Regarding the list of 22:00, it would be nice to know when the first time the word 'Quran' is used in text. I would guess that's earlier, otherwise it would have been included.
Don't twist the verses of Quran and Hadith Mr if we don't do this to you religion u don't have any right to play with our religion with jealous, hatred against Truth. And here for you Sahih Bukhari 4986 Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar. From the above Hadith it is clearly mentioned Quran was put into form of a book at the time of First Claipha and companion of Prophet Abu Bakr so it was always completed and protected beacuse Zaid R. A umar and Abu Bakr R.A where all prophet saw companion and they memorized Quran it and gathered it word by word and put into original form
Just watched: Islam, the untold story, by Tom Holland. Bottom line is that it supports the view that “the Arab empire created Islam not that Islam created the Arab empire.” You can find it on you tube. One site, Odon Lafontaine, has 1.4M views.
The Quran says the Qibla changed in 624 during Mohammed's time. Archaeology says the Qibla changed 706 and 727 and after. This suggests that part of the Quran could not have been from Mohammed's time, or we are talking about an entirely separate and forgotten era of change to the Qibla. But why would this change happen in the 8th century? It must have something to do with the wars being fought.
I love all Muslim brothers and sisters. Come on home to Jesus! PRINCE OF PEACE! KING OF KINGS! LORD OF LORDS! NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES! THE MOST PEACEFUL! THE MOST GRACIOUS! THE KINDEST TO MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN!
it can be frustrated to speak to Muslims about Jesus because they have Lied to them so much about the truth of the new testament but with Love and compassion and by binding the demons of Islam we can get true them in Faith in Jesus name.
@@abj136 Loving them does not mean to let them kill you. We should ban all muslims' immigration, they have their own countries which they turned into islamic shitholes. Now they come to do the same with our countries.
🤣😂😂🤣. I agree with you everything he (Jay) said can be "VERIFIED". So how about you start googling and investigating for yourself not what you were taught by generations of lies and morons like Farid and Mimi Hijab التكرار يعلم الحمار
@@shifty358 this guy lied saying there’s eyewitness accounts of Jesus completely proven false. Paul and Josephus are as close as it gets and neither are eyewitness.
Dear muslim brothers and sisters I know this ball of truth is hard to swallow. We pray that you take your time and come to Christ. Islam has never stood the test of truth.
Yes, uploaded with their permission. People were asking Jay to upload his newest material on the subject, as the last time he spoke on this issue was with Al fadi in May 2018, nearly 2 years ago. These 2 episodes are his newest material on the subject.
@@pfanderfilms They are great lectures, all of them. But I've already watched them on the kt channel. Actually few times already, so I'll wait a while before I come back and watch them again.
Lol I can't help but think how even Moses has better debating skills than al Lah. al Lah says Muslims should pray 50 times a day but Moses is the one that convinced al Lah to bring the prayers down to 5. Muslims thus should thank Moses cause if it weren't for him, they'd have their face planted in the ground 24/7! 😂😂😭🙈
Actually, olives do grow in northern Saudi Arabia, so it's not quite just close to the Mediterranean that they can be found (today anyway, as they may use modern agricultural techniques).
Historically, including in the 7th century, only around the Mediterranean would you find Olive trees. Today they are grown all over the world using modern agricultural techniques, as you note.
Al Bukhari was A Persian born in Uzbekistan during Abbasid Caliphate --- perfect and Amazing. Read to learn Read not to memorize A million can memorize the same thoughts of one person.
Good presentation but why are the maps described as 7th, 8th century AD - they are nothing of the sort! Jau keeps making that mistake that can only detract from his message.
2:27 this is absolutely incorrect. Christianity has *never* been based on the authority of a book. Christ did not give us a book. He gave us the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church gave us the book, nearly 4 centuries after Pentecost. How can Christianity be based on a book when the majority of the New Testament was written to *apostolic churches that already existed and were worshipping Christ without a book*? Christianity is based on the revelation of God as Holy Trinity through the life and teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ. The writings came later. Sola Scriptura is idolatry where a man worships his opinion as divine. Christ taught us to deny ourselves and follow Him, not to pick up a book and make up our own religion and call it our "personal relationship with Jesus". In theory, Sola Scriptura is the Bible as the final authority, but in practice, there only exists "Sola my-own-personal-private-interpretation-of-Scriptura". If the the protestant leaders had all agreed about Scripture, they would have had a point. The fact that none of them ultimately agreed as to what the Christian faith even is, and each made up his own new religion, is proof enough that the so-called "reformation" (even though none of them reformed anything, but made up something new) was a man-made failure based on the opinions of fallen men, not the Holy Spirit.
he talked about islamic belief, not christianity. christianity has different views about prophet and scripture. according to traditional islamic view, muhammad was indeed given a book by God, and according to quran, Jesus was also given a book by God.
These people think that Islam is a helpless orphan and that they are expert in the history of Islam even if they are the most ignorant among the foolish people.
@Dr.JAY What a "coincidence", that in southern Iraq, where the seperatist Lakhmids ruled, that there is the city HIRA. Isn't it? I bet there is a cave in this city. And - the next coincidence - this capital of the Lakhmids was conquered by the Mohammadans already in 633AD! ;-)
Ahhhh, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, to name a few. Now can you tell me who compiled the Qur'an we have today? But that isn't even the theme of this video :-)
@luck pon No Muslim will be able to answer this question either. According to the Islamic scriptures Abdullah was obviously NOT Muhammad's father, because he died four years before Muhammad was born. But as always, Muslims have answers to this, no matter how stupid they are. Look what Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the Mufti of al-Azhar, surely the highest Islamic scholar in Egypt, said in one of his videos about Mudatul-alhami fi al’islam (duration of the woman's pregnancy in Islam)... “The period of being pregnant in Islam is four years”. In other places he even talks about the fact that in Islam a woman can be pregnant for 7 years!!! file:///E:/ALL%20DOWNLOADS%20020922019/YASMIN_QARDAWI.pdf It is much more likely that Waraqa ibn Nawfal was Muhammad's real father, who also appointed him a "prophet". There are many reasons for this fact. I am also and again very impressed by Islamic science, which makes the scientists of the 21st century completely superfluous. So you can learn interesting facts by listening to the speech of an Islamic sheikh with PhD. So that all MUST be true! :-) Nevertheless, I have decided never to become pregnant myself under these circumstances! :-)
I was so hoping that the part after the 10 minute break would be uploaded now as well, I was listening to this while doing something and it was helping the time fly hearing all this interesting stuff lol
Soon the world will know The Truth about Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Almighty. Soon the world will know The Truth about Rassoulloullaah ❤ ❤ ❤ Soon the world will know Islaam is The Only Truth. The Time is near.
@The Astronomer I do not fallow manmade sources. I only follow and believe The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Most Loving. The add things to The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Most Merciful. The Time is near.
Do It Different , I’m busy too. The problem with you pointing to the Quran is that it’s not a reliable source for its own defence because it’s a logical fallacy. You have to rely on outside sources to validate the Quran. Considering how many times it’s been amalgamated and the other versions have been destroyed, and the current version is from 1922, I don’t trust it. Last final point. Look up the founding of LDL (mormons). Joseph Smith claimed to get revelations from god that only he could see. How his revelations any different then Mohammed? Why is Joseph Smith wrong and Mohammed right? Please stay safe in these crazy times. And keep an open mind.
Do It Different , sorry mate, the earliest Qurans only have 40 surahs. Where’s the rest of the verses? Where’s the carbon dating on that claimed evidence. 1300 years ago still puts the manuscripts 200 years after Mohammed died. I know that this must be hard for you to hear that the word of god was not revealed to an illiterate man in a cave who thought he was demon possessed. Sorry that social and religious pressures have indoctrinated you to not question the foundations of your faith. Please keep searching for the truth and keep an open mind.
Do It Different My argument is, Islam is a cult. If you do a little research on cults you’ll notice a pattern of behaviour that is clear to see in Islam. 1- cults demand unquestionable loyalty 2- cults have punishments for leaving the cult 3-cults don’t allow for question the teaching of the leader. 4-cults demand memorizing and repeating of rules and expectations. 5-cults use social pressure from adherents to enforce rules and discipline wayward members. 6-true believers in the cult are the least able to see the fact that it’s a cult. Sorry mate , if it looks like a cult and acts like a cult.
Do It Different I read it and it’s garbage. The verses themselves are vague at best, mistranslated, and even out of context. You’re starting position is wrong. Firstly, there’s no such thing a scientific miracle. Those are two very different tracks of thought. A miracle is something that cannot be explained through natural forces or logic, such as cancer going into remission without the patient going in for treatment or changing behaviours. Science is the process of explaining natural events through logic reason and replicated results. There were civilizations long before Mohammed. Rome has midwives even. The formation of babies was even talked about in the book of psalms. So there’s no discovery on Mohammed’s part. We both know about the Silk Road. In fact one of the Muslim apologists claims is that there was massive trade that had to go through Muslim held territory. If the only miracle is that Mohammed was illiterate then that’s the problem. I had an illiterate grandmother, she was the wisest person I know. Was she a prophet? Hardly, but she did have wisdom beyond books of knowledge. Logic and reason my friend. Mohammed wasn’t a prophet. He wasn’t even a good man. Be careful not to mix up your good nature and kindness as though it’s because you’re following Mohammed.
well paul wasn't actually an eye witnesses... he became a disciple after the resurrection thus all that Paul is saying he learned it from others be that from apostles or others... he might have been witness of few events or preaches, but nothing more... so Luc is the more remote gospel of the 4... actually the gospel of thomas would be more closer, since he was an apostle, but that's assuming it's ain't a pseudepigraph.
@@George-iv1hi I agree. It's from hell itself. Did you watch the video by Islam Critiqued "Christians on hadj"? Even the very gates of hell are not able to keep Jesus out. Hallelujah
You are wrong in Basics: Present Christianity is based on Jesus. But Islam is never based on Muhammad (pbuh). Muhammad was a normal human on whom revelation came; that is all --- he was not the greatest Prophet; he was the last Prophet. Muhammad (pbuh) burned his talks (Hadith) and the Quran does not talks much about him Christianity is Jesus but Islam is not Muhammad Islam is in the Quran, and only in the Quran --- Early Righteous Muslims did not used to refer him; it was forbidden to refer Hadith even; so you are not getting his trace in the early Islam
You are still not getting the msg of the gospel. All books points to Jesus and Jesus is the. Message. He is the WORD of God.... The LIVING WORD OF THE LIVING GOD.! He Himself is peace, love and mercy i.e. The face of God. That is why we are not confused when we are taught Gid is love mercy firgiveness compassion. We are told to do the same and live a life pleasing to God. We are not taught one and then told to do another.!
@@marcuslow1386 The concept needs a lot of knowledge and thought to remain in monotheism, thus not fit for commoners busy in running families, specially for women and children. So, adopt the Straight Path
Jay is a legend if you want to learn the true history of Islam not the spoon fed history. History of Islam was written over hundreds of years by many different people. The Night Journey is an impossibility but yet is fundamental to Islamic belief. Mo flew to multiple heavens and between Mosques . The one mosque didn't even exist (Al Aqsa). Find out for yourself to learn.
Just because you have a written account of the biography of Jesus shortly after his passing, doesn't mean that its not a fabrication or a Redaction as you have ascribed to Prophet Muhammad biography. The Historical Creed of Nica around 325 AD establishes the Divinity of Christ under the Emperor Constantine. Prior to the Creed, it was believed that Jesus was a Prophet like Muhammad. Others believed that he had 2 natures, the Father (God) and he the Son. Still others believed in a 3rd form of divinity called the Holy Ghost. So it took more than 300 years to decide what Christ's true identity was. The ruler Constantine made it official that Christ was both man and God, the Son of God along with a 3rd component, the Holy Ghost. Thus the Trinitarian doctrine became official in Christianity. All other believes that didn't coincide with The Trinity was eradicated or suppressed. Many Christians during the period who held to the old believe that Jesus was a Prophet were persecuted and many cases killed or executed for their beliefs. So it sounds like the life and works of both Muhammad and Christ had new ideas added to them with time! So which do we follow or what do we follow, the Quran or the Bible cause its seems like the handiworks of man is on them both!!!
This history should be in every schools... it is the same fairy story as slaves in ancient Egipt built piramids or that Slovans came to Balcan in 6th centuries... or islam is religion of peace....
😂 2:31 he said christian understand their religion better than everybody else but yet he believes to understand Islam better than all Muslims since generations.... Woww
All this information we have about Yahushua Ha Mashiach from Hebraic men who were his apostles and the professing world still believes in a polytheistic Platonic based triune god, a metaphysical god-man messiah, an independent spirit being called the holy ghost along with a go-to-heaven-when-you-die as a disembodied spirit gospel instead of the strict Hebraic monotheistic belief in a single, supreme individual GOD called Yahuwah, the Spirit of GOD, which Hebrews understood was the power and presence of GOD working in and through creation to accomplish His logos/plans for His creation, along with His uniquely created fully human son who was called the son of the Most High because of his unique creation in the womb of Mary by the power of GOD's creative Spirit and the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of GOD with himself as Yahuwah GOD's anointed and exalted King of kings and Lord of lords which Yahushua came preaching and teaching as found in Matthew 4:17 and Mark 1:14-15. If Mr. Smith would spend as much time studying his own belief system from the Hebrew perspective the were written instead of the Platonic, Greek, Hellenistic polytheistic Gnostic beliefs he's marred in, along with history, then would do well, because if he stays in this path, he is no better than the people he is trying to reprove as his pride is no better than theirs.
lol, are you a muslim? if so, then your prophet must have had a greek polytheistic platonic influence from Jibril, since the qur'an is pretty clear on Who the Messiah is and that He was born from a virgin. We understand that you want to deflect the topic tho. Truth hurts. And as a devout muslim you close with an ad-hominem, which never, ever has contributed to an argument. It is basically an admission of defeat and a result of cognitive dissonance, coming to terms with sound arguments and evidence. We respect answers, not deflection and ad-hominems. That works on children, not on men. Maybe the muslims will learn someday...
Islam was the religion of nomads and the barbaric rulers of the 6th & 7th-century rulers, Initially, it was just a branch of Arab Christianity, and then it took and much bigger step to go further and entirely alienate from Christianity in the 8th to 9 century. The crusade then gave it a more profound identity.
We don't know shit about Jesus! 60 years later is as bad as 200. And the fact that it was was not written in the same language that Jesus talked, says it all!
Remember by seventh century recording means, linguistic abilities developed much better to present accurate and authentic belief system while it doesn't measure up anywhere near Bible 600 years older but technically sound
@@pfanderfilms you guys are just not ready to accept the truth. We don't even care no more about people like you. I am just shocked to see that you guys care that much about Islam. Mind your own business pray to your own God. We Muslims don't have programs trying to prove Christianity wrong. We don't have to fight with Christians even I have 6 Christian friends For the past 11 years. We also believe that one day Hazrat Issah (Jesus) will come back. But you guys think that Jesus is son of God and we think Jesus is prophet of God
@Qui Creva Sp hahahahhah You have never read Quran. And here you are talking shit when you don't know anything. I have read Quran I've never seen anywhere in Quran where it denigrate Christianity and Judaism
All non muslims are blind they can not see and understand truth. Allah (God) said in Quran this is my duty to tell you all truth becouse you humans will not blame me in day of judgement . O Allah we don't that why we did sins. My brother this is your duty to read and understand What Allah said. Quran is last version of book from Allah becouse every time human always agenst message of allah.
It was not written down so it never existed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 classic. The Romans nor the Persians didn't write anything on getting their ass kicked out of their 6000yrs old empires! Nothing was written so it all lies!
Romans meticulously recorded defeats in order to learn from them. There is an entire principle of historical study known as the "principle of embarrassment" where it is more likely that events took place as described when they are embarrassing for the ones recording the events.
@@Randomtube_94 listen I understand when you look through the lens of the other it creates sub-consciousness of bias and you don't even realize it and nor do you want to
Do It Different . Typical. “I can proof this wrong”. So go ahead. “No, you first show your proof” If your proof is so strong, then you do not need the critique before you can deliver your proof. Your facts must be able to stand on its own. Please provide it, we are waiting.
Anyone that knows anything about Islam and how the Quran came about would know that it was a book that was memorized letter by letter the very word itself means to recite, and when they did write it down it's was only do to those we look at as being hufadh(those who memorized the Quran) and that's what he's referencing the written parts and not those who memorized the Quran at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). This man is a LIAR
What did they memorize if there was no Qur'an around to memorize? Where is your proof that they memorized anything? Everything you are saying comes from traditions written 200 year too late.
are you referring to the verses that were eaten by the sheep? are you referring to the verses that were forgotten? burned? you statement is very vapid and poltroon! Try again.
@@pfanderfilms this man is a Liar, he knows that the people will just look into what he said to be a lie. Now for the record the Quran was compiled doing the time of Abu Bakr. The Quran was compiled into a book in the time of the first caliph, Abu Bakr.
Jay is born to do this. Much love!
I realized too! Nobody could have done what Jay has done
Fascinating and brilliant and what a likeable man..
You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free!
Put this on the Jay Show as well ❤️U brother
Dr Smith this is total annihilation with no mercy.
Islam deserves all of it, this filthy lie must be annihilated.
Excellent presentation by Dr Smith, keep up the good work and provide more oooo - tu-tu discoveries
Regarding the list of 22:00, it would be nice to know when the first time the word 'Quran' is used in text. I would guess that's earlier, otherwise it would have been included.
History and Logical reasoning
destroys Islam
and Internet is Islams greatest Nightmare😅
They overlooked Internet. Now with it we can expose all muslims' lies.
Revisionism is hurting islam big time
ISLAMIC IS SATANIC
MUHAMMAD IS SATAN
ISLAM NOT RELIGION
Quran written after 200 years of Mohmmad's death.
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Yes, islam is one big fat lie.
ISLAMIC IS SATANIC
@Qui Creva Sp That is why it is preserved and unchanged.
@@Get_FREE_ROBUX_655 Islam is pure paganism
Don't twist the verses of Quran and Hadith Mr if we don't do this to you religion u don't have any right to play with our religion with jealous, hatred against Truth.
And here for you Sahih Bukhari 4986
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.
From the above Hadith it is clearly mentioned Quran was put into form of a book at the time of First Claipha and companion of Prophet Abu Bakr so it was always completed and protected beacuse Zaid R.
A umar and Abu Bakr R.A where all prophet saw companion and they memorized Quran it and gathered it word by word and put into original form
I liked the other Historical Critique videos (6 parts). But this one of course too
Great work. Lots of succes.
Just watched: Islam, the untold story, by Tom Holland. Bottom line is that it supports the view that “the Arab empire created Islam not that Islam created the Arab empire.” You can find it on you tube. One site, Odon Lafontaine, has 1.4M views.
5:20 Ali was his nephew and son in law
I love your videos Jay keep up God`s work.
The Quran says the Qibla changed in 624 during Mohammed's time. Archaeology says the Qibla changed 706 and 727 and after. This suggests that part of the Quran could not have been from Mohammed's time, or we are talking about an entirely separate and forgotten era of change to the Qibla. But why would this change happen in the 8th century? It must have something to do with the wars being fought.
That will all be answered in the next video!
I can’t find part 2. Is it available?
It's just been put up!
PfanderFilms thank you. I just watched it. 👍🏻👍🏻
I love all Muslim brothers and sisters. Come on home to Jesus!
PRINCE OF PEACE!
KING OF KINGS!
LORD OF LORDS!
NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES!
THE MOST PEACEFUL!
THE MOST GRACIOUS!
THE KINDEST TO MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN!
it can be frustrated to speak to Muslims about Jesus because they have Lied to them so much about the truth of the new testament but with Love and compassion and by binding the demons of Islam we can get true them in Faith in Jesus name.
@The Thinking Homo Sapien Jesus said, love your enemies and pray for those who spitefully use you.
@@abj136 Loving them does not mean to let them kill you. We should ban all muslims' immigration, they have their own countries which they turned into islamic shitholes. Now they come to do the same with our countries.
We are called to love all. We are made in his image even if we choose to reject the truth and hate. We do this because we follow Jesus’ example.
@The Thinking Homo Sapien Don't give up on them! They're not the only ones who are taught to hate me... Leftist SJW's are taught to hate Jesus, too.
God bless you Jay. You are light in darkness.
That explanation points out the importance of Ezion-Geber sea port in one side, and Egypt at the other side in the trade route
Tell us again how many languages Patricia Crone speaks?
Thank You Jay Smith for this extremely valuable dissertation and lesson🙏🏽
Jay is ignorant about Islam, all what he said can be verified by a Google search
🤣😂😂🤣. I agree with you everything he (Jay) said can be "VERIFIED". So how about you start googling and investigating for yourself not what you were taught by generations of lies and morons like Farid and Mimi Hijab
التكرار يعلم الحمار
Sorry I listen to the presentation and it full of lies
@@shifty358 this guy lied saying there’s eyewitness accounts of Jesus completely proven false. Paul and Josephus are as close as it gets and neither are eyewitness.
@@rashidsavage6806 You are ignorant of your own religion..
Can he comment on the relationship with Islam and Ethiopia
Dear muslim brothers and sisters I know this ball of truth is hard to swallow. We pray that you take your time and come to Christ. Islam has never stood the test of truth.
Great work, great research, thanks 🙏
Is this the same lecture already published on the kt channel?
Yes, uploaded with their permission. People were asking Jay to upload his newest material on the subject, as the last time he spoke on this issue was with Al fadi in May 2018, nearly 2 years ago. These 2 episodes are his newest material on the subject.
@@pfanderfilms They are great lectures, all of them. But I've already watched them on the kt channel.
Actually few times already, so I'll wait a while before I come back and watch them again.
Lol I can't help but think how even Moses has better debating skills than al Lah. al Lah says Muslims should pray 50 times a day but Moses is the one that convinced al Lah to bring the prayers down to 5.
Muslims thus should thank Moses cause if it weren't for him, they'd have their face planted in the ground 24/7! 😂😂😭🙈
Actually, olives do grow in northern Saudi Arabia, so it's not quite just close to the Mediterranean that they can be found (today anyway, as they may use modern agricultural techniques).
Historically, including in the 7th century, only around the Mediterranean would you find Olive trees. Today they are grown all over the world using modern agricultural techniques, as you note.
Al Bukhari was A Persian born in Uzbekistan during Abbasid Caliphate --- perfect and Amazing.
Read to learn
Read not to memorize
A million can memorize the same thoughts of one person.
Good presentation but why are the maps described as 7th, 8th century AD - they are nothing of the sort! Jau keeps making that mistake that can only detract from his message.
Is there anywhere that these resources are available Jay? ie the slides and maps etc. Fascinating stuff btw and thanks
Ibn Abi Kabsha. And kibla. It looks that there is some link in both.
The Mecca’s “big ben” clock tower has a carving of Moon symbol on the top of the tower as if shows us their glorification
2:27 this is absolutely incorrect. Christianity has *never* been based on the authority of a book. Christ did not give us a book. He gave us the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church gave us the book, nearly 4 centuries after Pentecost. How can Christianity be based on a book when the majority of the New Testament was written to *apostolic churches that already existed and were worshipping Christ without a book*? Christianity is based on the revelation of God as Holy Trinity through the life and teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ. The writings came later. Sola Scriptura is idolatry where a man worships his opinion as divine. Christ taught us to deny ourselves and follow Him, not to pick up a book and make up our own religion and call it our "personal relationship with Jesus". In theory, Sola Scriptura is the Bible as the final authority, but in practice, there only exists "Sola my-own-personal-private-interpretation-of-Scriptura". If the the protestant leaders had all agreed about Scripture, they would have had a point. The fact that none of them ultimately agreed as to what the Christian faith even is, and each made up his own new religion, is proof enough that the so-called "reformation" (even though none of them reformed anything, but made up something new) was a man-made failure based on the opinions of fallen men, not the Holy Spirit.
he talked about islamic belief, not christianity. christianity has different views about prophet and scripture. according to traditional islamic view, muhammad was indeed given a book by God, and according to quran, Jesus was also given a book by God.
Thank you dr. Jay!!
Confused Jay ?
These people think that Islam is a helpless orphan and that they are expert in the history of Islam even if they are the most ignorant among the foolish people.
@Dr.JAY What a "coincidence", that in southern Iraq, where the seperatist Lakhmids ruled, that there is the city HIRA. Isn't it? I bet there is a cave in this city. And - the next coincidence - this capital of the Lakhmids was conquered by the Mohammadans already in 633AD! ;-)
Quran . Alhamdulillah
What is the name of those who compiled the Bible their whole full names and the history of those who complied the Bible
Ahhhh, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, to name a few. Now can you tell me who compiled the Qur'an we have today? But that isn't even the theme of this video :-)
@@pfanderfilms I doubt very much that there is even a halfway intelligent answer to your last question. :-)
@luck pon No Muslim will be able to answer this question either.
According to the Islamic scriptures Abdullah was obviously NOT Muhammad's father, because he died four years before Muhammad was born.
But as always, Muslims have answers to this, no matter how stupid they are. Look what Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the Mufti of al-Azhar, surely the highest Islamic scholar in Egypt, said in one of his videos about Mudatul-alhami fi al’islam (duration of the woman's pregnancy in Islam)...
“The period of being pregnant in Islam is four years”.
In other places he even talks about the fact that in Islam a woman can be pregnant for 7 years!!!
file:///E:/ALL%20DOWNLOADS%20020922019/YASMIN_QARDAWI.pdf
It is much more likely that Waraqa ibn Nawfal was Muhammad's real father, who also appointed him a "prophet". There are many reasons for this fact.
I am also and again very impressed by Islamic science, which makes the scientists of the 21st century completely superfluous. So you can learn interesting facts by listening to the speech of an Islamic sheikh with PhD. So that all MUST be true! :-) Nevertheless, I have decided never to become pregnant myself under these circumstances! :-)
@Qui Creva Sp Who are you talking to?
Hopefully not to me, because I agree with you on every point.
pope serisius the 3rd is the one who put the Bible together and said no books shall be added no books shall be taken away
Mohammed was not his name. It was a title.
And, several warlords in that era could have had the title Muhammed [Praised One].
Oh🙄🥴 now it is a title... 🥴😩😖😃😃😃😃😃 .... I feel sory for muslims... truth is your wickness...
But ...man... that muhammad is a title?!?!🤣😂😜😛🥳🙈🙉🙊😀😀😀😀😀
I was so hoping that the part after the 10 minute break would be uploaded now as well, I was listening to this while doing something and it was helping the time fly hearing all this interesting stuff lol
This episode is marked as "part one", maybe part two will be uploaded soon.
I'm looking forward to it, too.
Part 2 will be uploaded in a few days. These will be followed by his lecture on the Historical problems with the Qur'an. So, keep this space...
Luke and Acts depends on Josephus so can't be 50-60 but at least 50 years later
Soon the world will know The Truth about Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Almighty. Soon the world will know The Truth about Rassoulloullaah ❤ ❤ ❤
Soon the world will know Islaam is The Only Truth. The Time is near.
@The Astronomer
I do not fallow manmade sources. I only follow and believe The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Most Loving. The add things to The Qo'raan The Perfect Word of Allaah ❤ ❤ ❤ The Most Merciful. The Time is near.
Rubbish
4:54 Quran was written on leaves. It was not written on bones or stones.
You do know that leaves are a lot more perishable than bones or stones, proving that it must have perished with the leaves, I'm guessing.
Do It Different , I’m busy too. The problem with you pointing to the Quran is that it’s not a reliable source for its own defence because it’s a logical fallacy. You have to rely on outside sources to validate the Quran. Considering how many times it’s been amalgamated and the other versions have been destroyed, and the current version is from 1922, I don’t trust it. Last final point. Look up the founding of LDL (mormons). Joseph Smith claimed to get revelations from god that only he could see. How his revelations any different then Mohammed? Why is Joseph Smith wrong and Mohammed right? Please stay safe in these crazy times. And keep an open mind.
Do It Different , sorry mate, the earliest Qurans only have 40 surahs. Where’s the rest of the verses? Where’s the carbon dating on that claimed evidence. 1300 years ago still puts the manuscripts 200 years after Mohammed died.
I know that this must be hard for you to hear that the word of god was not revealed to an illiterate man in a cave who thought he was demon possessed. Sorry that social and religious pressures have indoctrinated you to not question the foundations of your faith. Please keep searching for the truth and keep an open mind.
Do It Different
My argument is, Islam is a cult.
If you do a little research on cults you’ll notice a pattern of behaviour that is clear to see in Islam.
1- cults demand unquestionable loyalty
2- cults have punishments for leaving the cult
3-cults don’t allow for question the teaching of the leader.
4-cults demand memorizing and repeating of rules and expectations.
5-cults use social pressure from adherents to enforce rules and discipline wayward members.
6-true believers in the cult are the least able to see the fact that it’s a cult.
Sorry mate , if it looks like a cult and acts like a cult.
Do It Different
I read it and it’s garbage. The verses themselves are vague at best, mistranslated, and even out of context. You’re starting position is wrong. Firstly, there’s no such thing a scientific miracle. Those are two very different tracks of thought. A miracle is something that cannot be explained through natural forces or logic, such as cancer going into remission without the patient going in for treatment or changing behaviours. Science is the process of explaining natural events through logic reason and replicated results. There were civilizations long before Mohammed. Rome has midwives even. The formation of babies was even talked about in the book of psalms. So there’s no discovery on Mohammed’s part. We both know about the Silk Road. In fact one of the Muslim apologists claims is that there was massive trade that had to go through Muslim held territory. If the only miracle is that Mohammed was illiterate then that’s the problem. I had an illiterate grandmother, she was the wisest person I know. Was she a prophet? Hardly, but she did have wisdom beyond books of knowledge.
Logic and reason my friend. Mohammed wasn’t a prophet. He wasn’t even a good man.
Be careful not to mix up your good nature and kindness as though it’s because you’re following Mohammed.
Muslim : alalalalal
Jay : Uhh tutututu
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@@yakovmatityahu hahahaha
This one is really funny 😄
well paul wasn't actually an eye witnesses... he became a disciple after the resurrection thus all that Paul is saying he learned it from others be that from apostles or others... he might have been witness of few events or preaches, but nothing more...
so Luc is the more remote gospel of the 4... actually the gospel of thomas would be more closer, since he was an apostle, but that's assuming it's ain't a pseudepigraph.
What a comedy😂😂 religion
Exactly.
It's satanic satire
@@SaintOtter But people are being killed, so it is no way funny.
@@George-iv1hi I agree. It's from hell itself.
Did you watch the video by Islam Critiqued "Christians on hadj"?
Even the very gates of hell are not able to keep Jesus out.
Hallelujah
@@SaintOtter I deal with islam for 30 years, I know all of it too well...
You are wrong in Basics:
Present Christianity is based on Jesus. But Islam is never based on Muhammad (pbuh).
Muhammad was a normal human on whom revelation came; that is all --- he was not the greatest Prophet; he was the last Prophet.
Muhammad (pbuh) burned his talks (Hadith) and the Quran does not talks much about him
Christianity is Jesus but Islam is not Muhammad
Islam is in the Quran, and only in the Quran --- Early Righteous Muslims did not used to refer him; it was forbidden to refer Hadith even; so you are not getting his trace in the early Islam
You are still not getting the msg of the gospel. All books points to Jesus and Jesus is the. Message. He is the WORD of God.... The LIVING WORD OF THE LIVING GOD.!
He Himself is peace, love and mercy i.e. The face of God.
That is why we are not confused when we are taught Gid is love mercy firgiveness compassion. We are told to do the same and live a life pleasing to God.
We are not taught one and then told to do another.!
@@marcuslow1386 The concept needs a lot of knowledge and thought to remain in monotheism, thus not fit for commoners busy in running families, specially for women and children. So, adopt the Straight Path
Jay, they have flying carpet. Remember solaman story in koran. 😋😋😋😺😺😸😸😸😹😹😹😹😉😀😁😁😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
200 Years Gap: 'get out of the personality; the important is Quran'
Jay is a legend if you want to learn the true history of Islam not the spoon fed history. History of Islam was written over hundreds of years by many different people. The Night Journey is an impossibility but yet is fundamental to Islamic belief. Mo flew to multiple heavens and between Mosques . The one mosque didn't even exist (Al Aqsa). Find out for yourself to learn.
Just because you have a written account of the biography of Jesus shortly after his passing, doesn't mean that its not a fabrication or a Redaction as you have ascribed to Prophet Muhammad biography. The Historical Creed of Nica around 325 AD establishes the Divinity of Christ under the Emperor Constantine. Prior to the Creed, it was believed that Jesus was a Prophet like Muhammad. Others believed that he had 2 natures, the Father (God) and he the Son. Still others believed in a 3rd form of divinity called the Holy Ghost. So it took more than 300 years to decide what Christ's true identity was. The ruler Constantine made it official that Christ was both man and God, the Son of God along with a 3rd component, the Holy Ghost. Thus the Trinitarian doctrine became official in Christianity. All other believes that didn't coincide with The Trinity was eradicated or suppressed. Many Christians during the period who held to the old believe that Jesus was a Prophet were persecuted and many cases killed or executed for their beliefs. So it sounds like the life and works of both Muhammad and Christ had new ideas added to them with time! So which do we follow or what do we follow, the Quran or the Bible cause its seems like the handiworks of man is on them both!!!
same on you?
This history should be in every schools... it is the same fairy story as slaves in ancient Egipt built piramids or that Slovans came to Balcan in 6th centuries... or islam is religion of peace....
😂 2:31 he said christian understand their religion better than everybody else but yet he believes to understand Islam better than all Muslims since generations....
Woww
why dont u worry about ur cross ankh that exist egyptian symbol.
WHAT???
Nobody wrote anything about Jesus while he was alive!!
What kind of a "DR." is this Jay?
God bless you brother
Good work
Prices tha lord
Amen
Dr stef keris historian do check him out and give a rebuttal
All this information we have about Yahushua Ha Mashiach from Hebraic men who were his apostles and the professing world still believes in a polytheistic Platonic based triune god, a metaphysical god-man messiah, an independent spirit being called the holy ghost along with a go-to-heaven-when-you-die as a disembodied spirit gospel instead of the strict Hebraic monotheistic belief in a single, supreme individual GOD called Yahuwah, the Spirit of GOD, which Hebrews understood was the power and presence of GOD working in and through creation to accomplish His logos/plans for His creation, along with His uniquely created fully human son who was called the son of the Most High because of his unique creation in the womb of Mary by the power of GOD's creative Spirit and the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of GOD with himself as Yahuwah GOD's anointed and exalted King of kings and Lord of lords which Yahushua came preaching and teaching as found in Matthew 4:17 and Mark 1:14-15.
If Mr. Smith would spend as much time studying his own belief system from the Hebrew perspective the were written instead of the Platonic, Greek, Hellenistic polytheistic Gnostic beliefs he's marred in, along with history, then would do well, because if he stays in this path, he is no better than the people he is trying to reprove as his pride is no better than theirs.
lol, are you a muslim?
if so, then your prophet must have had a greek polytheistic platonic influence from Jibril, since the qur'an is pretty clear on Who the Messiah is and that He was born from a virgin.
We understand that you want to deflect the topic tho. Truth hurts.
And as a devout muslim you close with an ad-hominem, which never, ever has contributed to an argument. It is basically an admission of defeat and a result of cognitive dissonance, coming to terms with sound arguments and evidence.
We respect answers, not deflection and ad-hominems. That works on children, not on men.
Maybe the muslims will learn someday...
200 years after the facts so Muslims put all kinds of spices and created Islam 😜
Liar, all you have to do is read www.learnreligions.com/compilation-of-the-quran-2004545
,@@rashidsavage6806 There is no evidence of the story told in the link you posted. That story is being disputed by historical evidence.
Ok This Almost this comment section is kinda racist
Edit:Im not racist i like all religion mainly respecting Sikhism but idk were all humans
Islam was the religion of nomads and the barbaric rulers of the 6th & 7th-century rulers, Initially, it was just a branch of Arab Christianity, and then it took and much bigger step to go further and entirely alienate from Christianity in the 8th to 9 century. The crusade then gave it a more profound identity.
We don't know shit about Jesus!
60 years later is as bad as 200.
And the fact that it was was not written in the same language that Jesus talked, says it all!
Instead of trying very hard to slander Islam, why don’t you use this channel to promote the true teachings of Christianity?
Remember by seventh century recording means, linguistic abilities developed much better to present accurate and authentic belief system while it doesn't measure up anywhere near Bible 600 years older but technically sound
Muhammad not started Islam
4:31 who the hell said that Muhammad PBUH walked into Mecca and conquered it without firing a shot. They had a whole war to conquer Mecca
Goodness, you haven't even read your own tradition. Go and read it before making such erroneous comments.
@@pfanderfilms you guys are just not ready to accept the truth. We don't even care no more about people like you. I am just shocked to see that you guys care that much about Islam. Mind your own business pray to your own God. We Muslims don't have programs trying to prove Christianity wrong. We don't have to fight with Christians even I have 6 Christian friends For the past 11 years. We also believe that one day Hazrat Issah (Jesus) will come back. But you guys think that Jesus is son of God and we think Jesus is prophet of God
@Qui Creva Sp hahahahhah You have never read Quran. And here you are talking shit when you don't know anything. I have read Quran I've never seen anywhere in Quran where it denigrate Christianity and Judaism
Read people read, the Quran yourself .
All non muslims are blind they can not see and understand truth. Allah (God) said in Quran this is my duty to tell you all truth becouse you humans will not blame me in day of judgement . O Allah we don't that why we did sins. My brother this is your duty to read and understand What Allah said. Quran is last version of book from Allah becouse every time human always agenst message of allah.
Doing the compilation of the Quran they were people that were illiterate even the Prophet Muhammad (saw) was illiterate himself.
How does this prove anything other than the ’blind leading the blind’ or the ’illiterate leading the illiterate’?
It was not written down so it never existed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 classic. The Romans nor the Persians didn't write anything on getting their ass kicked out of their 6000yrs old empires!
Nothing was written so it all lies!
Romans meticulously recorded defeats in order to learn from them. There is an entire principle of historical study known as the "principle of embarrassment" where it is more likely that events took place as described when they are embarrassing for the ones recording the events.
Islam is totally false, Christ is true,amen.
👍❤✊Seminars housing maximum number of people are so much more better than 2 people doing 100 debates. 👍🙏❤
New - Imaginery discovery. Baseless Propaganda.
This explains why the whole world isn't kissing the kabba for the daughters of allah in this present age.❤️
Jesus Christ Akbar 🐛🦋🕊️🐑🗺️🎁
They are not taught that Jesus was Black either and that's something that you guys have to deal with as well.
I believe he was Mediterranean, and not black. So, what's your point?
You have to be racial just to have an argument??? Come on rashid 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pfanderfilms if he was able to go into Egypt and not be detected speaks volumes within itself, unless you believe that Egyptians are white🤫🤐😂😂😂
@@pfanderfilms and you would be wrong
@@Randomtube_94 listen I understand when you look through the lens of the other it creates sub-consciousness of bias and you don't even realize it and nor do you want to
In this presentation of you put only 1 Muslim there he will prove all the points wrong. I can prove everything he said was a lie
Good, we're waiting...
@luck pon hahhahah they are teaching you guys what they believe. I bet not one of you would have never read Quran. And just believe what he says.
@luck pon first you provide evidence that what he is saying is right and then I will prove that evidence wrong
Do It Different . Typical. “I can proof this wrong”. So go ahead. “No, you first show your proof” If your proof is so strong, then you do not need the critique before you can deliver your proof. Your facts must be able to stand on its own. Please provide it, we are waiting.
@@francism3805 because you guys don't have proofs that's why l asked for them
Anyone that knows anything about Islam and how the Quran came about would know that it was a book that was memorized letter by letter the very word itself means to recite, and when they did write it down it's was only do to those we look at as being hufadh(those who memorized the Quran) and that's what he's referencing the written parts and not those who memorized the Quran at the time of the Prophet Muhammad (saw).
This man is a LIAR
Your takiya is very amusing but ultimately fails.
What did they memorize if there was no Qur'an around to memorize? Where is your proof that they memorized anything? Everything you are saying comes from traditions written 200 year too late.
This men have to push taqiya button just to have an argument 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
are you referring to the verses that were eaten by the sheep? are you referring to the verses that were forgotten? burned? you statement is very vapid and poltroon! Try again.
@@pfanderfilms this man is a Liar, he knows that the people will just look into what he said to be a lie. Now for the record the Quran was compiled doing the time of Abu Bakr.
The Quran was compiled into a book in the time of the first caliph, Abu Bakr.