CRASH! Bud Nosen Vintage Aeronca Champ. Murphy's Law!
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- I am sick that this happened over such a weak link in the design! See it unfold and the reason of the crash of this beautiful Aeronca Champ that was a gift. Glenn took it better than I did. Murphy's law strikes again. It has since been immortalized on my garage wall with the pieces I could salvage. Thanks for watching and I would appreciate it if you would subscribe.
Thanks kindly,
Dave Herbert
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I know this is 7 years old but I just received one from one our older club members who quit flying many moons ago. However lesson learned from this video, I will checking for this issue on the plane!
That is great. Make sure to check and since there is no carbon spar, you really need the wing struts to hold in a loop or and high g stuff. Thanks and happy flying.
@@NightFlyyer thank you! Spending some time cleaning it up and checking the wing struts….
this touches my heart deep. i am getting ready to start recovering an old bud nosen aeronca champ. it was given to me many years ago from my old friend. and when you passed away in 09 he left his bud nosen mr mulligan to me. which also needs to be recovered too. sorry for the loss.
Awww darn it. Sorry to see it Mr. Dave. Not the first and not the last time Murphy comes to visit. Looking forward to your Big build.
Thanks very much. I thought I was done with building big planes, but I have at least an engine to put in it, soon as I order a new muffler. Thanks again.
What a BEAUTIFUL plane. That put a knot in my stomach, I can just imagine what you guys felt like. Great idea putting it on the wall.
Thanks kindly. It is a good reminder up there and glad you like it on the wall too.
So sorry Mr Herbert! Part of flying but hard to swallow!
Yep. Thanks.
I guess it could not handle the fun! darn... so sad to see that beauty crashed because of a cheap metal....
Thanks for sharing!
Ed
Thanks Ed. I appreciate that.
I would love to see you at FF2017 Ohio! lol I know you might not do the trip! but you would love the event!
Cheers!
That would have been nice, but your right, its a long drive.
It may not be much of a comfort but it flew smoothly and you have a video...
Thanks. I appreciate that!
Ohhhhh......That gut dropping feeling :(
Yes. I still feel it! Thanks.
Thats a heart breaker! Sorry you guys lost that one. :(
Thanks very kindly Sir. We appreciate that!
Too bad Dave, but you flew this beauty very well and got to enjoy it. On to a new and better beefed up Cub.
Definitely beefed up! Thanks.
Damn. that was devastating Dave :| Sorry for your loss! Happens to the best of us..
Thanks much. Id rather crash because of my error than something like this tho. Thanks again.
I hear you sir.. Same here..
What I alllways tell my self: if I can't afford to crash it, I shouldn't be flying it..
happens to the best of us, thanks for sharing mr. herbert
Thank you.
This is so sad to see. I'm just about to finish my bud nosen aeronca champ. I learned a lot of this crash. Thank You for the info. My wing struts are made of aluminum and will be mounted using think aluminum.
The learning curve: next time, you won't let Murphy fly..!
Yep. I know Murphy very well and now that you sent all that info on Murphy, even more!. Thanks Bud.
NightFlyer Dave you were really Flying it pretty Good until the Wing Failure that's a Bummer ! Thanks for the Nice Video !
Thanks. So true!
Dang it, I really liked that one. I feel bad for you guys. But we have the videos so it will live on.
True. Thanks kindly.
Bummer to see that Dave. I've folded a few wings too and it's no fun.... except in combat.
Hi Jason. Well for sure this one, we wont be flying when you come.Thanks.
No worries Dave. I'm sure we'll have fun whatever mischief we get into. ;-)
Thanks for sharing Dave, sorry to see the crash, I know how it feels, I'm still crashing as well, and had a hard landing with one of my planes the other week, and have some repairs to do. Nice to see your still building and flying :) God Bless.
Thank you Jason. Its all part of the learning curve. Be well and happy flying!
That was agonizing to watch Dave, there really was nothing that you could have done to try to save it either. What a loss.
Thank you sir. I appreciate that.
There's no sound quite like the sound of a thud upon impact when hitting the ground. It sounds so final...
Such a nice airplane my friend. Thank God for pictures and videos to watch again and again seeing it fly in splendor. Looking forward to seeing the cub fly Dave.
Best regards!
Very True. Thanks much for the kind comments!
Ouch ! Looks like the tail section seats are still the safest.
You got that right! Thanks.
Sir , I am sorry to see this .. always a lesson in flight when watching your fantastic videos .. I hope you , your wife and of coarse your your daughter are all well . Barry .
I know the feeling.....so sad, so sorry....thats life man.
4:50 sorry for the lost of a beautiful plane. anyway that hole on the wing strut was located too close to the edge so there wasn't enough material there to provide sufficient structural integrity. whether you fly aerobatic or not. the aerodynamic force will elongate that hole on the wing strut. its only a matter of time when it will fail. in this hobby there are good days and bad days which makes it exciting. thanks for sharing the video 😀
That hole was pre drilled and already in the strut when Glenn had it, so I never paid much attention to it. Definitely a poor design. Bud Nosen Planes were known for being good stuff, but this part was surprising, now that I look at it. I will for sure beef up my new J-3 cub, as this is part of the learning curve.
What a shame to lose such a nice plane!!!
Thanks Dick!
Such a shame! It wasn't your fault.Thanks for posting this video, though!
Thanks so kindly!
Manufacture foult Dave,I think we have to call Boing and warn them we got enough toothpicks for now :-)
had it happen with the Nosen Trainer and AeroSpan Cub. The next Cub had AL tube spars and struts plus bigger LG wire. It could turn in its own span with those mods. I have Mulligan to apply same treatment as well as Decathalon.
Wow. Well Misery loves company. Like I always say, Crashing is part of the learning curve! Thanks kindly for your experience too.
I felt sick just watching this video. If its any consolation I will soon be building a 1/5 Sig J3 kit and this has made me put a careful eye on the major supporting structures as I build.
Yes. I nor Glenn built this plane, so didnt realize that those holes in that thin strut would rip out with a simple maneuver. I put that engine in a big J-3 cub (see my video) and you can believe it for sure, I checked those struts. Luckily it also has a big carbon fiber spar to keep it on too. Thanks kindly.
Thanks. Neither I or Glenn built the Aeronca so didn't realize how thin the aluminum struts were. I have put that engine in my own J-3 cub to keep it alive and believe me, when I built it, I paid particular attention to the struts too. LOL. It also has a carbon fiber tube to keep the wings from folding and is a much better design. Good luck with your Cub. If you want to see my build and flight, here is the link. th-cam.com/video/xOJadUawwlk/w-d-xo.html Happy flying, Steve.
@@NightFlyyer Thanks for the feedback. It's experts like you guys that keep the hobby alive! I've built only a couple planes myself but have not flown any of them. That is changing this weekend when I get my first flight lesson from our local club. We're using one of the club's foam planes and a buddy box.
The J3 that is coming has phenolic tubes for the wing joiners. Not as strong as carbon fiber but I am sure will be better than no rigid joiner.
@@stevejones9044 Once you fly, you will really be hooked. Good luck with it and welcome to the RC world. Safe, easy, and happy flying.
I am sick that this happened over such a weak link in the design! See it unfold and the reason of the crash of this beautiful Aeronca Champ that was a gift. Glenn took it better than I did. Murphy's law strikes again. It has since been immortalized on my garage wall with the pieces I could salvage. Thanks for watching and I would appreciate it if you would subscribe.
It is ok to fold your wings on a carrier...but... not in mid air! WOW WHAT A SAD MOMENT, when that wing gave way. I had a wing strut on a M.E.N. PIPER CUB come completely off during a low flyby, but the wing spar center carried the wing load to a safe landing! OK N.F.,keep em flying!
Thanks much, Perry. This bird had no big center spars like we have today, and for sure it was a sad day.
Ok, I was thrilled to see the first video of this bird, now I wanna cry, makes me scared to fly mine...
Thanks. Just reinforce the struts as the plane is prett strong for the most part! Thanks.
NightFlyyer, I read you loud and clear my friend.
Awe man, that's just not fair!!!! Maybe do a frankinplane with the parts?? And I just caught the end of the video...Question answered! lol
Thank much Don. Yep, it is now flying in the garage with the FankinPlane parts. :-)
NightFlyyer I promise Dave no more leaving comments until the END of the video! LOL
This one and many other bud nosen aeroncas and citabrias have died the same way. The nosen champ and citabria are the early days of giant scale and were great flying planes, but suffered from some slight bad design which can easily be fixed while building the plane, but with one already built it’s easily over looked.
Oh man, that's a shame, So Sorry...
Thanks William.
Oh my, I hate to see that.. makes me wanna cry, that was a beautiful plane. But as most people say they all have a expiration date on them.
True. Nothing is 100%. Thanks.
Always a shame when you lose a vintage craft, I've also had the wings pancake after a strut failure on an old Sig. But there are always more cubs to be restored and flown!
Thanks much. Right, well at age 70, not sure about how many more for me, but I will definitely pay more attention to something like this next time!
Now I'm heading to tne basement to check tne strutts on my BN 1/4 Champ!
That is a very good idea!
The real Aeronca Champs did loops all the time in airshows and such. This loop did not seem to be an extreme maneuver. It was a weak design of the strut made from weak aluminum. I bet you have alot to say about 3D helicopters too.
Always sad to see a crash!!
True. Thanks.
Was that hardware in the kit or was it builder supplied? I doubt that even pre-flight inspection would have helped with such a defect. It's a real shame to see that happen to such a historically important plane, but planes are meant to fly. They really are useless unless we do fly them. Thanks for the video and I hope it saves some other Nosen Champs.
I dont think this was caused by a design weakness. This was caused by stressing the models airframe beyond what it was designed for.
what about a rc gyro chopter , what would be your thoughts on one ?
Would it be safe to say it might not be wize to push an older plane too hard as to flying stunts like that? As the fact it really wasnt designed to handle such stresses shows easily by the facy the wing brace pulled the bolt through. I have an older Graupner 300 Extra balsa that crashed three feet up from take off and I noticed many of the the glue joints failed simply because the glue had become brittle and cracked. I have since rwbuilt the plane and other than reskinning the engine bay,its ready to fly again. I replaced both sides of the body but as stated,all interior box frame parts had simply pulled apart at the seams. I actually scraped the brittle glue off the wood and used CA to reglue the airframe. I know that we never like to see a beautiful looking plane do that but it happends. No one was hurt and really,thats the impirtant thing. I have a Sig Kadet I am in the process of restoring also. I plan on regluing all the seams acessable. It is covered in Sig fabric,not monocoat. Thankfully they still sell it! I bought aenough for repairs and plan on buying more to actually build my own plane using that product. Reguardless of what happened or why Dave,I respect you and whatever happened,happened under the hands of a very skilled pilot. You can crash on of my planes any time. I still would like to stop by someday and visit on my way to see my Daughter in Desmoines. I would love to meet legend that is the Night Flyyer.
That is safe to say, but I was only doing simple things, nothing like full power on snaps or giving it full up out of a power dive, so who knows. You can stop by for sure and thanks you very much for your comments. Happy flying to you.
Gut wrenching.
Too bad there wasn't an emergency parachute button on your remote...
Damn Dave sorry about your bird
Thanks Jon. I hate crashing that way for sure.
Lets say it went out with a bang, lol!
The reason it came apart was because it's a old plane built a long time ago . You just. Can't push stuff stuff that hard . Your an excellent pilot and I enjoy your videos . Pilot error.
The srut failed and a power off spin was no stress. Not pilot error
Oouch! That had to really hurt in losing such a beautiful plane. Any thoughts of resurrecting it?
No. The Fuselage is totaled, although the wings are okay. It is memorialized in my garage now and actually looks good there. Thanks much.
How depressing to see a vintage Bud Nosen model destroyed...especially over something so minor.
(Are ya sure ya don't want to build the Bud Nosen, Gloster Gladiator bi-plane I offered you, Dave? It has got to be a rare, vintage model deserving the love and attention of a master modeler, such as yourself)
I've been meaning to ask you, did you ever fly or see the helicopter named, The Revolution, .40 sized? I received one as a gift for Christmas, 1978, but could never get the HB motor to run right. (Radio and receiver was the Kraft KP4A) I finally sold the whole thing (after building) to help pay for tuition at Rice Aviation A&P school (aircraft mechanics) in Houston, Texas. Graduated, and went to work for Continental Airlines in Los Angeles (KLAX)
That is a lot of building for me these days with not the room I had before my house and garage burned down, but I will keep it in mind. Yes, I for sure flew a Revolution! John Simone Jr. was my helicopter teacher and actually won the nationals with a Revolution II in 1977. American RC Helicopters went on to produce a line of 40 and 60 size helicopters. Thanks again for your kind words and offer!
What happened to American Helicopters? I can't find any reference of them anywhere.
A real plane crashed into their building and everything burned to the ground so they had to quit. I flew with John Simone last year. He now customizes corvettes and old VW cars.
Same thing happened to my 90 size 3D plane before....its the weak design on the wing.
Bummer for you to Alex. Im looking more closely at my J3 and think I will try to figure out a stronger approach too!. Thanks.
Sorry it crashed, I like carbon wing tubes.
Me too, but this old Bud Nosen Aeronca Champ had none and the weak aluminum strut was also not much better. Thanks much.
What a shame we put so much love into our planes it hurt when we crash.sorry
The champ was never designed for the way you where putting it through. Not bad design , bad piloting .
the dreaded clap of hands
what a sad day
Dang, for sure. Thanks.
You put to much stress on that old airframe. Time makes the metal brittle.
:( When You flying those things happen.
I built a Bud Nosen champ, if you could make a 40 ton brick fly it would have been comparable. No disrespect intended but you performing aerobatics that a touch and go airplane was not designed for.
Aww man. I could hear "Taps" playing. That was really hard to watch. Sorry man.
Thanks you Jason. For sure. Thank you!
that was not cool......
Thanks. Btw I want to send you a bottle of brilliant glaze. It's as good as goop! Pm me with address.
Weeel you got a plane full of toothpicks,and thats why always those dudes check an aircraft for structual damage ;-) before..take off :-)
I put the wings on befor I flew it and can tell you for sure the hole was not ripped out and no way would I had believed it would have as this is the stock design.
Strut failure yes I agree, pilot failure for flyiiing a vintage plane to hard , those glues epoxy hardware are all old , would you take an original 1960 unrestored Ferrari and drive it hard no of course not . Keep up videos. Not trying to be rude but expressing my opinion
Do you really want to do stunts with that type of plane? It was to much stress on the wing...
A no power spin is not very stressful like a full power on snap roll. I was flying gently and this planes weak link was the thin aluminum strut with a hole too near to the end. Thanks for the admonishment!
NightFlyyer Sorry, but I have done the same thing many tears ago myself. ..
No wing tube or spar joiner??!! that's horrible design
That's right. They depended on the Wing struts, which is what failed.
@@NightFlyyer it's almost common sense that a single point attached strut cannot bear the loads and forces of a flying wing - let alone when attached with single tin sheet brackets!! I am shocked at this for such a prolific and brilliant designer as Bud Nosen. Sorry for your loss
@@flymachine Yes, I Know. Your preaching to the Choir. It is mounted now as a memorial in my garage and Bud Nosen is no longer around to complain too.
I was wincing as I was watching you throwing it around, treating it like an unlimited aerobatic model, lots of negative then positive G, no mechanical sympathy at all, the spin was the final straw, all the stuff before that was adding up to cause the final failure.
This model didn’t crash because of poor design, this model crashed because of poor piloting. It was a scale model, it should have been flown like the full size is flown, not snapped and flicked around the sky and subjected to aggressive aerobatics.