SAILRITE VS CHEAP Sewing Machine (Full Comparison)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- Finally an opportunity arose to compare the Sailrite Ultrafeed with my cheaper, but apparently very similar Reliable Barracuda... I couldn't let this opportunity pass, since i had recently be searching TH-cam for this exact information.
No bias, honest comparison between the pros and cons of these machines.
BTW I'd like to make a correction... I mention a "not quite rite" machine available on Alibaba for $60 when it is only the base....my error.... the machine is actually $180.
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0:00 Intro
00:37 The machines
01:33 General
07:54 Motors
09:40 Internals
10:40 My lesson with the Barracuda
16:50 Sewing
29:40 Customer service
31:50 Cost
34:36 Summary
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You should have posted a link to both of these machines.
Watching this video made me abandon the idea of getting the cheaper machine. I really appreciate they straight forward information you've presented here. I've now watched many of the Sailrite videos, and I think one thing that deserves mention, especially for sailing people, is that the Sailrite with the monster wheel (with the belt removed and the handle added) can be run by hand without power. Maybe the barracuda can too I don't know, but it is in the marketing for the Sailrite.
I like the fact that if you need to use the Sailrite without power the company supports that.
YES...ALL the Sailrite options like the Monster Wheel II fit the Barracuda...AND...all the OTHER clones like the Family Sew FS288Z...Their Monster Wheel works fine on mine, along with the optional case, etc. What I didn't realize till I bought the Sailrite Monster Wheel is that Barracuda sells a Monster Wheel-type option too.
Yes, I was just about to mention that feature. It's a great feature to have in the event of a power outage.@@slick8086
The numbers on the tension control is just a label. You could make your own numbered label to cover up the default + - label. Or if you only need a few tension settings, just add your own hand drawn tick marks to the edge of the knob to highlight where you need to turn the knob to set a given tension amount. If you need more than 2 or 3 ticks, you could also use different colors to set them apart. Usually one mark on the machine itself is added as well to give a visual reference point to where the ticks on the knob should align with the body of the machine.
We use this same tick mark technique all the time at work to readjust the voltage levels on variable bench power supplies between a few common levels we need. Instead of making slow adjustments qhile watching the voltage meter change, we just turn the knob to exactly where it needs to go based on a tick mark, then verify or fine-tune the output with the meter as needed.
Yep. That's all it needs.
I have the Reliable Barracuda and it gets the job done but is admittedly crude compared to a German Adler walking foot I used to have. I wish I hadn't sold that machine! I've never had a chance to use the Sailrite LSZ but I'd buy that if money was no object, based on what people say about it. In April '23 the Sailrite machine is twice the cost of the Barracuda in Canadian dollars (almost $1800!) and I still can't justify that, which is why I bought the Barracuda in the first place. I'm grateful that Sailrite's parts, manual and videos apply to the Barracuda (so far), as there really is nothing from Reliable. I've upgraded the flywheel and stitch length control with Sailrite's parts, lengthened the wire to the foot control (necessary!), altered the hinge location on Reliable's box (that wouldn't take the machine as supplied), filed the needle plate openings to allow me to use Sailrite's leather feed dog and generally tinkered until I'm reasonably happy with it. I'd have to say that this is not a machine for those not willing to tinker. Sailrite is still my go-to place for supplies and materials, even if they don't want to help with my machine...
I remember when you bought it ..Ed from HYC..lol.. going to buy the Barracuda myself
For those who can't afford a new Sailrite machine,can I suggest looking for older used semi-industrial machines? Some of these date back to the 1950s and 60s and are superbly engineered. One piece of advice I would like to add is don't use cheap needles. Dropped stitches and broken threads are often caused by needle deflection due to using a low-quality needle. Good quality needles are made from high grade steel which is stiffer stronger, stronger and holds a sharper point for longer.The difference between cheap and quality is like night and day. Groz-Beckert are generally considered to be the gold standard but I've also had very good results with Organ. Also make sure you're using the right size of needle for your thread. For V92 you want a 120/19 needle. V69 use either a 100/16 or 110/18. Hope this helps.
I am in USA🇺🇸, N. England & OHIO, WHERE buy QUALITY NEEDLES ?
Define semi-industrial please
I have owned a Sailrite ultrafeed for over 20 years now. Have sewn hundreds of projects including a total boat cover out of sunbrella for our C&C 37. It has sewn rachet straps gallore as well as bimini's you name it. The first project (The boat cover) saved me the entire cost of the machine plus all the accessories I bought with it. Don't regret my purchase one bit.
Nice video. I would have to say that I own a sailrite. I was brand new to sewing when I purchased it. sailrite’s machine has been flawless, their customer service in my opinion is amazing. They practically taught me how to sew. Hahaha I have called many times asking questions and they have been amazing. In fact, i reached out to them about sewing 90 degree corners and they literally told me to give them a couple days and they would post a video on how to do what i was asking. They are awesome.
Save up the extra money! Speaking from a personal experience with a cheaper alternative. Own a Sailrite now and it’s a amazing machine!
Excellent review! Memories of vocational high-school came to my mind. Your product reviews 👌 and technical maintenance come across in an understandable useful instructions.
Cool.. Glad it was useful...Cheers
I totally enjoyed your comparison.
I've owned and used the Sailrite Ultrafeed going on for 10 years. Of course, they're close to twice the price now. Sailrite videos are mind-blowingly useful, their employees unlike the owners are quite helpful.
At one time they encouraged customers to send in photos of projects they made using their Ultrafeed machine. So I submitted a Sioux, Native American Tipi I had designed and made for my grandchildren. They were obviously interested and asked for a copy of my CAD pattern file, which I freely sent. However, their interest totally evaporated when they found out I hadn't made it using their canvas. When they refused to help you with your Barracuda I wasn't the least bit surprised. Frankly, I own a couple Chinese-made sewing machines, one in particular looks like it was made by a drunk blacksmith, yet it sews as well as my Sailrite and it only set me back $150. As Paul Liuzzo commented, "a Ferrari and a Ford will both get you where you are going."
That was an excellent review. Very objective and informative about both machines. Good editing too. I had no idea about all the similar machines being sold.
Welcome to the USA, Most of the machines on your LIST, are ACTUALLY made by the SAME company . I have a REX, and I can truly say, That I have not had even a hint of problems sewing leather, and denim. The price was. $700 LESS than the sailrite. They might order a special model, but they as I understand it, make some additional tweeks, Makes the machine run better, but also elevates the price substantially. Best of luck to you 👍
Great video. I bought the Rex 607z and put a “genuine “ sail right wheel on it . Similar experience, worked great for my sailright stack pack project, but started skipping stitches. After months of being too frustrated to look at it anymore I sat down, watched some videos, and when I was just about ready to start adjusting things when I I realized I had a burr on my hook, probably crashed it into the needle. Cleaned up the burr, installed a new needle, and I’m back in business! Again, thanks for the info. Sewing machines can make you want to pull your hair out!🥂
Oh tell me bout it...it nearly became our new anchor many times... Its all down the the fine tuning.
Now if we could just make thread from the hair we pull out, it could replace some of the miles of thread we wasted "tuning".:)
that is a usefull video for cruisers! thank you! more of that! we all know that sand is white and palm trees green… but such a review is priceless
i purchased a Boacraf version from China, a little bit of tinkering with the tension etc does not skip a stitch, not a bad buy for $368 Aus dollars.
Thanks, great review. I just ordered the Reliable machine, but would definitely get the sailrite if I had a tad more cash right now and if I didn't enjoy tinkering. I have contacted their customer service twice, once asking a question on the website, and just now regarding my order, and both times I got a fast reply, so they may have improved that aspect of their business.
What a great comparison... This is the exact information I needed. I hate to say, that I immediately began looking for the mythic unicorn that is the 60.00 machine. Couldn't find in on Alibaba, so i went back to your video and rewatched the section where you showed the screen shot from the Alibaba page and then I saw it. The page you were looking at did indeed show the similar machine, but the 60.00 offering was not for the machine, it was for a wooden base and cover/carrying case only. Sad discovery, but honestly, the rest of the video put things in such good perspective for me, it was well worth that minor "damnit" moment lol. Cheers, and keep up the good work!
Great video… I had a Reliable Barracuda…and never seemed to be able to keep it fixed each time I used it. Maybe it was that driver. i eventually decided that it was better to just pay the pros, and got rid of the machine. It took up a lot of space. But our Reliable did serve us well for years. Great fair unbiased review… thanks for doing it..I always kind of wondered!
Ah I thought it was a SR Rebecca.
I remember I wanted to buy it from you in Richards Bay... That's how we first met you!
Thank you for the great video!! Very informative , I recently purchased the barracuda with the Cuda case , the machine itself seems solid , but agree with what you have said , some parts are of a rough finish , I will be purchasing the Cuda crank as I think it will be helpful , the carry case itself is beautiful , but the opening in it is a little too small for the machine & when you try to flip the machine up to change a bobbin it catches & has chipped the coated on the Carey case . So I have taken the hinges off & just lift the machine up from one end to change a bobbin , it’s much easier for me . I hope it it doesn’t let me down , it is cheaper then the sailrite , but still a little pricey when purchased new from Reliable .
I am fairly certain there are many of us that almost bought the Barracuda (and some that did) but deducted that the parts were inferior and it wasn't worth the $300 of grief. I was looking for years and years and figured that the cost difference was maybe up to $400 more (close to what you suggest) ...but being a newbie and looking at the Chinese made reviews, they were all around 1-2 on a scale of 5 being the highest, which is ALWAYS a red flag. I sort of wish your video was around when I bought my blue machine. It could have been the needed nudge to go Sailrite right away instead of wasting so many, many hours on-line trying to figure the same thing out. LOL maybe not however because I was too head strong to figure out your conclusion on my own. At least know I have that peace inside ...I
know that I did the right thing.
This is the best video or article on this topic of "buy the Sailrite or the knock-off" ... it is a very hard decision and impossible to determine without an apples to apples vid. Kudos for your objectiveness and achieved goal to avoid tainting the subject matter.
Thanks so much Mike.
That alibaba screenshot appears to be only the wooden base for $60, not the actual sewing machine
OMG - JUST FOUND YOUR VIDEO - I have been bloody struggling with the Barracuda (UNRELIABLE) for years and even broke the shaft on it. I did some how manage to make a bimini and dodger and redid most of my lounge and seats with p-leather BUT it was a MASSIVE struggle from the get go. I could not get it to stitch and it continually gathered from the hook over and over again. I bought it from a queensland supplier who used to sell Sailrite but the stopped and sold this heap of junk and now they don't sell it either. I wish I was told or discovered what you found out as I am no in the process to try and finish off my projects and either get the Barra going properly or just junk it and buy something else. Thanks so much for the video. Cheers Tim
Hello there, you got this from Queensland Sewing Machines? Yes, QSM will tell you themselves that they sold the (un)Reliable for 18 months but were let down by product and service. They have now been selling the Sakura-Stitch which is pretty much the same machine (as is the Sailrite) for the past 3 years. The new clone is called the Sailmate. If you still are in Brisbane maybe you can see them and ask them what they can do to make it right for you? I was thinking about buying the Sailmate for homebased sewing (vinyl purses, nothing too big, but too much for a domestic). Thanks, Rachel
A factor that I wish more people were taking into account is “this company charges more money for their product because they are employing people to assemble and maintain their machines, and provide customer support in the country where their customer base is, and are paying those people in a higher value currency.” That is important.
I bought a Barracuda earlier this year. One think to note, the warranty on the Sailrite I believe is 2 years, the Barracuda is a 3 year warranty. I replaced my needle plate on my Barracuda with Sailrite's needle plate which as you mentioned is graduated...a nice upgrade. Sailrite will sell their plastic flywheel or their chrome plated wheel, but they won't sell the bushing to convert the wheel to their posipin system where you can release the drive for the rest of the machine for bobbin winding. They told me this was a proprietary part. Great video and very fair comparison, thank you for posting.
Ah another Cuda brother... Cheers
Good information, I had done the same research and had made a deal to buy a machine from China until I got the bid for shipping to the states . $200 for the machine and $200 in shipping, wait an unknown time and have an orphan machine. As I get older my time becomes more valuable so rather than fiddling with that mess I purchased a used Sailrite.
Sure Albert... You may have saved yourself some headaches.
thank you for a great review of these machines. Well done. And very clear.
Thank Amy
Excellent video! Great side-by-side shots. Appreciate your insights. I'm leaning toward the Sailrite. Thx!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this review. I have the Sailrite machine. I had problems sewing using the lifetime uv thread. It's a plastic type of thread with a coating that kinda gums up the needle over time..AND..the thread tends to kink if you let it just come off the top of the thread spool..so I made a spool bracket that allows the tread to come off laterally and that seems to keep the kinking from occurring and thus making the sewing better when using the lifetime uv thread. AND a final thought on price....professional canvas makers charge SO much money that the price of the machine is inconsequential (my opinion)
That's funny. After all the difficulties I've read about with the lifetime thread... I've had no trouble at all with it... Cheers Robert
Thanks for sharing your opinion with us. Great video. Greetings from Bulgaria.
Tks Valman
I have a clone of the Sailrite LSZ1 which is a Mercury 530. I paid about $160 for it about 20 years ago. I was making adjustments to it the other day and my timing also went out. I was getting frustrated because i could not get the hook spacing right. Fortunately I saw a Sailrite video showing how to adjust it (my machine had the grub screws that allowed adjusting).
I agree they seem to need constant adjustment. My Mercury 530 has some junk grub screws on it. Simetimes it is hard to find an allen wrench that fits correctly. Probably the best thing would be to try to find higher quality grub screws and replace these cheap chinese screws.
I used my Walking Foot to make new sunbrella covers for all the cushions on my J30 sailboat and to do sail repair also.
I added a ring of 1/2” thick steel that I made in my metal fabrication shop to my existing flywheel that gave it significantly more weight. I also had an adapter ring that fit over the existing flywheel and increased the diameter, which increased the gear ratio quite a bit.
I bought the blue, zig zag Sail Rite a few years ago.
The forward reverse lever you pointed out was an Upgrade they offered which I purchased.
You can set the lenghts of both your forward and reverse stitches with it by using the locking adjustments.
I also bought the Servo Motor upgrade - I like it Very Much, I can control the speed of the machine perfectly
which is great as I am brand new to sewing. I'm waiting to see if you mention the internal differences
that the Sail Rite site points out in their videos.
Great video, thanks. We're quickly breaking or needing so much fabric work on our boat it is almost ridiculous. We just tore our spinnaker, the stack pack needs modifications, as does the cockpit tent, and you always get more line bags. It's impossible to pay someone else for it all, so a sewing machine, even a higher priced Sailrite, weight pays for itself.
This is true... Shame theyre so fricken heavy!
Great video! Thanks so much. I have tip. My machine is a Rex. New it was so tight and clunky we called it T-Rex. After a few years of that nonsense and using proper sewing machine oil, I decided to try oiling with Marvel Mystery Oil. After running threadless a few minutes, the racket stopped. It has run quiet and smooth ever since.
I use that stuff in my vehicle, too, 1 liter of Mystery with 4 Liters of Synthetic, and my Kia Rondo runs quieter and smoother and burns a little less fuel in summer but significantly less in our Canadian winters. For sewing machines, I got the idea from some sewing forum where a woman said she oiled her ancient Singer with it and thay she "could blow on it and it runs." It's not quite that good on the Rex but a total improvement from regular oil.
Ah wow... I wonder what's in that stuff? Will try to remember to pick some up... Cheers
Thompson was the one that developed the pattern of the machine. My industrial sewing machine mentor when I asked about used or Alibaba machines looked at me and said do you want the hobby of being a sewing machine mechanic? Because that's what those are.
I have a Barracuda for three years now. Done lots of sewing with Sunbrella material. Except that it sounds like a tractor, it does a very good job. I am satisfied.
10 years ago I bought a blue sailrite to recover the seats on our SeaRay sundancer boat. After the project was finished I sold the machine. 10 years later we have a sailboat. I want to re-cover garden furniture using UV thread that cannot be used in a domestic machine. I decided not to buy another Sailrite as I wasn’t impressed with it as a professional sewer. I have since bought the Kayser 2000 made by Gritzner from Germany. I’ve only just ran practice pieces and quite pleased with the Kayser machine. The manual says it needs a lot of oiling and stiff at first but will break in and will be easier to sew with
You guys are great! Keep it up… like these reviews.
Tks.. Cheers
Nice video, I bought the Sailrite, I bought it to make my own sailcovers, upholstry, and a bunch of other stuff. I had enough learning curve in basic sewing, having to mess with the machine would have increased the BS factor to a point that it wouldn’t be worth it. And Sailrite has information on making the “forward/reverse” lever not spring loaded. Thanks for the information.
Cheers Jay... Yup I almost threw the Barracuda overboard a few times... But I do read people have similar issues with their SR.
I am thinking the Sailrite for the same reason.
Where is this information on the forward/reverse lever, on SR's website or TH-cam channel?
Do a search on the Sailrite youtube channel for "How to Install the EZ Set Stitch Length Plate'. I have adjusted mine so it does not spring back up.
Great review. I know now more than before. The blue machine looks solid, just strong enough for the jobs I may do in the future. The fact that customer service is so much better makes it even more attractive.
I didn't realize how slow these machines are. But they seem perfect for a 'live-aboard' life like you have. I put my sails together in a shed with a Singer 107w1.
Slow but strong. Cheers Carl
Part of the slowness is due to the larger monster handwheel and it's increased number of cog teeth. It has close to twice the teeth of the standard handwheel, so it runs the gear train about half the speed and half the number of stitches per minute at close to twice the needle punch-through power. Both the added power and slower speed are big advantages for sewing thick, heavy fabrics and seams.
Interesting video.
For various good reasons, always wind the needle into the fabric before starting the motor.
Very Nice and honest video!!! I don't owe any of these two machines. What I have is a used JUKI LZ-271 machine, and that machine have never given me any problem, works very smoothly, and it is able to do those 8 layers without doing what this gentleman has to do with the flywheel as he calls it. The Juki is a more expensive machine- 1400.00 USD used- but it is a gem, and it came with table, thread stand, foot control, knee lifter, and a 110v servo motor that is very quiet. True, when I want to do Zig-zag, I have to change the needle plate, but my buddy can do embroidery with it, something I can't!!!!! But again, a very educative video with clear explanation from this gentleman.
Very nice words...tks Jorge
What is the machine you used to have. It was a regular sewing machine .. I can’t find the video thst you made. I think it was a Janome
Awesome video, I bought the sailrite last week and only then found this video in my recommendations.
You got the better one David... Even if your wallet is a little lighter.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter Not sure what the prices were before the whole pandemic and such if it was affected at all but yes it's a fantastic machine and I can't wait to put it to work!
Great vid! Great subject! Great comparison 💪🏽
Tks M8
Wow great advice showing the difference between the 2 sewing machines
Did u sit thru it Ian? More of a niche audience for this vid.
My tension cover for the knob fell off a couple years ago, dont need it. Just count half turns while adjusting for new project/ fabric/tensions and make a note so you can return to where you were.
I usually sew 500D Cordura and Ottertext, when I switch to lets say a HyperD 300, I know from a note how much to dial the tensiob knob and the presser foot to get me close. Then just dial it back the other way when you switch back to the 500D.
The presser foot is even easier. 5/8" exposed on top for 500D, backed all the way out, then one or two turns back in for the lighter HyperD.
I dont even look at the cheat sheet anymore, just keep track of last fabric you sewed.
Thanks for the video, very informative. I believe you machine has in fact has a method for disconnecting the drive for winding bobbins. The knurled knob on the flywheel is I believe the same as Singer machines - Turn the knob counter clockwise and it will unlock the flywheel from the main shaft. If you remove or loosen the small screw in that knob you will be able to see how it works.
I put a big wheel on my Rex. At first, after loosening the knurled wheel, the needle still went up and down. I removed and replaced the wheel a few times and finally got the parts in the right order and alignment, so now the needle disengages properly.
Thank you for the review. Excellent presentation.
Tks Pat
Hi, thanks for the comparison.
I've just bought a Barracuda (used). The person I bought it from was using the incorrect needles so thought it was not working for their needs. It works fine. I do agree on the 'clunky' ness aspect, though I've never sewn with a sailrite though I can hear the difference in your video.
I did notice however, that you rotated the flywheel backwards when finishing the seam demonstration. This is a sure way to mess up the timing. You should never do this (just saying), rule one of sewing with any machine.
I'm going to be sewing mostly sunbrella or heavier upholstery type fabrics and not sails like you very talented boat owners. I will replace the top on our fishing boat and I may bite the bullet and buy a sailrite someday. They do have a big presence on the web, and their products ship amazingly fast. I do envy you, being in the US. I had to pay duty and shipping on my orders, just over the border to Canada.
Thanks again, you were very informative. You have a very pretty boat!
Tks Janette,.. And thanks for the tip.
The Barracuda compression release type clutch has a washer. They get put in backwards sometimes making the clutch fail to release. No oil or to an heavy oil on shaft can give same effect.
You probably won't see this but I got Campers Tent model for a little over $100 It sewed too fast so I built a
reducing gear with a Sailrite drive gear and jack shaft to cut the speed in half. Sews fine now at slower speed.
Great Video. Good to see you CAN get a sail capable machine really cheap if your prepared to fiddle with it. I might go the $60 but would probably buy 2 or 3 (spares) if it wasn't for the weight consideration on a sailboat.
Your right with the motor sizes. Watts = Amps * Volts
So, if the engine rating is given in Watts your comparing apple for apple regardless of Voltage because Watts are simply a product of Amps and Volts. Double the Volts and you half the amps.
So, the Cheaper machine has a much more powerful motor and that is normally a plus.
The Sailrite being a physically larger motor may mean its been built more robust and that can ultimately be a reliability plus, but in the short term, the cheaper machine wins in that department.
However, it looks like the Cheaper machine was given the more powerful motor to get around the stiffness and binding issues you showed, means it WILL wear out faster.
My Mother is a [seamstress/tailor/mad keen dressmaker] so I have had to repair / replace odd bits and pieces in the past. She has both heavy duty machines and hi-tech embroidery machines (Singer, Phaff, Bernina etc) The Singer is this old heavy solid as a rock machine that has a 2.5hp motor. It would be ideal for sail making, but its way to heavy to have on a boat. it requires 2 people to move it and its setup on a really large cast iron frame, designed to be bolted to the floor.
Ah cool feedback... Tks Raptor
Great job on the comparison video. When you get right down to it, a Ferrari and a Ford will both get you where you are going. It comes down to quality, reliability, finish, and product support.
True Paul... But value for money is a big factor for us on a lower income.
Cheers
Good vid. I don’t need a sawing machine, but still good to know if ever I needed to know
Cheers
Enjoyed the video. I bought a Strongaem for AUD$1000. Sailrite was twice that. Have become quite the sewing machine mechanic since then retuning the machine. Agree with all your points and whilst it would have been nice to start with a Sailrite, it was a big step not knowing if i could master sewing and enjoy it (can do both now). Having trained myself and tamed the machine not much incentive to make a bigger investment. The Strongarm pays for itself on a regular basis and not sure if i would use a very expensive machine with a long arm, bobbins that never run out etc.
Cheers Terry... Yup, ya gotta be handy with the tools with these machines.... The Sailrite is no exception.... When we get back nearer to China, I'll give one of those cheapies a go...the 9" version.
Hi there, on Jupiter! Thanks for this great review. I searched and searched, and never found any 60$ Sailrite's sister. I think it's the price of the box actually, wether it's a wooden or plastic one. The cheapest machine I found was around 190$, plus 50$ for the big wheel, wich makes 240$, and...250$ for the shipping!! So we're on an average price of 550$. The good point is the long arm machine (9") isn't much more expensive, just about 50 or 60$ extra; but the shipping cost jumps from 95$ for the 7"arm to... 250$ for the 9"arm machine. I encountered other brands than the ones you cited, but overall the price is always 550$ or so: half a sailrite.
It's been a week since I begun searching for an affordable machine, and I still don't know!!! Not sure I'll have the skills to make it whit a cheap machine if it comes to jam. Some advise you to oil your machine before the first use, some appear to be luckier than others. Heaven knows! 550$ is still an amount!
Yes you are correct on the $60 base... I worked that out after publishing the video... Sorry about that. Shame about the freight price... It would be worth the gamble if it wasn't for the freight... I just saw SR at the boat show and the zigzag machine with all the bells and whistles is $1600 now!... That may have included the table... Not sure.
Hi, thanks for a pretty fair comparison of the two makes. I have been eyeing up the 9" Chinese version and reckon I can tweak it to suit my portable sewing needs.
One thing you didn't mention is that these machines need regular and generous oiling and after the work you put the Reliable through it would be a bit dry, clanky and stiff.
I am betting the skipped stitches are down to the thread choice - it makes a huge difference on these machines. Sailrite has an advisory on skipped stitches for certain threads. Overall a good video, looking forward to more 👍
Hey thanks BM... Yeah, I've had a comment here, someone bought the 9", and have had no problems... Ill definitely get one when we are back in Asia.
I was watching some Sailrite videos yesterday and they made comments about certain threads causing skipped stitches.
A new Sailrite Ultrafeed zig-zag basic model is now $1,245.00! That doesn't include the big flywheel. Just ordered a REX 607Z for $399.00. Not $60, but still within the budget. Ordered the Sailrite big wheel for it.
They raised the price because they just updated it and added features. I just bought a refurbished one of the previous version for $845.
Its called inflation.
I think it was a good decision to get the cases for both machines. Interesting, Consew is an expensive industrial machine. At least they were. I am wondering if someone is using the name. Good video, because lots of people also must be asking can I get a walking foot machine that can do big zigzag stiches for less money than the Sailrite. Sailrithe is a good company, as you know since you have been a customer of their fabrics for a long time. I started with their sail kits. $995 is a lot of money to spend on a sewing machine. Then again avoiding problems, especially when you are traveling is priceless. I remember the original Sailright machine was available with a hand crank.
I'm surprised at a lot of comments on the Sailrite FB group saying they have a lot of trouble with them also! I think fine tuning is the key.
Consew is Japanese made commercial grade. They are the original patent holders of this design. Model Cp-146r.. Their made in Japan /made in Taiwan offerings (80’s - 90’s) are superior in quality to all of the Chinese clones that followed. I use mine regularly on heavy material (leather /canvas), purchased 6 years ago-flawless workhorse. Sailrite appears to be the best choice, with best support outside of the original.
For fixing sales and making Stuff for your boat it’s always good to have a good sewing machine I have one that I can sow leather with that part is way too big and bulky do you have one or sailboat!
This was a very interesting an informative video
cheers
Thanks Gudjon
Hello. New subscriber. I looked for that seller on Alibaba and the machine is now about $200.
Sailrite has been around since 1969. The Chinese "copied" it.
Sailrite's support is FANTASTIC! I mean you establish a relationship with the people there. Long time family business.
There is so much more to a Sailrite machine - the internal components are heavy duty. I have had mine for over 15 years now. I have NEVER had any issues and I have really pushed the machine. I did have to adjust the shuttle driver once after I really pushed it and must have rotated from rough handling. It was easily fixed. I just upgraded my LS (straight stitch only) with the worker B motor.
and btw, you should put the hand crank handle that comes with monster wheel on the sailrite (like the old "necker knobs" on steering wheels)
Thanks for the video. The $60 Alibaba price on your video is just for the wooden case not the Sawing machine as you can read from the description in the page.
You're right Allison, I used the wrong clip... The machine is actually $180...well spotted.
Thanks after watching your review, we decided to order the reliable 200zw.
We are from Canada , service is near us compared to the sailrite and price is cut in half.
I was up to 2000$ Canadian for the sailrite … exchange rate, tax and shipping increased cost very fast.
Are you happy with it? Mine has caused frustration, but has forced me to take more care in the fine tuning. I still can't justify the SR price.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter I believe it will be perfect for my needs.
And we also purchased the heavy crank
Great vid ,thanks for comparison
Cheers Michael
I have both the same machines, the barracuda sits in the corner and hasn't been used (since I got the sailrite) as every time I used it it needed adjusting. I have had the sailrite for two years and not one problem. I since got the worker B upgrade, it is absolutely the most powerful sewing machine I have ever used. lots of reviews on TH-cam. the folks that use high end machines even like the new power option!!!!
Yeah CF, I'll try acquire a SR when I come across a cheaper one second hand. Judging by comments on the Facebook Sailrite group they do have similar problems so I'm sure someone will sell it off cheap! But it is definitely the superior machine.
The Sailrite with the WorkerB Power Pack has significantly more power and max speed on the pedal can be manually adjusted with a dial so speed control is more refined.
Yep.. Nicer machine.
I was thinking on buying the Sailrite ultrafeed LS, when I first started sewing bags, but I couldnt afford it, so I bought a clone machine one called the sewstrong 607, for $359.99 at the time, the L is for long, my machine has a 9" work bed compared to the Sailrite, barracuda and the Rex607 that only have a 7" bed, those 2 extra inches come in handy, I had mine for over 6 years now, and its been a work horse, I make backpacks and outdoor gear so I needed a strong machine, I did do a couple of modification to it, I put on the SailRite power plus balance wheel, and stitch length adjuster, best mods I did to it. I do have a video of me sewing with it. Just keep your machine well oiled and adjusted right and clean up any rough spots and burrs and it will give you years of service.
As in the old adage, you get what you pay for. When I have the confidence in my skills to repair and keep equipment running I have purchased cheaper equipment, but over the last 55 years I have come to regret it because my time is worth something and constantly repairing an item because the parts wear out faster or the quality is just not there adds up to regret for not spending the upfront money on a quality item. As far as Paul Liuzzo's comment about comparing Ferrari to Ford, I think that is an unfair comparison. A Ferrari is NOT made for durability. A better comparison would be a Ford and a baseline Kia and a Lexus. The durability and precision made parts ensure longevity that the cheap parts just cannot provide. You get what you pay for and now I wait a little longer on a purchase till I have the money and make the (what I believe is) the better choice. Thanks for the video. Excellent presentation and good logical assessments.
Thanks WF.... FYI, I've had a lot of feed back from the Sailrite FB group... There is a lot of annoyed Sailrite owners also complaining about breakdowns, even when brand new!
Thanks for sharing with us.
Sure thing Dyana
Fantastic video but I got to ask will the knob from the Barracuda with numbers fit on the Sailrite Machine?
The difference is just a sticker. Any stick-on label could be trimmed, marked and stuck on to the same effect. A markable adhesive tape, too - perhaps 1st aid or kinesio tape or ???
Good video Jamie. A bit arcane - but hey! I love tools and nerd stuff. I watched every second. So those really big zigzag stitches on sails:Are they not made on Sailrite machines? (You mentioned at one point you were going to sew the largest zigzag on the Sailrite.)
A sewing machine was on my list of 'tools to get someday' for years. I finally got a Janome off Amazon. It took me almost a year to figure out that it wasn't my inexperience, the machine was out of whack. When I called Janome they said "We don't sell on Amazon" and refused to honor their lifetime warranty (the fake "Janome" is still on Amazon now labeled as "Brand: Janome". (Take "Brand:" as a warning.) Really annoying. What I learned from the sewing machine repairer is that when they jam they can skip a cog knocking the sequence of sewing-steps, 'timing', out of whack. So even if you replaced the part that wasn't doing its job, somewhere deeper inside a cog has probably skipped and that's what needs adjusting. I think if what happened to you happened to me, I'd just find a good sewing machine repairer and pay the $100-$200.
A Sailrite machine is on my list as soon as I have a good excuse to buy it. I have the $1500 version on my sailboat outfitting list. They seem easy to contact - I met some of the people seen on their TH-cam videos. I assume great customer service. It is a premium price, but I see a sewing machine not as an end, but as a means towards a more important end. (No one buys an old British sports car as basic reliable transportation to work. They're too unreliable, a lot of tinkering. The 'end' here is getting a classic fun car that you get to do a lot of tinkering with. Kind of like your Barracuda machine.) Bottomline for the Sailrite? When you make new seat cushions or a bimini cover , that everyone who goes on your boat are going to see - all the stitches will be perfect.
The similarities of the machines suggests to me that there's a 'parent' machine maybe not Sailrite or Barracuda. Whatever this machine is it's patents have long expired so Sailrite made improvements Barracuda just made a copy. I'll bet you could find a machine from the 1960s that still works as well as the Sailrite that is the parent of both machines. I'd be suspicious of that $60 machine. Factory rejects? (I think I'd try to 'tell' the company I wanted to buy and try one before ordering 200 for my sewing factory. After getting so many broken higher end appliances and powertools off Amazon I'm getting the impression Quality Control no longer sends the rejects back to get fixed, but instead just sells them off through Amazon (Honeywell Crop has done this to me twice now - through Amazon. Another thing that happens on Amazon. The same listing in early days sells top quality, gets a great review, then switches to crappy quality to make a larger profit.)
Customer service is currently a criminal scam. They make you wait on hold while they torture you with distorted music. Then the robot tries to shunt you off to some automated response so they can hang up on you. If you do get a person, they usually have no authority to do anything meaningful. And at the end of it they want you to 'complete a short survey.' And what do they ask? Was the call center person 'nice.' None of this in the end serves the company. You wind up loathing them. But somewhere in the hierarchy is some petty middle manager who got a bonus for reducing the number of customer service calls, lowering warranty expenses... while no one is aware that all those customers they got rid of will never buy another of the company's products and have told all their friends to also not buy.
I agree with you Will...its almost impossible to find a company who will really stand behind its product these days... Although when we lived in China, I was generally impressed by their customer service!!!..my experience was If i was unhappy with a product that I'd bought online they would give me a full refund.. No need to return the item!... Depending on the item of course....and freight there is so cheap if you did return it.... I'd take a $60 gamble for that copy machine for sure, if i was still there.
“ I'll bet you could find a machine from the 1960s that still works as well as the Sailrite that is the parent of both machines.” Yes-that parent is Consew.
Model Cp-146r to be precise. They are the original patent holders of this design. Their made in Japan /made in Taiwan offerings (80’s - 90’s … maybe 60’s🤔 ) work Better than both. (I use mine regularly… flawless workhorse).
@@JE-ed6te Thank you J E !
THANKS JE !!! I always wanted to know who the original manufacturer was. Sure, it would be "nice" to have the Sailrite, but their prices have always been rediculous, and even more so now that they've upgraded their motor with their "Workerbee" $450 motor, so now the LSZ is $1250 BEFORE any options !! The one video you'll NEVER see on Sailrite's web site is the one where their techs take the clone out of the box and " tweak" or install parts to make it a "Sailrite,"....I think you scratched the surface here with this piece you replaced on your Barracuda. I have the Yamata/Feiyue/Family Sew FS288Z that I've added the Sailrite Monster Wheel II years ago, works fine. Yes, there's a "Customer Service" argument to be made, but I was always put off by the "honesty" argument, they are NOT manufacturing these machines...just tweaking and marking them up so only rich Americans can afford them.
Good information to know thanks
comparing on price, how it came across doesn't take into context that warranty support or quality of parts; but great review. can you share what items you have made/repaired ?
Good information. Thank you!
Cheers Robert
Excellent video❤️❤️❤️
I'm looking at buying a machine for some projects on our boats. If I get through the first couple of projects with my sanity. The Sailrite will be my choice.
What a great video after using an antique Singer commercial machine for years I bought a used Chinese what is called powerpro Plus which was the Clone to the sale right like you looked at and it's a zigzag but it has a 9 inch gate is compared to the 7-in I have been using it for a number of projects a full enclosure Bimini Dodger enclosure and has been a great machine I did add the monster wheel but I bought it as a Chinese knockoff off eBay so got to say I didn't make a wooden case for it because the plastic case it came in was kind of chintzy but for the money I love it
Ooo yeah the 9" would be nice.
Gracias por compartir espero encontrar una maquina de uso como la azul que muestras jejeje al mejor precio posible saludos desde Iztapalapa CDMX
Shalomyour sailboat/Yacht looks amazing, love how tanned you guys are, what a beautiful lifestyle...🏝⛵
Not sure about sewing machines, but my friend bought two chinese made 5hp outboards from aliexpress(I think). Before he ran them, I took one, disassembled it, cleaned it up(deburring, cyl hone, valve lap. smoothed the gears, Carb etc) Put it back together and gave it back. He mounted them both on his 16ft boat and ran them equally. with the same oil and gas. the one straight out of the box lasted 4 years of above average use, the one I cleaned is still running strong.
In my opinion much of the chinese stuff has the potential to be reasonable. but assembly and attention to detail of the products is grossly lacking. And yes the Metallurgy and composite quality is also lacking. It was very easy to file the piston rings and bearing races. Most of the plastic was not glass fiber(or ever fiber) reinforced.
I think if you took apart the Barracuda, cleaned the parts (maybe put some graphite or molybdenum disulfide on the moving parts it would run a lot smoother.
Not sure about the motors but they both should pull about the same amount of amps, therefore the power output should be about the same.
A very good review and comparison. 👍. I have no idea what the comments about bias are about.
I've got the Chinese Rex RX-607Z. AUD300 used in Australia. A new Sailrite would have been ~AUD2000 delivered to Australia.
Sailrite is definitely a better machine with better support but mine works and does everything I need (a 9" arm would be nice though).
I'd say it's the 80/20 rule at work: 80% of the features for 20% of the price. Works for me but might be different for someone that does need the extra features, reliability or support.
Yep.. You're all over it.. I agree.. Happy with the crappier low cost version.
I collect vintage sewing machines and raced the Trans Atlantic sailboat race . Daytona to Bermuda . I sailed and crewed boats around the islands. Bucket list learn to sew
Great show. That sailrite is balanced and blue printed eh! Like a hot fod sewing machine! Great stuff.Cheers..C.C.R real wood boat Co 🎙🏴☠️🏁🎼⚖🎤🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦rgds mac
Cool.. Cheers Mac
Great review - thanks !!!
Glad it was helpful!
SEWLINE 146-7 We have a 35 footer sailboat in PANAMA. the SEWLINE has done 2 cock pit covers (12'x13' truck tarp stuff) plus 1 sail cover plus plus sunbrella dodge..leather interior on a '69 XKE..tonnue cover and more...has not broke yet. Is it perfect, NO ...cost new now some $500 with zig zag. Just under 50 lbs so lots of plain rides...see if we leave it in humid Panama it will rust so back to dry/hot Phoenix. I am sure both are great machines.
I bought a Morse machine (essentially the same) about 12 years ago for $350. I have had some problems, and one part of the internal mechanism broke. I was able to buy the replacement part from SailRite. I also had to add the monster wheel separately. There are some timing issues, but I am able to sew things. I have made 2 sails, repaired 2 other sails, and made several canvas projects. Everything appears to be compatible with the SailRite machine, but, as you mentioned, SailRite will not talk with you about a machine without their brand.
Yeah Jeff... I wish they were more affordable. It is definitely a nicer machine.
Interesting video. Nothing I will ever need or use, but interesting none the less.
Yeah, a niche audience Joe...Cheers
What a cool comparison... you could be Tom Jones son..
This is actually a very good episode. Yes, the numbering would be good.
Tks Jim
What happens if you take off the automatic rebound spring?
I just got a Tuffsew, and have the feeling it's like your 'Reliable'. I also went through a big sewing machine learning curve with my company years back when we had bag closers for production work. One thing, if the machine was bought with the idea of using it a lot, I'd definitely go with the Sailrite. As mine will be used once a year for a few hours, I'm hoping the cheap machine will be up to the task. If not, I'll ether put on my apron and tear it apart, or if feeling lazy, take it back to the sewing expert whom I bought it from and he'll fix it... hopefully for less than the difference between the two machines.
I think you would need to be a mechanic with a sail rite also….the fine tuning is critical….and they just don’t stay in tune!
I think you would need to be a mechanic with a sail rite also….the fine tuning is critical….and they just don’t stay in tune!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Cheers Moe
Thanks for sharing the acknowledge !!!
Since you have both machines, can you figure it out what is that is needed in order to achieve the reverse level with one hand, maybe frankestein the reverse level part from the Chinese to the Sailrite?
$60 is for the wooden case only, check the listing you include in the video
Hey Roberto...the sailrite is not mine, its a friends... I'm sure he'll notice if i start swapping parts!
Oh you're right!... well spotted Roberto... I used the wrong clip... the machines are $180
Sailrite sells the two-pin stitch-length system for retrofitting on older machines. The installation video for it th-cam.com/video/Z93bfzwAHP4/w-d-xo.html shows how to convert from the friction mode to the spring mode during the installation. Presumably this could be reversed from spring to friction mode if desired or ignored if adding it.
The two stop pins would be handy for back-stitching frequently and keeping stitch length without fuss.
You could of drilled and tapped a hole in the driver and install your own set screw. If the original driver was not worn or damaged something else was out of adjustment.
Those machines are very similar to my consew cp146rl. They probably all come from the same factory in Asia. Tuffsew and Thompson all have identical machines as well.
hi great video. can you do a real in-depth video about the differences ? like showing all the parts they upgraded telling what they are...
Hehe.. Sorry Dvir...thats all of the sewing machine videos, I've got in me.
Can He do a 'Real In DEpth ViDeo about The DiFfereNcEs?!?.... DuDE...DiD You NoT just Watch this EXtREMLeY, HiGHlY DeTaiLED, ExQuisitE, ToP NoTch InFormativE 38 MiNUTE videO, about the DiFFEreNceS betweeN BoTh thEse UnITS?!?...W.T.F MoRE do You Want from this fella?!?.. I Mean DaM# Guy.. How Would HE know the Difference in the "Upgraded pats' between both units?!?..He's NoT the ManUfactuReR Guy.. Besides they're not "upgraded parts. They just appear cleaner, more polished..Did you Not hear him say that?!?..Blows my mind ,you can even be serious ,asking him to do that..Unreal..smh.
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I bought a Singer 2Ku33 in 2016 because Sailrite was not available where I live. It works well, no skipped stitches but noisy. It cost about USD700 at the time. I have sewn through 16 layers of upholstery fabric without any issue. The only problem was that the presser feet rubbed against each other. I was afraid to sew fast because it might generate heat or damage the presser feet....not sure how to adjust it but I might grind/sand it down if it becomes unbearable.
I attempted to purchase a wheelbarrow from China for a wonderful price. A couple of weeks later some cheep socks arrive from China worth $5 at most. The package was sent so receipt could be proved. A few weeks later when wheel barrow had not arrived I complained. The seller attempted to use the proof of receipt of socks as proof I received wheelbarrow. The details of sock shipping showed item was under one pound in weight. I presume if you order $60 machine you’re gonna get socks.
I have to ask did you slide the bobbin winder unit at the top of machine to the right on the barracuda, so the needle doesn't go up and down, that's what that space is for.
If the sewing machine is double insulated then you don't need an earthing pin at all.
The motor will be smaller because you don't need as thick a wire for a higher voltage. You can also deliver greater power, as watts=voltsXamps - so double the voltage, you double the power at a similar motor size.
Thanks PI.. I'm quite sure this big lump of cast iron is not double insulated!
@@SailingLifeonJupiter The motor might well be, and then just bolted to the chassis. But either way....
Good Video, did you go through each machine and lubricate them at all points? I wonder if that would make a big difference? I tend to polish rough machines to make them smooth as I do on Gun triggers ... I would go with the $60 machine, polish and lubricate it upon receiving it and a cabinet is easily made. I like how you sourced the sailright parts into the reliable unit, Good thinking.!!
Have to say the first time I heard a sailright run?? I thought you paid how much for that machine? sounds like it is falling apart. I totally agree on a Broken in second hand machine.
Yep both freshly lubbed... There was a big difference in how smooth the Sailrite was.
@@SailingLifeonJupiter I checked locally for an industrial machine and found a CONSEW 210 for 250$ thought that is a great deal, the video of it sounded like a Swiss Watch,, buttery smooth...
I make knives Jamie and bought a Chinese copy of an old singer for 68.$ for making sheaths and Gun holsters as a hand crank unit it is even good on some lighter sail patches and repairs, It has a place on my boat..
yes… very buttery…
Great video I watched it twice. I want to buy a super cheapo and then replace the driver part in that you recommended. The price on Alibaba seems to be $250 now? Do you happen to know of a place to find it for Less? I tried some other brand names. But it's a rabbit hole lots of these machines at prices are all over the place. I'd love to find one for $60 I might be on the fence at 250. I live in Florida I'm not sure if that affects the prices that the internet sends me.
You know Yoweee. I led you on a bum steer there... $60 turned out to be for the wooden base only... I did see them available for about $180.
Try using a vpn so you can appear in a different country... You might find a cheaper price.