My dad was one of the emergency personnel that worked this tragedy. I just watched this for the first time, and it made my stomach tie up in knots. I cannot imagine being there amidst all this. Hats off to all those who worked countless hours to save everyone they could.
My dad was at this hotel in May of 1981 on a business trip. Two months before the disaster. He walked across the skywalk with his boss, who had an education in engineering. He commented that the skywalk was vibrating way too much, something wasn't right and that he would not walk across it again. My dad thought he was being paranoid, that there was no way they would build something that wasn't safe..
My Engineering Statics textbook says the failure was due to a last minute design change during construction, changing the way the two bridges were attached from one consistent hanger where the forces cancel out, to a two hanger system attached to bridge 4 causing it to support both bridges on one connection instead of one.
During the actual construction the workers noticed the skybridges already sagging whenever they pushed heavy wheelbarrows over them. Their solution was to shrug and not push heavy wheelbarrows over them anymore. They weren't paid to question the engineers and they wouldn't have changed anything anyway. The late 70s/early 80s was not a good time for the pride of the American industrial worker.
ON A HAPPY NOTE! Dalton is alive and well and living a great life in California. He's an accomplished musician/songwriter as well as a popular local yoga instructor. Namaste!
My great uncle was Country Bill, he was never called that, the news must have stuck it to him. Allman was my grandmothers maiden name, and he was her brother. This accident changed him for life, eventually he went into shock and was frozen with his jack hammer. He was never the same after this my family says. Rip uncle billy, we miss you and love you.
My mother was a Disaster Field Representative for Red Cross, and was there shortly after the collapse. I was a 13 year old kid, sitting on the floor, watching tv. Before she came home, all I had heard was that people were hurt. I remember her coming in through the door, and as I stood up, she grabbed me and burst into tears. I was completely astonished, not knowing the extent of what happened. It was maybe the second time I had ever seen her cry.
My dad and my aunt were nurses and admin. both working at Truman Medical Center at the time, however both had the evening off. When they heard what had happened, they immediately went downtown to help. My dad cannot talk much about what he saw and what happened; it was a horrible event. I’ve learned about this mostly from videos like this one. Thank you for posting.
I stayed in this hotel in 2001 while I was in high school. I walked over the existing walkway, hung out in the lobby, and so on, not having any idea of what had happened there until several months after my stay. That was pretty eerie. What was unbelievable to me was that there was no mention at all of this disaster - no plaque, no memorial, nothing at all for the 114 people who died there. Pathetic and shameful to pretend that this did not even happen.
I grew up in KC, and remember this night very well. As if the collapse wasn't bad enough, it really was not talked about, at least, in the corporate world of Hall's and Hallmark. Wikipedia has a quote, that I think sums it all up...."From other people's experience, we've seen the best way to handle it is not to talk about it. It'll go away," says Jim Smither, sales director for the Greater Kansas City Convention and Visitors Bureau. "People forget it. Just don't make a big deal out of it." And that's exactly what they tried to do. 😡
@@elizabethnewberry1672 I've only been back in that building twice since then...forced to go both times. I'm not really afraid it will collapse....I just can't breathe in there.....
Rebecca Maye is right. A memorial was finally put in place in 2015. So in 2001 when you visited there would not have been one. I don’t know why it took so long. I live in Kansas City. Born and raised here. I was born in 1983 after this happened. The in,y reason I knew about it is because my dad was one of the lawyers that worked on the lawsuit, so he told me about it when I was young. Otherwise people do not really talk about it too much around here. I guess it’s too hard maybe? I try not to judge since I wasn’t born yet.
My Uncle’s ex-wife responded to the accident. She was a nurse and they were at dinner with other doctors and nurses when all of their pagers indicated a mass-casualty event at the hotel. It really weighed on her after it happened. No one should ever have to encounter carnage like that.
My dad and I stayed at this hotel a few months before this tragedy. He had taken me to Kansas City for a Kings basketball game. We walked across the top walkway.
I remember studying this in my physics class in college. I had to come to KC today for work. I walked into what is now the Sheraton and immediately recognized the lobby. The skywalks are gone, of course, but everything else is completely recognizable. You have to walk over the spot where all those people died to get to the registration desk. Sad.
Glad to make it available. The KC Star published a book on the disaster a year or so back that is a decent reference. I've also done a bit of work on the Wikipedia article, mostly adding references.
@Uwant2ReadMe I know what you mean. Dr. Waeckerle is an old friend of mine, and he's been interviewed a lot recently for the 30th anniversary. He said the media afterwards was harder to deal with than the actual event. He said he got calls from other responders “It was a brotherhood of people who shared an experience,” he said. “A bonding occurs when you go through this.”
I was born in '82, so wasn't alive at the time, but this story is still very sad. What are the odds, though, of any of us being taken out by some catastrophe like this? It's just mind-boggling to think that by walking across the room to get a drink could save your life. The universe is a cold, uncaring place. Thank goodness for what luck we do have staying alive each day!
If the universe is "a cold, uncaring place" how did it produce an empathetic, caring soul like you (which is a part of the universe). This idea about the universe is widely held, but dose not make sense at all.
@@annefranciselizabeth3840 I think they mean the universe isn't a human. It's nature, and does as it does regardless of whether or not we are in the way or not.
@@wichhouse Nature cannot do "whatever" it does and then somehow come up with a caring, rational human being anywhere in the cosmos. Whoever believes that is a fool.
@@annefranciselizabeth3840 Sure it can. That's why it's random. But random doesn't make something any less amazing, caring, beautiful, horrifying, rational, etc, etc. Those are independent qualifiers.
@@wichhouse That argument is so amusing. If there is no universal rationality, you cannot be rational. Why would you try to convince me that your position is right if the universe truly has no rhyme or reason? What would be the ultimate value of my agreeing with you?
@postingoldtapes I just found out from Dr. Waeckerle that "Country Bill" Allman took his own life after the disaster. Not all of the victims were caught under the rubble.
He did in fact. I am his great niece and he was never the same after the accident leading up to his death. However, he did live a long time after the accident. He even got shot and became a quadriplegic before he died.
Makes me want to stay home and hide from danger. But what's to say my own home ceiling won't come down and crush me??? No where is safe, no guarantees, I guess😟
I was playing softball at Roanoke Park when this happened. About a mile away. They were so many helicopters and sirens, I thought we had been attacked. Did not find out what had happened until I arrived home.
I was just thinking…I was seven in 81. I’m the same age as these folks now, and they looked a whole lot older! 40 years ago in 81 was 1941…40 years is a long time ago, and I remember it
Those days when you would watch a news story and some fireman would talk about pulling out a decapitated body from rubble or seeing some dead person trapped in rubble. I remember those stories…Scared the shit out of me. Thank god they’re more cognizant of who’s watching the news
I don’t understand all the mean comments about appearances. I pray for all of the victims, survivors, first responders, bystanders and hotel staff involved. You can tell how much it affected the men who were interviewed. This tragedy sounded horrific for the entire community. I feel so bad that they went through this.
Typical millennial mindset. I’m so glad to have been alive in 1981 and just beginning adulthood. And I’m so totally at peace with the fact that these days I’m on the down hill slope. Be safe. Be well.
David Williams Hi David, I must say I’m jealous that you experienced youth in the 1970’s and 80’s. I’m a millennial but I understand what you mean. There are some mean people out there. The world is at a very low point but it’s up to us to stay strong. Thanks and I hope you are well, too.
@@robynnsong I could also be slightly jaded. I remember this disaster well as it dominated national news for weeks. Having said that MTV premiered on most cable systems just a few weeks later.
In my opinion as an engineer, the bad design was not as suggested here, and as in many other videos, but in the fact that the horizontal two FLANGES of the C channels were loaded as a CANTILEVER, and they did not transfer the vertical load to the vertical WIDER WEB, in a vertical manner. The vertical webs with a vertical load should have been used and not a twisting or torque load, on the flanges of the C beams. If wide THICK plates bridging across the two vertical wide webs were used with the loaded nuts, rather than using a thin washer with a small diameter, this would not have failed. Note, even the original design was no good as far as engineering logic goes, as it still loaded the two FLANGES in a cantilever torque mode, which should never be, in a C channel or an H channel. I would say that the original system would also have failed, as the welding holding the C channels together did not seem to be a good weld with no porosities and anyway, the original single rod was too close to the edge of the C beam. Exchanging the rods and placing the upper rod on the inner hole could have helped! . Thick plates with side limits, working in conjunction with the loaded nuts would even eliminate the need for welding the C beams, but I still would have used welding anyway.
@chibijess14 there's not a memorial because nobody can agree where it should go. there's been one planned forever. but the location keeps getting moved.
Mari Adkins I was just wondering about this, thank you for your comment. I can't believe I'd never heard of this before today! I grew up going to crown center for fun my whole life. I don't think I can look at that beautiful entrance the same now.
There finally is a memorial now. It was finalized and put in place in 2015. I think it’s across the street though. Not sure why it ended up across the street, but at least they have one now.
I wanted to upload this footage before the 30th anniversary. Astoundingly, not one person served jail time. A bad design, made worse via bad fabrication and bad installation...abetted by criminal negligence on the part of the inspectors.
The illustration they show at the beginning is all wrong. Both walkways fell at basically the same time. It was not a “pancaking” collapse where the floor above falls to collapse the floor below. That would only have been possible if they had NOT changed the design. They obviously looked at the drawings showing how it was originalled designed and made wrong assumptions.
Thank you all the BRAVE fireman saved lives. fireman where underappreciated. This happen after the firemen strike Crook Kc mayor at the time screw them over. Hopefully Berkley felt like an ass!
Im waiting for that one person who calls 911 say get here something is wrong... What happen ? A floor collapse how much? Fuccer get here and stop with the questions !!!
That Big Band generation must have hated current music of 1980/81. If you played a Pat Benatar or Hall & Oates song, they probably were all "Damn kids, turn that noise off!" 😂
If this had happened 5 years later, could you imagine trying to save all those people for however many hours it took with over a hundred "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" echoing throughout the lobby?
I don't believe I've ever called anyone a sorry P.O.S. online before, but congratulations 👏 you win the "1st time for everything award". The only thing that chills me to the bone almost as much as tragedies like these, are the warped and deranged idiots that crawl out of their holes to demonstrate how they can look at stories of HUMAN tragedy and unbearable trauma and grief, and make the most pathetic attempt to be funny. Why? What happened to your blackened heart that you could watch this and your ONLY response is to point fingers at yourself while jumping up and down shouting "I need attention, look at me". What an absolute pathetic and childish ass. You come from the same line of guys that left kids on the Titanic to their fate to steal a spot in the life boat or the fools who slow down to record a car accident on their phones rather than stopping to help. Seriously, get up now and go look in your mirror long and hard and ask yourself honestly, "am I who I really should be in this life if I can watch the tragedy responsible for the greatest loss of life after structural failure only to be surpassed by 9/11 and think my little comment is cute or funny? Re-check your thoughts and your soul for God's sake.
@@mariakass6213 I agree. The anonymity of the internet allows cowards to say things things that would get their ass kicked in an actual social setting. It’s a sad fact of the world we live in. Be well. Be safe.
@@mariakass6213 Did you know that people use humour to deal with tragic things to make them less tragic and stressful? Did this joke make you laugh and go "Hey yeah, you know hah hah, those old people died funnily. Oh ho ho, hee hee hee. Silly stupid old people!". I'm pretty sure it didn't and because you're a good person, it won't. Just as saying the opposite won't make a bad person any better or worse. Humour isn't supposed to be gently padded and sterile. The only difference between me making light of a tragic situation and someone who legitimately fits into the category of the type of person you described in your comment is context, ie; some things that might seem awful and offensive are said with the intent of ill will while other intents aren't ill at all. Think of it as fantasy. Some people fantasize about punching or killing their boss, sometimes in horribly awful ways as an outlet to relieve the stressfulness from their job. However in reality they wouldn't actually do that because they aren't a bad/violent person. It's similar as why to someone who's virulently anti-racist, there's bound to be at least one "racist" or racist joke out there that might make them smirk or chuckle but that doesn't mean they're in support of racism.
It's interesting to me how middle-aged people in 1981 (say born in 1930) already looked and seemed like old geezers who listened to boring ass music and were just bland and totally out of touch with youth culture in the late 70s/very early 80s. I'm sure the 11 year old boy Dalton, must've been bored out of his freaking mind around these fossils, lol.
Just saying these 45-55 year olds of 1981 looked 70 to me. Even a 50 year old today who hasn't physically aged well still generally acts and seems so much younger than they did then. Maybe its because the big band generation didn't really grow up with teenage/youth culture?
Cynthia: I'm a hipster so most of my favorite music came out before I was born anyway lol, so I won't have to worry about that. Getting older still sucks, but when I'm 50 I'll still seem a million years younger than they did then.
@@Tracymmo All I said was my favorite music is 1970s-80s but I still listen to some modern music at 34 and probably will at 50 too. Seriously don't you think they looked 75 and had a senior citizen vibe?
This was heartbreaking indeed and people were typically golden just in this way, no matter the race or background, these people HELPED each other, unlike, this selfish, scamming "dummo" generation today. People actually knew how to answer 911 calls. People did not talk loud or were not high on meth or on their technology. Not ONE obese person there in those day. Every one does look as if they have eaten beef by the truck loads TODAY. People back THEN were the salt of the earth, of natural normal weight, size, intelligent, soft spoken where that man actually took off his shirt for another!! That was when people were real and were not dictated by things or objects. This was how people SPOKE, they were not scripted. This was how excellent our education was for everyone!!! Not for some. Everyone! People saved lives and they did perform extraordinary deeds. People really enjoyed each other and they cared about the injuries of others. A swell bunch of folks, these were our grandparents who made us the kind of adults today who are middle aged and who have tried to maintain that manner of life. People were just real and loving. I miss how people really were.
My dad was one of the emergency personnel that worked this tragedy. I just watched this for the first time, and it made my stomach tie up in knots. I cannot imagine being there amidst all this. Hats off to all those who worked countless hours to save everyone they could.
my cousin was a firefighter and one of the first responders. He went home and burnt and buried his clothes. Such a tragedy.
My dad was at this hotel in May of 1981 on a business trip. Two months before the disaster. He walked across the skywalk with his boss, who had an education in engineering. He commented that the skywalk was vibrating way too much, something wasn't right and that he would not walk across it again.
My dad thought he was being paranoid, that there was no way they would build something that wasn't safe..
My Engineering Statics textbook says the failure was due to a last minute design change during construction, changing the way the two bridges were attached from one consistent hanger where the forces cancel out, to a two hanger system attached to bridge 4 causing it to support both bridges on one connection instead of one.
@@murderWhornets yep
During the actual construction the workers noticed the skybridges already sagging whenever they pushed heavy wheelbarrows over them. Their solution was to shrug and not push heavy wheelbarrows over them anymore. They weren't paid to question the engineers and they wouldn't have changed anything anyway.
The late 70s/early 80s was not a good time for the pride of the American industrial worker.
ON A HAPPY NOTE! Dalton is alive and well and living a great life in California. He's an accomplished musician/songwriter as well as a popular local yoga instructor. Namaste!
Nice to hear that, he's like 48 now and sounds like a pretty cool/youthful one!
I wonder if he's had any nightmares about that horrible day? 🤔
That is awesome!!!
Awesome!!! Thanks for the uplifting update!!
My great uncle was Country Bill, he was never called that, the news must have stuck it to him. Allman was my grandmothers maiden name, and he was her brother. This accident changed him for life, eventually he went into shock and was frozen with his jack hammer. He was never the same after this my family says. Rip uncle billy, we miss you and love you.
My mother was a Disaster Field Representative for Red Cross, and was there shortly after the collapse. I was a 13 year old kid, sitting on the floor, watching tv. Before she came home, all I had heard was that people were hurt. I remember her coming in through the door, and as I stood up, she grabbed me and burst into tears. I was completely astonished, not knowing the extent of what happened. It was maybe the second time I had ever seen her cry.
My dad and my aunt were nurses and admin. both working at Truman Medical Center at the time, however both had the evening off. When they heard what had happened, they immediately went downtown to help. My dad cannot talk much about what he saw and what happened; it was a horrible event. I’ve learned about this mostly from videos like this one. Thank you for posting.
I stayed in this hotel in 2001 while I was in high school. I walked over the existing walkway, hung out in the lobby, and so on, not having any idea of what had happened there until several months after my stay. That was pretty eerie. What was unbelievable to me was that there was no mention at all of this disaster - no plaque, no memorial, nothing at all for the 114 people who died there. Pathetic and shameful to pretend that this did not even happen.
I grew up in KC, and remember this night very well. As if the collapse wasn't bad enough, it really was not talked about, at least, in the corporate world of Hall's and Hallmark. Wikipedia has a quote, that I think sums it all up...."From other people's experience, we've seen the best way to handle it is not to talk about it. It'll go away," says Jim Smither, sales director for the Greater Kansas City Convention and Visitors Bureau. "People forget it. Just don't make a big deal out of it."
And that's exactly what they tried to do. 😡
People need to know about it when people stay at that hotel. I still wouldn't trust staying there I am afraid the whole building will collapse
@@elizabethnewberry1672 I've only been back in that building twice since then...forced to go both times. I'm not really afraid it will collapse....I just can't breathe in there.....
@@elizabethnewberry1672 The building is likely watched more carefully "code-wise" or just kept in mind to ensure it stays up now
Rebecca Maye is right. A memorial was finally put in place in 2015. So in 2001 when you visited there would not have been one. I don’t know why it took so long. I live in Kansas City. Born and raised here. I was born in 1983 after this happened. The in,y reason I knew about it is because my dad was one of the lawyers that worked on the lawsuit, so he told me about it when I was young. Otherwise people do not really talk about it too much around here. I guess it’s too hard maybe? I try not to judge since I wasn’t born yet.
I always look up above me now whenever I go into large public buildings etc.
The part that really gets to me is these firefighters - big, tough, brave men all - getting emotional recounting rescuing a child from the rubble.
That ER doctor is really tough. I really admire him for that.
Hes a hero but you can see him trying not to get emotional.
My Uncle’s ex-wife responded to the accident. She was a nurse and they were at dinner with other doctors and nurses when all of their pagers indicated a mass-casualty event at the hotel. It really weighed on her after it happened. No one should ever have to encounter carnage like that.
My dad and I stayed at this hotel a few months before this tragedy. He had taken me to Kansas City for a Kings basketball game. We walked across the top walkway.
I remember studying this in my physics class in college. I had to come to KC today for work. I walked into what is now the Sheraton and immediately recognized the lobby. The skywalks are gone, of course, but everything else is completely recognizable. You have to walk over the spot where all those people died to get to the registration desk. Sad.
im studying engineering and
i cant imagine to kill 114 people dancing by a total rookie mistake :(
tragic
CUB - But it wasn’t just that last rookie mistake that caused it. The very concept was bad and the e e ution was bad in a few different ways.
Glad to make it available. The KC Star published a book on the disaster a year or so back that is a decent reference. I've also done a bit of work on the Wikipedia article, mostly adding references.
@Uwant2ReadMe I know what you mean. Dr. Waeckerle is an old friend of mine, and he's been interviewed a lot recently for the 30th anniversary. He said the media afterwards was harder to deal with than the actual event. He said he got calls from other responders “It was a brotherhood of people who shared an experience,” he said. “A bonding occurs when you go through this.”
Country Bill from 11:42 committed because of how traumatic a situation this was.
He did in fact, and the incident might have been one of the reasons why. But he lived for a long time after the accident.
I was born in '82, so wasn't alive at the time, but this story is still very sad. What are the odds, though, of any of us being taken out by some catastrophe like this? It's just mind-boggling to think that by walking across the room to get a drink could save your life. The universe is a cold, uncaring place. Thank goodness for what luck we do have staying alive each day!
If the universe is "a cold, uncaring place" how did it produce an empathetic, caring soul like you (which is a part of the universe). This idea about the universe is widely held, but dose not make sense at all.
@@annefranciselizabeth3840 I think they mean the universe isn't a human. It's nature, and does as it does regardless of whether or not we are in the way or not.
@@wichhouse Nature cannot do "whatever" it does and then somehow come up with a caring, rational human being anywhere in the cosmos. Whoever believes that is a fool.
@@annefranciselizabeth3840 Sure it can. That's why it's random. But random doesn't make something any less amazing, caring, beautiful, horrifying, rational, etc, etc. Those are independent qualifiers.
@@wichhouse That argument is so amusing. If there is no universal rationality, you cannot be rational. Why would you try to convince me that your position is right if the universe truly has no rhyme or reason? What would be the ultimate value of my agreeing with you?
@postingoldtapes I just found out from Dr. Waeckerle that "Country Bill" Allman took his own life after the disaster. Not all of the victims were caught under the rubble.
OMG
Oh that’s sad.
Yes, he did 😥 I didn't learn that for a few years, but it really made me sad. I always thought he should've been added to the list of victims.
He did in fact. I am his great niece and he was never the same after the accident leading up to his death. However, he did live a long time after the accident. He even got shot and became a quadriplegic before he died.
2:16. You don't even want to believe that only moments later all those people on the walkway and below them would be dead.
@postingoldtapes People kept saying the problem was 'over-looked', It was NOT over-looked! My grandpa pointed it out, but they ignored him.
Makes me want to stay home and hide from danger. But what's to say my own home ceiling won't come down and crush me??? No where is safe, no guarantees, I guess😟
This tragedy was avoidable if the engineers followed the original construction plan instead of cutting corners.
I remember reading about this in a german newspaper in W. Berlin back then but had NO idea how many people perished.
R.I.P.
Back when 20/20 actually discussed intriguing topics. Today, the only thing featured on 20/20 is mysterious murders. Same thing with Dateline
I had completely forgotten about this until I saw it referenced in an article about first responders dealing with critical incident stress. so sad...
I was playing softball at Roanoke Park when this happened. About a mile away. They were so many helicopters and sirens, I thought we had been attacked. Did not find out what had happened until I arrived home.
I will never forget this I was a senior in High School
2:20 It's astonishing how 50 year olds in 1981 looked 75 by today's standards
Right?
They had it rough to make it easy for us. There is a reason they are called the Greatest Generation.
They walked so we could run.
I was just thinking…I was seven in 81. I’m the same age as these folks now, and they looked a whole lot older! 40 years ago in 81 was 1941…40 years is a long time ago, and I remember it
Probably because way more people smoked and even if you didn't you got plenty of second hand smoke.
rip country bill
Those days when you would watch a news story and some fireman would talk about pulling out a decapitated body from rubble or seeing some dead person trapped in rubble. I remember those stories…Scared the shit out of me. Thank god they’re more cognizant of who’s watching the news
I don’t understand all the mean comments about appearances. I pray for all of the victims, survivors, first responders, bystanders and hotel staff involved. You can tell how much it affected the men who were interviewed. This tragedy sounded horrific for the entire community. I feel so bad that they went through this.
Typical millennial mindset. I’m so glad to have been alive in 1981 and just beginning adulthood. And I’m so totally at peace with the fact that these days I’m on the down hill slope. Be safe. Be well.
David Williams Hi David, I must say I’m jealous that you experienced youth in the 1970’s and 80’s. I’m a millennial but I understand what you mean. There are some mean people out there. The world is at a very low point but it’s up to us to stay strong. Thanks and I hope you are well, too.
@@robynnsong I could also be slightly jaded. I remember this disaster well as it dominated national news for weeks. Having said that MTV premiered on most cable systems just a few weeks later.
In case anyone else, like me, was wondering, the boy's mother was also rescued.
at the Hyatt a week before this happened...ykes.
Should be titled: When America cared about humanity
We still care
In my opinion as an engineer, the bad design was not as suggested here, and as in many other videos, but in the fact that the horizontal two FLANGES of the C channels were loaded as a CANTILEVER, and they did not transfer the vertical load to the vertical WIDER WEB, in a vertical manner. The vertical webs with a vertical load should have been used and not a twisting or torque load, on the flanges of the C beams. If wide THICK plates bridging across the two vertical wide webs were used with the loaded nuts, rather than using a thin washer with a small diameter, this would not have failed. Note, even the original design was no good as far as engineering logic goes, as it still loaded the two FLANGES in a cantilever torque mode, which should never be, in a C channel or an H channel. I would say that the original system would also have failed, as the welding holding the C channels together did not seem to be a good weld with no porosities and anyway, the original single rod was too close to the edge of the C beam. Exchanging the rods and placing the upper rod on the inner hole could have helped! . Thick plates with side limits, working in conjunction with the loaded nuts would even eliminate the need for welding the C beams, but I still would have used welding anyway.
@chibijess14 there's not a memorial because nobody can agree where it should go. there's been one planned forever. but the location keeps getting moved.
Mari Adkins I was just wondering about this, thank you for your comment. I can't believe I'd never heard of this before today! I grew up going to crown center for fun my whole life. I don't think I can look at that beautiful entrance the same now.
+Trinity Richardson you're quite welcome!
There finally is a memorial now. It was finalized and put in place in 2015. I think it’s across the street though. Not sure why it ended up across the street, but at least they have one now.
Today is the 30th anniversary July 17th. The survivor family members are hoping to have a memorial built in the park across from the Hyatt.
jim seabough - It has been built. It’s long overdue.
Crazy we just hit the 40th anniversary a few weeks ago.
@rkminnich8kid Where was the article? I've been working on the Wikipedia entry on the Hyatt disaster.
What about the boys mother?
Why can’t that stuff be mentioned in the comments?
I'm doing a project on this event, been working on a presentation for this
Be sure to look at the channel I created specifically for this material - HyattPlus30
I wanted to upload this footage before the 30th anniversary. Astoundingly, not one person served jail time. A bad design, made worse via bad fabrication and bad installation...abetted by criminal negligence on the part of the inspectors.
The illustration they show at the beginning is all wrong. Both walkways fell at basically the same time. It was not a “pancaking” collapse where the floor above falls to collapse the floor below. That would only have been possible if they had NOT changed the design. They obviously looked at the drawings showing how it was originalled designed and made wrong assumptions.
mark pope - Right.
At the time this report was made, about a week after the collapse, that information about the changed design was not yet known.
In 2023? Still very sad and tragic.
Thank you all the BRAVE fireman saved lives. fireman where underappreciated. This happen after the firemen strike Crook Kc mayor at the time screw them over. Hopefully Berkley felt like an ass!
I remember this episode.
poor engineering design
I could be wrong, but I suspect that pressure to keep costs down and/or keep the project on schedule may have played a factor as well.
mel p - Yes, the design was bad even as originally conceived. Ever alteration of it to make it easier to build made it worse structurally.
my dad's parents were suposed to be there
Absolutely terrible
hi, i am currently doing the project on this.
can you send me the file of your worked on project so as to get an insight.
thanks.
Look it up yourself no one is going to do it for you Princess
@@elizabethnewberry1672 you may call prince
my mom and dad were there
aw sheeet im staying at a hyatt regency next week
Men were sure rugged back then!
Those silent generation "middle aged" people were only 50 and looked/acted 70 it's crazy
This was the landlocked version of the titanic disaster
So sad
Im waiting for that one person who calls 911 say get here something is wrong... What happen ? A floor collapse how much? Fuccer get here and stop with the questions !!!
That Big Band generation must have hated current music of 1980/81. If you played a Pat Benatar or Hall & Oates song, they probably were all "Damn kids, turn that noise off!" 😂
LOL 😂
Now we are the old folks who thinks our music is the best but even I like big band music and I was born in 1980
If this had happened 5 years later, could you imagine trying to save all those people for however many hours it took with over a hundred "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" echoing throughout the lobby?
An attempt at humor?
@@DavidWilliams-so2dy Oh absofrigginlutely :D
I don't believe I've ever called anyone a sorry P.O.S. online before, but congratulations 👏
you win the "1st time for everything award". The only thing that chills me to the bone almost as much as tragedies like these, are the warped and deranged idiots that crawl out of their holes to demonstrate how they can look at stories of HUMAN tragedy and unbearable trauma and grief, and make the most pathetic attempt to be funny. Why? What happened to your blackened heart that you could watch this and your ONLY response is to point fingers at yourself while jumping up and down shouting "I need attention, look at me". What an absolute pathetic and childish ass. You come from the same line of guys that left kids on the Titanic to their fate to steal a spot in the life boat or the fools who slow down to record a car accident on their phones rather than stopping to help. Seriously, get up now and go look in your mirror long and hard and ask yourself honestly, "am I who I really should be in this life if I can watch the tragedy responsible for the greatest loss of life after structural failure only to be surpassed by 9/11 and think my little comment is cute or funny? Re-check your thoughts and your soul for God's sake.
@@mariakass6213 I agree. The anonymity of the internet allows cowards to say things things that would get their ass kicked in an actual social setting. It’s a sad fact of the world we live in. Be well. Be safe.
@@mariakass6213 Did you know that people use humour to deal with tragic things to make them less tragic and stressful?
Did this joke make you laugh and go "Hey yeah, you know hah hah, those old people died funnily. Oh ho ho, hee hee hee. Silly stupid old people!".
I'm pretty sure it didn't and because you're a good person, it won't. Just as saying the opposite won't make a bad person any better or worse.
Humour isn't supposed to be gently padded and sterile. The only difference between me making light of a tragic situation and someone who legitimately fits into the category of the type of person you described in your comment is context, ie; some things that might seem awful and offensive are said with the intent of ill will while other intents aren't ill at all.
Think of it as fantasy.
Some people fantasize about punching or killing their boss, sometimes in horribly awful ways as an outlet to relieve the stressfulness from their job. However in reality they wouldn't actually do that because they aren't a bad/violent person.
It's similar as why to someone who's virulently anti-racist, there's bound to be at least one "racist" or racist joke out there that might make them smirk or chuckle but that doesn't mean they're in support of racism.
It's interesting to me how middle-aged people in 1981 (say born in 1930) already looked and seemed like old geezers who listened to boring ass music and were just bland and totally out of touch with youth culture in the late 70s/very early 80s. I'm sure the 11 year old boy Dalton, must've been bored out of his freaking mind around these fossils, lol.
Yes I was thinking the same, very different times.
Just saying these 45-55 year olds of 1981 looked 70 to me. Even a 50 year old today who hasn't physically aged well still generally acts and seems so much younger than they did then. Maybe its because the big band generation didn't really grow up with teenage/youth culture?
Cynthia: I'm a hipster so most of my favorite music came out before I was born anyway lol, so I won't have to worry about that. Getting older still sucks, but when I'm 50 I'll still seem a million years younger than they did then.
@@xennial80sxberner Then you will be even older and more out of touch than these people who were dancing to the music of their youth.
@@Tracymmo All I said was my favorite music is 1970s-80s but I still listen to some modern music at 34 and probably will at 50 too. Seriously don't you think they looked 75 and had a senior citizen vibe?
Huh
This was heartbreaking indeed and people were typically golden just in this way, no matter the race or background, these people HELPED each other, unlike, this selfish, scamming "dummo" generation today. People actually knew how to answer 911 calls. People did not talk loud or were not high on meth or on their technology. Not ONE obese person there in those day. Every one does look as if they have eaten beef by the truck loads TODAY. People back THEN were the salt of the earth, of natural normal weight, size, intelligent, soft spoken where that man actually took off his shirt for another!! That was when people were real and were not dictated by things or objects. This was how people SPOKE, they were not scripted. This was how excellent our education was for everyone!!! Not for some. Everyone! People saved lives and they did perform extraordinary deeds. People really enjoyed each other and they cared about the injuries of others. A swell bunch of folks, these were our grandparents who made us the kind of adults today who are middle aged and who have tried to maintain that manner of life. People were just real and loving. I miss how people really were.