The Noctua coolers are beast, I recently compared 3 of them and I'll be sticking with the U14S :) not only better performance but they also seem quieter than the AIO's.
@@Ramasamykasi I have a U14S in my home server. On the X399 Taichi which has the upper slot as far up as possible, it slightly pushed against the GPU backplane. I used the 3mm offset and now it does not interfere. It's hard to reach the PCIe slot lock but other than that it doesn't make life too hard.
@@geoli6407 Except gamer nexus is heavily biased towards water cooling. From my own personal tests, air beats water most of the time. There are exceptions but not great enough to warrant the hassle and risk of an AIO gamble. IMO for me to justify switching from Noctua to the AIO, the AIO has to definitively, unequivocally beat air, not just kinda beat air...sometimes. If AIO products get to the point where they can keep my temps below 30 even under load, then ill switch, otherwise there simply isn't enough of a reason to switch.
Asetek is the dominate manufacturer for AiOs. They've had more than enough time to make changes but they haven't. This is a comparison between options available on the market and bit air coolers when. Also, Hardware Canucks did this test on LGA 1151 like a year ago and air coolers still won in terms of temps and noise.
The Noctua brown fans could always be switched for other ones for a better look too. Fan coolers have way too many pro's not to use them. Too many horror stories of AIO coolers dying or water leaking out and killing something in the case.
Some companies prefer to do the ineffective direct advertising rather than sending out review units and letting people see an objective review of the performance of the product.
Yeah, the various TH-camrs are basically becoming really repetitive. It's all Corsair, Tt, Fractal, NZXT. Even Phanteks and others have dropped off the radar. And if you're a little guy trying to get in the game, forget about it.
It works wonders! I have the Noctua 120mm TR4 cooler and it was idling (and general use) 10-15c higher than the Enermax which idles between 19-30c @ 4Ghz.
Same results with my 1950X and the NH-U14s with Push-Pull Configuration - Temps around 55°C during full load - even after many days rendering. After seeing this i might over clock this beast to 4Ghz as well.
It was due to this review that I went with the U14S and I can't wait to torture test it before I get into any serious work. You made a great and valid point about not wanting to deal with any static when it comes to continuous productivity workloads and not having to worry about the system not cooling enough or pumps crapping out over time (can't have an oh sh*t moment when you have a big project on the table) Great job again guys, great presentation and video work. Keep at it!
How to set a scenario in which my sponsor wins? Tips to why this is sponsored: 1. Not the same brand in an Air vs Liquid comparison 2. Not liquid solution designed for TR but yes for the Air one 3. Noctua does not offer AIO liquied cooled solutions ^^
most of the time Air coolers look ugly.. and are way to big.. just my opinion. and for the AIO's i really think they look good but, their are shit, i had like 3 AIO's in 1 year i switched to a complete costum loop and i dont regret it :)
I don't know if you are right on that. I have a 1700 and 1080ti and the stock cooler made my room feel at least 10-15F warmer after a 5-8 hour gaming session vs my Deepcool Captain 240EX over roughly a longer gaming session. Of course, toward the end of the gaming session with the AIO the room started to heat up but I was done by that time. This doesn't mean that it dissipates less heat but instead dissipates it a lot slower into the room making it a lot more comfortable to be around.
So the U12S cools way better, no problems with clearance, sounded like the quietest cooler, and less than half of the price of the AIO. Thumbs up Noctua as usual
I made my first Noctua purchase with an NF-U14S for my TR 1900X home server. And boy, did I not expect the results. Idle I see a maximum of 40°C - that's 5°C cooler than the mainboard temperature Unraid reports - at
Thanks Eber for a refined review of these coolers. Seems that a cooler doesn't have to look good to perform good. Noctua coolers seem to be really doing well. I was genuinely surprised.
Awesome test! Well prepared, informative and a good conclusion! The charts are informative - you show the threadripper model and the clock frequency, which is not always given (I just came from other channels). Thanks a lot!
It's quite amazing a single tower air cooling performs that well. One would expect an NDH15 equivalent for threadripper to be an absolute beast. Low RPM fans, low noise, less dirt and all that nice stuff.
I recently bought Threadripper 1950 for rendering. I’m planning to use all its 16 cores of power, but I’m not sure if the Noctua U12S cooler can handle this much heat. Not gonna overclock, just regular user.
All of the AIOs that you showcased were meant for smaller single die CPUs and they had a fin-stack made for... you guessed it, smaller single die CPUs. Even though the cold plate of the block may have been big enough the whole chip, the fin stack was not. At best the fin-stack of the cold-plates on these coolers would have covered half of each die on TR; which simply doesn't cut it. That full cover cold-plate make a world of difference, as you can see with the Nactua cooler. If you want to do a real comparison compare the same Nactua coolers to an open loop using EK's TR block or if you can find one a AIO with a block made for TR - I think Enermax is making one. P.S. Not saying this is a bad video. The teams just weren't evenly matched to start - don't send a cement truck to haul a 18 wheeler load.
I went with Air Cooled and no issues so far but I still need to put it under load. I dodged the Eneger TR4 AIO returned it as soon as I did my research. ... if you are looking consider just getting the Noctua.
I got NH-U14S for my 1950x. Got tired of water cooling maintenance. Noctua is king. All packed in thermaltake wp100 for good airflow. If you got a place to put this monster of a case, get it. You'll not regret it.
To say that air coolers are better than liquid for threadripper I feel is a vast generalization. Probably should’ve used an aio meant for a threadripper socket like those from enermax. Either way love the videos thanks for the content.
you made the same mistake as linus if you want to compare the two cooling methods then you need the liquid coolers to have the same die coverage as the air coolers
That's only a bottleneck-effect. It's unlikely that the heatflow is restricted because of the contact surface. You can simply test it by just applying paste in the center and not covering the whole thing. I saw a review doing exactly that and the temperature difference was marginal.
The NZXT CPU blocks don't seem to cover the IHS as much as the Noctua air coolers. I think a water cooling loop with a custom CPU block would do a better job.
Switching to air over liquid. Recent pump failure shifted my opinion (I dont OC). I can see if a fan is working or not I cant see a pump or get an alarm from the mobo if a pump fails like a fan.
this is an apples to oranges comparison... you're using an AIO which the heat sink was never designed to cover such a huge surface area vs the heat sink on the air cooler which was specifically made for it.. all this proves to me is that the tool that was made for the job works better than something that was designed for something else and adapted to kinda work. it was an absolutely stupid move on AMD's part to even suggest using an adaptor plate because i would say the mounting points being wrong is a pretty minor problem as opposed to only covering about 3/4's of the cpu lol
rajesh koothrappali I read somewhere that noctua internal tests showed no big benefit with the d15. And you can possibly imagine that if Eber had clearance issues with the 14 what would can expect from such a behemoth
How exactly do you clean the thermal paste out of the little screws on an AIO, I build computers but, recently a costumer of mine had a small capacitor on his motherboard burn up, I didn't know this and couldn't diagnose it so I took the computer to another shop and they figured it out. They tested the CPU and put WAY too much thermal paste on the cooler. Any help would be much advised.
Its not that Aircooling is better, especially than overclocking - its more the fact that ALL AIOs do NOT even Cover the DIEs fully while the Noctuas contacts are build for TR4. So in the End the AIOs WOULD be way better especially handling OC and higher TPDs but since the Noctuas can work (as of now) way more efficient.. its basically a better way going for the small Noctua NOW and waiting for better AIOs designed for the large TR4 Surface. :)
yes! there are already a few TR4 ones out that would be even more interesting - but I dont blame him since these are the coolers most people would choose. :)
I have the 92mm noctua on my 1950x, when on desktop my cpu temps change between 30’C to 60’C max all the time, like every 2mins and then my noctua cpu cooler gets loud. Is everything okay with my system?
I'm using U14S with Ryzen 5 1600 4ghz @1.35v/1.37v.. Under P95 and Cinebench I get 70/74C during the winter. This Noctua U14s version its not so different but I can't understand how can max only 60C on this old overclocked threadripper. Tried different thermal past, reseat, max fan with same higher result. TDP is also way different on TR compared to 65W of my R5 1600, how possible this results?
so i have a 8350fx with a bequiet dark pro 4 , im pleased with this set up ... except of course now its time for a cpu upgrade... im going with slightly dated technology with the 1950x threadripper.. i notice the noctua nh-u14s says nothing under specifications for str4 ..... however its being used with a threadripper... so my question is will my or can my BQDP4 be used or modified to be used with my incoming threadripper?
Any chance of a Air CPU cooler showdown for threadripper, something like Noctua U14S, Thermalright True Spirit Power, Scythe Mugen5, Bequiet DarkPro, Cryo R7, Coolermaster 212 (or whicever can run on threadripper), just a rundown to see if aircooling is viable on other brands besides noctua, specially since only noctua developed a very different bottom, the rest are just mounting adaptations.
Another great review! Can you guys review the Cooler Master ML360 RGB TR4 Edition? It's the only other AiO liquid cooler on the market I've seen specifically made for Threadripper other than what Enermax has.
A lot of cpu's are not designed to run hot enough under safe conditions if they were say 100"c any fan blowing on a heatsink/RAD would be more effective due to the bigger difference in temperature meaning more performance in terms of cooling. Think of how quick your tempatures drop in your car or bike when the fan kicks in its basically the same effect
I dunno but it seems like some of the temp difference could be to do with CPU coverage more than it has to do with the cooler, afaik the temp difference on smaller CPUs is much smaller which would indicate similar cooling performance in the right scenario's
Two inaccuracies I noticed: Firstly, NH-U12S is not Noctuas smallest / most inexpensive cooling solution for Threadripper, because that would be NH-U9 TR4 (although I don't see the value of such a small cooler on an enthusiast platform anyway and this is just me nitpicking, but still). Secondly, you keep talking about TRs massive die size, while actually meaning the heatspreader. The dies below it are not particularly large (not even a bit larger than their AM4 siblings, in fact), there just happen to be several of them in a multi-die configuration. I think you know those things, too, and I am not bringing those nitpicks (and that's what they are, but what can I say, I am a sucker for that type of thing xD) to bash you, but I have noticed similar stuff time and time again in the HWC videos made by you (like talking about "excellent tactile feedback" on mechanical keyboards that feature switches without tactile actuation points) and I really don't like that, because the channel in its entirety is so great. So, please, take a bit more care scripting out your videos, your more meticulous viewers would appreciate it ;D @topic: The results are rather unsurprising, I thought, specifically tuned AiOs will do better than standard Asetek-based solutions as well. I only know of the Liqtech TR4 by Enermax at this point, but that one should be quite strong. Anyhow, I would go with the U14S TR4 at this point in time. Noctua just knows, how it is done.
are there any liquid aio coolers with a large rectangle pump that can completely cover the TR surface area? if there are, maybe liquid aio coolers would do a better job since the x62 couldnt cover the entire surface of TR.
So my concern with this is that these air coolers had special designed cooper plates to cover the whole of the IHS. And the aio didn't. So wouldn't that have impacted the test results for the aio? I'm i right or wrong someone let me know cause I'm Pretty sure I'm right the aio had less heat transfer
It's kinda unfortunate how Noctua couldn't make a special NH-D15 for TR4 socket (maybe not just yet, who knows but them?). It's not only the coldplate that's the issue with the NH-D15 but also the heatpipe clearance with the memory slots. The NH-U14S is still good tho.
I feel the liquid coolers just didn't have the coverage needed. As with the gamers nexus coverage, even if the entire copper plate is used, it does not cover 100% of the surface area of the dies, there is a still a good 30% or so of the die that is left uncovered due to their design of 4 dies on the package.
The problem with this is you went with a luxury air cooler Vs a high performance cooler, the one that need to go head to head is the EKWB. This is sort of like testing a Bugatti VS a Nissan GTR vs a GTR Nismo. side note, I love both cooler but my case is a Corsair 350D, there is no way in hell I can get the Noctua in there without losing some options, I can get the kraken x62 in there and all I lose is a DVD/CD burner and lets be real, no one uses a CD/DVD anymore.
The Noctua coolers are beast, I recently compared 3 of them and I'll be sticking with the U14S :) not only better performance but they also seem quieter than the AIO's.
Which PCIe slot you are using for the GPU with Noctua U14?
Happy I got mine for the TR4 beasts :D
@@Ramasamykasi I have a U14S in my home server. On the X399 Taichi which has the upper slot as far up as possible, it slightly pushed against the GPU backplane. I used the 3mm offset and now it does not interfere. It's hard to reach the PCIe slot lock but other than that it doesn't make life too hard.
Maybe we need to replace fan of aio system by Noctua's fan ?
All about that surface area, the current water cooler blocks don't cover nearly enough of the cpu lid to draw away heat effectively.
HardwareCanucks did an AiO vs air cooler video like a year ago using LGA 1151: air coolers produced better temps and were quieter.
@@geoli6407 Except gamer nexus is heavily biased towards water cooling. From my own personal tests, air beats water most of the time. There are exceptions but not great enough to warrant the hassle and risk of an AIO gamble. IMO for me to justify switching from Noctua to the AIO, the AIO has to definitively, unequivocally beat air, not just kinda beat air...sometimes. If AIO products get to the point where they can keep my temps below 30 even under load, then ill switch, otherwise there simply isn't enough of a reason to switch.
Agreed. this is not a fair comparison at all!
Noctua coolers are OP. Pls nerf
Their coloring pattern ugly af so it's sort of balanced.
No just buff everithing else
That would be powercreep it's bad in longterm gameplay.
nerf dis
and they announced new fans that they had running 1 fan at the same temp as two of the current ones.
The asetek round block is not sufficient for Threadripper.
Kriss Rog agreed completely different results than my little 4790k. Water won for me significantly, which tells me it's the IHS size only.
He should try the ekwb tr block wit a 240/280 rad and compare those to the aio
Asetek is the dominate manufacturer for AiOs. They've had more than enough time to make changes but they haven't. This is a comparison between options available on the market and bit air coolers when.
Also, Hardware Canucks did this test on LGA 1151 like a year ago and air coolers still won in terms of temps and noise.
the chemtrail kid
Don't forget that air coolers almost always win in price but not necessarily in looks.
The Noctua brown fans could always be switched for other ones for a better look too. Fan coolers have way too many pro's not to use them. Too many horror stories of AIO coolers dying or water leaking out and killing something in the case.
been using a noctua NHU-12s for years.. love it!.. quiet and cool
You're testing the coolers I'm looking at. 1 Air, 1 liquid. Perfect!
Why can't anyone do it review of the enermax AIO for threadripper? It's the only one that out there designed for it.
Dave Mac I guess Enermax did not send enough units to big youtubers. Only to select small one.. Wonder why..
bias
Some companies prefer to do the ineffective direct advertising rather than sending out review units and letting people see an objective review of the performance of the product.
Yeah, the various TH-camrs are basically becoming really repetitive. It's all Corsair, Tt, Fractal, NZXT. Even Phanteks and others have dropped off the radar. And if you're a little guy trying to get in the game, forget about it.
It works wonders! I have the Noctua 120mm TR4 cooler and it was idling (and general use) 10-15c higher than the Enermax which idles between 19-30c @ 4Ghz.
Is this stress including FPU , cache and system memory ? Or just CPU
Pet peeve of mine: adding "finally" to the intro of every video.
I've been using a Noctua cooler for 9 years. No worry of leaks. Never replaced a fan. If I do need to replace a fan, they are readily available.
Same results with my 1950X and the NH-U14s with Push-Pull Configuration - Temps around 55°C during full load - even after many days rendering. After seeing this i might over clock this beast to 4Ghz as well.
It was due to this review that I went with the U14S and I can't wait to torture test it before I get into any serious work. You made a great and valid point about not wanting to deal with any static when it comes to continuous productivity workloads and not having to worry about the system not cooling enough or pumps crapping out over time (can't have an oh sh*t moment when you have a big project on the table) Great job again guys, great presentation and video work. Keep at it!
How to set a scenario in which my sponsor wins? Tips to why this is sponsored:
1. Not the same brand in an Air vs Liquid comparison
2. Not liquid solution designed for TR but yes for the Air one
3. Noctua does not offer AIO liquied cooled solutions ^^
Says "without further ado", then proceeds to show the sponsored message :D
About time somebody built central heating for the home that's heated by the CPU.
but i can still use it to warm up my room right?
Try i9's for that
most of the time Air coolers look ugly.. and are way to big.. just my opinion. and for the AIO's i really think they look good but, their are shit, i had like 3 AIO's in 1 year i switched to a complete costum loop and i dont regret it :)
The cooler has absolutely nothing to do with the heat dissipated to the room. The heat is always the same, no matter which cooler you use.
the heat just travels faster. same goes for delidded ones
I don't know if you are right on that. I have a 1700 and 1080ti and the stock cooler made my room feel at least 10-15F warmer after a 5-8 hour gaming session vs my Deepcool Captain 240EX over roughly a longer gaming session. Of course, toward the end of the gaming session with the AIO the room started to heat up but I was done by that time. This doesn't mean that it dissipates less heat but instead dissipates it a lot slower into the room making it a lot more comfortable to be around.
try enermax AIO that exclusively build for TR
Enermax Liqtech 240
No 360 ftw.
Makes this video completely pointless using these AIOs. Guys are fuckin clueless.
Enermax has corrosion on their CPU block, maybe that is y not a lot of testing on TR.
So Noctua NU-U12S is the best one for the air cooled performance
So the U12S cools way better, no problems with clearance, sounded like the quietest cooler, and less than half of the price of the AIO. Thumbs up Noctua as usual
I made my first Noctua purchase with an NF-U14S for my TR 1900X home server. And boy, did I not expect the results. Idle I see a maximum of 40°C - that's 5°C cooler than the mainboard temperature Unraid reports - at
Thanks Eber for a refined review of these coolers. Seems that a cooler doesn't have to look good to perform good. Noctua coolers seem to be really doing well. I was genuinely surprised.
Awesome test! Well prepared, informative and a good conclusion! The charts are informative - you show the threadripper model and the clock frequency, which is not always given (I just came from other channels). Thanks a lot!
Noctua everywhere, coming up strong for 2018. My NH-D14 keeps the i7 6700K, all cores @4.5GHz at 58C and is quiet.
Manufacturers are just going to have to commit to making Threadripper sized AIO blocks! Interesting vid! :o)
Noctua rocks. I have the NH-U14S in my system and it's been a champ ever since I installed it.
It's quite amazing a single tower air cooling performs that well.
One would expect an NDH15 equivalent for threadripper to be an absolute beast. Low RPM fans, low noise, less dirt and all that nice stuff.
I recently bought Threadripper 1950 for rendering. I’m planning to use all its 16 cores of power, but I’m not sure if the Noctua U12S cooler can handle this much heat. Not gonna overclock, just regular user.
its been a year any update?
He got so much more fit omg
This man is ridiculously photogenic.
The results blew my mind damn now we have a new quote don't judge a cpu cooler by its price 😂😂😂
Air cooling still rules!
Thank you. Great reviews.
unbelievable performance from noctua
This channel is hugely underrated .
Love you guys
I'm hoping that Noctua is working on a TR4 version of the D15s. Still, these two have performed better than I expected.
All of the AIOs that you showcased were meant for smaller single die CPUs and they had a fin-stack made for... you guessed it, smaller single die CPUs. Even though the cold plate of the block may have been big enough the whole chip, the fin stack was not. At best the fin-stack of the cold-plates on these coolers would have covered half of each die on TR; which simply doesn't cut it. That full cover cold-plate make a world of difference, as you can see with the Nactua cooler. If you want to do a real comparison compare the same Nactua coolers to an open loop using EK's TR block or if you can find one a AIO with a block made for TR - I think Enermax is making one.
P.S. Not saying this is a bad video. The teams just weren't evenly matched to start - don't send a cement truck to haul a 18 wheeler load.
They can be mounted on TR4, so we are able to buy them and use them. This is video is a warning not to do that.
Custom watercooling?????
Why doesn’t the ThermalTake Chair feature stolen design features and RGB? Disappointed.
Edit: It's a joke god dammit xD
You do realize the tech industry is basically 90% copy and paste and 10% innovation.
You Will Never Know I mean have you seen Thermaltake? Some of their products are almost like a 1:1 copy.
Glad I bought NH-U14S instead of AIOs!
Solid and safe choice you can't go wrong. Any AIO in comparison is a gamble
I went with Air Cooled and no issues so far but I still need to put it under load. I dodged the Eneger TR4 AIO returned it as soon as I did my research. ... if you are looking consider just getting the Noctua.
I got NH-U14S for my 1950x. Got tired of water cooling maintenance. Noctua is king. All packed in thermaltake wp100 for good airflow. If you got a place to put this monster of a case, get it. You'll not regret it.
To say that air coolers are better than liquid for threadripper I feel is a vast generalization. Probably should’ve used an aio meant for a threadripper socket like those from enermax. Either way love the videos thanks for the content.
Try the Enermax TR4 watercooler see how it does with a larger base.
what about the Enermax AIOs that have waterblocks that cover the entire TR heat spreader?
These are not the droids you are looking for.
Not surprised at all I knew Noctua coolers are the best out their against aio cooling thats why I went with the 12s cooler for my ryzen 1600 chip. :)
Very nice! Hopefully we'll see more coolers for ryzen. Would like to build my new system around it, but the temperatures worry me a bit
you made the same mistake as linus
if you want to compare the two cooling methods then you need the liquid coolers to have the same die coverage as the air coolers
Why is no one testing that Enermax AIO with the bigger cold plate?
but these are the cooler that you can find NOW on the market.
EKWB has a TR block that covers the entire die. Argue it being for a customer loop if you want too but the proof is in the pudding.
the Enermax is out already in 240 rad and 360
That's only a bottleneck-effect. It's unlikely that the heatflow is restricted because of the contact surface. You can simply test it by just applying paste in the center and not covering the whole thing. I saw a review doing exactly that and the temperature difference was marginal.
The NZXT CPU blocks don't seem to cover the IHS as much as the Noctua air coolers. I think a water cooling loop with a custom CPU block would do a better job.
U didn't test 2 side push pull on both AIO and air coolers
Where is the NH 15
U should test the Enermax aio with proper tr4 mounts... Brand new... Not nzxt recicled mounts.. Try that... Great work btw
Switching to air over liquid. Recent pump failure shifted my opinion (I dont OC). I can see if a fan is working or not I cant see a pump or get an alarm from the mobo if a pump fails like a fan.
How to assemble the fan in case what should be the air flow it should be out of case or some are in and out or only in ???
I love when he nods while saying with hardware canucks :D
Holly shit ! was looking for that..I have a build in my NEWEGG wish list...let's see if I can achieve 4 ghz with air cooling!
where can i find the tr4 adapter, i lost mine
wtf 90C output?? my 1950x is paired with a corsare h115i 280mm and after long render sessions it goes up to 70C thats it ..
waldquellz it’s the cold plate.
and my spelling haha
Eber try the Enermax Liqtech 360mm CLC which was designed for TR and thus far has very positive reviews.
this is an apples to oranges comparison... you're using an AIO which the heat sink was never designed to cover such a huge surface area vs the heat sink on the air cooler which was specifically made for it.. all this proves to me is that the tool that was made for the job works better than something that was designed for something else and adapted to kinda work. it was an absolutely stupid move on AMD's part to even suggest using an adaptor plate because i would say the mounting points being wrong is a pretty minor problem as opposed to only covering about 3/4's of the cpu lol
awesome video bro
No Noctua NHD 15? That thing is way bigger than the one tested.
dont think they have a TR4 version
It's not available with a cold plate designed for TR4 yet. The NH-U14S TR4-SP3 is currently the best cooler Noctua sells that supports TR4.
there is no d15 with threaripper coldplate
Despite the NH-d15 being almost twice as big as Nh-U14S, it only performs a couple of degrees better, at best. NH-U14S kicks ass, (owns one).
rajesh koothrappali I read somewhere that noctua internal tests showed no big benefit with the d15. And you can possibly imagine that if Eber had clearance issues with the 14 what would can expect from such a behemoth
I know this is a video about cooling a threadripper but I'm using this to see if the NZXT Kraken x62 can cool the i9 10900k at stock...
The multi dot thermal paste technique, I've been using that for years 😂
How exactly do you clean the thermal paste out of the little screws on an AIO, I build computers but, recently a costumer of mine had a small capacitor on his motherboard burn up, I didn't know this and couldn't diagnose it so I took the computer to another shop and they figured it out. They tested the CPU and put WAY too much thermal paste on the cooler. Any help would be much advised.
Would two fans fitted to the big noctua make a difference?
Its not that Aircooling is better, especially than overclocking - its more the fact that ALL AIOs do NOT even Cover the DIEs fully while the Noctuas contacts are build for TR4.
So in the End the AIOs WOULD be way better especially handling OC and higher TPDs but since the Noctuas can work (as of now) way more efficient.. its basically a better way going for the small Noctua NOW and waiting for better AIOs designed for the large TR4 Surface. :)
The Enermax AIO's (specifically the ones designed specifically for the TR4 platform) would've been a more fair comparison in this vid.
yes! there are already a few TR4 ones out that would be even more interesting - but I dont blame him since these are the coolers most people would choose. :)
I wonder why nobody reviews Enermax products. Do they not ship to America?
The Enermax TR4 AiO's are basically impossible to get at the moment. I assume that's why.
I meant in general. You don´t hear of their power supplies, neither do you hear of their coolers and it´s not like they´re bad by any means.
I have the 92mm noctua on my 1950x, when on desktop my cpu temps change between 30’C to 60’C max all the time, like every 2mins and then my noctua cpu cooler gets loud. Is everything okay with my system?
Why didn't you use a full block aio like enermax's aio
I'm surprised you didn't run the Enermax Liqtech 240 or 360. that's what i'm planning on getting.
So what is the point in liquid cooling if a good air coller is vetter and cheaper??
Can you use all 8 ram slots with the noctua coolers? There's 41mm clearance under the sink but the fan is sticking out even lower that this..
I'm guessing the surface area of the liquid coolers copper is a huge factor
Arctic Cooling has their own Freezer 33 TR editions. We are waiting on more tower coolers.
I'm using U14S with Ryzen 5 1600 4ghz @1.35v/1.37v.. Under P95 and Cinebench I get 70/74C during the winter. This Noctua U14s version its not so different but I can't understand how can max only 60C on this old overclocked threadripper. Tried different thermal past, reseat, max fan with same higher result. TDP is also way different on TR compared to 65W of my R5 1600, how possible this results?
What were the GPU temps during those tests? The AIO setups should have had lower GPU temps. The question is how much less than the Air cooler setups.
so i have a 8350fx with a bequiet dark pro 4 , im pleased with this set up ... except of course now its time for a cpu upgrade... im going with slightly dated technology with the 1950x threadripper.. i notice the noctua nh-u14s says nothing under specifications for str4 ..... however its being used with a threadripper... so my question is will my or can my BQDP4 be used or modified to be used with my incoming threadripper?
Arctic TR-33 here on my 2950x. Idling at 35C and 59-61C under load (render workstation.. after several hours) manually overclocked to 3.65ghz.
Any chance of a Air CPU cooler showdown for threadripper, something like Noctua U14S, Thermalright True Spirit Power, Scythe Mugen5, Bequiet DarkPro, Cryo R7, Coolermaster 212 (or whicever can run on threadripper), just a rundown to see if aircooling is viable on other brands besides noctua, specially since only noctua developed a very different bottom, the rest are just mounting adaptations.
Another great review! Can you guys review the Cooler Master ML360 RGB TR4 Edition? It's the only other AiO liquid cooler on the market I've seen specifically made for Threadripper other than what Enermax has.
What about the Enermax TR4 for threadripper?
Your X62 is making a weird noise... Pump problem?
I'm wondering what this tr4 cooker can do with a normal CPU !!!???!!!?
Now do the same comparison with a custom water loop!
Try the same test in Thailand or Dubai with 35' to 40' ambient temp, and aio will win by big margin..
Current aio cooler blocks r not big enough to cover the ripper plate
Get a AIO specialy built for Threadripper - LiqTech TR4 360. Swap fans for rome RGB ones are you are set
Is a 92mm noctua cooling a 1950x enough? Or do I need somthing else?
Hi Dmitry, Eber! When is hardwarecanucks coming out with the hyperx cloud alpha video?!?!
I like the white case. What is that?
so the x62 is losing to even a small u12.... i feel like the bracket making a difference may be a thing.
A lot of cpu's are not designed to run hot enough under safe conditions if they were say 100"c any fan blowing on a heatsink/RAD would be more effective due to the bigger difference in temperature meaning more performance in terms of cooling. Think of how quick your tempatures drop in your car or bike when the fan kicks in its basically the same effect
I dunno but it seems like some of the temp difference could be to do with CPU coverage more than it has to do with the cooler, afaik the temp difference on smaller CPUs is much smaller which would indicate similar cooling performance in the right scenario's
Two inaccuracies I noticed:
Firstly, NH-U12S is not Noctuas smallest / most inexpensive cooling solution for Threadripper, because that would be NH-U9 TR4 (although I don't see the value of such a small cooler on an enthusiast platform anyway and this is just me nitpicking, but still).
Secondly, you keep talking about TRs massive die size, while actually meaning the heatspreader. The dies below it are not particularly large (not even a bit larger than their AM4 siblings, in fact), there just happen to be several of them in a multi-die configuration.
I think you know those things, too, and I am not bringing those nitpicks (and that's what they are, but what can I say, I am a sucker for that type of thing xD) to bash you, but I have noticed similar stuff time and time again in the HWC videos made by you (like talking about "excellent tactile feedback" on mechanical keyboards that feature switches without tactile actuation points) and I really don't like that, because the channel in its entirety is so great.
So, please, take a bit more care scripting out your videos, your more meticulous viewers would appreciate it ;D
@topic: The results are rather unsurprising, I thought, specifically tuned AiOs will do better than standard Asetek-based solutions as well. I only know of the Liqtech TR4 by Enermax at this point, but that one should be quite strong. Anyhow, I would go with the U14S TR4 at this point in time. Noctua just knows, how it is done.
===>NH-U9 TR4 (although I don't see the value of such a small cooler on an enthusiast platform anyway and this is just me nitpicking, but still).
are there any liquid aio coolers with a large rectangle pump that can completely cover the TR surface area? if there are, maybe liquid aio coolers would do a better job since the x62 couldnt cover the entire surface of TR.
So my concern with this is that these air coolers had special designed cooper plates to cover the whole of the IHS. And the aio didn't. So wouldn't that have impacted the test results for the aio? I'm i right or wrong someone let me know cause I'm Pretty sure I'm right the aio had less heat transfer
Which case you have bro? That's the only piece that I have to buy. Before build my 1920x cpu
I wonder how custom watercooling would do?
It's kinda unfortunate how Noctua couldn't make a special NH-D15 for TR4 socket (maybe not just yet, who knows but them?). It's not only the coldplate that's the issue with the NH-D15 but also the heatpipe clearance with the memory slots. The NH-U14S is still good tho.
I feel the liquid coolers just didn't have the coverage needed.
As with the gamers nexus coverage, even if the entire copper plate is used, it does not cover 100% of the surface area of the dies, there is a still a good 30% or so of the die that is left uncovered due to their design of 4 dies on the package.
The problem with this is you went with a luxury air cooler Vs a high performance cooler, the one that need to go head to head is the EKWB. This is sort of like testing a Bugatti VS a Nissan GTR vs a GTR Nismo.
side note, I love both cooler but my case is a Corsair 350D, there is no way in hell I can get the Noctua in there without losing some options, I can get the kraken x62 in there and all I lose is a DVD/CD burner and lets be real, no one uses a CD/DVD anymore.