The 20 mph limit was introduced in Bristol several years ago on the pretext of reducing accidents . It didn't and by slowing everything to a crawl , increased pollution however it stayed . The reason being the extra revenue stream from the fines for "Speeding"
They put a 20 mph limit near a school near me. The school closed years ago, and the limit remains. Some people may be on 100 mile journeys, not popping round schools and shops. They are trying to drive motorists off the road, and disabling business drivers.
I'm fine with 20mph around schools, most people are but I will be ignoring 20mph anywhere else as I was not consulted on it and I did not vote for it. Mark Drakeford is an embarrassment to the Welsh people!
This is how parlementary democracy works. It would be an absolute nightmare if everyone was asked about every decision that was made in parliament. Do you walk around the streets naked because you weren't asked if you agree with the laws on indecent exposure?
@@Alvio64 How democracy in the UK works is the politician buggers a child and then does as they are told or the Crown puts them in Jail and in the papers. Both of which they own and operate. This was proved beyond any doubt in both the Epstein and Savile cases.
You vote for people to make decisions. There can never be a referendum on every issue. Most of the complaints being made here are from motorists. There has been a lower speed limit in the Scottish Borders town for years with a subsequent reduction in serious accidents. I'm a motorist myself but would hate it if a child was killed because I wanted to drive that bit faster.
At 20 mph we are going to inherit a myriad of problems. People will walk into the road in front of oncoming traffic thinking it’s safer (which it isn’t), pollution will rise due to queuing traffic in lower gears, road rage will increase because some will stick to the limit when others will have no intention and will be making dangerous overtakes, delivery drivers who only get paid for the amount of drop offs they do will either lose money or quit, elderly people who are already terrified of the over zealous traffic cops will be doing 17 mph instead of 27 mph and the majority of drivers are going to be severely pissed off. Many drivers will be looking in their rear view mirrors more than the road ahead in case there’s a police car behind. Oh yeh and it’s going to affect tourism. How the hell did this stupid idea ever come close to being sanctioned ???
If everyone got off there damn phones when crossing the roads and paid a bit more attention to what there doing I bet there be less accidents on the roads, maybe the government should look at the pedestrian and not always penalising the drivers
I absolutely agree,20 is ridiculous,a main artery into Cardiff at a snails pace . To me,it's another bash at the motorist. I noticed there's speed humps as well. Stop/starting causes more pollution. Side roads, definitely, especially with schools on them. This scheme is as crap as bus lanes on dual carriageways,or traffic lights on islands and now cycle lanes which narrow main roads as well. I'm seething with the bullshit that councils and government come out with in their words,make road users safer. It's clogging the road system up and to me,more dangerous. Blocking minor roads in places when residents complains it's a rat run,one way only etc. I give up,get the bloke with a red flag.
When they bring road charging in and your journey takes longer. The Government, the Mayor of London and TFL etc. Will have the ability with your smart phone & Smart online care to earn mire money from us. Your smart car will not be your friend
Just for fun over the last 2 days I have been driving at 20 mph in 30 mph zones in North Wales! I had one driver weaving from side to side on my rear bumper, as though warming his tyres for an F1 Race! Another flashing his headlights from behind! 20 mph is going to cause serious ROAD RAGE! Welcome to the Madness that is British Government!
Yeh I tried this just for a laugh. Within seconds I had a delivery van literally sitting on my rear bumper. Then he overtook me and must have accelerated to at least 40 in the 30 zone. Awful idea, gonna hate driving round Wales now.
The combination of driving at 20 miles an hour plus the new petrol is causing cars to slowly malfunction and breakdown due to the carbon deposits building up in the engine, I wonder why they thought this would be a good idea?!
Your mistake is imagining that they did this because they thought it was a good idea. Take note of what the WEF are telling everyone - "you'll own nothing, and be happy" - Google the phrase in quotes for further clarification.
A new EV is about £40k my current small economical car cost sub £5k and I only spent that much because it was a good low mileage example. I don't like the thought of all that child slave labour in 3rd world countries used to mine the necessary minerals and metals to create car batteries either because I have morals. Unlike the government who are pushing them like no tomorrow.
Actually it is partly because ethanol is a water based solvent and has no place in an internal combustion engine designed for oil based solvents. Also they can now have a limit for water in fuel which they couldn't have before as it wouldn't mix.
@@striderwhiston9897 In our village it encourages impatience, more queues of traffic and we never previously had an issue with 30mph? Might as well make it 10mph if we’re going for this approach.
@@djme-123 Such things actually will eventually cause more people to use alternatives like public transport and cycling, which will in the end actually make driving faster. I'd rather wait a few extra minutes than lives be taken
@@striderwhiston9897 Except lives were never take before in most cases? There have been zero deaths in our village in the last 40 years, so why reduce the speed limit? Fair enough if the road has a history of accidents. To be honest on the average Sunday morning middle aged men in Lycra peddling 4 a breast is far more dangerous than a car doing 27mph instead of 20mph. Like I say, let’s just make it 10mph or ban cars on certain roads if we’re that concerned. Why 20mph?
I agree with you, its to slow and hard to stay at 20mph. Ok some really 'dangerous' sections of a road 20mph. How about 25mph happy medium (Not joking) this debate could go on forever.
Yeah really safe... spend most the time looking at the speedo and people just pull out in front of you and pedestrians just walk out. Same as cycle lanes... now the road is so narrow causing head ons and pedestrians stepping out behind buses etc . Absolute madness
I think the Welsh government are going the wrong way about it tbh. They did the same around by me dropping a 60 to 40 (reasonably modern bypass not a rural kind of 60) There's been fatalities but these are from racers and joy riders doing well in excess of 60. Now we have 40 zones and in the time it's taken to act, those same people responsible for fatalities are already out of prison. Until we give harsher sentences to dangerous killers on the road, deaths are still going to occur.
@@philiproscoe2968 What did you think this was? You know it's the monarchy doing this right? That's why they dont care what you think. What are you gonna do vote them out ahahah🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@philiproscoe2968 15 minute foot. You'll be lucky if they let you own a bike. They'll probably put lockouts on your bikes if they go out of your zone . They'll say its anti theft
I ride my motorbike to work and it won't like staying in 1st gear at 20mph and under so I'll be going in old smokey my transit van when the 20mph kicks in banging out more co2
I live in Colwyn Bay, and work in Llandudno. The only viable way to travel is along Colwyn Bay Promenade, through Rhos on Sea, Penrhyn Bay, and up a short dual carriageway. That is now the only 30MPH stretch, apart from the roads which used to be 40. During the day, it doesn't make any difference, as the holiday makers never used to get up to 20mph anyway. But the morning, or evening, it has just doubled the time that it takes me to drive to work. I am travelling along the same roads as the bus. I have written to the BBC, when I was living in England, about why people are not using public transport, which they read on the radio at the time, and apart from the cost of using public transport, the busses were far to infrequent, and cost more than driving. The frequency of busses through Colwyn Bay, and Llandudno is not an issue any more, about on every 10 minutes during the day, 30 minutes on Sundays. It was taking 3 times longer on the bus, than to drive.
If you want higher prices for everything, because haulage companies are going to use more fuel and more man hours to deliver goods, which includes food which is already at record high prices, the cost can only be passed on to us
Can't recall ever being asked as a resident/taxpayer in Wales if I wanted these 20mph zones introduced. Just like Net Zero its being introduced in the most Undemocratic of ways....Thats your Labour Party for you. Hardly Working for the people of wales are they. Absolute Disgrace and illogical nonsense. Yes introduce them for school zones by all means....But some roads they have introduced them are a total nonsense.
@edeledeledel5490 ahhh your one of those folk that likes to attach labels to everyone then....I suppose you also think its acceptable for the state to interfere with every aspect of your life because you lack the ability to think and do for yourself....maybe!. And yes I am of the opinion that a politicians job is to serve the people not tell the people they are supposed to represent what to do.
@@andrewmayo608 You made a scathing comment about the Labour party - you stuck the label on yourself - I just read it. Your comment about the "state" is ludicrous; the Tory party is much more interested in outrageous new laws curtailing the freedom of the average citizen than the Labour Party. New police powers, new anti-demonstration laws, new anti-Trade Union laws, but relaxing laws for corporations and the laws that protect citizens from pollution and other hazards.
I live in Dartford, Kent. Be a luxury being able to do 20 most days !😂😂😂 it’s far to slow, let’s up it to 40 and be done with it and abolish speed cameras. 👌💪 let’s remember most speed regs were introduced when cars were lucky to have brakes! These days cars can stop in an instant. Times have changed. Concentrate on the use of Mobiles phones, drink and drug driving. That’ll save the lives. All Smoke and mirrors.
40 is now double the limit and as such is an automatic ban. Plus now the police have a justification for stopping vehicles at 21 mph. In other words everybody.
by the way by slower even if you are using the engine revs, you are actually using more fuel to cover the same distance and thereby also causing more pollution. this whole idea is backwards thinking.
Great idea, they should also have someone walking in front the car with a red flag( extra safe eh) …oh, they tried that in the 1920’s! It seems politicians sit on their ass spending all their time thinking up new ways to inhibit driving! Why not spend some time trying to improve the record waiting lists, or help the homeless or develop a police force that actually fights crime!
Every journey in an urban environment will take about 30% more time on the road. What will that mean to delivery drivers for amazon, etc? Probably 30% more delivery drivers. Travel at 20mph may well use more petrol or diesel, since a lower gear will be used, and probably cause more pollution as engines will not be at the best efficiency. The stated purpose is admirable, but this is NOT THE SOLUTION and will probably make things worse.
Just so glad I live in Thailand. Driving in the UK is not a pleasant experience. Revenue gathering is out of control and is used as a reason for safety. Yet manufacturers are allowed to make cars and motorcycles capable of speeds 120-140mph . Why? Because the UK government want the cake and eat it.
The problem with the debate on this is that most people don't understand what it's about and will conflate speed limits with actual traffic speeds and assume speed limits are a general form of traffic calming. Traffic speeds are overwhelmingly dicated not by speed limits, but more by the design of the road and the conditions at the time. The actual averarage speed (of free-flowing) traffic is likely to go down by more than 1mph, so the stopping distance statistic is almost moot point. However a small drop in traffic speeds could still be seen as safer. There's a good reason why limits have not aways just been set very low. There are safety concerns at setting limits too low or too high, for one thing you can give pedestrians a faulse indication of actual traffic speeds causing them to take less care when crossing. Also you're putting the prohibition onto the behaviour of some of the most sensible drivers on the road and forcing the police to target them to the detriment of them being able to target those who genuinely treat the roads as a race track. It's also the top 1-5% of drivers who are most likely to do harm and the ones properly set speed limits are more efficient at singling out. Then you have the Solomon curve to take into account, if you're driving significantly slower than the mean traffic flow and causing traffic to bunch up behind you that makes you a distraction to other drivers, increasing accident risks for your self and others.
if you can't drive safely at 20mph then you need to get off the road for good don't you instead of trying to twist facts to suit your idiotic argument ?
As fast as you want unless it is an electric bike then you are limited to twelve miles per hour, and will get banned off your car licence for no insurance. And they will steal your ebike. But the 20 is all about cyclists right? Personally I think they banned usable speed ebikes so that cars weren't being overtaken by them when they introduced these ridiculous speed limits. Just another thing that exposes the lies they tell.
@@Alvio64 No I won't, I ignore their statutes as I am in a state of lawful rebellion. Due to the political corruption surrounding the Epstein and Savile cases and the UK Crowns involvement in those crimes.🤗
The issue is if you aren't complying with the speed limit you will eventually lose your licence. In my area the law have been out and people have been caught with fines & points issued. So it's not worth taking a chance.
If average speed zones are good enough for the M4 round Newport, why not in the 20 zones? And what happened to speed +20% +1? Too much inappropriate precision!
Nope. Not in any way. As long as you are leg powered. If you go over twelve mph on an Ebike you will lose your car licence your Ebike and probably get done for no insurance. I can hit 30 on pedals no problem. Stupid country. Run by stupid people.
hii my car speed is 40mph. but road speed limit is 20mph .now court is decision i dont know.( new driver) What do you think 3 or 6 penality points ya license revoked ya speedawareness course ,this is my first mistake
The only people who will be voting Labour now are the brain dead and wealthy elites from the Labour party. The ordinary people have had enough of the control freaks from the Labour Party. It's definitely time for a change and kick out the useless Labour Party.
The Police don't enforce them, they take a lot of money to install including a traffic regulation order and they are an unrealistic expectation on the motorist. I fail to see how it will cut pollution. You will have to change down, it raises the revs.
I think it will lower pollution overall, but not by much. In the video the car was doing the same revs at 20 as at 30, due to use of a lower gear, so emissions will be very similar when running at a constant speed. This is ignoring any reduction in wind resistance at 20. There will be less acceleration overall at 20, so less emissions. Also particulate emissions from brake use will be lower at 20, due to less overall deceleration. I'm not a fan of 20 limits on main roads, such at the one shown in the video, but there is a more of a case for them on housing estates and near schools. Most sensible drivers already slow down in those areas anyway. All drivers will have to suffer due to a few speeding idiots unfortunately.
Due to the increase in electric vehicles the the emissions will reduce anyway and as for safety maybe they should spend the money on educating people how to cross the road and cars travelling at 20 MPH will frustrate impatient drivers following them and may cause them to overtake dangerously
Electric vehicles produce more emissions. Plus it is a thing with the British to make somebody wait for a little power trip. So "impatient" to one person is being held up by a bellend with nowhere to be to others.
@@robsurname4054 You just don't want to hear it. Electric vehicles produce more emissions and more dangerous pollution in their life time than Ic engines.
Where are they making the savings, as what they are saying is pie in the sky! As you have pointed out they will be no saving in fuel due to the engine having to remain at the same revs as you have to change into a lower gear. Most vehicles will brake in far less distance than the quoted figures! Modern cars will stop in the length of themselves at 30 mph! The only way the councils might make money is if the install speed cameras all over the place and fine those who go over the limits!
@@robsurname4054 I don't have accidents and drive my car correctly so as not to damage it. So how are WE saving anything? You might be. Because you crash and damage your car through poor vehicle handling skills. I am not. No matter how much you shout. 🤣🤣
Be more accidents folk looking at their sped all the time, the slower you go and the lower gear the more pollution you put out…it’s about getting folk off the road and fines for revenue generation.
Now do not forget the new members bill passed for an extra 36 member to the senedd at a cost of expanding the chamber of £8m and a cost to pay the 36 new members of £18m per year, as we got all this spare money laying around to do this then Wales must have no issues at all. With all the potholes filled in. So the police, firemen and ambulance service must be fully staffed and well-paid school and Hospitals building all UpToDate with no issues, All service working well with stores of salt grit for the winter due to start in two to three months.
Competency Test at age 70 then every 5 years - you can have a retest. Get those dithering OAPs of our streets - that clears the roads, makes us greener and saves our children.
my feeling is that the majority are being penalised for the minority of drivers who are inclined to speed, when motorists are sensible and abide by the laws then 30 is ok but this is abused so we are all now required to go slower.
1:17 so they say it will reduce emissions by changing the speed limit to 20mph from 30mph. Well here's a shocker for everyone that is a load of rubbish. Reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph increases emissions by 50%..................... YES 50%, not 0.5%, 50%
Bad driving has more to do with the issue here not speed, we see it all the time idiots over taking on blind corners or just simply crossing the white line to cut the corner with no concern for oncoming traffic and most have no knowledge on how to read the white lines warning you that a junction or side road is ahead. Money spent on a road safety advertising campaign refreshing and reminding people of the danger by not reading and using the road signs properly and higher fines with points for repeat offenders will create safer roads in my opinion.
20 mph do i agree hell no its a crawl i will gladly hold up everyone im in no rush if the emergency services are behind me i will still do 20 mph so i dont get caught by a nob head of a speed awareness officer holding a speed camera in front of me waiting and hoping me to speed in order to get his pay bonus i will drive at 20 mph and as i have a speed limiter installed on my vehicle i cant speed so welsh government its just gonna cost you more in some way or another like more pollution for lower gear driving im driving in 3rd gear engine revving its balls off do i care no about pollution hell no its your fault
I think that the less emissions comes from the fact that at 20 you are more likely to be at constant speed most of the time, avoiding the accelerations that waste fuel. Otherwise best mileage is usually between 30 and 55, depending on car and engine, if you are at constant speed; but the faster you go, the less likely you are. By the way, to me is always strange seeing footage of vehicles driving on the "wrong" side of the road 😁
Since you're spending most of the fuel when you're stopping the car and then re-accelerating again to either 20 or 30, the savings that you hypothetically get by limiting the speed to 20 are negligible - in city rides, you anyway spend much more fuel because you need to start and stop. Also, it's a bit dubious whether the 20 limit will result in less starting and stopping overall, and in less traffic jams - e.g. it might just decrease the vehicle flow at traffic lights, which will result in more starting and stopping.
@@EugenAntunGojks At least you don't have the acceleration from 20 to 30, may seems not a bit deal but multiplies for a lot of vehicles you are doing something. Accelerations lower your mileage by a lot. I'm just speculating the reasons not defending this decision, in my country speed limits signs are more of a decoration and nobody cares about them, unless there is a speed camera
I live in Pontypool and a large part of my road is a single lane with no pavement. I have clocked cars doing 60mph. I would be happy with 30mph.Once it is reduced to 20mph, it will make no difference to the brain dead drivers speeding up and down my road.I am not a lover of speed bumps, but we really need something to slow the traffic down.
It will in effect create more accidents as drivers become more and more frustrated. Couple this with the stupid decision to give bicycles and pedestrians right of way over motor vehicles and you have a recipe for carnage. Not satisfied with this however roads are being narrowed everywhere to create even more hazards.
It's ALL A SCAM!! I'm 53 and most of my life we've been told" we only have 10 yrs before it's Unreversable" 40+ yrs later= Same Hysteria! I've got a 2020 2SS Camaro and at $5 a gallon for premium I put my foot to the floor whenever possible!! Watch that gas gauge go down right before your eyes! LOL. Also drive A big 2005 Silverado V8!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
We have to reduce speed .. as this guy said, everyone is breaking the speed limit... so we need to reduce the speed limit to INSIST that drivers reduce speed
Good discussion, but let's not forget that blanket 20 mph limits have been commonplace in Scotland for a decade or more, and many cities throughout Europe have had similar rules for a good while. Wales isn't some eccentric anomaly. There is another point to be made. Incidence of accidents is not a good measure. Some of the most dangerous roads have the fewest accidents. Pedestrians and cyclists avoid them altogether. Speeding traffic suppresses demand from vulnerable road users, so low speeds encourage walking and cycliing.
You pulled that out of your arse. Most pro footbal and rugby players can run faster. Equates to 12+ seconds for 100m, taking acceleration into account. In others words, slow as fuck for a car with modern breaking technology. Past schools and built up areas, more than enough. Should be 15mph tbh. Anywhere else, nonsense.
I find that unbelievable. But I am willing to be convinced. But a specific reference to a document is required, not just "read up on the Transport Institute at Napier University". That is just a completely useless statement, and imparts no information whatsoever. And some one else posting on this page says it going to cost £4 billion to change, so payback is 40 years, even if it's true!
@@edeledeledel5490 Reality is google the university's assessement. They figure that there will be a £100 million saving to Wales in the first year alone .. this takes into account the cost of hospital care, cost of deaths, loss of work, damage to vehicles and infrastructure .. emergency services costs etc etc etc...I'm sure you are old enough and wise enough to google and find the report for yourself, you do not need a baby bottle now do you ?
It is about sharing space ... a reduction in speed makes it viable for pedestrians, children, cyclists to be in the space relatively safely and therefore will encourage motorists OFF THE ROAD which will benefit those motorists who have to be on the road
So they will be dealing with the huge amount of masonic nonces then? You know, the endemic establishment child abuse that goes on. Wouldn't that make it a safer country for the kiddies? The real problem for cyclists is a lot of people in Britain are psychotic lunatics who hate cyclists with a passion. Maybe deal with the amount of those around first.
I think this is great for increasing safety, 20mph statistically has a much lower fatality rate compared to 30mph, i've had friends die to car crashes and it's horrible, anything to increase safety, I agree with.
@@rollermineclips8022 how about we just ban cars 🚗 you would like that wouldn't you 🤡 it's people like you that make me sick with your vegan beards , and cycling shorts ! I drive everywhere at 35 - 40 mph and will continue to do so
If you cant drive safely at 30 you shouldn't have a car licence. Further you shouldn't expect the entire country to pander to your skill issues. I have driven for 30 years. I have never had an accident or points, I have been pulled twice, once for a defective brake light and once just cause the copper felt like doing it.
What the f*ck has that paper got to do with 20 MPH speed limits in urban environments? And bespoke software development for specific scenarios is fraught with development delays, ballooning costs, expensive changes, and being totally unfit for purpose and a complete waste of money. See Post Office s/w causing hundreds of subpostmasters to be wrongly convicted of fraud, the huge test and trace failure during COVID, several other NHS s/w fiascos, and others too numerous to mention, in many different technical fields. What makes you think Siemens are going to get it anywhere near right, considering Civil Servants are going to be involved in the contracts? TfL are just going to get screwed for millions, if not tens of millions, or even more.
The 20 mph limit was introduced in Bristol several years ago on the pretext of reducing accidents . It didn't and by slowing everything to a crawl , increased pollution however it stayed . The reason being the extra revenue stream from the fines for "Speeding"
Yep, I think you've put your finger on it; and they are not going to want to give up that revenue any time soon.
They put a 20 mph limit near a school near me. The school closed years ago, and the limit remains. Some people may be on 100 mile journeys, not popping round schools and shops. They are trying to drive motorists off the road, and disabling business drivers.
20 mph it will be like driving behind a tractor all day
I'm fine with 20mph around schools, most people are but I will be ignoring 20mph anywhere else as I was not consulted on it and I did not vote for it. Mark Drakeford is an embarrassment to the Welsh people!
That's what happens when leaders are selected not elected.
This is how parlementary democracy works. It would be an absolute nightmare if everyone was asked about every decision that was made in parliament. Do you walk around the streets naked because you weren't asked if you agree with the laws on indecent exposure?
@@Alvio64 How democracy in the UK works is the politician buggers a child and then does as they are told or the Crown puts them in Jail and in the papers. Both of which they own and operate. This was proved beyond any doubt in both the Epstein and Savile cases.
Good luck with that idea.
You vote for people to make decisions. There can never be a referendum on every issue. Most of the complaints being made here are from motorists. There has been a lower speed limit in the Scottish Borders town for years with a subsequent reduction in serious accidents. I'm a motorist myself but would hate it if a child was killed because I wanted to drive that bit faster.
The mix of 20 and 30 mph roads are confusing and disorientating
Good job Wales is making all urban roads 20mph then.
At 20 mph we are going to inherit a myriad of problems. People will walk into the road in front of oncoming traffic thinking it’s safer (which it isn’t), pollution will rise due to queuing traffic in lower gears, road rage will increase because some will stick to the limit when others will have no intention and will be making dangerous overtakes, delivery drivers who only get paid for the amount of drop offs they do will either lose money or quit, elderly people who are already terrified of the over zealous traffic cops will be doing 17 mph instead of 27 mph and the majority of drivers are going to be severely pissed off. Many drivers will be looking in their rear view mirrors more than the road ahead in case there’s a police car behind. Oh yeh and it’s going to affect tourism. How the hell did this stupid idea ever come close to being sanctioned ???
If everyone got off there damn phones when crossing the roads and paid a bit more attention to what there doing I bet there be less accidents on the roads, maybe the government should look at the pedestrian and not always penalising the drivers
Absolutely. Just nonchalantly step into the rode whilst on facetime pouting lips. Ridiculous
I absolutely agree,20 is ridiculous,a main artery into Cardiff at a snails pace . To me,it's another bash at the motorist. I noticed there's speed humps as well. Stop/starting causes more pollution. Side roads, definitely, especially with schools on them. This scheme is as crap as bus lanes on dual carriageways,or traffic lights on islands and now cycle lanes which narrow main roads as well. I'm seething with the bullshit that councils and government come out with in their words,make road users safer. It's clogging the road system up and to me,more dangerous. Blocking minor roads in places when residents complains it's a rat run,one way only etc. I give up,get the bloke with a red flag.
When they bring road charging in and your journey takes longer.
The Government, the Mayor of London and TFL etc.
Will have the ability with your smart phone & Smart online care to earn mire money from us.
Your smart car will not be your friend
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We used to teach children the Green Cross Code. Now we need to teach adults.
exactly ... Adult motorists need to start taking responsibility
Just for fun over the last 2 days I have been driving at 20 mph in 30 mph zones in North Wales! I had one driver weaving from side to side on my rear bumper, as though warming his tyres for an F1 Race! Another flashing his headlights from behind! 20 mph is going to cause serious ROAD RAGE! Welcome to the Madness that is British Government!
Yeh I tried this just for a laugh. Within seconds I had a delivery van literally sitting on my rear bumper. Then he overtook me and must have accelerated to at least 40 in the 30 zone. Awful idea, gonna hate driving round Wales now.
The combination of driving at 20 miles an hour plus the new petrol is causing cars to slowly malfunction and breakdown due to the carbon deposits building up in the engine, I wonder why they thought this would be a good idea?!
Your mistake is imagining that they did this because they thought it was a good idea.
Take note of what the WEF are telling everyone - "you'll own nothing, and be happy" - Google the phrase in quotes for further clarification.
@@onepalproductions love to see mentions of the WEF, their are biggest threat right now and nobody knows about it
Get an EV
A new EV is about £40k my current small economical car cost sub £5k and I only spent that much because it was a good low mileage example. I don't like the thought of all that child slave labour in 3rd world countries used to mine the necessary minerals and metals to create car batteries either because I have morals. Unlike the government who are pushing them like no tomorrow.
Actually it is partly because ethanol is a water based solvent and has no place in an internal combustion engine designed for oil based solvents. Also they can now have a limit for water in fuel which they couldn't have before as it wouldn't mix.
Personally I think 20mph is dangerous and unnecessary.
20mph statistically is a TON safer than 30mph, it's only dangerous if you speed.
@@striderwhiston9897 In our village it encourages impatience, more queues of traffic and we never previously had an issue with 30mph? Might as well make it 10mph if we’re going for this approach.
@@djme-123 Such things actually will eventually cause more people to use alternatives like public transport and cycling, which will in the end actually make driving faster.
I'd rather wait a few extra minutes than lives be taken
@@striderwhiston9897 Except lives were never take before in most cases? There have been zero deaths in our village in the last 40 years, so why reduce the speed limit? Fair enough if the road has a history of accidents. To be honest on the average Sunday morning middle aged men in Lycra peddling 4 a breast is far more dangerous than a car doing 27mph instead of 20mph. Like I say, let’s just make it 10mph or ban cars on certain roads if we’re that concerned. Why 20mph?
I agree with you, its to slow and hard to stay at 20mph. Ok some really 'dangerous' sections of a road 20mph.
How about 25mph happy medium (Not joking) this debate could go on forever.
Thats crazy, i live in the usa, and some roads are 20mph but NEVER a main road, those are usually ranging from 35-55mph.
Yeah really safe... spend most the time looking at the speedo and people just pull out in front of you and pedestrians just walk out. Same as cycle lanes... now the road is so narrow causing head ons and pedestrians stepping out behind buses etc . Absolute madness
I think the Welsh government are going the wrong way about it tbh.
They did the same around by me dropping a 60 to 40 (reasonably modern bypass not a rural kind of 60)
There's been fatalities but these are from racers and joy riders doing well in excess of 60.
Now we have 40 zones and in the time it's taken to act, those same people responsible for fatalities are already out of prison. Until we give harsher sentences to dangerous killers on the road, deaths are still going to occur.
40 on a dual carriageway, yet i can drive at 60 in country lanes no wider than one car.
i v'e been driving 36 years never been done for speeding and now i get a speeding ticket for 25 mph gutted
me too. And they hid in a lay-by 100yds AFTER the fixed camera.
We are "revenue opportunities" to these people.
@@philiproscoe2968 What did you think this was? You know it's the monarchy doing this right? That's why they dont care what you think. What are you gonna do vote them out ahahah🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't break the law. It's easy
@@kevinmee9546 is it easy though? when laws are extended past reasonable powers you could say that it is your civic duty to ignore those laws.
@@nospoon4799 yes it's easy not to speed. No it's not a civic duty to break the law
20mph not much faster than a mobility scooter ridiculous
It's costing 4 Billion of your finest Welsh pounds. Who voted to spend all your money on this crap idea?
dripford
Sept 2023 its now all 20mph speed limit
Leave for work earlier get home later. Same congestion on the roads.
You will not own a private vehicle. You will live in your zone and be 15 mins from everything
wander if its15 mins by Bugatti Veyron or 15 mins by Fiat 500 ?
@@philiproscoe2968 15 minute foot. You'll be lucky if they let you own a bike. They'll probably put lockouts on your bikes if they go out of your zone . They'll say its anti theft
I ride my motorbike to work and it won't like staying in 1st gear at 20mph and under so I'll be going in old smokey my transit van when the 20mph kicks in banging out more co2
I live in Colwyn Bay, and work in Llandudno. The only viable way to travel is along Colwyn Bay Promenade, through Rhos on Sea, Penrhyn Bay, and up a short dual carriageway. That is now the only 30MPH stretch, apart from the roads which used to be 40. During the day, it doesn't make any difference, as the holiday makers never used to get up to 20mph anyway. But the morning, or evening, it has just doubled the time that it takes me to drive to work.
I am travelling along the same roads as the bus.
I have written to the BBC, when I was living in England, about why people are not using public transport, which they read on the radio at the time, and apart from the cost of using public transport, the busses were far to infrequent, and cost more than driving.
The frequency of busses through Colwyn Bay, and Llandudno is not an issue any more, about on every 10 minutes during the day, 30 minutes on Sundays. It was taking 3 times longer on the bus, than to drive.
If you want higher prices for everything, because haulage companies are going to use more fuel and more man hours to deliver goods, which includes food which is already at record high prices, the cost can only be passed on to us
Can't recall ever being asked as a resident/taxpayer in Wales if I wanted these 20mph zones introduced.
Just like Net Zero its being introduced in the most Undemocratic of ways....Thats your Labour Party for you.
Hardly Working for the people of wales are they.
Absolute Disgrace and illogical nonsense.
Yes introduce them for school zones by all means....But some roads they have introduced them are a total nonsense.
Your blue rosette or possibly UKIP badge is showing...
@@edeledeledel5490 and your point is?
@@andrewmayo608 My point is that your perception of the efficacy and suitability of any regulation may be coloured by being right-wing.
@edeledeledel5490 ahhh your one of those folk that likes to attach labels to everyone then....I suppose you also think its acceptable for the state to interfere with every aspect of your life because you lack the ability to think and do for yourself....maybe!.
And yes I am of the opinion that a politicians job is to serve the people not tell the people they are supposed to represent what to do.
@@andrewmayo608 You made a scathing comment about the Labour party - you stuck the label on yourself - I just read it.
Your comment about the "state" is ludicrous; the Tory party is much more interested in outrageous new laws curtailing the freedom of the average citizen than the Labour Party. New police powers, new anti-demonstration laws, new anti-Trade Union laws, but relaxing laws for corporations and the laws that protect citizens from pollution and other hazards.
Expect expensive repairs with modern diesel vehicles, with DPF filters etc.
And gearbox repairs.. they weren’t designed to stay permanently in 3rd gear
It is all about generating speeding fines.
And all about frustrating drivers to the point they just put on a mask, get vaxxed and stay afraid in their home peeking through the curtains
I live in Dartford, Kent. Be a luxury being able to do 20 most days !😂😂😂 it’s far to slow, let’s up it to 40 and be done with it and abolish speed cameras. 👌💪 let’s remember most speed regs were introduced when cars were lucky to have brakes! These days cars can stop in an instant. Times have changed. Concentrate on the use of Mobiles phones, drink and drug driving. That’ll save the lives. All Smoke and mirrors.
40 is now double the limit and as such is an automatic ban. Plus now the police have a justification for stopping vehicles at 21 mph. In other words everybody.
@@nospoon4799 yes very true mate. Blooming 20mph ffs 🤨🤦♂️🤦♂️ and a ban at 41mph 😩😩🥱
by the way by slower even if you are using the engine revs, you are actually using more fuel to cover the same distance and thereby also causing more pollution. this whole idea is backwards thinking.
Great idea, they should also have someone walking in front the car with a red flag( extra safe eh) …oh, they tried that in the 1920’s! It seems politicians sit on their ass spending all their time thinking up new ways to inhibit driving! Why not spend some time trying to improve the record waiting lists, or help the homeless or develop a police force that actually fights crime!
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You get what you vote for...
And yes I agree that 20mph on main roads is a joke :(
Tooooo slooow :(
an old man with laws for old people
Every journey in an urban environment will take about 30% more time on the road. What will that mean to delivery drivers for amazon, etc? Probably 30% more delivery drivers. Travel at 20mph may well use more petrol or diesel, since a lower gear will be used, and probably cause more pollution as engines will not be at the best efficiency.
The stated purpose is admirable, but this is NOT THE SOLUTION and will probably make things worse.
Exactly. Obviously politicians never tell whole truth to keep society blindly being Eco and road safe friendly.
Just so glad I live in Thailand. Driving in the UK is not a pleasant experience. Revenue gathering is out of control and is used as a reason for safety. Yet manufacturers are allowed to make cars and motorcycles capable of speeds 120-140mph . Why? Because the UK government want the cake and eat it.
The problem with the debate on this is that most people don't understand what it's about and will conflate speed limits with actual traffic speeds and assume speed limits are a general form of traffic calming.
Traffic speeds are overwhelmingly dicated not by speed limits, but more by the design of the road and the conditions at the time. The actual averarage speed (of free-flowing) traffic is likely to go down by more than 1mph, so the stopping distance statistic is almost moot point. However a small drop in traffic speeds could still be seen as safer. There's a good reason why limits have not aways just been set very low.
There are safety concerns at setting limits too low or too high, for one thing you can give pedestrians a faulse indication of actual traffic speeds causing them to take less care when crossing.
Also you're putting the prohibition onto the behaviour of some of the most sensible drivers on the road and forcing the police to target them to the detriment of them being able to target those who genuinely treat the roads as a race track. It's also the top 1-5% of drivers who are most likely to do harm and the ones properly set speed limits are more efficient at singling out.
Then you have the Solomon curve to take into account, if you're driving significantly slower than the mean traffic flow and causing traffic to bunch up behind you that makes you a distraction to other drivers, increasing accident risks for your self and others.
if you can't drive safely at 20mph then you need to get off the road for good don't you instead of trying to twist facts to suit your idiotic argument ?
Plus the constant looking at the speedo instead of the road.
@@TheByard You do NOT need to be looking at your speedo more often at 20 than any other speed !
You do with all the new cameras that are being installed.@@robsurname4054
Iv been driving around Swansea for the past 7 days at 20 mph and found no problem with it most of the roads are still 30
How fast on push bikes .😘
As fast as you like apparently.😀
Cycle then, you might get there faster
As fast as you want unless it is an electric bike then you are limited to twelve miles per hour, and will get banned off your car licence for no insurance. And they will steal your ebike. But the 20 is all about cyclists right? Personally I think they banned usable speed ebikes so that cars weren't being overtaken by them when they introduced these ridiculous speed limits. Just another thing that exposes the lies they tell.
@@nospoon4799 ebikes can go faster than 12mph, you'll just be doing it without any electric assist
@@Alvio64 No I won't, I ignore their statutes as I am in a state of lawful rebellion. Due to the political corruption surrounding the Epstein and Savile cases and the UK Crowns involvement in those crimes.🤗
The issue is if you aren't complying with the speed limit you will eventually lose your licence. In my area the law have been out and people have been caught with fines & points issued. So it's not worth taking a chance.
Nope. Stupid idea.
If average speed zones are good enough for the M4 round Newport, why not in the 20 zones? And what happened to speed +20% +1? Too much inappropriate precision!
10%
Does this apply to cyclists as well?
Nope. Not in any way. As long as you are leg powered. If you go over twelve mph on an Ebike you will lose your car licence your Ebike and probably get done for no insurance. I can hit 30 on pedals no problem. Stupid country. Run by stupid people.
No
There will be more accidents, not less. When you're looking at the speedo to make sure you're not going over 20, you're not looking at the road.
hii my car speed is 40mph. but road speed limit is 20mph .now court is decision i dont know.( new driver)
What do you think
3 or 6 penality points ya license revoked ya speedawareness course ,this is my first mistake
You were twice the limit. That is usually an automatic ban.
30 m.p.h originates from the speed of running horses.
Will horse riders will be fined for speeding in 20 m.p.h areas?
Bikes can't be fined for speeding, only dangerouse riding. I wonder if the same would apply to a horse.
@@TheByard
Speeding causes death & serious injury regardless of transport mode.
Sometimes not every time. But I don't condone it, along with jumping red lights etc.@@danielrawlings8355
WHY DO PEOPLE STILL VOTE FOR LABOUR PARY IN WALES .
The only people who will be voting Labour now are the brain dead and wealthy elites from the Labour party. The ordinary people have had enough of the control freaks from the Labour Party. It's definitely time for a change and kick out the useless Labour Party.
Car gearboxes are not designed to stay for long in 3rd gear .. the bearings will wear out prematurely..
Lower gear pumps out more emissions. These alleged leaders who we allegedly vote into power in the illusion of choice are sick in the head
There is a reason that 56 mph is the otimum speed for fuel economy......20 is much worse than 30.
The Police don't enforce them, they take a lot of money to install including a traffic regulation order and they are an unrealistic expectation on the motorist. I fail to see how it will cut pollution. You will have to change down, it raises the revs.
I think it will lower pollution overall, but not by much. In the video the car was doing the same revs at 20 as at 30, due to use of a lower gear, so emissions will be very similar when running at a constant speed. This is ignoring any reduction in wind resistance at 20. There will be less acceleration overall at 20, so less emissions. Also particulate emissions from brake use will be lower at 20, due to less overall deceleration.
I'm not a fan of 20 limits on main roads, such at the one shown in the video, but there is a more of a case for them on housing estates and near schools. Most sensible drivers already slow down in those areas anyway. All drivers will have to suffer due to a few speeding idiots unfortunately.
Due to the increase in electric vehicles the the emissions will reduce anyway and as for safety maybe they should spend the money on educating people how to cross the road and cars travelling at 20 MPH will frustrate impatient drivers following them and may cause them to overtake dangerously
Spend the money on psychological tests on maniacs who insist on driving at 30 in a 20 zone ?
Sounds like the impatient drivers need educating too
Electric vehicles produce more emissions. Plus it is a thing with the British to make somebody wait for a little power trip. So "impatient" to one person is being held up by a bellend with nowhere to be to others.
@@nospoon4799 HUH ? YOU MAKE NO SENSE
@@robsurname4054 You just don't want to hear it. Electric vehicles produce more emissions and more dangerous pollution in their life time than Ic engines.
Drakeford should be on trial !
BTW. Try come to London and drive at 20mph with hundreds of traffic lights.People are furious.
Where are they making the savings, as what they are saying is pie in the sky! As you have pointed out they will be no saving in fuel due to the engine having to remain at the same revs as you have to change into a lower gear. Most vehicles will brake in far less distance than the quoted figures! Modern cars will stop in the length of themselves at 30 mph! The only way the councils might make money is if the install speed cameras all over the place and fine those who go over the limits!
Study by Transport Institute, Napier University.
They are making money out of the signage contracts. It amazes me that I have to explain this.
@@nospoon4799 It amazes me that you still don't understand that WE ARE MAKING SAVINGS DUE TO LESS ACCIDENTS AND CAR DAMAGE ETC ETC
@@robsurname4054 I don't have accidents and drive my car correctly so as not to damage it. So how are WE saving anything? You might be. Because you crash and damage your car through poor vehicle handling skills. I am not. No matter how much you shout. 🤣🤣
@@robsurname4054 Actually I remember backing into a post 15 years ago. I was going backwards at 5mph or less.. So I am not perfect.
Be more accidents folk looking at their sped all the time, the slower you go and the lower gear the more pollution you put out…it’s about getting folk off the road and fines for revenue generation.
Now do not forget the new members bill passed for an extra 36 member to the senedd at a cost of expanding the chamber of £8m and a cost to pay the 36 new members of £18m per year, as we got all this spare money laying around to do this then Wales must have no issues at all. With all the potholes filled in. So the police, firemen and ambulance service must be fully staffed and well-paid school and Hospitals building all UpToDate with no issues, All service working well with stores of salt grit for the winter due to start in two to three months.
Just pay-attention keep your eyes peeled and your reactions are quicker
Competency Test at age 70 then every 5 years - you can have a retest.
Get those dithering OAPs of our streets - that clears the roads, makes us greener and saves our children.
Get those madcap youngsters with cars full of vulnerable children off the streets! Leave the roads to sensible mature people.
'Nobody's doing 30, nobody'... I rest my case.
I wonder if they'll be attacked like the ULEZ cameras are???
my feeling is that the majority are being penalised for the minority of drivers who are inclined to speed, when motorists are sensible and abide by the laws then 30 is ok but this is abused so we are all now required to go slower.
1:17 so they say it will reduce emissions by changing the speed limit to 20mph from 30mph. Well here's a shocker for everyone that is a load of rubbish. Reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph increases emissions by 50%..................... YES 50%, not 0.5%, 50%
Where the evidence for that claim? I'm interested
@@kevinmee9546 think about it kevin, what happens to your car when you drop to 20mph from 30mph. Go out and check.
Bad driving has more to do with the issue here not speed, we see it all the time idiots over taking on blind corners or just simply crossing the white line to cut the corner with no concern for oncoming traffic and most have no knowledge on how to read the white lines warning you that a junction or side road is ahead. Money spent on a road safety advertising campaign refreshing and reminding people of the danger by not reading and using the road signs properly and higher fines with points for repeat offenders will create safer roads in my opinion.
20 mph do i agree hell no its a crawl i will gladly hold up everyone im in no rush if the emergency services are behind me i will still do 20 mph so i dont get caught by a nob head of a speed awareness officer holding a speed camera in front of me waiting and hoping me to speed in order to get his pay bonus i will drive at 20 mph and as i have a speed limiter installed on my vehicle i cant speed so welsh government its just gonna cost you more in some way or another like more pollution for lower gear driving im driving in 3rd gear engine revving its balls off do i care no about pollution hell no its your fault
We get what we accept.........where is the outrage ???
20 mph made for drunken cycles and drunken pedestrians
Its toooooooooooooooooo... are we nearly there yet?.... slow
I think that the less emissions comes from the fact that at 20 you are more likely to be at constant speed most of the time, avoiding the accelerations that waste fuel. Otherwise best mileage is usually between 30 and 55, depending on car and engine, if you are at constant speed; but the faster you go, the less likely you are.
By the way, to me is always strange seeing footage of vehicles driving on the "wrong" side of the road 😁
Since you're spending most of the fuel when you're stopping the car and then re-accelerating again to either 20 or 30, the savings that you hypothetically get by limiting the speed to 20 are negligible - in city rides, you anyway spend much more fuel because you need to start and stop.
Also, it's a bit dubious whether the 20 limit will result in less starting and stopping overall, and in less traffic jams - e.g. it might just decrease the vehicle flow at traffic lights, which will result in more starting and stopping.
@@EugenAntunGojks At least you don't have the acceleration from 20 to 30, may seems not a bit deal but multiplies for a lot of vehicles you are doing something. Accelerations lower your mileage by a lot. I'm just speculating the reasons not defending this decision, in my country speed limits signs are more of a decoration and nobody cares about them, unless there is a speed camera
There is no "wrong side of the road" you drive on the correct side for the country you are in or you'll be arrested.
@@Jamal_Tyrone I said "wrong" with quotes as a joke, because it is also the opposite of right. Right-left, right-wrong 🙂
@@luca6819 sorry, sarcasm not detected...
I live in Pontypool and a large part of my road is a single lane with no pavement. I have clocked cars doing 60mph. I would be happy with 30mph.Once it is reduced to 20mph, it will make no difference to the brain dead drivers speeding up and down my road.I am not a lover of speed bumps, but we really need something to slow the traffic down.
My auto gearbox 'hunts' between gears at 20mph. I'll have to do 17 to 18 mph. Sorry everyone !
Put it into manual mode and select 3rd/4th depending on how much torque you have.
Nope. I want to be awkward !@@reddragon1572
It will in effect create more accidents as drivers become more and more frustrated. Couple this with the stupid decision to give bicycles and pedestrians right of way over motor vehicles and you have a recipe for carnage. Not satisfied with this however roads are being narrowed everywhere to create even more hazards.
Amber is not red. It comes down to your logic your choice.
More pollution,loss revenue with delivery companies,,,,,,all for money,extra revenue
Ridiculous
Simple answer. Just ignore it.
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ok so you say lees accidents... lets just go at 5mph then s pid
We have to reduce speed .. as this guy said, everyone is breaking the speed limit... so we need to reduce the speed limit to INSIST that drivers reduce speed
Good discussion, but let's not forget that blanket 20 mph limits have been commonplace in Scotland for a decade or more, and many cities throughout Europe have had similar rules for a good while. Wales isn't some eccentric anomaly. There is another point to be made. Incidence of accidents is not a good measure. Some of the most dangerous roads have the fewest accidents. Pedestrians and cyclists avoid them altogether. Speeding traffic suppresses demand from vulnerable road users, so low speeds encourage walking and cycliing.
20mph is fast , no many atheles can achieve 20mph
Ha! Maybe so but getting overtaken by an 11 year on a bike is not fun!
You pulled that out of your arse. Most pro footbal and rugby players can run faster. Equates to 12+ seconds for 100m, taking acceleration into account. In others words, slow as fuck for a car with modern breaking technology. Past schools and built up areas, more than enough. Should be 15mph tbh. Anywhere else, nonsense.
No
The SAVING is £ 100 MILLION in the first year alone .. read up on the Transport Institute at Napier University
I find that unbelievable. But I am willing to be convinced. But a specific reference to a document is required, not just "read up on the Transport Institute at Napier University". That is just a completely useless statement, and imparts no information whatsoever. And some one else posting on this page says it going to cost £4 billion to change, so payback is 40 years, even if it's true!
@@edeledeledel5490 Reality is google the university's assessement. They figure that there will be a £100 million saving to Wales in the first year alone .. this takes into account the cost of hospital care, cost of deaths, loss of work, damage to vehicles and infrastructure .. emergency services costs etc etc etc...I'm sure you are old enough and wise enough to google and find the report for yourself, you do not need a baby bottle now do you ?
yeah but cyclists don,t have to abide by the 20 mph law this stinks !
It is about sharing space ... a reduction in speed makes it viable for pedestrians, children, cyclists to be in the space relatively safely and therefore will encourage motorists OFF THE ROAD which will benefit those motorists who have to be on the road
So they will be dealing with the huge amount of masonic nonces then? You know, the endemic establishment child abuse that goes on. Wouldn't that make it a safer country for the kiddies? The real problem for cyclists is a lot of people in Britain are psychotic lunatics who hate cyclists with a passion. Maybe deal with the amount of those around first.
I think this is great for increasing safety, 20mph statistically has a much lower fatality rate compared to 30mph, i've had friends die to car crashes and it's horrible, anything to increase safety, I agree with.
HOW ABOUT 5 MPH ?
@@brandonfromlondonuk3484 Sure.
@@rollermineclips8022 how about we just ban cars 🚗 you would like that wouldn't you 🤡 it's people like you that make me sick with your vegan beards , and cycling shorts ! I drive everywhere at 35 - 40 mph and will continue to do so
Man with a red flag walking in front of each vehicle; that'll do it. And think of what it will do for unemployment figures as well!
If you cant drive safely at 30 you shouldn't have a car licence. Further you shouldn't expect the entire country to pander to your skill issues. I have driven for 30 years. I have never had an accident or points, I have been pulled twice, once for a defective brake light and once just cause the copper felt like doing it.
agree with everything
This is no good if you drive for a living
tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2018/june/delivering-the-next-generation-of-urban-traffic-management
What the f*ck has that paper got to do with 20 MPH speed limits in urban environments? And bespoke software development for specific scenarios is fraught with development delays, ballooning costs, expensive changes, and being totally unfit for purpose and a complete waste of money. See Post Office s/w causing hundreds of subpostmasters to be wrongly convicted of fraud, the huge test and trace failure during COVID, several other NHS s/w fiascos, and others too numerous to mention, in many different technical fields. What makes you think Siemens are going to get it anywhere near right, considering Civil Servants are going to be involved in the contracts? TfL are just going to get screwed for millions, if not tens of millions, or even more.