I was converted by the First Vision when 16. I was Presbyterian, prayed, believed that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were two beings, father and son. First vision was 2nd discussion and I felt it was true. Elders asked me to pray about and encouraged me how to pray. They said to show gratitude for my blessings, repent, and then tell God i believed it and ask for confirmation. I received my answer immediately and it was astonishing. I called them in morn and told them I wanted to be baptized. My parents supported my decision. I am now 77 and have never had a doubt. Work in the temple.
God is there to anyone looking for his truth. Though none close to the truth the Church had, without the witness of the Holy Ghost no one got to know it. Testimony so important.
Beautiful testimony! My choir just filmed this video in Palmyra on the back side of the Sacred Grove, so I thought I'd share since I can tell the First Vision means a lot to you. It's a special arrangement of Joseph Smith's First Prayer that takes you on a musical journey through his entire experience. I think it's so powerful!❤ th-cam.com/video/mNo1cNBzERM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dmIZGdQHklC6wcgW
i am converted over and over every time I bear testimony of Joseph Smith having been visited by God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. This event never gets old. It’s a spirit-grabber. And then I have my own Jesus experience wherein He loves me so much, unspeakable, I need him. I have Him. The best part of bearing testimony is that the Angels in heaven are recording it and are rejoicing and my sins are forgiven. By repetition I can say that I know scientifically that God is real and forgiveness through the Savior is real. It is scientific because there is a repeatable method always with the same result.
I always say NO ONE can know everything about everything AND shouldn’t have to . It never bothered me that the prophet got the vax . He was 96 and decided it was best . My oldest daughter has a serious blood clotting problem and We decided against it and that was that . We also understood that the Church was international and that caused pressure from other governments also . No sense letting these things ruin your testimony .
and a loud ahmen !!!!!! that's exactly what we do in our lds famly. never trust a so-called "prophet" unless you have first consulted God , and yourself as well !!
@@MrBillmechanic - Russel Nelson is the Lord's mouthpiece. There is not so called prophets in the Lord's church - we have THE LORD'S PROPHETS. And there is nothing he said that was misleading if people used the spirit and a few braincells.
"Forced" in what way? I thought prophets stood against evil, even unto death? Or is that just fairy tale now? More honest answer: Nelson was flat wrong. He led everyone astray. He's not a prophet.
No, they were not. Russell M Nelson is Skull and Bones Owl and Key Bonesman, communist led United Nations lackey. He mentions his involvement in Skull and Bones Owl and Key in his own autobiography. And the millions each year that they give to the communist led United Nations and this year, they gave the greatest Satanical threat to freedom peace and the spread of God's work $1.3 billion dollars plus another few million dollars to them. All they are doing is aiding and abetting the enemies of liberty so the beast, the UN, has power over every nation, kindred, tongue and people! No one is forced to do anything. But of course Mr Skull and Bonesman anti-Christ warned you that you would die spiritually without the guiding directing comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost April 1st, 2018. So he's alright, he warned you as all good followers of Satan do.
I work for a railroad company and we were given a deadline of January. I can’t remember the exact year to get the vaccine. We were also given a I think it was $800. If we got the vaccine they put out a survey of how many people were going to get the vaccine or risk losing their job because it was it was a federal law that Biden put in, and the railroads were freaking out about how many people were not going to get the vaccine because a lot of people did not want it. they said they weren’t gonna fire us, but we’re gonna put us on a board that didn’t work and that they would train us or give us additional information before they would take the ultimate step of probably firing we we will never know because the law got dropped two weeks before the deadline. I had mine scheduled because I couldn’t risk it with my I have a heart transplant daughter, and so I need insurance so I was scheduled to do it the last minute and two weeks before the deadline they dropped the law requiring federal contractors, which include the railroads to have the vaccination. Those union meetings were some of the meetings I’ve ever been at because grown men were crying about losing their 20-30 year career over a vaccine that no one wanted. This is how ridiculous the doctors were, though. My daughters heart doctor told her not to get the vaccine because they have no idea how it will react with heart transplants and told us the same thing. My doctor grilled me for not getting the vaccine without knowing anything else so the communication gap was so big between the medical field and it really Showed the sheep from the people that are actually trying to be a doctor
I'm so glad it worked out for you and your family! I was told not to get it. My Dr actually agreed with what I was doing and told me to keep on doing that! I'm 71.
The Prophet told us earlier.. HEAR HIM. Im not saying that people didn't pray about the vaccine but I know we will need people on both sides of the veil and He has a place for all of us.
In January 2022, I (and many others) received an invitation to the J. Reuben Clark Law School annual fireside with this bullet point heading the list of “notes” for attendees: “Masks are required; attendees must be vaccinated.” This is just one instance of the spirit of coercion that many experienced and that some succumbed to in order to participate in Church and college / university events. Is our memory so short that we don’t remember other exclusions and condemnations of the un-vaccinated for failing to love their neighbors? That the JRCLS would be complicit in this spirit of coercion was beyond disappointing.
To attend a BYU football game and other sports you have to show proof of vaccination. If you worked at that MTC in Provo without the gene therapy you were nicely asked to resign. MoTab also require the JaB, they even did a medical case study on them with their information consent or knowledge. Henry J Eyring said at a BYU devotional you weren’t valiant if you didn’t get it….. and the list goes on.
All members of the Tabernacle choir were forced to take it if they wanted to stay a member of the choir. Missionaries were coerced to take it if they were serving out of the country. And those serving here in the U.S. were definitely pressured. So many members who received the very strong answer from the spirit to NOT take the shot were accused of being less spiritual for not following the prophet. The church requiring masks was horrid. As a preschool teacher of 20 years seeing the little ones at church with the face muzzles on was disturbing to me. I truly worry that the church will never stand up to government but will always be soft and just go along. The only thing that brings peace to my heart is that so many were awakened during that whole nightmare and now see more clearly that our leaders are not perfect and are turning more fully to the Lord and relying on Him for guidance. It is nice to not feel so alone when you hear of others who have awakened.
💯 True! Thank you for voicing this truth. This experience woke me up to see more clearly the actual gospel of Jesus Christ vs tradition or culture. It lead me to seek my Savior and my God.
The “Bride” will Never fight the Battles. it’s not “her” responsibility. Her job is to preach: faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. And to prepare for the “wedding feast” ie temple construction.
I didn’t need to pray about it. I saw the evidence and knew what the truth was. It bothered me tremendously that the Church was speaking what seemed to lies. All I can do is leave it in God’s hands, and hope that someday it will make sense.
Excellent conversation! Yes the flights were delayed and cancelled because the flight crews got sick. Pilots died or had career destroying adverse reactions: they can no longer pass their flight physicals. My husband just retired from flying in Jan. We didn't get the vax. The govt tried to force the pilots to comply. He, along with most pilots in his company were ready to walk. It literally came down to one week and the govt backed off. There is still a shortage of pilots. It will take years to recover. We had ward members die. We had members leave the church. My relationship is with God. Pres Nelson tried to warn us to rely on the Spirit. We did. But it wasn't a comfortable situation with the pressure from some ward members! Shame on THEM for what they did to those of us who listened to the first directive the prophet gave us "HEAR HIM". He didn't say "hear me."
When Nelson issued the statement to get the jab, he said it was safe and effective. That was a lie, but you excuse his lie because he had said to follow the Spirit. They shamed those of us who followed the Spirit and didn't get the jab.
Fabrizio, your conversion story is virtually exactly like mine.. I am also English and did my own search through many churches and different religions for many years, and as soon as I made accidental contact with the missionaries I knew they held the truth and was baptized after asking Heavenly Father himself if this Church was true and His reply was "You need never be afraid of anything you see or hear in this Church, for it is a true". My family were never vaccinated too for the same reason as you.. Love this Church...
In our family we did not take the snake bite. There was quite a bit of contention in our ward over the C word, and our bishop had to tell everyone to mind their own business. We have two boys that both became autistic the SAME day they got their childhood V’s. I was in the military and long story short, I will never let another needle touch my body. We used the evidence before us to gather information. We prayed to know if the decision we made was wrong and we didn’t feel anything in the contrary. Fast forward a few months after the V came out I was having self doubt - maybe I was wrong. I think if we don’t question we aren’t open to learn. So I was questioning it and I thought maybe it wouldn’t hurt to get it just in case. I didn’t talk to anyone about it but God knew my struggle. I had a dream which I will not share here but I have shared with some people. That dream taught me that I know when the Spirit speaks to me and that I must never doubt Him! We know what we know and we must not let man discourage us.
I received my answer for the V as well... and then with pressure, doubted my answer. I went to the Lord a total of 3 times and he finally sent my answer via a physical angel (a priesthood holder I hold in high regard). I finally felt peace and it even showed in my countenance (people told me). Trying to do better at trusting my answers.
Have you heard of reversing autism in children by detoxing them of heavy metals? I've watched several interviews with parents who have had successful stories.
Glad you guys covered this. Seriously it needed to be discussed and put out there, as so many had different feelings on what they should do. Thank you. 💗
Mike Leavitt is an advisor to the Church and he worked for WHO . He was also pressuring the Church to please the UN and the WHO . For those that don’t know Leavitt ( former Utah governor) was the president of the choir for years . He has a lot of “advising “ power .
Just jumping in to correct a few inaccuracies in your post. Mike Leavitt is actually the CURRENT president of the Tabernacle Choir. The First Presidency called him to that position in the summer of 2021. At the time they wanted the choir to start coming back to do live performances once more, but apparently the First Presidency wasn't satisfied with then-president Ron Jarrett's way of doing it, because they released him as choir president and called Mike Leavitt instead. Mike Leavitt quickly implemented a "Swiss cheese" protection plan that involved mandatory vaccination, contact tracing, and testing before every rehearsal. This is well documented on the Deseret News stories from 2021 - go back and read those again. My conclusion is that the First Presidency clearly wanted mandatory vaccination in the choir - that's precisely why they called Mike Leavitt to that position.
amazing how a prophet seer and revelatory can't see, or prophesy, or reveal direction from God. He instead gets led astray by men. The sure mark of a prophet indeed.
@@saa8488 Who says he can't see, or prophesy or reveal direction from God?! We have MUCH evidence to the contrary! Our counsel from President Nelson several years ago (before the pandemic) was to make receiving personal revelation a priority and that it would be necessary for our spiritual survival. We have not been asked to blindly follow the prophet's counsel on church policy. Remember, this was a policy decision, not a doctrinal one--though many people struggled to see the difference. We each need to be spiritually prepared to receive and follow personal revelation from God. We do not let the prophet, or anyone else do that for us. We must not abdicate our responsibility for our own spiritual welfare. Additionally, in the New Testament, we have promises that if bitten by a poisonous snake it cannot harm us. Of course, if it is our time to go and there is more important work for us to do on the other side of the veil, then we may be called home. The church was likely backed into a corner. The most important work going on is the gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil. That means temples must stay open and missionaries must be able to serve. Government was requiring vax in order for this to happen and thus, the message needed to be in line with the Gov't. Who knows what else could have happened to the church? It's like when President Woodruff issued the Manifesto. Neither option was ideal, but shown what would happen, he chose that which would allow the church to survive for the salvation of man and more important battles. So it may be that President Nelson saw the outcome if we fought against the vaccine and that was worse. Exercise your faith!
I felt that the church would be badly recognized, bullied as going against vaccines and the press would be all over it. And that would be most damaging of people accepting the gospel. But we were told to pray about it and that tells you right there that there could be different answers
I’m currently in dental hygiene school & was denied working at the VA. The dental office for the VA allows it - they no longer mandate the jab- but my school is still trying to force it. I’m extremely stressed & lose sleep over it. Please pray for me. I have requirements to meet for state licensure & I’m so worried that I won’t meet them. I prayed about it in 2020 & got the answer not to get it. I won’t let them force me but they could withhold my license.
Just trust the Lord, if this door closes for you, that means the Lord has much better plans for you. When I graduated in Finance back in 2008, there was a hiring freeze everywhere, especially within financial institutions. I was so stressed I couldn't find a job. The Lord literally told me I was going to own my own business, which has never been a dream or goal of mine. A few weeks later, my husband and I had an opportunity fall into our laps to buy the business we own today, and they were asking the exact amount we had in savings, which we were saving for a house down payment. We made more money with this business than we would have working for someone else, and we were able to buy our house we live in today just 6 months later. Trust, praise, and follow our Lord because he is good, and he knows you personally. Don't trust or fear man.
Remember that the Lord is in charge. If you are persecuted and driven from society, the Lord will use that to bless you. When the wicked drive out the righteous, it is because the wicked are ripe for destruction. And the righteous must be separated from them at that time. Once the righteous are removed, the wicked have no one to exercise their wickedness upon, but each other.
My wife and i did not get the "jab". It was the first time we did not follow the "council of the brethern". I was gobsmacked by the church following the CDC and government on the subject of covid. However my testmony is as strong as ever of the prophet and the 12 , the church being true ,of the Book of Mormon.........all true. No wavering . I dont know the WHY i dont need to know . For all i know it could or would of been worse if they did it the other way. The devils wrath would have come down on them with the world governments, the lying main stream media ,it would have been intense. Which one worse ? ...i dont know .i'm Just living and "enduring to the end"
I was Primary Music Leader when we started coming back to church. The Primary kids were put in the chapel, and the older adults in the RS Room and the youth in the Primary room. That alone was did not make sense. I said that I did not wear masks. My Bishop called me and asked if I would wear a shield over my face to teach music. I said "plastic face shields" were proven to make things worse, and that would be a lie to wear one, and are we not the church who deals in the TRUTH? He relented....I have never experienced such non-spiritual, crazy absurdity at from local church leaders and members. Also he advised not to talk more than 10 min to anyone at church. 9 was OK, 11 - JAIL!
@GAILandROD bizarre, right. There was a bishop in Utah county that called out a strong family who were sitting in the back.of overflow, for not wearing a mask. They kept coming and ignored him. He overstepped his authority as did some other bishops.
Since this is the Church of Jesus Christ restored and lead by His prophet I do not elevate the Savior at the expense of His called prophet by assuming he made a huge mistake as evidenced by the serious repercussions of the jab. I did my due diligence and did not get the shot but wholeheartedly consider Pres. Nelson a man of God and do not ascribe to the theory he made a mistake. I believe He was acting under His direction and that WE are being tested even as Abraham was tested. The test is not, in my opinion, whether we got the shot or not but how we handled this trial.
@perryrush5378 I prayed and asked Heavenly Father why the Brethren made some of the choices they did and the Spirit told me that all of God's children are allowed to use their agency and all will make mistakes because that is part of our experiences here on earth. He allows this, even from His servants. Joseph Smith made mistakes. Prophets in the scriptures made mistakes. They are human. We should follow Jesus Christ. The prophet does not always speak and act as a prophet. The Spirit can help us discern truth from error.
Fabrizio and his family did well to ignore that awful advice we got. I am thrilled to know his wife is a naturopath. She would know that the whole thing was a sham because she would know the truth of how and why we get sick. I myself went further down this path and discovered of myself that there was nothing to fear about it.
Fabrizio Poli, I just "happened" upon this podcast. My ears perked up when I heard your name, that you worked as a pilot, and that you are an ordinance worker in the Preston Temple. My mother joined the church when she was almost 13 years old. She was a WW11 bride from Norwich. You and I came across each other a couple of years ago through RootsTech. We are 4th cousins once removed. My mother always felt so alone, thinking no relations were members. It was nice to hear your story and testimony. We only live five minutes from the new Layton Temple and are blessed to go often.
My mother was also a War Bride WWII. She and dad met at a red cross dance, she was in the WAAF and he was in England and Ireland with the CTC. My mother was the only member in her family, she joined at 18. She never found any cousins, but I have since found a line that left Belfast and moved to Utah.
My experience was the same. I did not hear “get the vaccine” but I heard “pray to know what’s best for you.” I had already received my answer to not get vaccinated. But when I shared with others my decision, I too was made to feel like I was not following a prophet of God. I now tell others - after prayer - do what makes you “feel safe” and give others the right to do the same. We can coexist ❤
The way the church handled COVID-19 was very disappointing. Making members believe that the prophet recieved revelation that we should get the jab was simply wrong. Me and my family chose to not follow the world and refused the jab, one of yhe best decisions I've made
Now that you've seen they lie, take some time and discover the under-the-surface-iceberg of lies they've perpetrated over the last nearly 200 years. It's been one lie after another.
The church did not encourage any specific jab (from the top) - no doubt there were many local tyrants exuding their so called power to coerce local members to do what they thought was correct.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo uhhh...Straight from the first presidency..."To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.”
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Woah, why do you think these local leaders did what they did then? Because the first presidency and the quorum of the 12 apostles all agreed and said they did it because it seemeth good to the holy ghost, thus invoking scripture to back up there errant opinion.
@@prepperboy4938 - uhhh.. I know what the letter said. Now go and do research and find out the definition of that v word. I was vaccinated with earthen materials and I followed the prophet perfectly. If members didn't do their own research and study it out in their hearts and minds, it's on them.
@@madvinmryk - these local leaders did what they did because they were mini tyrants. The prophet never told them to do it. The prophet did not officially send that letter to be read from pulpits. It was local leaders who put words in the prophets' mouths. Mini tyrants who will be held accountable to God. That letter was so well worded. Words matter, grammar matters. If members did not do their due diligence and study it in their hearts and minds... and if they put the opinion of other family, friends and church members above the spiritual communications they may have been receiving, that is all on their head. As for the answer given by Elder Renlund - that it "seemeth good to the Holy Ghost" - you may want to listen to the rest of his answer on that topic. There was differing views on the topic with the Brethren.... the letter was what the Lord told them to send out and it gave enough room for both choices - take Amlici poy-son or get v'd in other ways that were healthy. The Brethren did not push any specific thing... it was individual members who put value and meanings to different words in that letter and their choice was all personal.
Forced? No...they could have stood up and not given in to the government. Most didn't. Nor did most stand up when they were being told to close their churches.
I prayed on my side and received clear guidance not to get the jab… looking at the explosion of turbo cancers and heart attacks in the young people, I don’t regret it… I regret my family to have followed the instructions without asking for themselves…I hope they will be ok…
@@twizzles659 - all of our family got it except my little family. We are now the black sheep of the family more than ever. True colours were shown by all. We look forward to finding new family in the millennium, as we have been ousted by ours - and it's ok.
Fabrizio Poli and I think a lot alike. I was also asked by perticular members of a 90% vaccinated congregation if I believed in following the Prophet. I said, yes. I do. So why have you not been vaxxed? Because I believe in following Christ before I follow the Prophet. When the Prophet speaks as a Prophet, then I need to pray for a testimony of what he is saying and then follow his counsel. When the prophet speaks as a doctor, then I listen to his medical advice. I also study it out in my mind, researching and getting sufficient information to make a decision. Then I take that to my Heavenly Father and ask him for confirmation if I have made a correct decision. I elected to not, and I feel that was the correct decision for me and my family.
Up until Covid appeared, President Nelson spoke often about personal revelation and how we should learn how to receive it ourselves. When President Nelson got his shot, I went back and forth about whether I should get the vaccine. As I prayed about it, I felt strongly that I should not get it and I felt at peace with my decision as I was striving to gain personal revelation
Oh so sad, 😢 .. one daughter out of our 7 children has taken every shot & booster they've recommended. She's constantly sick now with colds and flus. I'm praying she does not get some form of heart damage or turbo C. as you say. She lives in constant fear of "catching something" whenever she ventures out. We unvaxxed go about our regular hum-drum lives with no fear. I'm curious what new 🤔 plandemic will rear its ugly head next... (?)
I’m anti vaxxed‼️ it’s between me and my Heavenly Father. No one can force me to inject anything into my body, that I’m not sure of, or don’t feel good about‼️
I also wanted to mention that I was working for a company contracted by the church at the time cleaning on of its buildings. The protical and procedures of what to do when there was a positive case in the building was literally and scientifically ineffective. The sickness came, and was gone long before I was allowed to deep clean. My boss, knew this and told me that it was unneccesary I had to do the super clean once I got the go ahead, but the church has a lot of enemies. I wasn't cleaning to kill the bug, i was covering the churches legal behind. That was it. I had to take pictures of what I was doing and document a lot of stuff. It was all legal nonsense. It did nothing to protect those who entered the building.
His conversion is similar to mine except when I was 14 years old, I felt like I had lived before I was born but couldn't explain why. I didn't know of any Christian churches that taught that so instead I thought "well, maybe I was reincarnated". Fast forward to age 25, I was driving to work and wondering and talking to God and saying "is this all there is to life, you wake up, get a piece of paper (diploma), get a job and die? There must be more". Two weeks later I met the missionaries at my work, later they came to teach me, asked me to read the Book of Mormon, I read every assignment they asked me to. When they shared the Plan of Salvation and the pre-mortal existence, I flipped out and then a young man who was on splits with them asked me to read Alma 32, I read it and was baptized within a couple of days. Back then it took about 6 weeks to finish the lessons I finished mine in 4 weeks and was baptized, I even bore my testimony before I was baptized. When you know it's true, you know it's true. I've been a member for 46 years now. My husband and I also felt that the reason the 1st presidency was "urging" people to get the jab was because they were being pressured by outside forces and so that missionary could continue to go forward around the world. This was an excellent video, thank you to your guest for coming on!
Thanks for this discussion guys. My wife and I are active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and did not get the covid vax. The church is very active throughout the world in the vaccine giving arena. In fact the church has millions of dollars invested in the vaccine industry. But we were definitely shaken to the core when Russell M Nelson urged the saints to get vaccinated. From Primary onward we sing the song 'Follow the Prophet'. We are told he will never lead us astray. So being indoctrinated with this idea our whole lives was shaken when this covid thing came around. During the 2019-2024 period we have done a tremendous amount of research into vaccines, It is now obvious that some of the Brethren from the highest levels to the least made a big mistake over this. We have been woken up. Each of us have sole responsibility for our own salvation/exaltation, not the Prophet. There are many followers in this world all wanting someone else to tell them what to do. I guess I am a rebel. I worked for the church in the corporate side for many years and while there are many great and righteous people in it, there are also wicked unlearned people, that work there way up the corporate ladder who should not be there. It was through this experience I did a deep dive into the field of Freedom and what it means and the responsibility that requires. I left church employment because of the evil controls that was placed on us. We also experience segregation at church due to being unvaccinated. Separate sacrament meetings were held. Right or wrong we did not attend these meetings. We had our own church at home. This segregation was also a freedom issue for us. This has been a monumental experience for us. Our testimonies are still strong and have come to learn that all of us are mortal, we make mistakes, When a prophet makes a mistake it will probably be a wopper. Don't worry, get over it, Focus on Christ, use the Holy Ghost's advice and you wont be lead astray.
@@WashingtontreeNZ. Yes, it happened. In my stake (in NZ) we were told to just Zoom into our meetings (not that we were ever given a Zoom ID) 0:02 until myself and my husband petitioned the stake presidency to have unvaxxed services. We called it Leper Church. NZ did it hard on the whole dividing us - unvaxxed couldn’t go out to eat, go the gyms, swimming pools, libraries, hairdressers, fly overseas, teach in schools, work in a medically related field, work in prisons, work on the border etc etc. This went on for most people for 6 months but some medical places like my local hospital still have vax mandates. NZ, Australia and Canada were brutal.
@@twitchbiddy6880 I pay pretty close attention to the alternative media here in the US and the covid lock-downs were well covered by them, but it's interesting to get the perspective of someone who lived it. Our state governor is pretty authoritarian, but nothing compared to the leaders of the countries you mentioned. Luckily, I live on the sane side of my state where many of the c mandates weren't heavily enforced. That being said, it was crazy to see the church go along with everything the Gadiantons were saying. My husband was bishop at the time and finally said he wouldn't wear a mask. There were people who criticized him for it, even people who didn't agree with the mandates. Some were upset that he wasn't willing to enforce masking at youth activities. There were people who clearly avoided us because of no masks or jabs.
Amazing, this brother's story is so much like my own.....a self proclaimed Jack Mormon he told me, and to boot he was a nephew down the line from Mark E Peterson...we met on a Saturday early evening in a nice club in Newport, Oregon coast town....somehow we quickly got on religion????? Then he told me that he was a member of the Mormon Church, I had never heard of it, other than one time back in the very early 1970's I was looking for a place to TURN around at, and I pulled in, and as I started to turn the vehicle around, it was pointing DIRECTLY at the FRONT DOORS OF THE CHURCH, where see, "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS!!!!!!!!! The thought took me right back to my childhood experience outside of a very small Eastern Oregon Lumber camp 50 miles up in the BLUE MOUNTAINS. I was just turned 8 years old, and had an experience with Jesus and God (Heavenly Father) and I told them that it was just NOT FAIR that we in our day did not have a church with a living prophet and 12 apostles??????????? This TURN AROUND event, as the next step in finding that church, but, the night I met Curtis Peterson of Brigham City...he was working in that area for a few months, I quickly told him to come with me that we have to get to a private place and he had to tell me everything he knows about his church......as he had told me that his church as a living prophet and 12 living apostles.....with 2 counselors associated with the prophet.......short story is that we continued our relationship and a few months later, he had been sent to Ventura California on another construction job, and with a few days, I went to the city library and looked up Brigham Young, and the book that I had picked up, was making fun of Brigham and his many wives....it disgusted me to the point, that something told me inside that I had to find the truth of this church.faith and decided to get the phone book out at our apartment, and search it till I found a phone number, and I did, and immediately called the Mission Home in Ventura, and they sent missionaries out to my apartment the next day...I told them that I will listen to every missionary lesson, but first they had to tell/show me what Ezekiel and Isaiah meant about the 2 books that are joined together, and about what the VOICE THAT WILL SPEAK FROM THE DUST..........one of the elders was from Preston Idaho, is now a retired doctor. The other elder was from Pendleton, Oregon, and we knew some of the same business people in Pendleton, he had been a teen alcoholic, and some lds classmates invite him to go to MUTUAL with them, he did and was quickly baptized, as soon as he was ready, quit drinking immediately, and was called out on a mission just a few months before I met them in Ventura, CA. The missionaries, told me what they meant, and I did all the lessons in that first week, and was in church every Sunday after that, PLUS here I want to say something.... I had spent over 5 years going to all the different mainstream Christian churches, and made meetings with the Minister, etc...and I only had those 2 question for them, each one told me that I was going into areas that WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DELVE INTO that being the Mysteries of GOD??????????????????????? I would get up and tell them I appreciated their time, but that I was not asking the wrong questions, the last appt I had was with a Southern Baptist minister, and he got so angry with me and was actually ranting and raving, I LEFT HIS OFFICE immediately. I share this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
By the way.....I should have added this: I was in COVID ISOLATION from Feb 27th of 2020, until this last APRIL 2024, I knew that this was what I was being directed to do, I leaned how to get all my groceries to my front door, and I had my yearly Dr meeting by phone. I was not going to have one of those ventilation tubes stuck down my throat, and I was determined to make it through, I did and most all people family etc I knew told me I was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy over reacting and most of my family got covid and some got it several times.........I told my doctors what they could do with the VACCINE.....I will never take another injection for anything, I have the total belief that I was not just isolate for what ever reason, now I feel that Heavenly Father will protect me from this point, as I paid a great price, I felt that there was something that I was being prepared, or learn concerning something in our future times. The year prior, I had that H2N3 contagious respiratory infection, for 5 week, and 4 days, so sick I could barely get around to take care of myself and my 2 indoor only kitty kids........it hit me like a loco motive about 10 minutes prior to midnight on NEW YEARS EVE, and on Feb 4 on that morning as I woke ,and got out of bed, I was like it had never been in my body, one day I will understand, why, it had all happened........I had went to the urgent care, with dozens of sick people in it, on that 4th day after it hit me, and I was told that there was not ANY MEDICATION AVAILABLE to take for that infection....that my own body would have to deal with it........there was nothing to take, Heavenly Father was with me in that situation from start to end, Then Covid came actually in late 2019 they say now, but was not being noticed until that first case up in Seattle area.....I was living in Coeur d' Alene, Idaho. So I am conditioned for long term ISOLATION, to deal with what ever will come our way in the future.
@@twizzles659You followed what was best for you and that is exactly what the prophet told members to do . We all have different paths and only The Lord knows Our path .
I was baptized when I was 16 ....spent 27 years in the Army....took many shots because we were over seas several times....I read the BOM everyday....Alma 34 is my favorite book ... I have many scriptures from this chapter... Verse 4, yea that ye would have so much faith as to plant the word in your heart that ye may try the experiment of it's goodness.....you don't need shots if the word which is Christ lives in you... daily....I never took the COVID shot and I never got sick. I'm 60 years old...2 counselor in a Branch...... Army Ranger Paratrooper....
I think that it's a dangerous mindset to think that the prophet and apostles are receiving revelation for every little detail for our lives. If you've got a guy who was a former doctor, and the medical establishment is telling everyone to do something, of course the former doctor will be biased in following the advice and will be influenced by it, especially if that former doctor practiced in the 70s and 80s when the profession was less corrupt.
So why was Nelson not more trusting of the Lord in this issue??? THe mormon church now teaches a mass of CONFUSION! If Nelson and his apostles cannot get right something as simple as the "jab" , something that impacts the entire world, then how can we xpect to believe ANYTHING the church teaches about anything in the future ???? Rusty Mormon Nelson is supposed to be talking to GOD and following GOD about the jab! SO, WHERE WAS THE PRIESTHOOD BACK IN 2021 ?????!?!? Were they simply lounging in their burgundy thrones on a podium , while bowing to the wicked leaders in the US government ???? Nelson led the mormon church membership ASTRAY ...... Bottom Line!! Lesson learned: DO NOT FOLLOW THE PROHET !!!! He is just as confused about " the way" as YOU are. Use your Holy GHost instead , that you got at your baptism. You will be further ahead. You have but one GOd, and He ain't any of your "leaders". Works for me.
I struggled with the church promoting the jab. I wanted to warn people about the dangers of it, as I knew a lot more about it than the average person, but, as soon as the church promoted it, it basically became an obedience and faith in the prophet thing to most people. I no longer felt like I could warn people after that. But I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Im in the church for the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ordinances, which are real. I don't worship the prophet. I respect him. He taught us to hear God, so that's what I did, and i prioritized that over an unofficial recommendation by the church.
NO! That is a LIE !!!! it was OFFICIAL !! signed by the top triumvirate !!!!!!! on oFFICIAL mormon chiurch stationery!!! and read vocally from the podium at mormon church sacrament meeetings !!!!! can't get more OFFICIAL than that !!!
That is exactly how I feel. I will never leave the church because of the book of Mormon and my testimony of Joseph Smith, and of the temple. that’s more than enough to stay in the church.
Member all my life and totally agree with all this brother said. It's you and the Lord, not you and the church. I see the church as a rusty old boat that will help us get to The destination.
I prayed about the JaB and felt it was not the right thing to do. There were a few times when I thought I would have to and it never felt right and whenever I thought I would be forced to something would be done where I never had to. I personally think that the JaB prepared us for what’s to come as we might be forced to do things or choose the Lord or satan’s influences. As we choose to pray and follow the lord and keep covenants as the second coming draws closer we will be protected. I felt the protection I needed when I was told by the spirit to not to get VaXed and as long as I stay strong and in tune with the spirit I can be strong enough to say no to the adversary and be protected from what’s to come.
And fellow members of HIS TRUE CHURCH, remember ALSO that each of US RECEIVE our answers IN MANY WAYS, HE COMES TO US DIFFERENTLY DUE TO OUR OWN UNIQUE PERSONALITIES AND ABILITIES TO UNDERSTAND, one will HEAR IN THE WAY THAT REACHES HIM /HER, someone else hears/follows with the same SPIRT but, just differently. I hope you can understand what I am saying.
The word forced was a correct choice of words. We fought a battle in heaven for agency. The battle continues on the earth today. Never did I think I would hear our top leaders pushing a government edict. It has been very faith damaging to many.
@@twizzles659 Yes I understand what your saying. I agree, everyone receives their own revelation, which is exactly what I was saying. " As we choose to pray and follow the lord and keep covenants as the second coming draws closer we will be protected" what might be okay for me may not be okay for someone else. The point of my message is I believe the jab was Heavenly Father's way of getting his children to listen and obey before the bigger events happen. Too many people say I am following the prophet, or I am following the science, what about the spirit? The prophet has said many times the only way to survive is spiritual survival so what a better way to test than to see who listens to man vs. who listens to the spirit.
Great interview and great subject. My husband and I always wanted to serve a mission tigether but the list of vaccines that are required to have to be able to serve is crazy! We are not in favor of vaccines and I think we should have the freedom to chose wether we want to be vaccinated or not.
I don't think that people that leave the church are looking for reasons to leave or that they are enemies to the church. The vast majority have found some things troubling from history or from things that leaders have said. Putting people down for leaving is just plain wrong. I don't dislike the church, but I have found some things that don't jive. I love the Lord with all of my heart, but i will not trust men without the spirit. Love your videos. Keep up the great work
The leaders don’t play 4d chess. They were wrong in the advice they gave, plain and simple. People need to stop making absurd excuses for them. This is nothing short of gaslighting.
@@ZionMedia_ I like your channel, I know you're probably trying to walk a fine line here. Bottom line IMO people need to stop putting these men on a pedestal. They're fallible men, there isn't some super secret test they're putting us through to test our faith. They made very bad decisions handling the C0\/1D situation, and they should own up to it but they won't. The membership needs to stop putting these men before Christ and realize they can't rely on them for their salvation.
YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT YOU ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET. Our alleged "leaders" whom we regard as our idols really, were not guilty of gaslighting; they were guilty of EVIL.......plain and simple, as well as COWARDICE, and leading us ASTRAY, as well as falsely casting themselves as true "prophets, seers, and revelators", unable to see beyond the nose on their face, much less "around corners". You're on your own, folks. We've all got a God, folks, and he ain't Nelson or anyone else claiming to be our teacher or leader. And that fact is becoming increasingly more plain and simple in these trying times.
They were not wrong. Is it possible you were wrong in your interpretation? Did you pray about it to receive your own revelation to confirm? Our counsel from President Nelson several years ago (before the pandemic) was to make receiving personal revelation a priority and that it would be necessary for our spiritual survival. We have not been asked to blindly follow the prophet's counsel on church policy. Remember, this was a policy decision, not a doctrinal one--though many people struggled to see the difference. We each need to be spiritually prepared to receive and follow personal revelation from God. We do not let the prophet, or anyone else do that for us. We must not abdicate our responsibility for our own spiritual welfare. The church was likely backed into a corner. The most important work going on is the gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil. That means temples must stay open and missionaries must be able to serve. Government was requiring vax in order for this to happen and thus, the message needed to be in line with the Gov't. Who knows what else could have happened to the church? It's like when President Woodruff issued the Manifesto. Neither option was ideal, but shown what would happen, he chose that which would allow the church to survive for the salvation of man and more important battles. So it may be that President Nelson saw the outcome if we fought against the vaccine and that was worse. Be careful how you judge! Exercise your faith.
@@adamcarlini5195why are you assuming I’m not exercising faith? Exercise faith in who? The president of the church? The leadership? Men that are fallible? No, I will not exercise faith in them, I will exercise faith in Christ and seek my own personal revelation, which I did. The problem here is people assuming that every statement made by the leadership, whether it’s the president, one of the twelve etc…is without error. The church leadership CAN be wrong, and in this case they absolutely were. With respect, your explanation here is just more mental gymnastics, it absolves them of any responsibility and wrong doing, and it’s perpetuating a very dangerous type of mentality.
I feel the same way; our promises and covenants are with Heavenly Father. Having faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Not your bishop, not your relief Society president. Or you’re smart Alec next-door neighbor that likes to ridicule you on every single thing that you do, but goes to church on Sunday.
Like you, I have not been vaccinated for anything since early teens. (did have tetanus shot twice to go to foreign countries) I am 77 and never had covid or flu. A few colds and had strep throat 3 times. I work at a temple and people asked me if I got vaccine and I said I dont get them. Got accused of being disobedient. I quit answering the question. Several of my faithful friends in Utah did not get it and two of them were my bishop and his wife and fam of many kids. Id love to hear your wifes advice. Also did not wear masks or stay in. Then Pres Nelson said, "counsel with your doc and with the Lord and do what is right for you.
Yes, it was wrong. I'm just lucky I listened to the Holy Ghost and didn't get it.but I did loose my job (but my client had the right to refuse, and he did). I sold my house and moved. Got frowned upon in the church (now I'm selective on what i participate in). Still live in a tent (but managed to purchase some land, growing my own food. And now preparing for the nemenhah prophecies to come true (getting more visitations from nativeAmericans in the night). It's been a blessing in disguise.
Thank you Brother Poli for your testimony and for sharing it. My husband and I did not get the jab. I still can’t understand why we were encouraged to get it. Blessings everyone 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
We have friends in the church that haven't been back since the jab was urged. The prophet should have known. They can't forgive him. We didn't get it but we are still faithful. We relied on the Spirit and not on the arm of flesh.
. Pres. Nelson was a doctor, abs like all in the medical field, the fall for what the medical community says. I don't believe hecwas speaking as a the prophet
I’m married with 2 little girls. At the time contractors were having to get the jab I did not want to do it. But risking not having insurance and paying the bills was not a good situation to be in. My contracting company put out their own deadline to get it or be let go. I waited until the last day hoping it would go away but it didn’t. I got the one and done shot (Johnson n Johnson) which I hated. The next month it was dropped and contractors didn’t have to get it anymore. It pissed me off. It concerned me about the church pushing for the jab. But I quickly got over it. Whether the Lord let Pres Nelson act on his own about this or if the church was pressured, it did not matter. I prayed about it many times and got the feeling and thought that the Lord has reasons for everything and to just have faith in His plans and follow the His kingdom here on earth. Pres Nelson is still the prophet God called for us. He is not perfect be we need to have faith and follow like the Lord has said.
If it is any consolation, my doctor who practices integrative medicine, says that the J and J is the safe shot. He believes it was pulled from the market so that the data could not be compared with the other 2 companies shots. He recommended the J and J shot until it was pulled. Now he doesn’t recommend any.
I agree with you so much. You are right. I also wonder those who did get it because they thought they were obedient and got very ill or died....or have caused damage...a lady in my ward was paralyzed for months Those are some pretty hard consequence's for thinking you are doing right. I thought the medical motto was "do no harm". Just thoughts.
We make our covenants with God, not with the church. Love that! I have made covenants in the temple, in the chapel pew, and in my own home. All are binding and glorious.
“No one will safely navigate the end times without personal revelation!” President Nelson. “Hear Him” also President Nelson “Men should become prophets unto themselves” Joseph Smith When men learn and live correct principles, they govern themselves” also Joseph Smith I don’t know if you know what you are talking about! Following the spirit is following the prophet!!
@@christinechristensen7211 NO, that is not what it means, "IT MEANS THAT WE DO WHAT OUR PROPHET HAS BEEN TEACHING US TO DO SINCE WE RAISED OUR HAND TO FOLLOW HIS COUNSEL: THAT BEING THAT WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO LEARN OF HIM, and TO LEARN HOW TO FOLLOW THAT VOICE< THAT MEANS TO TAKE ALL NEEDFUL THINGS TO HIM/HEAVENLY FATHER IN THE SACRED NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.......EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO "HEAR HIM" not the prophet but HEAVENLY FATHER, THE HOLY GHOST AND OR THE STILL SMALL VOICE.
Another thought just came to me, for those that feel that RMN, was leading members astray???? NOT SO, he did what he did in order to give each LISTENING/HEARING member that opportunity to Take the response to HIM/Heavenly Father, as to what they should or not do!!! IN THAT WAY THOSE LISTENING WOULD make the right decision, it is their own responsibility to HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING SPIRITUALLY, in the way he did it, KEPT THE US GOVERNMENT OFF OF THE BACKS OF THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE is how I see it all? IN FACT as I write this, I just got my own answer as to my OWN CONFUSION as to why HE DID IT IN THE WAY HE HAS DONE........Amen!!! He was LED BY Heavenly Father, to keep the church safe, and continuing to operate. LEAVING those who BASICALLY have had our FIRST TEST IN LISTENING to the Warning RMN gave to us, what he has counseled the whole church, that WE WILL NOT MAKE IF WE DO NOT LEARN TO LISTEN TO THE STILL SMALL VOICES WITHIN US AS WE ASK FOR DIRECTIONS/COUNSEL IN OUR TIMES NOW. THE TESTING HAS BEGUN. I hope that I have explained this in full.....this is what I feel now, and I now understand why RMN did it in the way he did.
It was always a personal choice. I didn’t ever see it any other way. If we are in touch with the spirit we may find ourselves having direction from the spirit that is contrary to a leaders general advice. It’s happened to me
It's happened to many of the women who are the Auxillary Leadership of the Church. They were starting careers outside of the home when the prophet and apostles had been teaching over the pulpit for decades that women should stay home and raise their children.
The correct statement should have been: “We encourage all to remember their body is a temple. Take care of it, follow the word of wisdom, and seek the help and wisdom of wise medical professionals. Let’s unite in increasing our commitment to live healthier lives. Above all else follow the spirit in how to best care for the body the Lord has blessed you with”
I agree as a convert originally and then leaving the church in 2020 and getting rebaptized this year… being in Christ’s church is when I’m happiest, healthiest, and at my best. Many lifetime members take the church for granted. The church that I converted from disfellowshipped me for an interracial relationship and I would hear the “n” word regularly growing up in that church (hardline Baptist in the south.) People just need to take a step back and realize how blessed and privileged they were to grow up in the restored gospel and quit complaining.
My daughter, her mother in law and I all received the same answer when we individually asked WHY. We were told by the Lord it was a test to see who would follow God and who would follow man. Who would pray about it and who would not put the effort required into prayer.
This is a testimony to me that it had to be a matter of prayer. Each family's circumstance is different. Why would some be told to and others not to. We normally don't vaccinate, and we could have kept going with that, but the spirit told us to get the vaccine. Sometimes, our faith has to be tried.
I felt uneasy about it and our family prayed about it and got a clear and resounding No. I risked my nursing career by declining it. I work in Idaho and had a very hard time getting a waiver because LDS people in HR said things like “The Prophet got it.” I didn’t get it and don’t intend to get vaccines ever again.
You had your agency - a CORE religious belief. I hope you'll remember that. It saved my wife (a nurse) despite so many other LDS in the office taking it, and feeling like they had no "religious exemption" after the prophet took it.
Trevor's sister asked, Don't you think that instead of saying "get vaccinated", the prophet should've said to "pray to see if we should get vaccinated"? Well basically he DID say that! There were three different times in 2021 that the First Presidency urged members of the Church to get vaccinated. The first two times (Jan 19th and April 23rd), the First Presidency clearly stated that "Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination"! The third time (Aug 12th) they didn't mention that. But that exclusion didn't render their previous counsel null and void! So any member who rushed out to get vaccinated against their own will, good judgement, and/or inspiration from God did so ignorant of the Church's vaccination policy and the First Presidency's own counsel which was given TWICE the same year as the controversial Aug 12th counsel! So if any members of the Church lost faith over this issue then I suspect they were uninformed of the previous counsel and the Church's vaccination policy - or they didn't value the gospel of Jesus Christ enough long before Covid ever came along. Who knows, maybe the Church has to conform to some political guidelines and maybe that's exactly why Pres. Nelson said in 2018: "in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Spirit".
“Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination.” isn’t the same as “individuals should pray and seek the guidance of the spirit regarding their personal decision to get vaccinated.” Statements in the same press releases such as: “Now, COVID-19 vaccines that many have worked, prayed, and fasted for are being developed” “the Church urges its members, employees and missionaries to be good global citizens and help quell the pandemic by safeguarding themselves and others through immunization” “We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization,” “We’re very hopeful that the general vaccination of the population will help us get ahead of this awful pandemic. It’s hopeful, like the light at the end of the tunnel” “In word and deed, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has supported vaccinations for generations” “We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population” “we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.” “We have prayed often for this literal godsend,” Let’s not gaslight the issue by trying to pretend they did anything but push and recommend to get vaccinated. There isn’t a single reference to “pray about it”. Not one. Then if you want to get into the social media tour promoting it that’s even worse and again no pray about it mentioned. In this podcast We gave them grace and a most likely scenario for what happened here. But don’t cloud the issue with things that didn’t happen.
@@ZionMedia_ You completely missed my point. First of all, I said the First Presidency "basically" said to pray about getting vaccinated because by telling us that we are responsible to make our own vaccination decision, it seems rather obviously implied that they would want us to incorporate prayer in making that decision. But whether they said to pray about it or not is completely beside the point! The point is, 2 out of 3 times in 2021 the First Presidency gave us all obvious counsel to make our own vaccination decisions! They gave us the obvious option to NOT "follow the prophet" on this issue if we didn't feel good about it! And if people would have been aware of that (and/or the Church's vaccination policy in the handbook) then, like me, they would have felt zero "obedient pressure" to get vaccinated. But unfortunately, many people only saw the Aug 2021 counsel and felt compelled to comply beyond their own will and best judgment. I will admit that I found the counsel to get vaccinated very strange and I don't know why they didn't include the "opt-out-option" in their Aug 2021 counsel like they had done previously. But based on the fact that they DID provide the "opt-out-option" twice earlier in the year - and they didn't retract it in Aug 2021 - no one should have felt obediently compelled beyond their will and good judgment to take the Covid vaccine. That's my point.
Brigham Young said he feared for the day when people would just follow the advice of the leaders blindly without seeking the testimony of the spirit. Blind obedience is antithetical to everything taught in the scriptures and the church. I marvel that we (as a church) promote independent thought to the degree we do, but still move forward, relying on the spirit. Must be true.
@@my2cworth4U If that is all you see, then you are not seeing. Do the work necessary to see what is happening beyond what your eyes can see. The Spirit of God is in this church. The work needs money to move forward. There are people to feed, buildings to build and maintain. Wealth and spiritual strength are not mutually exclusive.
I'm currently in bed because I'm allergic to the arm poke shedding. My hub went to church to get set apart and was trained (building scheduler) for an hour and when he came home i didn't think i would react (again!) I don't get to go to church or the temple or grocery shopping or i go down (migraine, exhaustion, bone pain) for 24-72 hrs... it's that bad! 😢 People are still shedding, which is a huge tell tale. My life is completely different because of those that made a choice. Hardest trial of my life. Great video! Great visitor!
@@ZionMedia_ yes it does.. also consider dandelion tea, NAC, Bromeliad and Quercetin, Nattokinaise, and many other. Do a deep dive and find the alternatives.. they are there..
I felt conflict at first when we saw the church response to Vax. After praying about it. I came to same answer of the Lord wants us to ask for ourselves! Because each person is different! My hubby has been through 3 doctors because of sinple info of asking for a cov 1-9 test, which he refused. We need to govern ourselves with the help of heaven and let others' choices NOT affect our own! ❤ 🙏
If the Church had been forced to get vaccinated and then the leaders forced the members to get vaccinated. They are wrong. Their actions are unjust and unconstitutional. The Church should have reported the leaders of the CDC and bring law suit against them for HEPA violations and unconstitutional conduct. In 2021 my Dad and I was diagnosed with COVID-19 Delta Variant and double pneumonia. Sadly my Dad didn't make it. After I was released from the hospital on several occasions a couple of my brothers had verbally attacked me, saying: "If you and Dad had gotten vaccinated, you and Dad wouldn't have been hospitalized and Dad would still be with us today." In defense of my actions I told them: "There's no way any of us could know that." Dad was allergic to the vaccine and nobody would tell him what was in it. All they had told him was the COVID-19 vaccine is similar to the flu shot and the pneumonia vaccine. For this reasoning my Dad said I can't have it because I'm allergic to it. Years before COVID my Dad had taken the flu shot and had received the pneumonia vaccine. Both times he was hospitalized for severe allergic reactions to these medical treatments. My brothers weren't there when it happened because they weren't born yet, or they were too young to remember. My Dad didn't want the vaccine because he wanted to stick around as long as he could for his family. But my brothers weren't done yet. "Aren't you supposed to follow your prophet blindly without questioning their word?" Actually no. Last I checked they DO want us to question what they teach us. They want us to take their words to the Lord, and ask if what they are teaching are not true. So I did. The Lord told me don't get vaccinated at this time. Last I checked God's word comes first. Although bad things have happened, I have a clear conscience about my actions. Because I had brought my concerns to the Lord, He comforted me with His counsel; and my guilt was swept away.
I'm still struggling with president Nelson's urging of the jab! I have such a bad taste in my mouth. There was so much judgement from members saying I wasn't faithful or following the prophet that I'm inactive at this point.
Same here. I've lost church friends over this. Had to test weekly for eight straight months at work. Never got sick once or had any evidence of infection.
This is the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I wish to give you my love and understanding. I'm still active but praying hard for strength and it's still difficult.
Read the scriptures then you’ll know about 4th Nephi - we are not just baby birds that are going to always be fed by our mother bird. It’s about discovery for ourselves
We have lied to certain family members about getting the jab as we have not gotten it. It breaks my heart to see our 4 year old grandson getting all the updated vaccines.
Word for word what I've been saying for years.. wow.. great interview.. These were hard time.. but JUST before the 'jab' was brought forth, our counsel from our prophet was as follows (not a perfect quoter)... "Learn to heard the voice of the Lord.. it way very well save your life". That was by our prophet. When the counsel to get the jab was given.. I went to the Lord in Prayer.. I received my counsel.. I did not get the 'Jab'.. everyone else did.. when I asked by others why I had not gotten the jab, I would ask them if they had prayed about it. They always said.."the prophet said to , so I got the jab".. I would respond with the quote above that the prophet also asked us the hear the voice of the Lord and that it could very well save our lives. The response would be, that they would just shrug their shoulders and walk away. We must learn to know the Lord personally. and counsel with Him directly. Always counsel with the Lord directly.. Lehi did! and he was lead away from Jerusalem..
It's interesting on some comments I read with Watcher Palmer during this time. So many prayed and got the answer "yes" "NO" but most got "it does not matter". And decided on their own.
The happy people of 4th Nephi (3:35) were able to live that way because the wicked were purged in the calamities before the Savior's coming. That's why we will be able to live like that in the millennium, because the world will be purged of Telestial people, and only Terrestrial and Celestial people will remain.
I sometimes wonder about the "corporate" side. Look at the new communications person. No more patriotic music or Pioneer music during July with the choir. You barely hear the Savior mentioned in the "Spoken word" part of the program. That is a HUGE shift that is obvious. All this fluffy pre-recorded walking in a garden is far from the live broadcast.
I was very shaken up when President Nelson got his shot so publicly. Devastated. I had been a member almost 40 years and never doubted. But I felt almost as strongly about vaccines because I had prayed about that issue as well and got my answers. So if I was fooled about this was I fooled about the other as well? I got over that quite quickly because I had lived 'the LDS way' all this time and that can't be undone that easily. Of course I tried to figure out the why. Not particularly successfully. But at the end of the day there is just too much evidence for the reality of God and no other church has as many answers as this one. And of course there is the Book of Mormon ... I'm at peace with it now. One day, if I still want to know, I will find out.
"We must separate the administration and spiritual parts of the church" So we just turn a blind eye to the church's acceptance of aɓoŕtìon, transgenderism, homosexuality, Vax, etc? Do we accept all of those things because we need missionaries in the field? When are we going to demand that the church rescind it's promotion of the covid vax?
I have been a member over 40 years. I was only 16; and on the first lesson I believe. It was as if the veil parted and it all sounded familiar. I actually asked heavenly father about taking the vaccine. I have a lot of respect for President Nelson and I feel that his position was not to bring controversy to the church as a whole.
Profits have been fooled in the past. It isn’t beyond belief that they could be fooled now and in the future. Mistakes have been made. Mistakes will continue to be made.
Asking God was never stated or implied by RMN. He was the "prophet." He knew people would look to him to get the advisement from God. He used his position to get members to take it. He did a photo op., and told members that this was safe, effective and a Godsend. CLEAR AS DAY! Are they now trying to backtrack? The damage has already been done. It made me realize that the Church had been infiltrated by secret combinations as well. They knew exactly what they were doing!
We are encouraged to "Hear Him", to pray to Heavenly Father, build a relationship/connection to God and Jesus Christ, not the leaders of the Church. We need to tune into the spirit. We need to learn things for ourslef. there is a reason the GOLD PLATES ARE NO LONGER ON EARTH AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO KNOW...PRAY!
Did you read the statement the first presidency published? He specifically stated it was a personal decision and to also consult your own doctor. He’s also made it clear for us to receive personal revelation. For me the statement urging us to get it was a clear compliance to government so we didn’t get shut down. Most people lost their dang mind because they fell for the fear tactics
@@gingermcgovern5682 yup.. I really feel that the church was pressured by the government or the church would be shut up, temples closed, and missions stopped.. I believe that thru the spirit, personal revelation, we would know what was right for us, even if it meant to sacrifice our very lives by taking the jab.. But we each had to search the spirit to know for ourselves.. All the photo ops were a sacrifice.. all the jabs taken by the prophets made them sick too, but were to keep the church open for us and for the Lord. Some were required to sacrifice and get the jab.. some were not.
There are definitely people who have infiltrated our church that are on the side of the enemy, but I do not for one second believe any of the brethren to be a Gadianton robber. I agree with other comments in this section. We were told to learn to hear God repeatedly by the prophet before any of this happened. The work must go forward and they were very likely under threat from dear old big brother. That’s when we’re meant to cry out to God and ask Him…is this true?
The question is: Are you willing to give your life for The Lord? Are we not suppose to give everything we have to the Lord, even our whole life? If we die from taking the vaccine, we die for being obedient. Will we not get blessed beyond all measure for doing so? Don't we have missionaries who are sent out into countries that are more dangerous than the United States? Isn't there a small few who are killed, while serving there? Is The Church no longer true because of that? There was an important reason why the Prophet asked us to get the vaccine, at the time, because it wasn't him asking, it was the Lord. Do we not have enough faith to believe that The Savior can protect us for being obedient? You may also remember that the Prophet never said that we should take the boosters. Members do not remember how hard the U.S. Government came down on the in past years, to the point of taking away our buildings, and lands, and putting many of our leaders in prison. The Prophet can see around corners, and prevent many calamities from coming down on The Church, which would hinder the work from going forward. If my taking of the shot caused, or will cause, me to die, but would allow The Church to bring salvation to thousands, or hundreds of thousands, I will have great joy in the Spirit World. Please put things in perspective.
A point not made was the fact that the Lord has said, "My people must be tried in all things that they may be prepared to receive the glory I have for them." Also, we will be tried even as Abraham was tried. How do we know the prophet was not doing as the Lord commanded him, regardless of his personal feelings, so that His people could be tried in all things? Meaning that whatever decision we made while listening to the spirit, our testimonies remain in tact. And contention never became an issue but rather love for all saints no matter the decision to get the shot.That is the test! Not whether we got the shot or not. D&C 112: 23-26 The Lord talks about cleaning house and starting with the members first. I teach the Elders Quorum and more than year ago I told them there would be fallout from this vaccine issue that would try the saints. I did not get the shot. I am as strong in my faith today as I ever have been. I studied the issue, reread many times the letter issued to the members from the first presidency, read the HOI and fasted and prayed. Then I considered the counsel to follow the spirit, ask questions and research the issue. Elder Gong wrote my wife and I that the choice was ours after listening to the spirit. No indication was made that we were being unfaithful by not getting the shot and that was our concern.
Anyone else feel like they are being gaslit when they hear members (in the face of all the urging from top leadership) explain that the leaders' admonitions to pray and follow the Holy Ghost were really just a wink wink to not get the jab, unless of course it was a test, and some members were just needed on the other side of the veil??
Yeah, my sister died from the v, and it isn't funny nor a little test or teasing for me. She left her 5 year old daughter in the same day she finished kindergarten. Now, a long with another sister we watch her often due to her dad being a single dad. Not fair to all of us. Trust is a word that should never be taken lightly ever again.
@MommaCrissa so sorry about your loss. Sadly, both my dad and sister got turbo cancers soon after the jab. Thank God I still have my sister around. My dad passed within a month. If any good has come out of this, I see it as a tender mercy that the Lord has made it abundantly clear to those with eyes to see that all is not well in Zion. D&C 64:32-39. God bless!
@@petertaylorpedroThank you for your comment and sympathy. I too am sorry for your dad's loss and the turbo cancers of suffering placed on them! And not a word said from leaders as if it is not happening. I opened up those verses, they are so great, thank you. Yes, we surely will know at some point of Zion who was a true prophet and who was not. I certainly think the myopic talk P. Nelson gave was not a good word. To me it was saying, don't worry about loosing your dad granddaughter it's so small in the scheme of things. I understand that death is part of life, that we will loose many, but isn't there heartache too and that we should appreciate and celebrate that persons life? Or that we should just get over it and it's just a small thing...myopic. I don't know if I'm making sense, but I have found scripture that Jesus is "the prince of life"! He was resurrected but he also was saying a murderer wanted him to die, not live. Doesn't he want us to be translated, to live, to look towards him and live! That we should look for that, not death. That heading towards Zion's mystery is finding translation? But, I feel pres. Nelson doesn't mind if we die. That we aren't looking to be part of Zion at all. We are so used to saying that "we all will die", but is that really what God wanted for us? Look at Enoch's people and Melchizedek's people. They were so righteous that they lived. So to me life should not be myopic, it should be as a treasure given to us. I don't know how else to explain it, but even to the church we are a people of death which has become a pit in my stomach. We should even call Jesus the Prince of Life! Thanks for letting me talk.
@MommaCrissa I love it, the Prince of life! And yes, the church simply seems to do whatever it takes in order to preserve itself, even if that means buddying up to those in Babylon's great and spacious building. For me, I'll stay myopicly focused on Christ, and if translation flows from that, even better!
You mean like Abinadi was forced to recant? Or like Alma and Amulek were forced to renounce their words to the people in the city of Amonihah? Or like Jesus was forced to go back on his teachings?
@@t5l239 nor do they prophesy accurately, see accurately, or revelate accuratey.....if at all !!! quod erat demonstrandum ! i too am a leader in the mormon church. and i do not apologize either...........taking Oak's course of direction !!!
The leaders are not going to make the church and it’s members a target by refusing something like this. They want members to make their own choices. I worked very hard against all of this. I was willing to quit my job over it. The thing that really got to me was when schools, museums, parks, churches and libraries were closed yet liquor stores, dispensaries and in AZ, strip clubs were allowed to be open. Although we believe in sustaining the law of the land, we are also asked to use our own discernment. I exercised this. My brother opted to get his family vaccinated. We just agreed to disagree, because each of us exercised our own free agency. My sister did not want the vaccine, but got one in order to keep her job and she has suffered many ill effects since then. My brother does not think there’s any correlation. Another hard thing to deal with is the way some people were treated for not following the forced protocol. One of the purposes of all of this was to divide us, and we passed with flying colors. I have a lot of anger and resentment about this because my father was forced into the ICU and ventilated and died on Valentine’s Day the day after my sons wedding. I wish I would’ve removed my dad from that Hospital and I have a lot of guilt about that. None of us could’ve known. In spite of many of us, learning lessons, there are many, that will go into the panic state again if they were told to.
I'm 46. I had a quadruple bypass last year. I was in good shape, ate reasonably well, and didn't have a family history of heart disease. I DID get the jab. I don't know if the jab caused or accelerated my blockages, but I think it might have. In hindsight, I wouldn't have got the vaccination.
I was at an all LDS dinner toward the end of the lockdowns. During our discussion after dinner I made it known that the spirit warned the members not to take the shot. There was an outporing of anger toward me as those in attendance related that they had family members and friends die shortly after taking the shot, that it was the sacrifice that the Lord required of them to follow the prophet. ?! * Isaiah 6: 9 And he said, Go, and say to these people, Go on hearing, but not understanding; Go on seeing, but not perceiving. 10 Make the heart of these people grow fat; dull their ears and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and be healed. 11 And I replied, For how long, my Lord? And he said, Until the cities lie desolate and without inhabitant, the houses without a man, and the land ravaged to ruin.
My concern is when leaders in the Church go in front of cameras getting the jab what message is that sending? It’s a strong message. It’s certainly not neutral in my mind. What do you think?
I immediately cancelled our subscriptions to ALL mormon publications when I saw rusty mormon nelson taking his jab in the church news ack in 2021. That paper is also becoming increasing leftist and worldly in its views.
@@MrBillmechanic We didn't renew our church magazine subscriptions, but then they continued to show up. I wondered if someone had renewed and paid for our subscription, but then they announced that they would now be free. Makes good recycling material.
There is only one God, one Jesus and one Holy Spirit, but many prophets. Just pray, ponder and read the scriptures. You will know in every part of your being the truth and the path you must travel. Thank you for this video.
I was converted by the First Vision when 16. I was Presbyterian, prayed, believed that Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were two beings, father and son. First vision was 2nd discussion and I felt it was true. Elders asked me to pray about and encouraged me how to pray. They said to show gratitude for my blessings, repent, and then tell God i believed it and ask for confirmation. I received my answer immediately and it was astonishing. I called them in morn and told them I wanted to be baptized. My parents supported my decision. I am now 77 and have never had a doubt. Work in the temple.
Love it!! What an cool experience
Thanks for sharing.
God is there to anyone looking for his truth. Though none close to the truth the Church had, without the witness of the Holy Ghost no one got to know it. Testimony so important.
Beautiful testimony!
My choir just filmed this video in Palmyra on the back side of the Sacred Grove, so I thought I'd share since I can tell the First Vision means a lot to you. It's a special arrangement of Joseph Smith's First Prayer that takes you on a musical journey through his entire experience. I think it's so powerful!❤
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i am converted over and over every time I bear testimony of Joseph Smith having been visited by God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. This event never gets old. It’s a spirit-grabber. And then I have my own Jesus experience wherein He loves me so much, unspeakable, I need him. I have Him. The best part of bearing testimony is that the Angels in heaven are recording it and are rejoicing and my sins are forgiven. By repetition I can say that I know scientifically that God is real and forgiveness through the Savior is real. It is scientific because there is a repeatable method always with the same result.
Our family are LDS(back to Joseph Smith). NEVER has anything the leaders say been blindly followed by the family. Common sense is always considered.
I always say NO ONE can know everything about everything AND shouldn’t have to . It never bothered me that the prophet got the vax . He was 96 and decided it was best . My oldest daughter has a serious blood clotting problem and We decided against it and that was that . We also understood that the Church was international and that caused pressure from other governments also . No sense letting these things ruin your testimony .
and a loud ahmen !!!!!! that's exactly what we do in our lds famly. never trust a so-called "prophet" unless you have first consulted God , and yourself as well !!
@@MrBillmechanic - Russel Nelson is the Lord's mouthpiece. There is not so called prophets in the Lord's church - we have THE LORD'S PROPHETS. And there is nothing he said that was misleading if people used the spirit and a few braincells.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo He surely was not speaking for the Lord when he encouraged the vax and wrote the letter. Not even close.
@@Jeanie-nv7loright, pray. About it and make sure you get the right answer!!!
Cool it’s finally okay to talk about this 4 years later.
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YES! The Church was forced to push the jab! Who wasn't? I chose not to!
"Forced" in what way? I thought prophets stood against evil, even unto death? Or is that just fairy tale now?
More honest answer: Nelson was flat wrong. He led everyone astray. He's not a prophet.
No, they were not. Russell M Nelson is Skull and Bones Owl and Key Bonesman, communist led United Nations lackey. He mentions his involvement in Skull and Bones Owl and Key in his own autobiography. And the millions each year that they give to the communist led United Nations and this year, they gave the greatest Satanical threat to freedom peace and the spread of God's work $1.3 billion dollars plus another few million dollars to them. All they are doing is aiding and abetting the enemies of liberty so the beast, the UN, has power over every nation, kindred, tongue and people! No one is forced to do anything. But of course Mr Skull and Bonesman anti-Christ warned you that you would die spiritually without the guiding directing comforting and constant influence of the Holy Ghost April 1st, 2018. So he's alright, he warned you as all good followers of Satan do.
I work for a railroad company and we were given a deadline of January. I can’t remember the exact year to get the vaccine. We were also given a I think it was $800. If we got the vaccine they put out a survey of how many people were going to get the vaccine or risk losing their job because it was it was a federal law that Biden put in, and the railroads were freaking out about how many people were not going to get the vaccine because a lot of people did not want it. they said they weren’t gonna fire us, but we’re gonna put us on a board that didn’t work and that they would train us or give us additional information before they would take the ultimate step of probably firing we we will never know because the law got dropped two weeks before the deadline. I had mine scheduled because I couldn’t risk it with my I have a heart transplant daughter, and so I need insurance so I was scheduled to do it the last minute and two weeks before the deadline they dropped the law requiring federal contractors, which include the railroads to have the vaccination. Those union meetings were some of the meetings I’ve ever been at because grown men were crying about losing their 20-30 year career over a vaccine that no one wanted.
This is how ridiculous the doctors were, though. My daughters heart doctor told her not to get the vaccine because they have no idea how it will react with heart transplants and told us the same thing. My doctor grilled me for not getting the vaccine without knowing anything else so the communication gap was so big between the medical field and it really Showed the sheep from the people that are actually trying to be a doctor
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I'm so glad it worked out for you and your family! I was told not to get it. My Dr actually agreed with what I was doing and told me to keep on doing that! I'm 71.
I love your doctor. He’s a rare one
The Prophet told us earlier..
HEAR HIM. Im not saying that people didn't pray about the vaccine but I know we will need people on both sides of the veil and He has a place for all of us.
@@franciegwin Your Doctor is a competent medical professional
In January 2022, I (and many others) received an invitation to the J. Reuben Clark Law School annual fireside with this bullet point heading the list of “notes” for attendees: “Masks are required; attendees must be vaccinated.”
This is just one instance of the spirit of coercion that many experienced and that some succumbed to in order to participate in Church and college / university events. Is our memory so short that we don’t remember other exclusions and condemnations of the un-vaccinated for failing to love their neighbors? That the JRCLS would be complicit in this spirit of coercion was beyond disappointing.
Yeah that’s gross and beyond disappointing
To attend a BYU football game and other sports you have to show proof of vaccination. If you worked at that MTC in Provo without the gene therapy you were nicely asked to resign. MoTab also require the JaB, they even did a medical case study on them with their information consent or knowledge. Henry J Eyring said at a BYU devotional you weren’t valiant if you didn’t get it….. and the list goes on.
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Drunkards of Ephraim. Such coercion was not of heaven, but of hell.
The church nor BYU ever required it.
All members of the Tabernacle choir were forced to take it if they wanted to stay a member of the choir. Missionaries were coerced to take it if they were serving out of the country. And those serving here in the U.S. were definitely pressured.
So many members who received the very strong answer from the spirit to NOT take the shot were accused of being less spiritual for not following the prophet. The church requiring masks was horrid. As a preschool teacher of 20 years seeing the little ones at church with the face muzzles on was disturbing to me.
I truly worry that the church will never stand up to government but will always be soft and just go along.
The only thing that brings peace to my heart is that so many were awakened during that whole nightmare and now see more clearly that our leaders are not perfect and are turning more fully to the Lord and relying on Him for guidance. It is nice to not feel so alone when you hear of others who have awakened.
🥲 yeah it was a hard time. Sure made me realize the importance of trusting the spirit and not the arm of flesh. 🙏🏻
💯 True! Thank you for voicing this truth. This experience woke me up to see more clearly the actual gospel of Jesus Christ vs tradition or culture. It lead me to seek my Savior and my God.
The “Bride” will Never fight the Battles. it’s not “her” responsibility. Her job is to preach: faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. And to prepare for the “wedding feast” ie temple construction.
I took vaccine but I went trough hell physically and mentally after and even now years later I feel my health got lots worse because of it
@@MichaelSalineThe wedding feast to me is the Millennium.
I didn’t need to pray about it. I saw the evidence and knew what the truth was. It bothered me tremendously that the Church was speaking what seemed to lies. All I can do is leave it in God’s hands, and hope that someday it will make sense.
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Excellent conversation! Yes the flights were delayed and cancelled because the flight crews got sick. Pilots died or had career destroying adverse reactions: they can no longer pass their flight physicals. My husband just retired from flying in Jan. We didn't get the vax. The govt tried to force the pilots to comply. He, along with most pilots in his company were ready to walk. It literally came down to one week and the govt backed off. There is still a shortage of pilots. It will take years to recover. We had ward members die. We had members leave the church. My relationship is with God. Pres Nelson tried to warn us to rely on the Spirit. We did. But it wasn't a comfortable situation with the pressure from some ward members! Shame on THEM for what they did to those of us who listened to the first directive the prophet gave us "HEAR HIM". He didn't say "hear me."
Great point. It is a black eye on all who shamed and pressured others.
Very well said
There you go, another of the many confirmations that pilots are getting sick or dropping dead because...
YES.... HEAR HIM.. great catch.. you did just what the prophet said.
When Nelson issued the statement to get the jab, he said it was safe and effective. That was a lie, but you excuse his lie because he had said to follow the Spirit. They shamed those of us who followed the Spirit and didn't get the jab.
Fabrizio, your conversion story is virtually exactly like mine.. I am also English and did my own search through many churches and different religions for many years, and as soon as I made accidental contact with the missionaries I knew they held the truth and was baptized after asking Heavenly Father himself if this Church was true and His reply was "You need never be afraid of anything you see or hear in this Church, for it is a true".
My family were never vaccinated too for the same reason as you..
Love this Church...
YOUR STORY AS WELL AS THIS SPEAKER IS ALSO ALMOST EXACTLY AS MINE......BLESSINGS BROTHER.
In our family we did not take the snake bite. There was quite a bit of contention in our ward over the C word, and our bishop had to tell everyone to mind their own business. We have two boys that both became autistic the SAME day they got their childhood V’s. I was in the military and long story short, I will never let another needle touch my body. We used the evidence before us to gather information. We prayed to know if the decision we made was wrong and we didn’t feel anything in the contrary. Fast forward a few months after the V came out I was having self doubt - maybe I was wrong. I think if we don’t question we aren’t open to learn. So I was questioning it and I thought maybe it wouldn’t hurt to get it just in case. I didn’t talk to anyone about it but God knew my struggle. I had a dream which I will not share here but I have shared with some people. That dream taught me that I know when the Spirit speaks to me and that I must never doubt Him! We know what we know and we must not let man discourage us.
I received my answer for the V as well... and then with pressure, doubted my answer. I went to the Lord a total of 3 times and he finally sent my answer via a physical angel (a priesthood holder I hold in high regard). I finally felt peace and it even showed in my countenance (people told me). Trying to do better at trusting my answers.
Have you heard of reversing autism in children by detoxing them of heavy metals? I've watched several interviews with parents who have had successful stories.
@@cjolley3341 Amen! Very similar circumstances for us! God bless!
@@michcamilocan you share a link? My grandson is severely autistic after being vaccinated when he was a year old. He's now 16. 😢
Took the jab because the church suggested we take it.Sorry I did.
The church didn't suggest it. They called it a commandment in a worm-worded letter to members. We were all fooled by evil men.
Not suggesred; URGED.
Glad you guys covered this. Seriously it needed to be discussed and put out there, as so many had different feelings on what they should do. Thank you. 💗
We agree!
Mike Leavitt is an advisor to the Church and he worked for WHO . He was also pressuring the Church to please the UN and the WHO . For those that don’t know Leavitt ( former Utah governor) was the president of the choir for years . He has a lot of “advising “ power .
I heard that Levitt was in the church admin office with a slew of officials making the case….great intel Tom.
Just jumping in to correct a few inaccuracies in your post. Mike Leavitt is actually the CURRENT president of the Tabernacle Choir. The First Presidency called him to that position in the summer of 2021. At the time they wanted the choir to start coming back to do live performances once more, but apparently the First Presidency wasn't satisfied with then-president Ron Jarrett's way of doing it, because they released him as choir president and called Mike Leavitt instead.
Mike Leavitt quickly implemented a "Swiss cheese" protection plan that involved mandatory vaccination, contact tracing, and testing before every rehearsal.
This is well documented on the Deseret News stories from 2021 - go back and read those again.
My conclusion is that the First Presidency clearly wanted mandatory vaccination in the choir - that's precisely why they called Mike Leavitt to that position.
amazing how a prophet seer and revelatory can't see, or prophesy, or reveal direction from God. He instead gets led astray by men. The sure mark of a prophet indeed.
@@saa8488 Who says he can't see, or prophesy or reveal direction from God?! We have MUCH evidence to the contrary! Our counsel from President Nelson several years ago (before the pandemic) was to make receiving personal revelation a priority and that it would be necessary for our spiritual survival. We have not been asked to blindly follow the prophet's counsel on church policy. Remember, this was a policy decision, not a doctrinal one--though many people struggled to see the difference.
We each need to be spiritually prepared to receive and follow personal revelation from God. We do not let the prophet, or anyone else do that for us. We must not abdicate our responsibility for our own spiritual welfare.
Additionally, in the New Testament, we have promises that if bitten by a poisonous snake it cannot harm us. Of course, if it is our time to go and there is more important work for us to do on the other side of the veil, then we may be called home.
The church was likely backed into a corner. The most important work going on is the gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil. That means temples must stay open and missionaries must be able to serve. Government was requiring vax in order for this to happen and thus, the message needed to be in line with the Gov't. Who knows what else could have happened to the church? It's like when President Woodruff issued the Manifesto. Neither option was ideal, but shown what would happen, he chose that which would allow the church to survive for the salvation of man and more important battles. So it may be that President Nelson saw the outcome if we fought against the vaccine and that was worse.
Exercise your faith!
I felt that the church would be badly recognized, bullied as going against vaccines and the press would be all over it. And that would be most damaging of people accepting the gospel. But we were told to pray about it and that tells you right there that there could be different answers
I’m currently in dental hygiene school & was denied working at the VA. The dental office for the VA allows it - they no longer mandate the jab- but my school is still trying to force it. I’m extremely stressed & lose sleep over it. Please pray for me. I have requirements to meet for state licensure & I’m so worried that I won’t meet them. I prayed about it in 2020 & got the answer not to get it. I won’t let them force me but they could withhold my license.
Always do as the Lord tells you, men make mistakes.
No two ways about it. No matter what. 😊❤🙏🙏🙏
Just trust the Lord, if this door closes for you, that means the Lord has much better plans for you. When I graduated in Finance back in 2008, there was a hiring freeze everywhere, especially within financial institutions. I was so stressed I couldn't find a job. The Lord literally told me I was going to own my own business, which has never been a dream or goal of mine. A few weeks later, my husband and I had an opportunity fall into our laps to buy the business we own today, and they were asking the exact amount we had in savings, which we were saving for a house down payment. We made more money with this business than we would have working for someone else, and we were able to buy our house we live in today just 6 months later. Trust, praise, and follow our Lord because he is good, and he knows you personally. Don't trust or fear man.
Remember that the Lord is in charge. If you are persecuted and driven from society, the Lord will use that to bless you. When the wicked drive out the righteous, it is because the wicked are ripe for destruction. And the righteous must be separated from them at that time. Once the righteous are removed, the wicked have no one to exercise their wickedness upon, but each other.
Stand strong to truth. You will be blessed even if you lose your job. Other avenues will open up for you.
And I told my doc I did not take vaccines and to put that in my file. Also asked him not to ask me again if I wanted the vaccine. He let it go.
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My wife and i did not get the "jab". It was the first time we did not follow the "council of the brethern". I was gobsmacked by the church following the CDC and government on the subject of covid. However my testmony is as strong as ever of the prophet and the 12 , the church being true ,of the Book of Mormon.........all true. No wavering . I dont know the WHY i dont need to know . For all i know it could or would of been worse if they did it the other way. The devils wrath would have come down on them with the world governments, the lying main stream media ,it would have been intense. Which one worse ? ...i dont know .i'm Just living and "enduring to the end"
I was Primary Music Leader when we started coming back to church. The Primary kids were put in the chapel, and the older adults in the RS Room and the youth in the Primary room. That alone was did not make sense. I said that I did not wear masks. My Bishop called me and asked if I would wear a shield over my face to teach music. I said "plastic face shields" were proven to make things worse, and that would be a lie to wear one, and are we not the church who deals in the TRUTH? He relented....I have never experienced such non-spiritual, crazy absurdity at from local church leaders and members. Also he advised not to talk more than 10 min to anyone at church. 9 was OK, 11 - JAIL!
🤣😂 straight to jail!
@GAILandROD bizarre, right. There was a bishop in Utah county that called out a strong family who were sitting in the back.of overflow, for not wearing a mask. They kept coming and ignored him. He overstepped his authority as did some other bishops.
My doctor told me he wouldn't put MRNA in his body. Plus I prayed about it and decided not to get it. Between the two i think i made the right thing.
Great doctor. He’s a unicorn.
Who is your doctor? I need a new one
No one regrets not getting it
Be converted only to Jesus Christ, not to the church, not to the leaders.
Why do they not come clean with so many dead and injured?? The revelation was not from God but he called it a God send??
I feel the same way, I am converted to the gospel of Jesus Christ. Leaders do make mistakes. I am not going to play God and judge them. God will.
Yes, this. Celebrate Jesus Christ more than the current prophet.
Since this is the Church of Jesus Christ restored and lead by His prophet I do not elevate the Savior at the expense of His called prophet by assuming he made a huge mistake as evidenced by the serious repercussions of the jab. I did my due diligence and did not get the shot but wholeheartedly consider Pres. Nelson a man of God and do not ascribe to the theory he made a mistake. I believe He was acting under His direction and that WE are being tested even as Abraham was tested. The test is not, in my opinion, whether we got the shot or not but how we handled this trial.
@perryrush5378 I prayed and asked Heavenly Father why the Brethren made some of the choices they did and the Spirit told me that all of God's children are allowed to use their agency and all will make mistakes because that is part of our experiences here on earth. He allows this, even from His servants. Joseph Smith made mistakes. Prophets in the scriptures made mistakes. They are human. We should follow Jesus Christ. The prophet does not always speak and act as a prophet. The Spirit can help us discern truth from error.
Fabrizio and his family did well to ignore that awful advice we got. I am thrilled to know his wife is a naturopath. She would know that the whole thing was a sham because she would know the truth of how and why we get sick.
I myself went further down this path and discovered of myself that there was nothing to fear about it.
Ha ha! I had to censor myself three times before my post was allowed to be published. Whew!
Fabrizio Poli, I just "happened" upon this podcast. My ears perked up when I heard your name, that you worked as a pilot, and that you are an ordinance worker in the Preston Temple. My mother joined the church when she was almost 13 years old. She was a WW11 bride from Norwich. You and I came across each other a couple of years ago through RootsTech. We are 4th cousins once removed. My mother always felt so alone, thinking no relations were members. It was nice to hear your story and testimony. We only live five minutes from the new Layton Temple and are blessed to go often.
My mother was also a War Bride WWII. She and dad met at a red cross dance, she was in the WAAF and he was in England and Ireland with the CTC. My mother was the only member in her family, she joined at 18. She never found any cousins, but I have since found a line that left Belfast and moved to Utah.
My experience was the same. I did not hear “get the vaccine” but I heard “pray to know what’s best for you.” I had already received my answer to not get vaccinated. But when I shared with others my decision, I too was made to feel like I was not following a prophet of God. I now tell others - after prayer - do what makes you “feel safe” and give others the right to do the same. We can coexist ❤
The way the church handled COVID-19 was very disappointing. Making members believe that the prophet recieved revelation that we should get the jab was simply wrong. Me and my family chose to not follow the world and refused the jab, one of yhe best decisions I've made
Now that you've seen they lie, take some time and discover the under-the-surface-iceberg of lies they've perpetrated over the last nearly 200 years. It's been one lie after another.
I was very disappointed that the church encouraged the jab. My family did not get it.
The church did not encourage any specific jab (from the top) - no doubt there were many local tyrants exuding their so called power to coerce local members to do what they thought was correct.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo uhhh...Straight from the first presidency..."To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.”
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Woah, why do you think these local leaders did what they did then? Because the first presidency and the quorum of the 12 apostles all agreed and said they did it because it seemeth good to the holy ghost, thus invoking scripture to back up there errant opinion.
@@prepperboy4938 - uhhh.. I know what the letter said. Now go and do research and find out the definition of that v word. I was vaccinated with earthen materials and I followed the prophet perfectly. If members didn't do their own research and study it out in their hearts and minds, it's on them.
@@madvinmryk - these local leaders did what they did because they were mini tyrants. The prophet never told them to do it. The prophet did not officially send that letter to be read from pulpits. It was local leaders who put words in the prophets' mouths. Mini tyrants who will be held accountable to God. That letter was so well worded. Words matter, grammar matters. If members did not do their due diligence and study it in their hearts and minds... and if they put the opinion of other family, friends and church members above the spiritual communications they may have been receiving, that is all on their head. As for the answer given by Elder Renlund - that it "seemeth good to the Holy Ghost" - you may want to listen to the rest of his answer on that topic. There was differing views on the topic with the Brethren.... the letter was what the Lord told them to send out and it gave enough room for both choices - take Amlici poy-son or get v'd in other ways that were healthy. The Brethren did not push any specific thing... it was individual members who put value and meanings to different words in that letter and their choice was all personal.
Forced? No...they could have stood up and not given in to the government. Most didn't. Nor did most stand up when they were being told to close their churches.
I prayed on my side and received clear guidance not to get the jab… looking at the explosion of turbo cancers and heart attacks in the young people, I don’t regret it… I regret my family to have followed the instructions without asking for themselves…I hope they will be ok…
Same same same 🥲
Abouth half of my family got it and ther other half refused......
@@twizzles659 - all of our family got it except my little family. We are now the black sheep of the family more than ever. True colours were shown by all. We look forward to finding new family in the millennium, as we have been ousted by ours - and it's ok.
My sister got every jab and booster and is now dealing with thyroid cancer and tumor in her uterus.
@@michcamilo sorry to hear that. Love is the only cure to fear.
Fabrizio Poli and I think a lot alike. I was also asked by perticular members of a 90% vaccinated congregation if I believed in following the Prophet. I said, yes. I do. So why have you not been vaxxed? Because I believe in following Christ before I follow the Prophet. When the Prophet speaks as a Prophet, then I need to pray for a testimony of what he is saying and then follow his counsel. When the prophet speaks as a doctor, then I listen to his medical advice. I also study it out in my mind, researching and getting sufficient information to make a decision. Then I take that to my Heavenly Father and ask him for confirmation if I have made a correct decision. I elected to not, and I feel that was the correct decision for me and my family.
Smart. Follow the Spirit
Up until Covid appeared, President Nelson spoke often about personal revelation and how we should learn how to receive it ourselves. When President Nelson got his shot, I went back and forth about whether I should get the vaccine. As I prayed about it, I felt strongly that I should not get it and I felt at peace with my decision as I was striving to gain personal revelation
The church is true regardless‼️🙏🏻
This was a great missionary story. The guest doesn't have an agenda. He is just telling his story, and it feels real and good.
Agreed. Total stud
I lost most of my relationships with my children and grands cause I refused to get vaccinated.😢
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Oh so sad, 😢 .. one daughter out of our 7 children has taken every shot & booster they've recommended. She's constantly sick now with colds and flus. I'm praying she does not get some form of heart damage or turbo C. as you say. She lives in constant fear of "catching something" whenever she ventures out. We unvaxxed go about our regular hum-drum lives with no fear. I'm curious what new 🤔 plandemic will rear its ugly head next... (?)
I’m anti vaxxed‼️ it’s between me and my Heavenly Father. No one can force me to inject anything into my body, that I’m not sure of, or don’t feel good about‼️
I also wanted to mention that I was working for a company contracted by the church at the time cleaning on of its buildings. The protical and procedures of what to do when there was a positive case in the building was literally and scientifically ineffective. The sickness came, and was gone long before I was allowed to deep clean. My boss, knew this and told me that it was unneccesary I had to do the super clean once I got the go ahead, but the church has a lot of enemies. I wasn't cleaning to kill the bug, i was covering the churches legal behind. That was it. I had to take pictures of what I was doing and document a lot of stuff. It was all legal nonsense. It did nothing to protect those who entered the building.
Wow 😮
The 'world' has no faith, and sometimes we have to appease our enemies while 'in the way'. Matthew 5:25
Hygiene theater.
The cleaning products used made me ill. I had to keep walking outside to clear my lungs
When i prayed to get it or not to get it, i was simply and dramatically told "wait "
His conversion is similar to mine except when I was 14 years old, I felt like I had lived before I was born but couldn't explain why. I didn't know of any Christian churches that taught that so instead I thought "well, maybe I was reincarnated". Fast forward to age 25, I was driving to work and wondering and talking to God and saying "is this all there is to life, you wake up, get a piece of paper (diploma), get a job and die? There must be more". Two weeks later I met the missionaries at my work, later they came to teach me, asked me to read the Book of Mormon, I read every assignment they asked me to. When they shared the Plan of Salvation and the pre-mortal existence, I flipped out and then a young man who was on splits with them asked me to read Alma 32, I read it and was baptized within a couple of days. Back then it took about 6 weeks to finish the lessons I finished mine in 4 weeks and was baptized, I even bore my testimony before I was baptized. When you know it's true, you know it's true. I've been a member for 46 years now. My husband and I also felt that the reason the 1st presidency was "urging" people to get the jab was because they were being pressured by outside forces and so that missionary could continue to go forward around the world. This was an excellent video, thank you to your guest for coming on!
Great story! Love it
Thanks for this discussion guys. My wife and I are active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and did not get the covid vax. The church is very active throughout the world in the vaccine giving arena. In fact the church has millions of dollars invested in the vaccine industry. But we were definitely shaken to the core when Russell M Nelson urged the saints to get vaccinated.
From Primary onward we sing the song 'Follow the Prophet'. We are told he will never lead us astray. So being indoctrinated with this idea our whole lives was shaken when this covid thing came around. During the 2019-2024 period we have done a tremendous amount of research into vaccines, It is now obvious that some of the Brethren from the highest levels to the least made a big mistake over this. We have been woken up. Each of us have sole responsibility for our own salvation/exaltation, not the Prophet. There are many followers in this world all wanting someone else to tell them what to do. I guess I am a rebel.
I worked for the church in the corporate side for many years and while there are many great and righteous people in it, there are also wicked unlearned people, that work there way up the corporate ladder who should not be there. It was through this experience I did a deep dive into the field of Freedom and what it means and the responsibility that requires. I left church employment because of the evil controls that was placed on us.
We also experience segregation at church due to being unvaccinated. Separate sacrament meetings were held. Right or wrong we did not attend these meetings. We had our own church at home. This segregation was also a freedom issue for us.
This has been a monumental experience for us. Our testimonies are still strong and have come to learn that all of us are mortal, we make mistakes, When a prophet makes a mistake it will probably be a wopper. Don't worry, get over it, Focus on Christ, use the Holy Ghost's advice and you wont be lead astray.
Segregated sacrament meetings!?!? Where did this occur? I'm not doubting you, BTW. That is craziness!
@@WashingtontreeNZ. Yes, it happened. In my stake (in NZ) we were told to just Zoom into our meetings (not that we were ever given a Zoom ID) 0:02 until myself and my husband petitioned the stake presidency to have unvaxxed services. We called it Leper Church. NZ did it hard on the whole dividing us - unvaxxed couldn’t go out to eat, go the gyms, swimming pools, libraries, hairdressers, fly overseas, teach in schools, work in a medically related field, work in prisons, work on the border etc etc. This went on for most people for 6 months but some medical places like my local hospital still have vax mandates. NZ, Australia and Canada were brutal.
@@twitchbiddy6880 I pay pretty close attention to the alternative media here in the US and the covid lock-downs were well covered by them, but it's interesting to get the perspective of someone who lived it. Our state governor is pretty authoritarian, but nothing compared to the leaders of the countries you mentioned. Luckily, I live on the sane side of my state where many of the c mandates weren't heavily enforced. That being said, it was crazy to see the church go along with everything the Gadiantons were saying. My husband was bishop at the time and finally said he wouldn't wear a mask. There were people who criticized him for it, even people who didn't agree with the mandates. Some were upset that he wasn't willing to enforce masking at youth activities. There were people who clearly avoided us because of no masks or jabs.
This happened in Christchurch New Zealand.
@@nzhawk that is correct. But all the other stuff was nationwide.
Amazing, this brother's story is so much like my own.....a self proclaimed Jack Mormon he told me, and to boot he was a nephew down the line from Mark E Peterson...we met on a Saturday early evening in a nice club in Newport, Oregon coast town....somehow we quickly got on religion????? Then he told me that he was a member of the Mormon Church, I had never heard of it, other than one time back in the very early 1970's I was looking for a place to TURN around at, and I pulled in, and as I started to turn the vehicle around, it was pointing DIRECTLY at the FRONT DOORS OF THE CHURCH, where see, "THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS!!!!!!!!! The thought took me right back to my childhood experience outside of a very small Eastern Oregon Lumber camp 50 miles up in the BLUE MOUNTAINS. I was just turned 8 years old, and had an experience with Jesus and God (Heavenly Father) and I told them that it was just NOT FAIR that we in our day did not have a church with a living prophet and 12 apostles??????????? This TURN AROUND event, as the next step in finding that church, but, the night I met Curtis Peterson of Brigham City...he was working in that area for a few months, I quickly told him to come with me that we have to get to a private place and he had to tell me everything he knows about his church......as he had told me that his church as a living prophet and 12 living apostles.....with 2 counselors associated with the prophet.......short story is that we continued our relationship and a few months later, he had been sent to Ventura California on another construction job, and with a few days, I went to the city library and looked up Brigham Young, and the book that I had picked up, was making fun of Brigham and his many wives....it disgusted me to the point, that something told me inside that I had to find the truth of this church.faith and decided to get the phone book out at our apartment, and search it till I found a phone number, and I did, and immediately called the Mission Home in Ventura, and they sent missionaries out to my apartment the next day...I told them that I will listen to every missionary lesson, but first they had to tell/show me what Ezekiel and Isaiah meant about the 2 books that are joined together, and about what the VOICE THAT WILL SPEAK FROM THE DUST..........one of the elders was from Preston Idaho, is now a retired doctor. The other elder was from Pendleton, Oregon, and we knew some of the same business people in Pendleton, he had been a teen alcoholic, and some lds classmates invite him to go to MUTUAL with them, he did and was quickly baptized, as soon as he was ready, quit drinking immediately, and was called out on a mission just a few months before I met them in Ventura, CA. The missionaries, told me what they meant, and I did all the lessons in that first week, and was in church every Sunday after that, PLUS here I want to say something.... I had spent over 5 years going to all the different mainstream Christian churches, and made meetings with the Minister, etc...and I only had those 2 question for them, each one told me that I was going into areas that WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DELVE INTO that being the Mysteries of GOD??????????????????????? I would get up and tell them I appreciated their time, but that I was not asking the wrong questions, the last appt I had was with a Southern Baptist minister, and he got so angry with me and was actually ranting and raving, I LEFT HIS OFFICE immediately. I share this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
By the way.....I should have added this: I was in COVID ISOLATION from Feb 27th of 2020, until this last APRIL 2024, I knew that this was what I was being directed to do, I leaned how to get all my groceries to my front door, and I had my yearly Dr meeting by phone. I was not going to have one of those ventilation tubes stuck down my throat, and I was determined to make it through, I did and most all people family etc I knew told me I was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy over reacting and most of my family got covid and some got it several times.........I told my doctors what they could do with the VACCINE.....I will never take another injection for anything, I have the total belief that I was not just isolate for what ever reason, now I feel that Heavenly Father will protect me from this point, as I paid a great price, I felt that there was something that I was being prepared, or learn concerning something in our future times. The year prior, I had that H2N3 contagious respiratory infection, for 5 week, and 4 days, so sick I could barely get around to take care of myself and my 2 indoor only kitty kids........it hit me like a loco motive about 10 minutes prior to midnight on NEW YEARS EVE, and on Feb 4 on that morning as I woke ,and got out of bed, I was like it had never been in my body, one day I will understand, why, it had all happened........I had went to the urgent care, with dozens of sick people in it, on that 4th day after it hit me, and I was told that there was not ANY MEDICATION AVAILABLE to take for that infection....that my own body would have to deal with it........there was nothing to take, Heavenly Father was with me in that situation from start to end, Then Covid came actually in late 2019 they say now, but was not being noticed until that first case up in Seattle area.....I was living in Coeur d' Alene, Idaho. So I am conditioned for long term ISOLATION, to deal with what ever will come our way in the future.
@@twizzles659You followed what was best for you and that is exactly what the prophet told members to do . We all have different paths and only The Lord knows Our path .
I was baptized when I was 16 ....spent 27 years in the Army....took many shots because we were over seas several times....I read the BOM everyday....Alma 34 is my favorite book ... I have many scriptures from this chapter... Verse 4, yea that ye would have so much faith as to plant the word in your heart that ye may try the experiment of it's goodness.....you don't need shots if the word which is Christ lives in you... daily....I never took the COVID shot and I never got sick. I'm 60 years old...2 counselor in a Branch...... Army Ranger Paratrooper....
Do you remember the missionary name that was from Preston ID? I was from that area until 2007. 😊
I think that it's a dangerous mindset to think that the prophet and apostles are receiving revelation for every little detail for our lives. If you've got a guy who was a former doctor, and the medical establishment is telling everyone to do something, of course the former doctor will be biased in following the advice and will be influenced by it, especially if that former doctor practiced in the 70s and 80s when the profession was less corrupt.
Yes I think he was very trusting of the medical and government CDC.
So why was Nelson not more trusting of the Lord in this issue??? THe mormon church now teaches a mass of CONFUSION! If Nelson and his apostles cannot get right something as simple as the "jab" , something that impacts the entire world, then how can we xpect to believe ANYTHING the church teaches about anything in the future ???? Rusty Mormon Nelson is supposed to be talking to GOD and following GOD about the jab! SO, WHERE WAS THE PRIESTHOOD BACK IN 2021 ?????!?!? Were they simply lounging in their burgundy thrones on a podium , while bowing to the wicked leaders in the US government ???? Nelson led the mormon church membership ASTRAY ...... Bottom Line!! Lesson learned: DO NOT FOLLOW THE PROHET !!!! He is just as confused about " the way" as YOU are. Use your Holy GHost instead , that you got at your baptism. You will be further ahead. You have but one GOd, and He ain't any of your "leaders". Works for me.
@@GAILandRODhe should have trusted the Lord instead. What happened to the healing power of the Prirsthood which he holds the keys to?
@@michcamilo Or to the truth, which is that the vrus is a false construct.
It's corruption is now on steroids...
I struggled with the church promoting the jab. I wanted to warn people about the dangers of it, as I knew a lot more about it than the average person, but, as soon as the church promoted it, it basically became an obedience and faith in the prophet thing to most people. I no longer felt like I could warn people after that. But I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Im in the church for the gospel of Jesus Christ and the ordinances, which are real. I don't worship the prophet. I respect him. He taught us to hear God, so that's what I did, and i prioritized that over an unofficial recommendation by the church.
NO! That is a LIE !!!! it was OFFICIAL !! signed by the top triumvirate !!!!!!! on oFFICIAL mormon chiurch stationery!!! and read vocally from the podium at mormon church sacrament meeetings !!!!! can't get more OFFICIAL than that !!!
That is exactly how I feel. I will never leave the church because of the book of Mormon and my testimony of Joseph Smith, and of the temple. that’s more than enough to stay in the church.
This guy is a 💎 great interview much better. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Member all my life and totally agree with all this brother said.
It's you and the Lord, not you and the church. I see the church as a rusty old boat that will help us get to The destination.
I prayed about the JaB and felt it was not the right thing to do. There were a few times when I thought I would have to and it never felt right and whenever I thought I would be forced to something would be done where I never had to. I personally think that the JaB prepared us for what’s to come as we might be forced to do things or choose the Lord or satan’s influences. As we choose to pray and follow the lord and keep covenants as the second coming draws closer we will be protected. I felt the protection I needed when I was told by the spirit to not to get VaXed and as long as I stay strong and in tune with the spirit I can be strong enough to say no to the adversary and be protected from what’s to come.
🙏🏻 I think you’re correct
And fellow members of HIS TRUE CHURCH, remember ALSO that each of US RECEIVE our answers IN MANY WAYS, HE COMES TO US DIFFERENTLY DUE TO OUR OWN UNIQUE PERSONALITIES AND ABILITIES TO UNDERSTAND, one will HEAR IN THE WAY THAT REACHES HIM /HER, someone else hears/follows with the same SPIRT but, just differently. I hope you can understand what I am saying.
The word forced was a correct choice of words. We fought a battle in heaven for agency. The battle continues on the earth today. Never did I think I would hear our top leaders pushing a government edict. It has been very faith damaging to many.
@@twizzles659 Yes I understand what your saying. I agree, everyone receives their own revelation, which is exactly what I was saying. " As we choose to pray and follow the lord and keep covenants as the second coming draws closer we will be protected" what might be okay for me may not be okay for someone else. The point of my message is I believe the jab was Heavenly Father's way of getting his children to listen and obey before the bigger events happen. Too many people say I am following the prophet, or I am following the science, what about the spirit? The prophet has said many times the only way to survive is spiritual survival so what a better way to test than to see who listens to man vs. who listens to the spirit.
@@twizzles659 right on!!!
Great interview and great subject. My husband and I always wanted to serve a mission tigether but the list of vaccines that are required to have to be able to serve is crazy! We are not in favor of vaccines and I think we should have the freedom to chose wether we want to be vaccinated or not.
I don't think that people that leave the church are looking for reasons to leave or that they are enemies to the church. The vast majority have found some things troubling from history or from things that leaders have said. Putting people down for leaving is just plain wrong. I don't dislike the church, but I have found some things that don't jive. I love the Lord with all of my heart, but i will not trust men without the spirit. Love your videos. Keep up the great work
Thx 🙏🏻
Don't ever let anyone keep you from the Savior's binding covenants and Priesthood authority. Not even the prophet himself.
The leaders don’t play 4d chess. They were wrong in the advice they gave, plain and simple. People need to stop making absurd excuses for them. This is nothing short of gaslighting.
It can feel a bit like gaslighting….
@@ZionMedia_ I like your channel, I know you're probably trying to walk a fine line here. Bottom line IMO people need to stop putting these men on a pedestal. They're fallible men, there isn't some super secret test they're putting us through to test our faith. They made very bad decisions handling the C0\/1D situation, and they should own up to it but they won't. The membership needs to stop putting these men before Christ and realize they can't rely on them for their salvation.
YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, BUT YOU ARE NOT QUITE THERE YET. Our alleged "leaders" whom we regard as our idols really, were not guilty of gaslighting; they were guilty of EVIL.......plain and simple, as well as COWARDICE, and leading us ASTRAY, as well as falsely casting themselves as true "prophets, seers, and revelators", unable to see beyond the nose on their face, much less "around corners". You're on your own, folks. We've all got a God, folks, and he ain't Nelson or anyone else claiming to be our teacher or leader. And that fact is becoming increasingly more plain and simple in these trying times.
They were not wrong. Is it possible you were wrong in your interpretation? Did you pray about it to receive your own revelation to confirm?
Our counsel from President Nelson several years ago (before the pandemic) was to make receiving personal revelation a priority and that it would be necessary for our spiritual survival. We have not been asked to blindly follow the prophet's counsel on church policy. Remember, this was a policy decision, not a doctrinal one--though many people struggled to see the difference.
We each need to be spiritually prepared to receive and follow personal revelation from God. We do not let the prophet, or anyone else do that for us. We must not abdicate our responsibility for our own spiritual welfare.
The church was likely backed into a corner. The most important work going on is the gathering of Israel on both sides of the veil. That means temples must stay open and missionaries must be able to serve. Government was requiring vax in order for this to happen and thus, the message needed to be in line with the Gov't. Who knows what else could have happened to the church? It's like when President Woodruff issued the Manifesto. Neither option was ideal, but shown what would happen, he chose that which would allow the church to survive for the salvation of man and more important battles. So it may be that President Nelson saw the outcome if we fought against the vaccine and that was worse.
Be careful how you judge! Exercise your faith.
@@adamcarlini5195why are you assuming I’m not exercising faith? Exercise faith in who? The president of the church? The leadership? Men that are fallible? No, I will not exercise faith in them, I will exercise faith in Christ and seek my own personal revelation, which I did. The problem here is people assuming that every statement made by the leadership, whether it’s the president, one of the twelve etc…is without error. The church leadership CAN be wrong, and in this case they absolutely were. With respect, your explanation here is just more mental gymnastics, it absolves them of any responsibility and wrong doing, and it’s perpetuating a very dangerous type of mentality.
I feel the same way; our promises and covenants are with Heavenly Father. Having faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Not your bishop, not your relief Society president. Or you’re smart Alec next-door neighbor that likes to ridicule you on every single thing that you do, but goes to church on Sunday.
Amen!
Like you, I have not been vaccinated for anything since early teens. (did have tetanus shot twice to go to foreign countries) I am 77 and never had covid or flu. A few colds and had strep throat 3 times.
I work at a temple and people asked me if I got vaccine and I said I dont get them. Got accused of being disobedient. I quit answering the question. Several of my faithful friends in Utah did not get it and two of them were my bishop and his wife and fam of many kids.
Id love to hear your wifes advice.
Also did not wear masks or stay in.
Then Pres Nelson said, "counsel with your doc and with the Lord and do what is right for you.
I love you Karyl!!! You’re my kinda peeps
Yes, it was wrong. I'm just lucky I listened to the Holy Ghost and didn't get it.but I did loose my job (but my client had the right to refuse, and he did). I sold my house and moved. Got frowned upon in the church (now I'm selective on what i participate in). Still live in a tent (but managed to purchase some land, growing my own food. And now preparing for the nemenhah prophecies to come true (getting more visitations from nativeAmericans in the night). It's been a blessing in disguise.
Wow - Andrew good on you brotha. We’d love to hear more. Message us via our contact us form. 🙏🏻
Thank you Brother Poli for your testimony and for sharing it. My husband and I did not get the jab. I still can’t understand why we were encouraged to get it. Blessings everyone 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
We have friends in the church that haven't been back since the jab was urged. The prophet should have known. They can't forgive him. We didn't get it but we are still faithful. We relied on the Spirit and not on the arm of flesh.
@@reppi8742 we’re still active too 🤗
. Pres. Nelson was a doctor, abs like all in the medical field, the fall for what the medical community says. I don't believe hecwas speaking as a the prophet
@cdayperry2701 me too tho we never got it, abd we took some heat.
Thanks. This is a subject that really needed to be talked about.
I’m married with 2 little girls. At the time contractors were having to get the jab I did not want to do it. But risking not having insurance and paying the bills was not a good situation to be in. My contracting company put out their own deadline to get it or be let go. I waited until the last day hoping it would go away but it didn’t. I got the one and done shot (Johnson n Johnson) which I hated. The next month it was dropped and contractors didn’t have to get it anymore. It pissed me off. It concerned me about the church pushing for the jab. But I quickly got over it. Whether the Lord let Pres Nelson act on his own about this or if the church was pressured, it did not matter. I prayed about it many times and got the feeling and thought that the Lord has reasons for everything and to just have faith in His plans and follow the His kingdom here on earth. Pres Nelson is still the prophet God called for us. He is not perfect be we need to have faith and follow like the Lord has said.
If it is any consolation, my doctor who practices integrative medicine, says that the J and J is the safe shot. He believes it was pulled from the market so that the data could not be compared with the other 2 companies shots. He recommended the J and J shot until it was pulled.
Now he doesn’t recommend any.
I agree with you so much. You are right. I also wonder those who did get it because they thought they were obedient and got very ill or died....or have caused damage...a lady in my ward was paralyzed for months Those are some pretty hard consequence's for thinking you are doing right. I thought the medical motto was "do no harm". Just thoughts.
@@GAILandROD tell that to doctor quack r. m. nelson !
We make our covenants with God, not with the church. Love that! I have made covenants in the temple, in the chapel pew, and in my own home. All are binding and glorious.
Amen.
So no more follow the prophet or is it that we can pick and choose what we follow that must be it
“No one will safely navigate the end times without personal revelation!” President Nelson.
“Hear Him” also President Nelson
“Men should become prophets unto themselves” Joseph Smith
When men learn and live correct principles, they govern themselves” also Joseph Smith
I don’t know if you know what you are talking about! Following the spirit is following the prophet!!
@@christinechristensen7211 NO, that is not what it means, "IT MEANS THAT WE DO WHAT OUR PROPHET HAS BEEN TEACHING US TO DO SINCE WE RAISED OUR HAND TO FOLLOW HIS COUNSEL: THAT BEING THAT WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO LEARN OF HIM, and TO LEARN HOW TO FOLLOW THAT VOICE< THAT MEANS TO TAKE ALL NEEDFUL THINGS TO HIM/HEAVENLY FATHER IN THE SACRED NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.......EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO "HEAR HIM" not the prophet but HEAVENLY FATHER, THE HOLY GHOST AND OR THE STILL SMALL VOICE.
Another thought just came to me, for those that feel that RMN, was leading members astray???? NOT SO, he did what he did in order to give each LISTENING/HEARING member that opportunity to Take the response to HIM/Heavenly Father, as to what they should or not do!!! IN THAT WAY THOSE LISTENING WOULD make the right decision, it is their own responsibility to HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYING SPIRITUALLY, in the way he did it, KEPT THE US GOVERNMENT OFF OF THE BACKS OF THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE is how I see it all? IN FACT as I write this, I just got my own answer as to my OWN CONFUSION as to why HE DID IT IN THE WAY HE HAS DONE........Amen!!! He was LED BY Heavenly Father, to keep the church safe, and continuing to operate. LEAVING those who BASICALLY have had our FIRST TEST IN LISTENING to the Warning RMN gave to us, what he has counseled the whole church, that WE WILL NOT MAKE IF WE DO NOT LEARN TO LISTEN TO THE STILL SMALL VOICES WITHIN US AS WE ASK FOR DIRECTIONS/COUNSEL IN OUR TIMES NOW. THE TESTING HAS BEGUN. I hope that I have explained this in full.....this is what I feel now, and I now understand why RMN did it in the way he did.
It was always a personal choice. I didn’t ever see it any other way. If we are in touch with the spirit we may find ourselves having direction from the spirit that is contrary to a leaders general advice. It’s happened to me
Well said, it was always a personal choice.
My experience precisely.
It's happened to many of the women who are the Auxillary Leadership of the Church. They were starting careers outside of the home when the prophet and apostles had been teaching over the pulpit for decades that women should stay home and raise their children.
I love the conversation story. So beautiful. I am a convert too.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The correct statement should have been:
“We encourage all to remember their body is a temple. Take care of it, follow the word of wisdom, and seek the help and wisdom of wise medical professionals. Let’s unite in increasing our commitment to live healthier lives. Above all else follow the spirit in how to best care for the body the Lord has blessed you with”
@@Upliftyourbrothers I wonder how many didn't follow the prophet in taking their daily vitamins. What a shame. They should have been more loyal.
Yes.
Accurate
I agree but I would have added "consulting the Spirit through prayer".
Instead it was, "this vaccine was sent from heaven". 😂 It's amazing nobody can see it.
I agree as a convert originally and then leaving the church in 2020 and getting rebaptized this year… being in Christ’s church is when I’m happiest, healthiest, and at my best. Many lifetime members take the church for granted. The church that I converted from disfellowshipped me for an interracial relationship and I would hear the “n” word regularly growing up in that church (hardline Baptist in the south.) People just need to take a step back and realize how blessed and privileged they were to grow up in the restored gospel and quit complaining.
Hey Matt! Looking forward to recording our podcast with you this coming Tuesday 🙏🏻
Welcome back brotha
My daughter, her mother in law and I all received the same answer when we individually asked WHY. We were told by the Lord it was a test to see who would follow God and who would follow man. Who would pray about it and who would not put the effort required into prayer.
Wow - deep. Also confusing.
I prayed about it the answer was follow the prophet follow the prophet
Think of the story of Gideon and the Middianites...
I knew IMMEDIATELY by the Holy Ghost/Still Small Voice Immediatly:
This is a testimony to me that it had to be a matter of prayer. Each family's circumstance is different. Why would some be told to and others not to.
We normally don't vaccinate, and we could have kept going with that, but the spirit told us to get the vaccine. Sometimes, our faith has to be tried.
Fantastic, faith-building episode. Thanks so much, guys! Fabrizio is awesome.
Our pleasure!
I felt uneasy about it and our family prayed about it and got a clear and resounding No. I risked my nursing career by declining it. I work in Idaho and had a very hard time getting a waiver because LDS people in HR said things like “The Prophet got it.” I didn’t get it and don’t intend to get vaccines ever again.
You had your agency - a CORE religious belief. I hope you'll remember that. It saved my wife (a nurse) despite so many other LDS in the office taking it, and feeling like they had no "religious exemption" after the prophet took it.
@@jum5238 mormon idolators , worshipping rusty mormon nelson !!
Trevor's sister asked, Don't you think that instead of saying "get vaccinated", the prophet should've said to "pray to see if we should get vaccinated"? Well basically he DID say that! There were three different times in 2021 that the First Presidency urged members of the Church to get vaccinated. The first two times (Jan 19th and April 23rd), the First Presidency clearly stated that "Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination"! The third time (Aug 12th) they didn't mention that. But that exclusion didn't render their previous counsel null and void! So any member who rushed out to get vaccinated against their own will, good judgement, and/or inspiration from God did so ignorant of the Church's vaccination policy and the First Presidency's own counsel which was given TWICE the same year as the controversial Aug 12th counsel! So if any members of the Church lost faith over this issue then I suspect they were uninformed of the previous counsel and the Church's vaccination policy - or they didn't value the gospel of Jesus Christ enough long before Covid ever came along. Who knows, maybe the Church has to conform to some political guidelines and maybe that's exactly why Pres. Nelson said in 2018: "in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Spirit".
“Individuals are responsible to make their own decisions about vaccination.” isn’t the same as “individuals should pray and seek the guidance of the spirit regarding their personal decision to get vaccinated.”
Statements in the same press releases such as:
“Now, COVID-19 vaccines that many have worked, prayed, and fasted for are being developed”
“the Church urges its members, employees and missionaries to be good global citizens and help quell the pandemic by safeguarding themselves and others through immunization”
“We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to protect their own children through immunization,”
“We’re very hopeful that the general vaccination of the population will help us get ahead of this awful pandemic. It’s hopeful, like the light at the end of the tunnel”
“In word and deed, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has supported vaccinations for generations”
“We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population”
“we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.”
“We have prayed often for this literal godsend,”
Let’s not gaslight the issue by trying to pretend they did anything but push and recommend to get vaccinated. There isn’t a single reference to “pray about it”. Not one. Then if you want to get into the social media tour promoting it that’s even worse and again no pray about it mentioned.
In this podcast We gave them grace and a most likely scenario for what happened here. But don’t cloud the issue with things that didn’t happen.
@@ZionMedia_ You completely missed my point. First of all, I said the First Presidency "basically" said to pray about getting vaccinated because by telling us that we are responsible to make our own vaccination decision, it seems rather obviously implied that they would want us to incorporate prayer in making that decision. But whether they said to pray about it or not is completely beside the point! The point is, 2 out of 3 times in 2021 the First Presidency gave us all obvious counsel to make our own vaccination decisions! They gave us the obvious option to NOT "follow the prophet" on this issue if we didn't feel good about it! And if people would have been aware of that (and/or the Church's vaccination policy in the handbook) then, like me, they would have felt zero "obedient pressure" to get vaccinated. But unfortunately, many people only saw the Aug 2021 counsel and felt compelled to comply beyond their own will and best judgment. I will admit that I found the counsel to get vaccinated very strange and I don't know why they didn't include the "opt-out-option" in their Aug 2021 counsel like they had done previously. But based on the fact that they DID provide the "opt-out-option" twice earlier in the year - and they didn't retract it in Aug 2021 - no one should have felt obediently compelled beyond their will and good judgment to take the Covid vaccine. That's my point.
Any prophet knows his enormous influence on the members, this is where the responsibility lies.
Brigham Young said he feared for the day when people would just follow the advice of the leaders blindly without seeking the testimony of the spirit. Blind obedience is antithetical to everything taught in the scriptures and the church. I marvel that we (as a church) promote independent thought to the degree we do, but still move forward, relying on the spirit. Must be true.
@@jum5238 the church moves forward on the billions of dollars in the kitty. The spirit doesn't need money.
@@my2cworth4U If that is all you see, then you are not seeing. Do the work necessary to see what is happening beyond what your eyes can see. The Spirit of God is in this church. The work needs money to move forward. There are people to feed, buildings to build and maintain. Wealth and spiritual strength are not mutually exclusive.
I'm currently in bed because I'm allergic to the arm poke shedding. My hub went to church to get set apart and was trained (building scheduler) for an hour and when he came home i didn't think i would react (again!) I don't get to go to church or the temple or grocery shopping or i go down (migraine, exhaustion, bone pain) for 24-72 hrs... it's that bad! 😢 People are still shedding, which is a huge tell tale. My life is completely different because of those that made a choice. Hardest trial of my life. Great video! Great visitor!
😭 I’m soooo sorry
A nicotine patch gets rid of the spike protein.
Serious???
@@ZionMedia_ yes it does.. also consider dandelion tea, NAC, Bromeliad and Quercetin, Nattokinaise, and many other. Do a deep dive and find the alternatives.. they are there..
@@kclark7303😂
I felt conflict at first when we saw the church response to Vax. After praying about it. I came to same answer of the Lord wants us to ask for ourselves! Because each person is different! My hubby has been through 3 doctors because of sinple info of asking for a cov 1-9 test, which he refused. We need to govern ourselves with the help of heaven and let others' choices NOT affect our own! ❤ 🙏
Yep - you made the right choice
Wait til you find out what the financial incentives were for doctors to get people to take it.
If the Church had been forced to get vaccinated and then the leaders forced the members to get vaccinated. They are wrong. Their actions are unjust and unconstitutional.
The Church should have reported the leaders of the CDC and bring law suit against them for HEPA violations and unconstitutional conduct.
In 2021 my Dad and I was diagnosed with COVID-19 Delta Variant and double pneumonia. Sadly my Dad didn't make it.
After I was released from the hospital on several occasions a couple of my brothers had verbally attacked me, saying:
"If you and Dad had gotten vaccinated, you and Dad wouldn't have been hospitalized and Dad would still be with us today."
In defense of my actions I told them:
"There's no way any of us could know that."
Dad was allergic to the vaccine and nobody would tell him what was in it.
All they had told him was the COVID-19 vaccine is similar to the flu shot and the pneumonia vaccine.
For this reasoning my Dad said I can't have it because I'm allergic to it.
Years before COVID my Dad had taken the flu shot and had received the pneumonia vaccine. Both times he was hospitalized for severe allergic reactions to these medical treatments.
My brothers weren't there when it happened because they weren't born yet, or they were too young to remember.
My Dad didn't want the vaccine because he wanted to stick around as long as he could for his family.
But my brothers weren't done yet.
"Aren't you supposed to follow your prophet blindly without questioning their word?"
Actually no.
Last I checked they DO want us to question what they teach us. They want us to take their words to the Lord, and ask if what they are teaching are not true.
So I did.
The Lord told me don't get vaccinated at this time.
Last I checked God's word comes first.
Although bad things have happened, I have a clear conscience about my actions. Because I had brought my concerns to the Lord, He comforted me with His counsel; and my guilt was swept away.
I love the conversion story. Very thought provoking.
Fabrizio! I don’t know you, but I grew up in Harrogate and Preston is my childhood temple ❤ So lovely to hear your voice and accent.
I'm still struggling with president Nelson's urging of the jab! I have such a bad taste in my mouth. There was so much judgement from members saying I wasn't faithful or following the prophet that I'm inactive at this point.
Same here. I've lost church friends over this.
Had to test weekly for eight straight months at work. Never got sick once or had any evidence of infection.
I've never had so many looks of judgmental hate, as when I didn't wear a mask at church. 😢
This is the hardest thing I've ever gone through. I wish to give you my love and understanding. I'm still active but praying hard for strength and it's still difficult.
This was great! Great guest. Awesome speaker. Amen brother. Thank you for sharing your story,
Thanks for listening
Well, the corporation of the church has a multimillionaire investment stock in Johnson & Johnson, a coincidence?
And Phizer.
Read the scriptures then you’ll know about 4th Nephi - we are not just baby birds that are going to always be fed by our mother bird. It’s about discovery for ourselves
This guy is sharp. Thanks for having him. Really enjoyed it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you want to talk to the Lord, PRAY. If you want to hear from the lord, READ THE SCRIPTURES.
So, true! Read the Book of Mormon everyday! It is crucial.
Definitely worth a rewatch! The spirit was strong with this one. There were some gems 💎 here! 🙏
We have lied to certain family members about getting the jab as we have not gotten it. It breaks my heart to see our 4 year old grandson getting all the updated vaccines.
Grandson? 😮yes that would be horrifying
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Perhaps it's time to tell the truth.
We’re told to develop our own light for the time when there might not be somebody else to illuminate the world for us
Word for word what I've been saying for years.. wow.. great interview.. These were hard time.. but JUST before the 'jab' was brought forth, our counsel from our prophet was as follows (not a perfect quoter)... "Learn to heard the voice of the Lord.. it way very well save your life". That was by our prophet. When the counsel to get the jab was given.. I went to the Lord in Prayer.. I received my counsel.. I did not get the 'Jab'.. everyone else did.. when I asked by others why I had not gotten the jab, I would ask them if they had prayed about it. They always said.."the prophet said to , so I got the jab".. I would respond with the quote above that the prophet also asked us the hear the voice of the Lord and that it could very well save our lives. The response would be, that they would just shrug their shoulders and walk away. We must learn to know the Lord personally. and counsel with Him directly. Always counsel with the Lord directly.. Lehi did! and he was lead away from Jerusalem..
It's interesting on some comments I read with Watcher Palmer during this time. So many prayed and got the answer "yes" "NO" but most got "it does not matter". And decided on their own.
@@GAILandROD interesting
The happy people of 4th Nephi (3:35) were able to live that way because the wicked were purged in the calamities before the Savior's coming. That's why we will be able to live like that in the millennium, because the world will be purged of Telestial people, and only Terrestrial and Celestial people will remain.
Good point Dave
Yes, but good people can become bad and viceversa.
@@BizJetTV Yep. It eventually happened to the Nephites. It will happen again at the end of the Millenium.
The Lawyers and middle managers run The Church.
Seems accurate - deep state/church
yeah.. way to often that is the case.. mid level interpretation and implementation.. uggggg..
Ezra Taft Benson warned us. I heard he told someone the church was infiltrated and he had enemies there as he looked over at the Church office bldg.
absoluTely RIGHT ON !! corruption is beginnng to flourish in the mormon church. hugh nibiley warned of this back in the '70's !!
I sometimes wonder about the "corporate" side. Look at the new communications person. No more patriotic music or Pioneer music during July with the choir. You barely hear the Savior mentioned in the "Spoken word" part of the program. That is a HUGE shift that is obvious. All this fluffy pre-recorded walking in a garden is far from the live broadcast.
I was very shaken up when President Nelson got his shot so publicly. Devastated. I had been a member almost 40 years and never doubted. But I felt almost as strongly about vaccines because I had prayed about that issue as well and got my answers. So if I was fooled about this was I fooled about the other as well? I got over that quite quickly because I had lived 'the LDS way' all this time and that can't be undone that easily. Of course I tried to figure out the why. Not particularly successfully. But at the end of the day there is just too much evidence for the reality of God and no other church has as many answers as this one. And of course there is the Book of Mormon ...
I'm at peace with it now. One day, if I still want to know, I will find out.
"We must separate the administration and spiritual parts of the church"
So we just turn a blind eye to the church's acceptance of aɓoŕtìon, transgenderism, homosexuality, Vax, etc? Do we accept all of those things because we need missionaries in the field? When are we going to demand that the church rescind it's promotion of the covid vax?
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I have been a member over 40 years. I was only 16; and on the first lesson I believe. It was as if the veil parted and it all sounded familiar. I actually asked heavenly father about taking the vaccine. I have a lot of respect for President Nelson and I feel that his position was not to bring controversy to the church as a whole.
Profits have been fooled in the past. It isn’t beyond belief that they could be fooled now and in the future. Mistakes have been made. Mistakes will continue to be made.
right!! and the prophet will continue to lead us all astray if we do not properly vet EVERYTHING coming out of his mouth
AND PROPHETS WILL CONTINUE TO BE FALSE PROPHETS .
Asking God was never stated or implied by RMN. He was the "prophet." He knew people would look to him to get the advisement from God. He used his position to get members to take it. He did a photo op., and told members that this was safe, effective and a Godsend. CLEAR AS DAY! Are they now trying to backtrack? The damage has already been done. It made me realize that the Church had been infiltrated by secret combinations as well. They knew exactly what they were doing!
We are encouraged to "Hear Him", to pray to Heavenly Father, build a relationship/connection to God and Jesus Christ, not the leaders of the Church. We need to tune into the spirit. We need to learn things for ourslef. there is a reason the GOLD PLATES ARE NO LONGER ON EARTH AND THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO KNOW...PRAY!
Did you read the statement the first presidency published? He specifically stated it was a personal decision and to also consult your own doctor. He’s also made it clear for us to receive personal revelation. For me the statement urging us to get it was a clear compliance to government so we didn’t get shut down. Most people lost their dang mind because they fell for the fear tactics
@@gingermcgovern5682 yup.. I really feel that the church was pressured by the government or the church would be shut up, temples closed, and missions stopped.. I believe that thru the spirit, personal revelation, we would know what was right for us, even if it meant to sacrifice our very lives by taking the jab.. But we each had to search the spirit to know for ourselves.. All the photo ops were a sacrifice.. all the jabs taken by the prophets made them sick too, but were to keep the church open for us and for the Lord. Some were required to sacrifice and get the jab.. some were not.
@@lightscenters111I agree. I have family members and friends receive an answer to get it as well as not get it. The point was receive your own answer!
There are definitely people who have infiltrated our church that are on the side of the enemy, but I do not for one second believe any of the brethren to be a Gadianton robber. I agree with other comments in this section. We were told to learn to hear God repeatedly by the prophet before any of this happened. The work must go forward and they were very likely under threat from dear old big brother. That’s when we’re meant to cry out to God and ask Him…is this true?
He's right, people join the church because the Spirit of God tells them it's true and then leave when a human tells them it's not.
The question is: Are you willing to give your life for The Lord? Are we not suppose to give everything we have to the Lord, even our whole life? If we die from taking the vaccine, we die for being obedient. Will we not get blessed beyond all measure for doing so? Don't we have missionaries who are sent out into countries that are more dangerous than the United States? Isn't there a small few who are killed, while serving there? Is The Church no longer true because of that? There was an important reason why the Prophet asked us to get the vaccine, at the time, because it wasn't him asking, it was the Lord. Do we not have enough faith to believe that The Savior can protect us for being obedient? You may also remember that the Prophet never said that we should take the boosters. Members do not remember how hard the U.S. Government came down on the in past years, to the point of taking away our buildings, and lands, and putting many of our leaders in prison. The Prophet can see around corners, and prevent many calamities from coming down on The Church, which would hinder the work from going forward. If my taking of the shot caused, or will cause, me to die, but would allow The Church to bring salvation to thousands, or hundreds of thousands, I will have great joy in the Spirit World. Please put things in perspective.
I disagree - respectfully
A point not made was the fact that the Lord has said, "My people must be tried in all things that they may be prepared to receive the glory I have for them." Also, we will be tried even as Abraham was tried. How do we know the prophet was not doing as the Lord commanded him, regardless of his personal feelings, so that His people could be tried in all things? Meaning that whatever decision we made while listening to the spirit, our testimonies remain in tact. And contention never became an issue but rather love for all saints no matter the decision to get the shot.That is the test! Not whether we got the shot or not. D&C 112: 23-26 The Lord talks about cleaning house and starting with the members first. I teach the Elders Quorum and more than year ago I told them there would be fallout from this vaccine issue that would try the saints. I did not get the shot. I am as strong in my faith today as I ever have been. I studied the issue, reread many times the letter issued to the members from the first presidency, read the HOI and fasted and prayed. Then I considered the counsel to follow the spirit, ask questions and research the issue. Elder Gong wrote my wife and I that the choice was ours after listening to the spirit. No indication was made that we were being unfaithful by not getting the shot and that was our concern.
Great share
Anyone else feel like they are being gaslit when they hear members (in the face of all the urging from top leadership) explain that the leaders' admonitions to pray and follow the Holy Ghost were really just a wink wink to not get the jab, unless of course it was a test, and some members were just needed on the other side of the veil??
Peter - I agree and yes feel this way. (Trevor here).
Yeah, my sister died from the v, and it isn't funny nor a little test or teasing for me. She left her 5 year old daughter in the same day she finished kindergarten. Now, a long with another sister we watch her often due to her dad being a single dad. Not fair to all of us. Trust is a word that should never be taken lightly ever again.
@MommaCrissa so sorry about your loss. Sadly, both my dad and sister got turbo cancers soon after the jab. Thank God I still have my sister around. My dad passed within a month.
If any good has come out of this, I see it as a tender mercy that the Lord has made it abundantly clear to those with eyes to see that all is not well in Zion. D&C 64:32-39.
God bless!
@@petertaylorpedroThank you for your comment and sympathy. I too am sorry for your dad's loss and the turbo cancers of suffering placed on them! And not a word said from leaders as if it is not happening.
I opened up those verses, they are so great, thank you. Yes, we surely will know at some point of Zion who was a true prophet and who was not.
I certainly think the myopic talk P. Nelson gave was not a good word. To me it was saying, don't worry about loosing your dad granddaughter it's so small in the scheme of things. I understand that death is part of life, that we will loose many, but isn't there heartache too and that we should appreciate and celebrate that persons life? Or that we should just get over it and it's just a small thing...myopic. I don't know if I'm making sense, but I have found scripture that Jesus is "the prince of life"! He was resurrected but he also was saying a murderer wanted him to die, not live. Doesn't he want us to be translated, to live, to look towards him and live! That we should look for that, not death. That heading towards Zion's mystery is finding translation? But, I feel pres. Nelson doesn't mind if we die. That we aren't looking to be part of Zion at all. We are so used to saying that "we all will die", but is that really what God wanted for us? Look at Enoch's people and Melchizedek's people. They were so righteous that they lived. So to me life should not be myopic, it should be as a treasure given to us. I don't know how else to explain it, but even to the church we are a people of death which has become a pit in my stomach. We should even call Jesus the Prince of Life!
Thanks for letting me talk.
@MommaCrissa I love it, the Prince of life!
And yes, the church simply seems to do whatever it takes in order to preserve itself, even if that means buddying up to those in Babylon's great and spacious building.
For me, I'll stay myopicly focused on Christ, and if translation flows from that, even better!
Was not aware they "pushed" it. Was watching and listening...
Half the population was very comfortable with forced jabs. You can’t win. Take your lumps from the haters and move on.
You mean like Abinadi was forced to recant? Or like Alma and Amulek were forced to renounce their words to the people in the city of Amonihah? Or like Jesus was forced to go back on his teachings?
Love it.
I love this! We need to seek the spirit in all that we do.
100%, yes, church leaders absolutely dropped the ball on this one, big time, and now they are totally silent about the fallout. Totally frustrating.
They should address it - but how could they?? 🤷🏻♂️
@@ZionMedia_The leaders don't apologize.
Agree
@@t5l239 nor do they prophesy accurately, see accurately, or revelate accuratey.....if at all !!! quod erat demonstrandum ! i too am a leader in the mormon church. and i do not apologize either...........taking Oak's course of direction !!!
@@t5l239 and why should they??? The mountain meadows massacre still stands !!!
The leaders are not going to make the church and it’s members a target by refusing something like this. They want members to make their own choices. I worked very hard against all of this. I was willing to quit my job over it. The thing that really got to me was when schools, museums, parks, churches and libraries were closed yet liquor stores, dispensaries and in AZ, strip clubs were allowed to be open. Although we believe in sustaining the law of the land, we are also asked to use our own discernment. I exercised this. My brother opted to get his family vaccinated. We just agreed to disagree, because each of us exercised our own free agency. My sister did not want the vaccine, but got one in order to keep her job and she has suffered many ill effects since then. My brother does not think there’s any correlation. Another hard thing to deal with is the way some people were treated for not following the forced protocol. One of the purposes of all of this was to divide us, and we passed with flying colors. I have a lot of anger and resentment about this because my father was forced into the ICU and ventilated and died on Valentine’s Day the day after my sons wedding. I wish I would’ve removed my dad from that Hospital and I have a lot of guilt about that. None of us could’ve known. In spite of many of us, learning lessons, there are many, that will go into the panic state again if they were told to.
I'm 46. I had a quadruple bypass last year. I was in good shape, ate reasonably well, and didn't have a family history of heart disease. I DID get the jab. I don't know if the jab caused or accelerated my blockages, but I think it might have. In hindsight, I wouldn't have got the vaccination.
I’m so sorry 😢
Needed this!
Best wrap-up of the covid experience I have heard in a minute!
So much faith and a way to go forward in faith!
I was at an all LDS dinner toward the end of the lockdowns. During our discussion after dinner I made it known that the spirit warned the members not to take the shot. There was an outporing of anger toward me as those in attendance related that they had family members and friends die shortly after taking the shot, that it was the sacrifice that the Lord required of them to follow the prophet. ?! *
Isaiah 6:
9 And he said, Go, and say to these people,
Go on hearing, but not understanding; Go on seeing, but not perceiving.
10 Make the heart of these people grow fat; dull their ears and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and be healed.
11 And I replied, For how long, my Lord? And he said,
Until the cities lie desolate and without inhabitant, the houses without a man, and the land ravaged to ruin.
YEAH, MEMBERS IN OUR WARD DIED SOON AFTER TAKINGTHE JAB, OR GOT SICK AND ARE STILL SICK.
Wow!!
WOW. You are kidding me! That sounds pretty weird.
horrrssseeeshittt!
The prophet or no one else can lead you astray, if you use “Your Holy Ghost” ! He is your Gift!
My concern is when leaders in the Church go in front of cameras getting the jab what message is that sending? It’s a strong message. It’s certainly not neutral in my mind. What do you think?
The gospel teaches us to think, the problem is most don't study enough to start thinking!!!
Actions certainly speak loud.
Not neutral. Egotistical.
I immediately cancelled our subscriptions to ALL mormon publications when I saw rusty mormon nelson taking his jab in the church news ack in 2021. That paper is also becoming increasing leftist and worldly in its views.
@@MrBillmechanic We didn't renew our church magazine subscriptions, but then they continued to show up. I wondered if someone had renewed and paid for our subscription, but then they announced that they would now be free. Makes good recycling material.
There is only one God, one Jesus and one Holy Spirit, but many prophets. Just pray, ponder and read the scriptures. You will know in every part of your being the truth and the path you must travel. Thank you for this video.