Or they are simply good at picking references and perhaps picking advisors to help design their game. Though I am not sure if anyone in Hoyoverse dev team is an avid gun historian as there is some flaw as mentioned by previous replies here.
Crossbows typically do have longer range than traditional bows, if only because the mechanical energy of the fire is more powerful than a conventional bow string
Its a dps thing. Wanna shot fast or slow but does better damage... Generally speaking archers are specialized unit. They often already had training since age 5. England place importance on archery soo much. They ban other activity such as football. They pass a law in 1252 that requires every englishmen aged 15 to 60 to practice archery every week for at least 5 hours.
The ones used in combat historically weren't like this unless we're counting something like an arbalest. Which.. is quite extreme and not what mika is using. Crossbows have incredible draw weight but very short draw length (~1/2 that of bows). The short limbs give it a low draw force curve, and crossbow bolts are shorter and thicker so also less aerodynamic than an arrow. So the energy at release of a 300lb draw crossbow is ~ the same as a 70-80lb bow. Modern crossbows can avoid all these problems with better materials and longer limbs. Anyways it's all wrong 1/10 deleting my genshin account RIP my newly pulled navia.
It’s a shame, I wished Chevy leveling her rifle at neutral NPCs made them cower like the other characters do. Her commanding “STOP RIGHT THERE” would indeed make people flinch 😅
her characater description says "her musket shall only ever point at the guilty" so maybe they just know she wouldnt be aiming at them. or the devs are lazy and forgot to make NPCs flinch
Nice video, but if you look closely you can see that Chevreuse's musket actually has a cylinder, like a revolver. This implies multishot functionality, which wouldn't exactly make it a musket.
@@arcturus4762 It's not that far of a stretch for her rifle to have something like that. Rifles with revolving cylinders did exist in real-world history after all
True, but the distinctive hammer on her gun clearly marks it as a flintlock. Closest equivalent I can think of would be the puckle gun, which never had a hand held version. But as they say, "Teyvat has its own laws". Just a weird aesthetic design to have when its clearly only able to fire once I just wish they wouldnt call every gun a musket, even the pistols.
Chevreuse's design is incredible. I would have loved if she was more a sword user though since (if I'm not mistaken) rapiers were more popular as a sidearm. (also there's an overabundance of polearm users in Genshin)
Historically, muskets had a blade at the tip (called a bayonet) so soldiers can stab people with it in melee range. In that sense, the bayonet is a lot more like a spear, since it has a long body made out of wood, and sharp iron tip to stab.
@@Aliens1337bayonet was invented due to warfare changes. Previously musketeer often accompanied by pikemen. Should enemy cavalry gets to close. The musketeer will retreat into pike squares. This changes after series of military reforms and drill that made pikes obselete. Hence the bayonet. Early bayonet is just a dagger with attachment plug to the barrel. Making it a makeshift spear. The downside is that they are hard to remove. Making the musket unusable for the rest of the battle.
anytime a character uses a polearm i attribute it to a sacrificial spear not existing. well that might not be the reason but i like to that that it might be.
Crossbows indeed fire longer ranges than bows. Hence why they were used heavily when they came about they were also easier to train people quicker to use and were particularly devastating to armored combatants
They didn't fire farther than every bow, but only a very small percentage of soldiers in very specific armies (english longbowmen, mongol warbow archers) could use bows that surpassed your average crossbow's range.
Muskets do not have shorter range than bows. They are only less accurate (usually, although there are some rifled muskets that are probably more accurate than a bow), so the usable range is shorter. Higher velocity=longer range, so in general musket>>crossbow>bow.
@@EdgeLieAlso wind direction can effect the range. In battle of towton during the war of the roses. The lancastrian longbowmen abandoned the advantageous high ground due to them shooting volley against the wind. They had to because the yorkist longbowmen cause serious havoc in lancastrian lines.
@@EdgeLie Doesn't matter if they are better on 1vs1. In real battle, it doesn't matter much The archers have to be trained from childhood and can be easily killed Guns and crossbows are better because you can be trained in basics in just a couple of months. And with advances in technology,production, etc make them more reliable and powerful. That means losses can be easily replaced, and you can have even more active soldiers
@@Lislio The cost and time it took to train bowmen was probably the most important factor, though. That's also why every military force used spears and other polearms for common soldiers. The pointy stick is just the easiest weapon to teach to conscripts.
@@patefreeman1106 i dunno man, her musket is either a revolving musket (meaning firerarms either exist for a while in genshin world, or they just jumped right into revolvers) or a wheellock, but even if i didn't knew what a gun was, a person just pointing a long piece of iron at me, with a hole where the only function you can imagine is blowing your head off, i'd be scared
Maybe they should add firearms to the weapon list. Just like Catalyst the normal attack's projectiles would be infused with the character's element - or directly made out of it and we would be able to aim as charged attack, like with the bow. A new weapon that possesses the properties of both rubber and gum... um, no... of both catalyst and bow. Now, that would be fun.
Unfortunately, one of major design flaws of Genshin is having their characters bound by weapon typing, and the said weapons are bound by gacha mechanics... If not for this, Chevreuse would probably be a full time gunner
literally the concept of a crossbow existance is to be stronger than a bow, but the down side is its downtime, it takes long to reload and on the older ones, it takes also a lot of strenght
Yeah but you could turn that into an advantage tho. You could hire or train assistant gunners to load the weapon for you. You and the assistant could bring multiple crossbows. Have one be the marksman and the other the loader since that is an advantage to having a pre-charged weapon. As for a "lot of strength", it really depends on the draw weight of the crossbow of course. The one advantage to the crossbow is the ability to implement simple machines that would leverage better power making it possible to draw heavier weights and generate bigger force. Like, if I take a small dinky shortbow and turn that into a crossbow, I doubt I'll be more tired than the bowman who's using the same bow size.
In the splash screen for the Muskets and Roses event, Chevy's musket appears to be a hammer fired, cylinder fed carbine length rifle that lacks a ramrod. In the event, while pointing to and explaining the pair of flintlock pistols to Ayaka (which are also called muskets), Chevy also mentions maintenance and firing pins, which is odd as muskets don't have firing pins. But perhaps in Teyvat terminology is a bit different to the real world's
Granted they may have internal magazines, which makes me question why would Fontainians use muskets when they have the tech to make revolvers. It also makes me question why would Snezhnayans rarely ever use guns.
I'm pretty sure crossbows do fire further than bows, but due to their faster speed and straight trajectory its harder to hit targets from far distances. Where the bow slower speed gives you much more control of the arc.
0:44 theyre not scared because that smooth bore musket would realistically have a 25% chance of hitting them at a distance of 5 meters but if it did, the .60 caliber ball of lead would probably end them before they could feel any pain. Would take getting shot by the musket over eating 300 grains of buckshot to the face from Navia or having a barbed crossbow bolt through my chest from Mika.
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i hope you are kidding and you are fully aware a smoothbore musket would blow the shit off of your head at over 100 yards (91 meters)
25% chance of hitting someone at a distance of 5 meters? Where have you heard this? Civil war era smooth bore muskets have about a 42-48% chance of hitting someone at 200 YARDS, idk who told you 25% at 5 , meters but you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, it would only be that inaccurate if you were using rounds balls much smaller than the diameter of the barrel, so you'd literally have to be using the wrong ammo, I've shot smooth bore muskets and have hunted with rifled ones, ive also owned rifled muskets and they've been extremely accurate, you're thinking of a short barrel black powdered deringer or like a pepper box, then it probably wouldn't hit anything over 5 meters, but the average smooth bore musket around the time of the civil war has been documented to hit Targets accurately at beyond 100yards an still lethal to around 175-200 yards, infact when they would train civil war soldiers to shoot targets at 20-50 yards and even then they were as accurate as the person was skilled. Also they did use rifles muskets at could reliably hit targets at 400-500 yards but they mostly used smooth bores because the smooth bores were already accurate enough considering most of the time the enemy would be close to you.
The weird part is that Chev's rifle looks like it's supposed to be revolver-style, probably with a lever action cycle given the elongated trigger guard (which extends to where her pinky is).
would be cool if we can see her reloading the musket, using the paper catridges and biting it open, Musket will always be my favorite weapon that was used during the napoleonic wars
They are not scared because Muskets are well not known that much Or probably a Bug. Since its historically accruate, i wonder if 4 Chevreuses dping volley firing is a good tactic in coop. Can you also imagine if you actually see her reloading accurately during the 15 sec cooldown if she is idle
@@angrywhale3545ah yes, my favorite America-inspired fictional country, Mondstadt. Which of course means Moon City in German, the language that originated in Texas, USA.
smooth bore civil war era muskets were accurate beyond 100 yards, with an accuracy of around 50% chance of hitting a small target at 200 yards. And rifled muskets were also used in the civil were and were documented to be able to reliably hit a man at up to 500 yards were as bows made to go far can only reliably hit a target at up to 400 yards, an the average bow and arrow only goes 50-70 meters and long bows about 90 meters,so yes some bows can be more accurate at long range than smooth bore muskets if your really skilled at usingna bow but rifled muskets can absolutely have more range. Bows are probably more accurate at close range though, except rifled muskuts would absolutely be more accurate overall.
I find it funny that gameplay wise her gun has similar real-worldish reload time while in the Musket and Rose event her gun acts as a bolt action sniper rifle
Fun fact we often see archer as agility and thin people but you had to be a pack of muscle to pull that string hard and long enough to aim and shoot, fighting for a big ammount of time
So on bow vs crossbow vs musket, it's a sizeable can of worms to investigate, but where's what I've found: · Bows are cheap to make and while light ones are useable by anyone, anything worthy of military warfare (longbows specialy), they require lots of training (english longbowmen spent their entire lives training!) · Crossbows are amazing, as they're easier to use than a bow, and allow for almost anyone to use heavier draw weights without as much training · Firearms are akin to a further evolution of the crossbow. Their main advantage is that they outrange everything else, at the sacrifice of accuracy, but when you have a hundred men, accuracy isn't as important as being the one dealing the first blow. This means that firearms were more of a military campaign thing than personal, which is why they're hard to represent in most videogames. As for Chevreuse, to make her musket more realistic they could extend the range and add inaccuracy, but that's represented by the shortened range, which is a fair representation. If you had to play with musket inaccuracy it'd just be unreliable and frustrating!
Yes, muskets don't have that much range due to the ballistics of the time really didn't allow for higher muzzle velocity. Muskets with a 3/4 inch (19.05 mm) diameter travel at 1425 fps (feet per second) or 434 m/s (meters per second), with different diameters having nearly identical muzzle velocity. It's in the Elemental Skill's name (Short-Range). As small arms development continued, so did muzzle velocity. Smokeless powder (especially after 1886 with the French Lebel rifle) are now capable of 1000 m/s (4000 fps), allowing for long range shots at the time. Nowadays, projectiles like the 5.56 NATO are as fast as 3130 fps , while precision rifles like the CheyTac Intervention chambered for the 408 Cheyenne fire as fast as 3500 fps (1100 m/s).
That musket has Aim Bot. You don't need to be in the center of the crosshairs to shoot accurately, you just need to place your target inside the large reticle and the bullet will go straight to the enemy no matter how bad your aim is.
Yes and no It really depends on the kind of musket and in what period they were created. The early or later versions. Expensive or military or cheap versions. Also I noticed that her muske had a cylinder... ...Yeah...this is a bad design. There is a reason revolver, cylinder rifles weren't a thing The expelled pressure hits your wrist of the other hand. The revolver works because you put your hand behind the cylinder
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"there's a reason revolver cylinder rifles weren't a thing" *laughs in cattleman's carbine*
@ And where they are now? They weren't a thing and were left behind because they had major flaws. Like getting hit in the wrist when arming it like a rifle, which is the whole point of that design. Just because someone produced a hundred guns of their design, doesn't mean that gun was good orsuccessful. Because they would just end up on a wall or museum while the one making will go bankrupt. There are many guns like that.
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@@XMitrilXPLyes, but that doesnt mean they just never existed also aiming rifles like they're an oversized handgun is objectivelly the best way to do it. and if you disagree you're just incorrect
Actually revolving black powder rifles were used in the civil war an you can still buy firing reproductions to this day, also the cylinder isn't the biggest problem, the real danger is black powder revolvers since there creation have been known to chain fire, where you fire the gun and a spark from the chamber sets off another chamber next to it, so the bullet fires out of the chamber and has a good chance of hitting your hand, since its just coming of the cylinder and not the barrel it wont have as much energy but it could still blow part of your hand off. Thats why they would smear greese or like pig fat over every cylinder hole to prevent chain fire.
This is just outright wrong. Bows could be effective out to about 100 yards. Muskets like those used in the Napoleonic era also had an effective range of about 100 yards. What differs is that the musket's maximum range is much, _much_ higher. A bow may be able to launch an arrow 400 to 500 yards on a good day. A musket can reach over a thousand, easy. However, Chevreuse uses some fancy revolver thing, which is most likely a percussion cap rifle and not a musket, so her effective range should be absolutely humongous. A similar revolving rifle made in 1893 had sight marks all the way out to 900 yards. It would absolutely be able to shoot further than that, 900 yards is just the furthest the designers thought anyone would be able to actually hit a person.
As I wanted to c6 Sara for my c2 Raiden I just got repeatedly Chevreuse until she was c6 and I thought huh why not trying her c6 seems good tho. Actually it is cracked.
Alright, let's talk realism. The effective range (not the maximum range) of a medieval recurve war bow (not a longbow) can be anywhere between 20m for low draw weight to anything up to 150m or beyond for the heaviest of draw weights (but you need to have an herculean physique to be able to fire one of those). The effective range of a 16th-19th century musket was around 100m. Looking at the arms and torso of the girl on the left, it would be difficult to believe that she would be able to draw anything over a 30lb draw weight recurve. 30lb it's on the upper end of what is recommended for a beginner archer, aka someone with poor upper body musculature. The mechanical marvel that were medieval crossbows, on the other hand, could very easily pierce mail armor at an effective range of 100m, with an estimated maximum range of about 350m (but good luck hitting anything at that distance). The "historically, muskets have shorter range than bows" statement is simply not true because the range of a bow depends on the design of the bow, the strength of the user and the weight of the draw. Longbows and heavy recurves have longer range than muskets, but those are nowhere near what the girl on the left could possibly use.
It's a pop history misconception, to be honest. Muskets have a lot longer range and are more accurate than bows. In theory your bow can be more mechanically accurate but unless you precisely know how far the target is you'll miss far more easily from long ranges than with a musket. It was even noted by Koreans during the Imjin War. Archery just has so much mythology attached to it by various sources so it's hard to separate that from reality. English is also one of the only archery cultures which kept pushing back against adopting firearms. Even in the early 19th century they kept romanticising the longbow (technically they still do, just pretend their insanity only applies to "old guns"), Duke of Wellignton famously thought archery as superior. At the same time Napoleon's forces had a ridiculously easy time when their infantry with muskets faced off against Tatar horse archers. Of course this is a fantasy game so pop history knowledge is fine. Balancing things is also important. I just don't want people to replace one myth with another.
A musket doesn't have a shorter range than a bow. A musketball has a far longer range and many primary sources show that people of the time knew that. Also a musket is point accurate to roughly 100 yards, but volley fire could be done at far longer ranges. The brown bess musket had a velocity of 1500-1700 fps when recordeed historically. It had a the point accurate range of 100 yards while it had an area target range of 300 yards, but the lethal range of the musketball was about 1200 yards. Also reports at the time stated a musketball could penetrate 2 people at 150 yards. Bows were used as volley weapons just like muskets and a longbow had a maximum lethal range of 300 yards, but they only shot for point accuracy at 50 yards. Many people also tend to forget that line soldiers back then were not trained in actual marksmanship, only drill. Even rifled muskets werent significantly more effective during the civil war because soldiers had no marksmanship training. Poor accuracy of Union soldiers was one of the reasons the NRA was founded.
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Did you pull for Chevreuse?
still waiting for the banner to drop on eu 😭
and raiden but i only got bennett cons😭
Without a thought. She's pretty cracked and I love her kit.
I thought I was getting Raiden but I got Mona... I wanna die so ba-
Nah, skipping - overload is terrible, and they'll most likely give her away for free as a flagship event reward closer to Natlan's release.
Chevreuse: drop your weapon!
Marjorie: come take a look😍
"don't make me shoot"
"bet"
Lol
Marjorie: You're gonna find out 😎
Take the shot Chevreuse! She’s a nightmare when playing against her in TCG.
@@uggranpops8442
"put your hands in the air!"
"cap"
Maybe the dev who designed her combat is a historical firerams enthusiast. Or this is just a coincidence
Highly doubt it, considering they made a long-barreled revolver weapon. Sure, it’a magic and all that stuff, but considering she mentioned it has physical recoil, either it has a sealing system or it should hurt like hell everytime she fires
Hoyoverse is known for doing their homework for regional names, accurate architecture, and local music and customs. It's not surprising that they would research weapons.
Or they are simply good at picking references and perhaps picking advisors to help design their game. Though I am not sure if anyone in Hoyoverse dev team is an avid gun historian as there is some flaw as mentioned by previous replies here.
@@arcturus4762 Revolver rifles exist though
@@arcturus4762 Rifles with revolving cylinders did exist in real-world history you know
Crossbows typically do have longer range than traditional bows, if only because the mechanical energy of the fire is more powerful than a conventional bow string
yeah, what you said applies for arbalests/conventional crossbows. Not that Pew-Pew thing Mika uses
Its a dps thing. Wanna shot fast or slow but does better damage...
Generally speaking archers are specialized unit. They often already had training since age 5. England place importance on archery soo much. They ban other activity such as football. They pass a law in 1252 that requires every englishmen aged 15 to 60 to practice archery every week for at least 5 hours.
The ones used in combat historically weren't like this unless we're counting something like an arbalest. Which.. is quite extreme and not what mika is using.
Crossbows have incredible draw weight but very short draw length (~1/2 that of bows). The short limbs give it a low draw force curve, and crossbow bolts are shorter and thicker so also less aerodynamic than an arrow. So the energy at release of a 300lb draw crossbow is ~ the same as a 70-80lb bow.
Modern crossbows can avoid all these problems with better materials and longer limbs.
Anyways it's all wrong 1/10 deleting my genshin account RIP my newly pulled navia.
@@quirkyusername1093 pew-pew thing... you mean a hand crossbow? Kugelschnepper, perhaps, or balestrino? Calling it such is kinda meh of you.
@13-bit-kitten How condescending of you ❤️
00:48 "see for yourself": *f*ck around and find out.*
It’s a shame, I wished Chevy leveling her rifle at neutral NPCs made them cower like the other characters do. Her commanding “STOP RIGHT THERE” would indeed make people flinch 😅
her characater description says "her musket shall only ever point at the guilty" so maybe they just know she wouldnt be aiming at them.
or the devs are lazy and forgot to make NPCs flinch
they probz dont know what a gun is
But how did they flinch against Navia?
@@awesome2.0cuzilostmymain16you can stab people with a regular umbrella.
@@aoiyuuter ok makes sense
But she’s so adorable in her little uniform, with her little hat and her little boots, people probably just want to give her a pat on the noggin.
Chevreuse knows how to fire three rounds a minute in any weather.
That's soldiering.
Lol someone is a fan of "sharpe" series.😂😂😂
@@aetius7139”Bite, pour, spit, tap, aim.”
@@aetius7139 No fan of Sharpe would use a good sharpe reference on a FRENCHIE
I jest
"DROP UR WEAPON!!"
Marjorie:"come take a look"
Nice video, but if you look closely you can see that Chevreuse's musket actually has a cylinder, like a revolver. This implies multishot functionality, which wouldn't exactly make it a musket.
Maybe it's a fantasy interpretation of a wheel-lock? That would fit her three-musketeers theme.
This also means it would blow your wrist off unless it has a seal function like a Nagant revolver
@@arcturus4762 It's not that far of a stretch for her rifle to have something like that. Rifles with revolving cylinders did exist in real-world history after all
1858 Carbine:
True, but the distinctive hammer on her gun clearly marks it as a flintlock. Closest equivalent I can think of would be the puckle gun, which never had a hand held version. But as they say, "Teyvat has its own laws". Just a weird aesthetic design to have when its clearly only able to fire once
I just wish they wouldnt call every gun a musket, even the pistols.
Marjorie said "See for yourself" when Chevreuse was aiming at her. What a brave lady.
Chevreuse's design is incredible. I would have loved if she was more a sword user though since (if I'm not mistaken) rapiers were more popular as a sidearm. (also there's an overabundance of polearm users in Genshin)
Historically, muskets had a blade at the tip (called a bayonet) so soldiers can stab people with it in melee range.
In that sense, the bayonet is a lot more like a spear, since it has a long body made out of wood, and sharp iron tip to stab.
@@Aliens1337bayonet was invented due to warfare changes. Previously musketeer often accompanied by pikemen. Should enemy cavalry gets to close. The musketeer will retreat into pike squares. This changes after series of military reforms and drill that made pikes obselete. Hence the bayonet. Early bayonet is just a dagger with attachment plug to the barrel. Making it a makeshift spear. The downside is that they are hard to remove. Making the musket unusable for the rest of the battle.
Too many polearm users with lack actually good polearms.
anytime a character uses a polearm i attribute it to a sacrificial spear not existing. well that might not be the reason but i like to that that it might be.
That is fair I didn't actually think of that at the time.@@Aliens1337
Crossbows indeed fire longer ranges than bows. Hence why they were used heavily when they came about they were also easier to train people quicker to use and were particularly devastating to armored combatants
They didn't fire farther than every bow, but only a very small percentage of soldiers in very specific armies (english longbowmen, mongol warbow archers) could use bows that surpassed your average crossbow's range.
@@tarael86And they were already extremely tired after a two dozens of arrows, cause using 100+ pound bow is not easy at all, and that without aiming.
@@deauthorsadeptus6920 True, although wartime archers didn't aim, they always fired in volleys. Aiming was an archery tournament kind of thing.
no
crossbows have shorter range but more power
crossbows fall off much faster though
and they're still no good against armor
Muskets do not have shorter range than bows. They are only less accurate (usually, although there are some rifled muskets that are probably more accurate than a bow), so the usable range is shorter. Higher velocity=longer range, so in general musket>>crossbow>bow.
@@EdgeLie True
@@EdgeLieAlso wind direction can effect the range. In battle of towton during the war of the roses. The lancastrian longbowmen abandoned the advantageous high ground due to them shooting volley against the wind. They had to because the yorkist longbowmen cause serious havoc in lancastrian lines.
@@EdgeLie Doesn't matter if they are better on 1vs1. In real battle, it doesn't matter much
The archers have to be trained from childhood and can be easily killed
Guns and crossbows are better because you can be trained in basics in just a couple of months. And with advances in technology,production, etc make them more reliable and powerful. That means losses can be easily replaced, and you can have even more active soldiers
If you are skilled at a crossbow, a crossbow is still better, bows are just cheaper and easier to make and maintain @@EdgeLie
@@Lislio The cost and time it took to train bowmen was probably the most important factor, though. That's also why every military force used spears and other polearms for common soldiers. The pointy stick is just the easiest weapon to teach to conscripts.
When the civilians didn’t react, I immediately thought this:
“Oh, you! What a cute toy you have there! You’re a little soldier, aren’t you?”
I think they're not scared either because
1. she is known to only attack criminals and "only points her musket at the guilty"
2. her gun heals lol
Or don’t even know what a gun is
@@patefreeman1106 i dunno man, her musket is either a revolving musket (meaning firerarms either exist for a while in genshin world, or they just jumped right into revolvers) or a wheellock, but even if i didn't knew what a gun was, a person just pointing a long piece of iron at me, with a hole where the only function you can imagine is blowing your head off, i'd be scared
Is being aimed at by a musket
Marjorie: come take a look!
Maybe they should add firearms to the weapon list. Just like Catalyst the normal attack's projectiles would be infused with the character's element - or directly made out of it and we would be able to aim as charged attack, like with the bow.
A new weapon that possesses the properties of both rubber and gum... um, no... of both catalyst and bow. Now, that would be fun.
Unfortunately, one of major design flaws of Genshin is having their characters bound by weapon typing, and the said weapons are bound by gacha mechanics... If not for this, Chevreuse would probably be a full time gunner
M4 carbine to genshin when
AKM/AK-74N... Coming to snezhnaya in 2099
Muskets absolutely had a greater range than bows, even English longbows. Many of the purported disadvantages of muskets have been highly exaggerated.
literally the concept of a crossbow existance is to be stronger than a bow, but the down side is its downtime, it takes long to reload and on the older ones, it takes also a lot of strenght
Yeah but you could turn that into an advantage tho. You could hire or train assistant gunners to load the weapon for you. You and the assistant could bring multiple crossbows. Have one be the marksman and the other the loader since that is an advantage to having a pre-charged weapon. As for a "lot of strength", it really depends on the draw weight of the crossbow of course. The one advantage to the crossbow is the ability to implement simple machines that would leverage better power making it possible to draw heavier weights and generate bigger force. Like, if I take a small dinky shortbow and turn that into a crossbow, I doubt I'll be more tired than the bowman who's using the same bow size.
@@Awootistic im going to sleep, so instead of reading ill agree w you and leave it that way.
historically accurate...except for the fact her "musket" has a drum, which makes the long reload inaccurate
not to mention that.... Teyvat does not hold the same history as earth so its kinda moot of a thing to even say.
I own musket for home defense just as the founding fathers intended
Four ruffians breaks into my house
In the splash screen for the Muskets and Roses event, Chevy's musket appears to be a hammer fired, cylinder fed carbine length rifle that lacks a ramrod. In the event, while pointing to and explaining the pair of flintlock pistols to Ayaka (which are also called muskets), Chevy also mentions maintenance and firing pins, which is odd as muskets don't have firing pins. But perhaps in Teyvat terminology is a bit different to the real world's
'come take a look' *is being held at gunpoint*
That thing is smoothbore, when fired there is a 100% chance of miss completely killing neigbors dog in the process.
Then she’d have to resort to the cannon mounted atop the stairs loaded with grapeshot
@@maxdong3514TALLY HO, LADS!
NPCs when:
Navia aims with umbrella: oh shi- plz i dont wanna die!
Chevreuse aims with musket: lmao funny stick
Chevreuse's musket: *historically accurate*
Clockwork meka and Fatui Sharpshooter semi-auto rifle: "Bruh"
Granted they may have internal magazines, which makes me question why would Fontainians use muskets when they have the tech to make revolvers. It also makes me question why would Snezhnayans rarely ever use guns.
Fatui have the goddamn garands
umbrella AAAAA
femboy with crossbow AAAAAAAAAA
gun :)
"come take a look! There's a freak aiming at me!"
American VS archer: who win?
FONTAINE ISNT BASED ON AMERICA!! ITS BASED ON FRANCE!!!
@@rosies69 That was joke, relax.
Historically accurate that it cant shoot through the bushes 😂 while bow can
I'm pretty sure crossbows do fire further than bows, but due to their faster speed and straight trajectory its harder to hit targets from far distances. Where the bow slower speed gives you much more control of the arc.
0:44 theyre not scared because that smooth bore musket would realistically have a 25% chance of hitting them at a distance of 5 meters but if it did, the .60 caliber ball of lead would probably end them before they could feel any pain. Would take getting shot by the musket over eating 300 grains of buckshot to the face from Navia or having a barbed crossbow bolt through my chest from Mika.
i hope you are kidding and you are fully aware a smoothbore musket would blow the shit off of your head at over 100 yards (91 meters)
25% chance of hitting someone at a distance of 5 meters? Where have you heard this? Civil war era smooth bore muskets have about a 42-48% chance of hitting someone at 200 YARDS, idk who told you 25% at 5 , meters but you have absolutely no idea at all what you are talking about, it would only be that inaccurate if you were using rounds balls much smaller than the diameter of the barrel, so you'd literally have to be using the wrong ammo, I've shot smooth bore muskets and have hunted with rifled ones, ive also owned rifled muskets and they've been extremely accurate, you're thinking of a short barrel black powdered deringer or like a pepper box, then it probably wouldn't hit anything over 5 meters, but the average smooth bore musket around the time of the civil war has been documented to hit Targets accurately at beyond 100yards an still lethal to around 175-200 yards, infact when they would train civil war soldiers to shoot targets at 20-50 yards and even then they were as accurate as the person was skilled. Also they did use rifles muskets at could reliably hit targets at 400-500 yards but they mostly used smooth bores because the smooth bores were already accurate enough considering most of the time the enemy would be close to you.
The weird part is that Chev's rifle looks like it's supposed to be revolver-style, probably with a lever action cycle given the elongated trigger guard (which extends to where her pinky is).
would be cool if we can see her reloading the musket, using the paper catridges and biting it open, Musket will always be my favorite weapon that was used during the napoleonic wars
They are not scared because Muskets are well not known that much
Or probably a Bug.
Since its historically accruate, i wonder if 4 Chevreuses dping volley firing is a good tactic in coop.
Can you also imagine if you actually see her reloading accurately during the 15 sec cooldown if she is idle
"Stop right there!"
"I literally cannot move"
"come take a look in the store!! :D"
a true businesswoman.
Chevreuse probably doesn't scare npcs because her musket is a skill animation and not an actual weapon in the coding; so the NPCs don't react
NPCs usually do react to skill animations though
probably a bug
@@bohdanhodovanets3235 oh you and Aileen are right. i made a mistake. Definitely an oversight then.
No it's historically accurate to real world america, they're just not scared.
@@angrywhale3545ah yes, my favorite America-inspired fictional country, Mondstadt. Which of course means Moon City in German, the language that originated in Texas, USA.
The proper meaning of "I own a musket for self-defense"
smooth bore civil war era muskets were accurate beyond 100 yards, with an accuracy of around 50% chance of hitting a small target at 200 yards. And rifled muskets were also used in the civil were and were documented to be able to reliably hit a man at up to 500 yards were as bows made to go far can only reliably hit a target at up to 400 yards, an the average bow and arrow only goes 50-70 meters and long bows about 90 meters,so yes some bows can be more accurate at long range than smooth bore muskets if your really skilled at usingna bow but rifled muskets can absolutely have more range. Bows are probably more accurate at close range though, except rifled muskuts would absolutely be more accurate overall.
*“No actual stompbeast was harm during the production”*
"What are you gonna do, fire that ridiculously long gun? Ha-"
I find it funny that gameplay wise her gun has similar real-worldish reload time while in the Musket and Rose event her gun acts as a bolt action sniper rifle
"Drop your weapons!"
"Come take a look!"
I think you're reading into this too much...
If you use Thunder Fury sets and C6 Bennette doing overload multiple times, her skill will be shorten like a gun maniac.
Fun fact we often see archer as agility and thin people but you had to be a pack of muscle to pull that string hard and long enough to aim and shoot, fighting for a big ammount of time
Chev: *literally pointing a gun at Marjorie*
Marjorie: "come take a look 😊"
People reaction to all gunners: "Hey! Don't point that at me!"
Chevreuse: "Law abiding citizens would not be harmed!"
i love the fact that chevreuse love eating chips like me😂
So on bow vs crossbow vs musket, it's a sizeable can of worms to investigate, but where's what I've found:
· Bows are cheap to make and while light ones are useable by anyone, anything worthy of military warfare (longbows specialy), they require lots of training (english longbowmen spent their entire lives training!)
· Crossbows are amazing, as they're easier to use than a bow, and allow for almost anyone to use heavier draw weights without as much training
· Firearms are akin to a further evolution of the crossbow. Their main advantage is that they outrange everything else, at the sacrifice of accuracy, but when you have a hundred men, accuracy isn't as important as being the one dealing the first blow. This means that firearms were more of a military campaign thing than personal, which is why they're hard to represent in most videogames.
As for Chevreuse, to make her musket more realistic they could extend the range and add inaccuracy, but that's represented by the shortened range, which is a fair representation. If you had to play with musket inaccuracy it'd just be unreliable and frustrating!
"DROP YOUR WEAPONS!! 😡"
"Come take a look 😏"
I hope in Snezhnaya, we can have a catalyst character with machine gun as its output
No one is scared of the prop Musket you got at the museum! 💢💢💢
Actually, effective range of bows and muskets were comparable. At least in terms of general combat range and not some sports shooting.
“Nice toy gun you got there, kid.”
-NPC probably.
Every fantasy world...
*NEEDS A GUN*
is the part where her burst fires a cannonball and then turns her gun into a double barrel at c4 also historically accurate?
They are not afraid because they don't know what gun even is, they think it's just a stick
they dont worry because they can see it smoothbore and they know it will miss,
average Mondstadt civilians had never seen a gun in their lives, that's why they're not scared
“Drop your weapons!”
Marjorie: “Come take a look!”
"! DROPE YOUR WEAPONs !" ,,Come Take a Look!"
xD
let's not ignore the fact you kept both musket and bow level with the target, but pitched Mika's aim
the npc's assume its smoothbore and its going to miss even at that range, thats my headcannon
Yes, muskets don't have that much range due to the ballistics of the time really didn't allow for higher muzzle velocity.
Muskets with a 3/4 inch (19.05 mm) diameter travel at 1425 fps (feet per second) or 434 m/s (meters per second), with different diameters having nearly identical muzzle velocity. It's in the Elemental Skill's name (Short-Range).
As small arms development continued, so did muzzle velocity. Smokeless powder (especially after 1886 with the French Lebel rifle) are now capable of 1000 m/s (4000 fps), allowing for long range shots at the time. Nowadays, projectiles like the 5.56 NATO are as fast as 3130 fps , while precision rifles like the CheyTac Intervention chambered for the 408 Cheyenne fire as fast as 3500 fps (1100 m/s).
We getting outta catacombs with this one
That musket has Aim Bot. You don't need to be in the center of the crosshairs to shoot accurately, you just need to place your target inside the large reticle and the bullet will go straight to the enemy no matter how bad your aim is.
Yes and no
It really depends on the kind of musket and in what period they were created. The early or later versions. Expensive or military or cheap versions.
Also I noticed that her muske had a cylinder...
...Yeah...this is a bad design. There is a reason revolver, cylinder rifles weren't a thing
The expelled pressure hits your wrist of the other hand. The revolver works because you put your hand behind the cylinder
"there's a reason revolver cylinder rifles weren't a thing"
*laughs in cattleman's carbine*
@ And where they are now?
They weren't a thing and were left behind because they had major flaws. Like getting hit in the wrist when arming it like a rifle, which is the whole point of that design.
Just because someone produced a hundred guns of their design, doesn't mean that gun was good orsuccessful. Because they would just end up on a wall or museum while the one making will go bankrupt.
There are many guns like that.
@@XMitrilXPLyes, but that doesnt mean they just never existed
also aiming rifles like they're an oversized handgun is objectivelly the best way to do it. and if you disagree you're just incorrect
Actually revolving black powder rifles were used in the civil war an you can still buy firing reproductions to this day, also the cylinder isn't the biggest problem, the real danger is black powder revolvers since there creation have been known to chain fire, where you fire the gun and a spark from the chamber sets off another chamber next to it, so the bullet fires out of the chamber and has a good chance of hitting your hand, since its just coming of the cylinder and not the barrel it wont have as much energy but it could still blow part of your hand off. Thats why they would smear greese or like pig fat over every cylinder hole to prevent chain fire.
@@XMitrilXPLalso they still make modern revolving rifles and shot guns today, ones that aren't black powder so there definitely safer.
Drop your Weapon!
NPC : see for yourself....
🤣
This is just outright wrong. Bows could be effective out to about 100 yards. Muskets like those used in the Napoleonic era also had an effective range of about 100 yards. What differs is that the musket's maximum range is much, _much_ higher. A bow may be able to launch an arrow 400 to 500 yards on a good day. A musket can reach over a thousand, easy.
However, Chevreuse uses some fancy revolver thing, which is most likely a percussion cap rifle and not a musket, so her effective range should be absolutely humongous. A similar revolving rifle made in 1893 had sight marks all the way out to 900 yards. It would absolutely be able to shoot further than that, 900 yards is just the furthest the designers thought anyone would be able to actually hit a person.
I didn't pull for her, but still happy having a musketeur in a fantasy game
As I wanted to c6 Sara for my c2 Raiden I just got repeatedly Chevreuse until she was c6 and I thought huh why not trying her c6 seems good tho. Actually it is cracked.
These are the important things we want to see in the game
That’s probably still within a musket’s accuracy range
Then you get her c4 and she gets to shoot 3 times in a row without any modifications to the gun.
"I own a Musket for home defense since that's what the Oratrice Méchanique d'Analyse Cardinale intended"
> be Chevreuse
> wield lancer spear
> skill using musket rifle
"DROP YOUR WEAPONS"..... "Come take a look!🤭"
Meanwhile in the same patch;
"Me MHY, me think flintlocks are also muskets!"
"Come take a look"
"See for yourself!"
That "CoMe TaKe a LoOk" 😭🤣
Chevy is so good, it;s really recommended to pull for her
Knowing Mondstadt is based from Germany, I'm not surprised why people there doesn't flinch when being pointed by a gun
The only inaccurate part of the weapon is the accuracy. That probably why the npc are not afraid. But tmmaus should be.
As a history nerd I must say that is actually really cool
Yet in the event, the musket used was almost almost equivalent to a 20th century sniper rifle.
Alright, let's talk realism.
The effective range (not the maximum range) of a medieval recurve war bow (not a longbow) can be anywhere between 20m for low draw weight to anything up to 150m or beyond for the heaviest of draw weights (but you need to have an herculean physique to be able to fire one of those).
The effective range of a 16th-19th century musket was around 100m.
Looking at the arms and torso of the girl on the left, it would be difficult to believe that she would be able to draw anything over a 30lb draw weight recurve. 30lb it's on the upper end of what is recommended for a beginner archer, aka someone with poor upper body musculature.
The mechanical marvel that were medieval crossbows, on the other hand, could very easily pierce mail armor at an effective range of 100m, with an estimated maximum range of about 350m (but good luck hitting anything at that distance).
The "historically, muskets have shorter range than bows" statement is simply not true because the range of a bow depends on the design of the bow, the strength of the user and the weight of the draw. Longbows and heavy recurves have longer range than muskets, but those are nowhere near what the girl on the left could possibly use.
No surprise there will be characters like this in Snezhnaya
It's a pop history misconception, to be honest. Muskets have a lot longer range and are more accurate than bows. In theory your bow can be more mechanically accurate but unless you precisely know how far the target is you'll miss far more easily from long ranges than with a musket. It was even noted by Koreans during the Imjin War. Archery just has so much mythology attached to it by various sources so it's hard to separate that from reality. English is also one of the only archery cultures which kept pushing back against adopting firearms. Even in the early 19th century they kept romanticising the longbow (technically they still do, just pretend their insanity only applies to "old guns"), Duke of Wellignton famously thought archery as superior. At the same time Napoleon's forces had a ridiculously easy time when their infantry with muskets faced off against Tatar horse archers.
Of course this is a fantasy game so pop history knowledge is fine. Balancing things is also important. I just don't want people to replace one myth with another.
I have now become interseted back in playing this game for exactly five minutes
since the gatcha wont give me the musket girl
> "Drop your weapons!"
< "Come take a look!"
> ....... not *those* weapons.
Crossbows have longer range than regular bows, but shorter than longbows
A musket doesn't have a shorter range than a bow. A musketball has a far longer range and many primary sources show that people of the time knew that. Also a musket is point accurate to roughly 100 yards, but volley fire could be done at far longer ranges. The brown bess musket had a velocity of 1500-1700 fps when recordeed historically. It had a the point accurate range of 100 yards while it had an area target range of 300 yards, but the lethal range of the musketball was about 1200 yards. Also reports at the time stated a musketball could penetrate 2 people at 150 yards. Bows were used as volley weapons just like muskets and a longbow had a maximum lethal range of 300 yards, but they only shot for point accuracy at 50 yards. Many people also tend to forget that line soldiers back then were not trained in actual marksmanship, only drill. Even rifled muskets werent significantly more effective during the civil war because soldiers had no marksmanship training. Poor accuracy of Union soldiers was one of the reasons the NRA was founded.
Stop right there! Give me back my bread!
Historically a musket does have shorter range than a crossbow due to it complexity rivaling was not a thing to allow longer range
only if Chevreuse has reloading animation for her cooldown...
"Drop your weapons!"
*Dio poses*
Marjorie: "See for yourself!" 🗿
Maybe they notice her excellent trigger finger discipline and are not scared 😂
They're not scared cause they don't know what i gun is ig LOL