Yes, it's just the wrong perspective compared to what we're doing. Your tiling window manager workflow is very different from kwin users' workflow. You can just replace kwin with i3 if you want that. Kwin is great already but we found some tiling features that are useful to add, so that's what we're doing. No, it's not fully thought-out yet. Everyone has various ideas to throw at the wall and see what sticks. Expect to see a lot of experimentation over the next while. No doubt some keyboard shortcuts are soon on the way for example, especially now that you've mentioned it. Features will appear and disappear and change as we figure out what works well. Eventually you'll probably be able to use kwin just like a dedicated tiling manager if you like, but that's a low priority for now. You can add that if you want to, it will be welcomed, but I'd suggest waiting until the current development stabilizes.
If I recall correctly, it was Nate Graham that implemented this, one of the lead KDE developers. However, this is *not* supposed to be a tiling window manager, I *believe* that it is supposed to be more like windows "fancy zones".
If that's the case, they're short on that too. Though they're closer. Adding in a way to set the zones in the title bar like Windows does would get them that far. And they shouldn't call it tiling so dolts like me don't get their hopes up
@@TheLinuxCast There's a new kwin script called Polonium that adds autotiling to KDE in a similar fashion to how Bismuth used to, so that may be worth a look if you're wanting that functionality.
From what I understood, they made changes to the API to make tiling better. This uses the new api and seems to be an example of what can be done. I’m sure planning to expand on it in the future. Well, I’d like to think they will anyway.
I think you are being a bit unfair. I'm actually pretty excited about this from the perspective of a normal user. This tool is not trying to be a hyper power user i3 replacement with 37 different keybindings for the ultra-hackers out there. This is supposed to be a normal user accessible tool for giving basic window management much like fancy zones on windows. I think that if you think of this as a fancy zones like tool rather than a tiling window manager that it both makes a lot more sense and seems a lot more useful. I agree that it still needs a bit of polish like saving different modifications and such, but I think this is actually a really useful tool for people who like fancy zones.
In theory, this is not a replace for a tiling window manager but is expected to help the community to create better and easier tiling scripts. At least I remember that from a Niccolo video. IMO this is very useful on ultrawide monitors.
13:00 Yes, this does make sense to me. As someone that has used KDE for years, and is used to floating windows, this offers a perfect way for me to get the benefits of "zones" while keeping some floating window operations.
Same for me! I use fancy zones on WIndows a lot. Having a replication of it in plasma is the biggest thing since sliced bread for me. This feature rocks!
I actually like it. It is simple, and it works. f one really wants the full functions of a tilling windows manager, then you should install a tilling windows manager.
My understanding is, that the advantage of this feature is not the actual implementation, which is more or less just a demo, but the fact that there is a Tiling API now within Plasma that can be used by scripts to implement Tiling in a sane way. Not the hacky way Bismuth used to do. I don't know if there are any actual scripts yet who take advantage of the Tiling API, but sooner or later there will be and they won't be a buggy mess as Bismuth used to be.
It would be cool if KDE had such functionality for those who like tiling. The more people that use it the better, since that might lead to more developers interested in working on the project. I don't personally use tiling in any real form, but I do have shortcut keys setup to push windows into regions of the desktop they're on, and to fullscreen as well. It's been pretty handy to not have to use the mouse to snap vim to half of the screen and pin it to the top. But I also still use the mouse when I need more complex geometries which is probably equally as often.
This isn't meant to be replacing a tiling window manager, however, this is a good base for tiling Kwin scripts to add functionality that the user needs. On my 21:9 ultrawide monitor, this tiling is great, browser on the left, notes on the right, slightly offset so the browser portion is a bit bigger. The fact that it is mouse focused is perfectly fine as well, set it and forget it. My complaints would be no option for single application "tiling", and no separate layouts per workspace. If you're looking for full fledged TWM functionality you're going to be disappointed, but in that scenario, just run a TWM...
I'm not saying that it should have to replace a tiling window manager, though if you call some thing tiling, it should have some aspect of it. And I get it, this is the first attempt, and it will get better, but this is also an LTS, so this iteration will be around for a long while. In order to be "tiling" at all, there should be some form of automation to it. So a mouse click or a keybinding to enter the tiling mode, so that your "single application" tiling mode kicks into gear. And then any window you open up next opens in the next available spawn region. It's really not that hard to think about how this could be very good, whether you want it to be mouse focused or not, it really doesn't matter. Plasma is all about giving people ton's of options, yet this has very few. Again, if this was beta, that'd be fine, but this was shipped in an LTS. And I don't claim to speak for everyone. If this works for you, great, but that doesn't make my criticisms any less, since I can only do those from my POV.
Nice to know about this new feature. I myself never felt the need for it as Super+ArrowKey tiling was more than enough for me. As long as the previous feature doesn't get removed, I have no qualms with the new one being unpolished (not a fan of gap anyway). For those who want the new tiling experience and want it to be better, giving your input in feature requests and discussions on the KDE forums is a good idea.
IIRC one of the Plasma developers said that they have no time/resources to implement a "real" tiling window manager but that they have to rely on the community to use this as a foundation for KWin scripts at this point instead - like e.g. Bismuth before. And there are already some: e.g. Polonium and Autotile.
I saw a lot of comments talking about this, I was aware that 5.27 added this feature and played around with it for a little bit but I also was fully aware that this feature was basically in the most basic working state it could be as of currently and so I haven't used it much. I know that it is supposed to be getting iterated on to become better over time and I am looking forward to seeing what happens with it.
If I followed the development of the Plasma environment well and if I understood correctly, this option was never intended to be a replacement for wm tiling, but more like an addition and counterpart to the tiling option in Win11. Also, this option should pave the way for developers who would implement something more like tiling wm based on this code. Anyway, I agree that this doesn't make much sense right now.
Yeah, I think you're right. But it's not quite there either, but I think it will go that route. A mouse click to get to the layout editor like Windows has, and it would be closer to that.
This tiling seems nearly identical to the microsoft powertoys tiling that i use on my work laptop. There is no way to move between windows with the keyboard unless those windows are stacked in the same zone. But it seems to share all of the same issues.
@@TheLinuxCast I think this is the way to go. I looked this video and it is promising th-cam.com/video/7ZPG0IdPkHY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=R9g0EYhdsUGH_RLh the KDE team needs to integrate this thing. From my side I don't plan to adopt Polonium because not sure what will happen when Plasma 6 comes out. The current state of it seems to act like some extension, not a standalone Window Manager. If you look the video Bismuth was a separated thing, Polonium is embedded in the Kwin menu . I guess any upgrade of KDE and Polonium will break.
I had the impression [maybe I was wrong] when this was released that it was not so much a wm, but more giving you some of the "Fancy Zones" features you get with Windows Power Toys. It has the same shift/click/drag, but the editor is better for now on Windows, and you can save layouts. Maybe run this in a VM to see what I mean [edit] ah, someone else said the same thing 🙂
I think i was fairly happy distro hopper and i used DEs. But then pop!_os ruined that for me with windows tilling and really good (for me) keyboard shortcuts! :) I want new version of cosmic so bad. I use fedora 38 and i am satisfied. Thought of putting pop shell on it but everyone is keep saying they don't maintain it anymore so i am hesitant.
What's happening with the clock widget in the panel? A few times during the video seconds tick noticeably faster than expected and their pace is not consistent at all. Last time I checked, that's not how time works.
I'm not the one who called it tiling. If they wanted it to be reviewed as something else, they should have *called* it something else. Don't get pissy with me, Bearnaise.
as a user of a manual tiling window manager this looks like a "manual manual tiling window manager", i'm sure there are users with use cases who enjoy this, but i highly doubt it's the majority
omg, that "feature" was delivered yesterday in steamos. really good video. can i disable that tiling feature? cant maximize with pull it on top anymore. kde is really ......
8:27 The expected behaviour you are talking about is *gap* , if gap is not supported then with some extra effort *margin* can be used as well, but *padding* is a really bad choice here.
Suppose there is a container (box of content): 1. padding will reduce content size and keep container size constant 2. margin will shift other containers and keep both content and container same size 3. gap only change empty space in between container (but older codebase may not support it) There is another property called *gap* Which is what should replace padding
The word I used is the correct one. In every tiling station I've ever seen those spaces are called gaps. Even in Material Shell and Pop!Shell those are called gaps. Why they decided padding was less confusing, IDK
I still wonder about this tiling thing. Some things become a thing after they don't exist. If I recollect correctly tiling used to be available in Windows 3.11 and then it disappeared in Windows 95.
Well I'm not sure what they were thinking but I think a few more drinks are needed. Clearly they have no clue! What a mess. I can't beleave you explained this video as good as you did... 🤔 LLAP 🖖
I'd say tamper your expectations. Firstly, KDE ships new features raw so it'll get improved over time. Secondly It's not supposed to make kwin into tiling WM, you can replace kwin with i3 to do that. It's supposed to add more snapping options than the default 4 quadrants, (like windows does now,) possibility for future shortcut support is just a blueberry on top.
Seems like they made some breaking changes, that is why the sections of plugins are separated between plasma 5 and plasma 6. Bismuth is pratically orphaned having his last commit 2 years ago (last time I saw). So I don't think It's going to have an update. There is polonium, a successor but It is a bit buggy for me. Plasma is great in many ways but tilling is not one of them.
Just as easy to just right click in the current terminal window and open additional windows either vertical or horizontal. Also select open new window. Not sure understand the big deal about window tilting.
As someone who suffers from tendinitis I have found that using the keyboard all the time gets painful, so I swap between keyboard and mouse. This for me means Tiling Window Managers really are not that beneficial.
KDE plasma over any tilling window manager just because everything is so cohesive and fits nicely i love consistency. All my apps are Qt base and fits nicely. Tried several window managers and the inconsistencies always get to me. Although i know you can make things look somewhat uniform but it takes a lot of work and know how.
But it's tiling, and not auto-tiling, and I personally prefer to delete the default layout and create large floating tiles instead, which lay ontop of each other with corners to click on, especially for the web-browser that usually takes up all space and you shift between applications and not tiles. It is a bit frustrating that it don't have automagic tiling as an extension, and it's also frustrating that plasma doesn't remember where you tiled a specific application earlier, which means you need to drag it to the spot you last had it open again. I like having static placements of certain applications, and auto-tiling doesn't do that. It's a floating tiling system, and not a auto-tiling system. I sure hope that positions of separate applications will be saved into a script or something later on, so that if you open an application it gets opened in tile 2 on desktop space 4 or something like that. To assign the tiles to specific applications would be awesome! That would make the utilisation of multiple virtual desktops the ultimate experience.
Different strokes for different folks, a lot of people don't even know what keyboard shortcuts are, that's why you do 2 methods of interacting with a feature. I sometimes use mouse functionality for these things when I am holding my son or eating. The no layout saving is pretty bad though, hopefully they add that.
I don't like tiling WMs in general so maybe that's why I like the current implentation for "tiling" in KDE It's user friendly and mouse-centric which is great for me, I hate having to memorize tons of shortcuts I still think it could be improved though, it seems a bit unfinished, windows 11 do this better
people in the Linux community are starting to bum me out. They are only interested in people that have full use of their hands . I cannot use my hands fully one finger barely off of one hand sort of in fact this is not typed by me this is Google help. I know of no dictation software for this operating system and very few ways to use TTS no way of using it in Wayland.And no I'm not talking about a screen reader I'm talking about a way to read just selected text. I can have the text red in in Xorg only. so Tiling window managers don't impress me.
Then don't use them. That's the great thing about Linux, if you don't like something there are alternatives out there that will suit your needs. As for TTS, check out this.itsfoss.com/espeak-text-speech-linux/ Not sure how good it is, but it might help. As for wayland, not sure if it works there or not. Maybe just stick to xorg until Wayland is better. IDK.
Matt this a hot mess. I personally have no use for tiling what so ever. For those who do stay away from this if you like tiling window managers, stay away!. Bloated buggy bull-^^^^ . BBB if you like.
Totally useless fancy windows clone. Like so many things with kde it's not even finished. Some idiot at kde comes up with some stupid idea, in many cases completely unfinished, never looked at again. In case of tiling on kde, allow disabling completely this new crap "tiling" feature and bring back full functionality of bismuth.
Liking the video is a great way to help me out! I really appreciate those who have taken the time!
Yes, it's just the wrong perspective compared to what we're doing. Your tiling window manager workflow is very different from kwin users' workflow. You can just replace kwin with i3 if you want that. Kwin is great already but we found some tiling features that are useful to add, so that's what we're doing. No, it's not fully thought-out yet. Everyone has various ideas to throw at the wall and see what sticks. Expect to see a lot of experimentation over the next while. No doubt some keyboard shortcuts are soon on the way for example, especially now that you've mentioned it. Features will appear and disappear and change as we figure out what works well. Eventually you'll probably be able to use kwin just like a dedicated tiling manager if you like, but that's a low priority for now. You can add that if you want to, it will be welcomed, but I'd suggest waiting until the current development stabilizes.
Let's say I'm using Wayland. Is there a way to replace kwin with Sway or Hyprland?
If I recall correctly, it was Nate Graham that implemented this, one of the lead KDE developers. However, this is *not* supposed to be a tiling window manager, I *believe* that it is supposed to be more like windows "fancy zones".
If that's the case, they're short on that too. Though they're closer. Adding in a way to set the zones in the title bar like Windows does would get them that far. And they shouldn't call it tiling so dolts like me don't get their hopes up
@@TheLinuxCast There's a new kwin script called Polonium that adds autotiling to KDE in a similar fashion to how Bismuth used to, so that may be worth a look if you're wanting that functionality.
@@ninjarunner Oh, that's so good, the Plasma guys have to steal it.
No, this was done by Marco Martin
From what I understood, they made changes to the API to make tiling better. This uses the new api and seems to be an example of what can be done. I’m sure planning to expand on it in the future. Well, I’d like to think they will anyway.
I think you are being a bit unfair. I'm actually pretty excited about this from the perspective of a normal user. This tool is not trying to be a hyper power user i3 replacement with 37 different keybindings for the ultra-hackers out there. This is supposed to be a normal user accessible tool for giving basic window management much like fancy zones on windows. I think that if you think of this as a fancy zones like tool rather than a tiling window manager that it both makes a lot more sense and seems a lot more useful. I agree that it still needs a bit of polish like saving different modifications and such, but I think this is actually a really useful tool for people who like fancy zones.
In theory, this is not a replace for a tiling window manager but is expected to help the community to create better and easier tiling scripts. At least I remember that from a Niccolo video. IMO this is very useful on ultrawide monitors.
Yes, it is initial implemetation. And all things exposed for scripts and plugins
Initial implementation in an LTS version of Plasma. That's the bit that bugs me the most.
13:00 Yes, this does make sense to me. As someone that has used KDE for years, and is used to floating windows, this offers a perfect way for me to get the benefits of "zones" while keeping some floating window operations.
Same for me! I use fancy zones on WIndows a lot. Having a replication of it in plasma is the biggest thing since sliced bread for me. This feature rocks!
I actually like it.
It is simple, and it works.
f one really wants the full functions of a tilling windows manager, then you should install a tilling windows manager.
My understanding is, that the advantage of this feature is not the actual implementation, which is more or less just a demo, but the fact that there is a Tiling API now within Plasma that can be used by scripts to implement Tiling in a sane way. Not the hacky way Bismuth used to do. I don't know if there are any actual scripts yet who take advantage of the Tiling API, but sooner or later there will be and they won't be a buggy mess as Bismuth used to be.
It would be cool if KDE had such functionality for those who like tiling. The more people that use it the better, since that might lead to more developers interested in working on the project. I don't personally use tiling in any real form, but I do have shortcut keys setup to push windows into regions of the desktop they're on, and to fullscreen as well. It's been pretty handy to not have to use the mouse to snap vim to half of the screen and pin it to the top. But I also still use the mouse when I need more complex geometries which is probably equally as often.
This was very informative. Thank you, Matt!
*This* is the video I've been waiting for. Thank you.
This isn't meant to be replacing a tiling window manager, however, this is a good base for tiling Kwin scripts to add functionality that the user needs. On my 21:9 ultrawide monitor, this tiling is great, browser on the left, notes on the right, slightly offset so the browser portion is a bit bigger. The fact that it is mouse focused is perfectly fine as well, set it and forget it.
My complaints would be no option for single application "tiling", and no separate layouts per workspace.
If you're looking for full fledged TWM functionality you're going to be disappointed, but in that scenario, just run a TWM...
I'm not saying that it should have to replace a tiling window manager, though if you call some thing tiling, it should have some aspect of it. And I get it, this is the first attempt, and it will get better, but this is also an LTS, so this iteration will be around for a long while.
In order to be "tiling" at all, there should be some form of automation to it. So a mouse click or a keybinding to enter the tiling mode, so that your "single application" tiling mode kicks into gear. And then any window you open up next opens in the next available spawn region. It's really not that hard to think about how this could be very good, whether you want it to be mouse focused or not, it really doesn't matter. Plasma is all about giving people ton's of options, yet this has very few. Again, if this was beta, that'd be fine, but this was shipped in an LTS.
And I don't claim to speak for everyone. If this works for you, great, but that doesn't make my criticisms any less, since I can only do those from my POV.
try KDE-bismuth that's a tiling manager in KDE that automatically snap tiles and has keyboard shotcuts
Nice to know about this new feature.
I myself never felt the need for it as Super+ArrowKey tiling was more than enough for me.
As long as the previous feature doesn't get removed, I have no qualms with the new one being unpolished (not a fan of gap anyway).
For those who want the new tiling experience and want it to be better, giving your input in feature requests and discussions on the KDE forums is a good idea.
Thank you kind sir, this was of great use to me.
IIRC one of the Plasma developers said that they have no time/resources to implement a "real" tiling window manager but that they have to rely on the community to use this as a foundation for KWin scripts at this point instead - like e.g. Bismuth before.
And there are already some: e.g. Polonium and Autotile.
I saw a lot of comments talking about this, I was aware that 5.27 added this feature and played around with it for a little bit but I also was fully aware that this feature was basically in the most basic working state it could be as of currently and so I haven't used it much. I know that it is supposed to be getting iterated on to become better over time and I am looking forward to seeing what happens with it.
Thanks for all the linux content you bring to the community. I also like tiling windows managers, bspwm is my favorite so far
If I followed the development of the Plasma environment well and if I understood correctly, this option was never intended to be a replacement for wm tiling, but more like an addition and counterpart to the tiling option in Win11. Also, this option should pave the way for developers who would implement something more like tiling wm based on this code. Anyway, I agree that this doesn't make much sense right now.
Yeah, I think you're right. But it's not quite there either, but I think it will go that route. A mouse click to get to the layout editor like Windows has, and it would be closer to that.
This tiling seems nearly identical to the microsoft powertoys tiling that i use on my work laptop. There is no way to move between windows with the keyboard unless those windows are stacked in the same zone. But it seems to share all of the same issues.
Bismuth/Polonium is still working for me
Polonium is awesome. If the KDE guys steal that, my complaints will mostly be solved
@@TheLinuxCast I think this is the way to go. I looked this video and it is promising th-cam.com/video/7ZPG0IdPkHY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=R9g0EYhdsUGH_RLh the KDE team needs to integrate this thing. From my side I don't plan to adopt Polonium because not sure what will happen when Plasma 6 comes out. The current state of it seems to act like some extension, not a standalone Window Manager. If you look the video Bismuth was a separated thing, Polonium is embedded in the Kwin menu . I guess any upgrade of KDE and Polonium will break.
I’m a Windows refugee who uses KD, and even I can tell that this doesn’t make sense. Very much a WIP feature.
I had the impression [maybe I was wrong] when this was released that it was not so much a wm, but more giving you some of the "Fancy Zones" features you get with Windows Power Toys. It has the same shift/click/drag, but the editor is better for now on Windows, and you can save layouts.
Maybe run this in a VM to see what I mean
[edit] ah, someone else said the same thing 🙂
I think i was fairly happy distro hopper and i used DEs. But then pop!_os ruined that for me with windows tilling and really good (for me) keyboard shortcuts! :) I want new version of cosmic so bad. I use fedora 38 and i am satisfied. Thought of putting pop shell on it but everyone is keep saying they don't maintain it anymore so i am hesitant.
Pretty sure I read this is their first iteration, with more fleshed out features in later releases
I'm sure they will make it better. And it's not as if I reviewed a beta version.
What's happening with the clock widget in the panel? A few times during the video seconds tick noticeably faster than expected and their pace is not consistent at all. Last time I checked, that's not how time works.
I loved Bismuth but things started breaking for me with the most recent version of KDE. So I'm on Hyprland now.
There hasn't been any official announcement, but this probably killed the Bismuth tiling script, which is why I'm now using a WM.
Zoning is a great feature. It's not a tiling WM. WTF is the problem?
I'm not the one who called it tiling. If they wanted it to be reviewed as something else, they should have *called* it something else. Don't get pissy with me, Bearnaise.
this is not supposed to be a tiling window manager,it mimics the option from windows powertoys
Thanks for the explanation, maybe I missed it but how do I say add a browser or application to a tile? Shift drag doesn't work
Same. Let's see if Cosmic will have a better tiling.
Kind of like a halfway attempt - a step towards full tiling maybe? Great video, thank you
as a user of a manual tiling window manager this looks like a "manual manual tiling window manager", i'm sure there are users with use cases who enjoy this, but i highly doubt it's the majority
omg, that "feature" was delivered yesterday in steamos. really good video. can i disable that tiling feature? cant maximize with pull it on top anymore. kde is really ......
8:27 The expected behaviour you are talking about is *gap* , if gap is not supported then with some extra effort *margin* can be used as well, but *padding* is a really bad choice here.
Suppose there is a container (box of content):
1. padding will reduce content size and keep container size constant
2. margin will shift other containers and keep both content and container same size
3. gap only change empty space in between container (but older codebase may not support it)
There is another property called *gap*
Which is what should replace padding
The word I used is the correct one. In every tiling station I've ever seen those spaces are called gaps. Even in Material Shell and Pop!Shell those are called gaps. Why they decided padding was less confusing, IDK
I still wonder about this tiling thing. Some things become a thing after they don't exist. If I recollect correctly tiling used to be available in Windows 3.11 and then it disappeared in Windows 95.
Man, Fedora and gruvbox look so great.
Reminds me a lot of fancy zones in Windows.
Miss a lot of shortcuts, I hope in future the devs fix this.
I continue using Bismuth.
Well I'm not sure what they were thinking but I think a few more drinks are needed. Clearly they have no clue! What a mess. I can't beleave you explained this video as good as you did... 🤔
LLAP 🖖
Holy cow he actually took Trafotin's advice lmao
Please make a update video on it
I'd say tamper your expectations. Firstly, KDE ships new features raw so it'll get improved over time. Secondly It's not supposed to make kwin into tiling WM, you can replace kwin with i3 to do that. It's supposed to add more snapping options than the default 4 quadrants, (like windows does now,) possibility for future shortcut support is just a blueberry on top.
Wasn't expecting it to be a one to one replacement. Just better than it is, especially in an LTS release.
I don't even use a tiling window manager and the decision to make it mouse focused completely baffles me
You should try Gnome 44.2
IDK, I got proper tiling set up on Xero Linux a while ago. Worked for me.
With a script, though, right?
Is posible use bismuth in plasmashell 6.0.0 instead this tilling windows manager by default ?
Seems like they made some breaking changes, that is why the sections of plugins are separated between plasma 5 and plasma 6. Bismuth is pratically orphaned having his last commit 2 years ago (last time I saw). So I don't think It's going to have an update. There is polonium, a successor but It is a bit buggy for me.
Plasma is great in many ways but tilling is not one of them.
Just as easy to just right click in the current terminal window and open additional windows either vertical or horizontal. Also select open new window. Not sure understand the big deal about window tilting.
As someone who suffers from tendinitis I have found that using the keyboard all the time gets painful, so I swap between keyboard and mouse. This for me means Tiling Window Managers really are not that beneficial.
I'm not saying mouse actions are bad, just that keyboard options would be nice. I think those will come, but it wasn't here yet.
@@TheLinuxCast It would definitely add another side to KDE for sure. It will be interesting.
KDE plasma over any tilling window manager just because everything is so cohesive and fits nicely i love consistency. All my apps are Qt base and fits nicely. Tried several window managers and the inconsistencies always get to me. Although i know you can make things look somewhat uniform but it takes a lot of work and know how.
i just love plasma tiling tbh
But it's tiling, and not auto-tiling, and I personally prefer to delete the default layout and create large floating tiles instead, which lay ontop of each other with corners to click on, especially for the web-browser that usually takes up all space and you shift between applications and not tiles. It is a bit frustrating that it don't have automagic tiling as an extension, and it's also frustrating that plasma doesn't remember where you tiled a specific application earlier, which means you need to drag it to the spot you last had it open again. I like having static placements of certain applications, and auto-tiling doesn't do that. It's a floating tiling system, and not a auto-tiling system. I sure hope that positions of separate applications will be saved into a script or something later on, so that if you open an application it gets opened in tile 2 on desktop space 4 or something like that. To assign the tiles to specific applications would be awesome! That would make the utilisation of multiple virtual desktops the ultimate experience.
Different strokes for different folks, a lot of people don't even know what keyboard shortcuts are, that's why you do 2 methods of interacting with a feature. I sometimes use mouse functionality for these things when I am holding my son or eating. The no layout saving is pretty bad though, hopefully they add that.
You would never discover this feature without a keyboard shortcut. In fact, you can't even enter the layout editor without a keyboard shortcut.
I don't like tiling WMs in general so maybe that's why I like the current implentation for "tiling" in KDE
It's user friendly and mouse-centric which is great for me, I hate having to memorize tons of shortcuts
I still think it could be improved though, it seems a bit unfinished, windows 11 do this better
Think It seems a bit complex considering we all use tiling wm managers just to avoid these sort of complexity .....
I mean it’s a new feature and I think plasma 6 is supposed to build upon it.
I'm sure they will.
I thought the same upon seeing it
they didn't even thought about tiling window managers, they were trying to duplicate windows 11 tiling, with much less style!
This is based an a Windows powertoys utility and it's not a tiling window manager, unfortunately.
One of the features in 5.27 I immediately turn off or ignore. Useless. Frames on Gnome is also okay. i miss bismuth.
That's the problem with Plasma. Try to be Windows, Mac-OS and Linux at the same time, but the implementation is just not right.
Only 100 to go😎
This is not meant to be a tilling window manager. 🤷♂
I'm aware, thank you. It's not tiling at all.
@@TheLinuxCast I'll guess it's somewhat tiling?
a "gnomish way" :)
i like that
Early and without notification lol
This tiling is not good. I'd like to use tiling but not like that. I am not brave enough give up plasma and go to hyperland yet.
people in the Linux community are starting to bum me out. They are only interested in people that have full use of their hands . I cannot use my hands fully one finger barely off of one hand sort of in fact this is not typed by me this is Google help. I know of no dictation software for this operating system and very few ways to use TTS no way of using it in Wayland.And no I'm not talking about a screen reader I'm talking about a way to read just selected text. I can have the text red in in Xorg only. so Tiling window managers don't impress me.
Then don't use them. That's the great thing about Linux, if you don't like something there are alternatives out there that will suit your needs.
As for TTS, check out this.itsfoss.com/espeak-text-speech-linux/ Not sure how good it is, but it might help. As for wayland, not sure if it works there or not. Maybe just stick to xorg until Wayland is better. IDK.
KDE's tiling feature suck. I hated it so much that i moved back to POPos.
KDE needs to stay in their lane.
kde chronic disease in bugs
Matt hear is more likes, like, like, like, like, like, like, LOL GVM.
Matt this a hot mess. I personally have no use for tiling what so ever. For those who do stay away from this if you like tiling window managers, stay away!. Bloated buggy bull-^^^^ . BBB if you like.
I dont like the new and fancy, im quite happy without the drama, I'll take XFCE any day, or HLWM...
Just use Polonium.
Totally useless fancy windows clone. Like so many things with kde it's not even finished. Some idiot at kde comes up with some stupid idea, in many cases completely unfinished, never looked at again. In case of tiling on kde, allow disabling completely this new crap "tiling" feature and bring back full functionality of bismuth.
It works just like FancyZones in Windows PowerToys. LOL