Ok, thanks! I was just wondering because I'm worried the quality of the mridanga won't be good, but after seeing your mridanga, it seems just fine! Hare Krishna!
Hari bol, I Believe my mistakes so far is that I made clay from my yard using water and straining through a t-shirt. Although this produced a very nice smooth clay, I did not dry it out. Also, I ordered a khol from India and it came with a red clay patch. It is very dry here and trying to learn how to deepen the tone is what brought me to your videos. I tried adding to the existing clay and the rice applies nicely, but then the clay/rice mix doesn't. I am going to remove everything and start over. I will dry out my clay and grind it more. If I still find I am having trouble I will attempt to find this Fuller's Earth mentioned in another comment. I really liked the comments shared by Paul McCloud, that was also very informative and gives some more ideas to try. Hare Krishna!!!
@@TheVedicWayChannel Thank you, Prabhu. I am about to add my first layer using the fine powder I have made. My question now is: .. The rice paste has dried, but now so has the drum head to where it is the very high tone if I strike. Did I wait too long? Or does it matter? Do I need to dampen the layer of rice paste, again and let it dry, then add clay while the skin underneath is still a little damp? While the tone is closer to what I want to achieve? Or will it make a difference? Also, you smooth out the clay with a little water on your finger. Is that just after your final layer? Or should this be done before the next layer is applied? Have any other devotees or viewers mentioned perhaps how many layers it took in a dry climate to achieve a nice tone? Thanks again, Prabhu, for your video and especially your reply. I was not expecting such a quick response, haha. Hare Krsna!!
@@jnealcarr Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) It is pretty much a custom process adapted to your own climate, so no fixed formula on how many layers. The rice layer you can let is try fully, all the consequent clay layers, need to be moist for applying.
Pavamana Prabhu/Paul recalls the use of powdered brick (surkhi). You most likely can't buy it in the States, our bricks are either recycled or dumped. But it is easy to make. You need a brick and a hammer, and I suggest breathing protection .
Muito bom Prabhu. Toco mrdanda há mais de 30 anos e nunca tinha visto a aplicação dessa pasta. É muito simples. Agora vou poder eu mesmo fazer os reparos das mrdangas e tablas que soltares a pasta do círculo central. Muito obrigado pela instrução. Dandavat pranam. Your servent Manohar das
Dear Prabhu, Thank you for the video. Your video has helped me repair many of my drums, and for that reason I am wondering if I could use it for students. I would need to re-upload it in order to add annotations for explanations. Let me know if that is a problem for you. I will mention your name (If you could provide it please) as credit for the video. Much appreciation for the time and effort you put into the creation of this video, Nimai (Devala) Griffith
I learned this procedure in India back in the early '70s. The mrdunga mistry (maker) used pottery dust, not raw clay. He ground it as is done here, but afterwards would sift the dust through a fine cloth so that no large pieces remained. He would gather the dust in the cloth, and gather the ends so that the dust was enclosed. Then he would use a clay pot with a neck large enough to insert his hand with the cloth. He would then shake it inside the pot to catch the dust as it emerged from the cloth bag. The dust was extremely fine.. After each layer of "gob" was applied, he would crack it after it was dry so that the head would vibrate easily. Then when the final layer was done, he would grind some wood ashes and apply that. After that was dry, he would smooth out the surface not by using sandpaper, but a very hard polished stone. I found that polished quartz was the best, since it is extremely hard. It will smooth out and burnish the surface. All in all a very nice video. Thank you!
The color would come out black. Sometimes he would take a tool and create a design on it. Just a nice extra touch. It's been a while since I tried to make a gob, and I'm now inspired to try again. Thanks!
Greyish black I guess. It was many years ago, like maybe 40. The man would just grind a burnt piece of wood. I guess that would make it black, no? Maybe not ashes, but charcoal. You could use powdered colors also.
pretty good instruction, if you use boiled glutinous rice and fine iron powder this method can be used for making a new tabla/bayan gab as well, just between each application of paste, it needs to polished with a smooth glass ball or polished stone to get the desired crackle
Prabhu, we know for one thing (we asked) that Indian tabla makers order their iron powder (dust under 90 microns) from Germany. And so do Indonesian Ketipung Bagus (Koplo) makers (a kind of vegan tabla). ecs7.tokopedia.net/img/product-1/2015/4/27/204091/204091_8bfac50a-ec90-11e4-bc3f-854c87772fba.jpg It's difficult to make such a fine iron dust by hand. But it all started with simple , sifted metal filings back in the 16th century (when mrid-ang was changed to pakh-awaz) Maybe a sign of the times (the impossible iron age)? We found this iron powder on ebay
Jay Prabhu gracias por la leccion.. mas quiero estar seguro de comprender bien, el polvo que usa usted junto con el arroz cocido para hacer el parche es...?
Hi prabhu...!!! thank you very much for the lesson...!!!! i read the syahi is maked whith rice, manganese dust, and iron fillings. what do you think about this mixture?
Very nice instructional video. I have a clay , like yours, but it's tuned too high for the humidity where I live. I am wondering how I can lower the tune without loosening the straps or having to constantly apply water. Should I add layers of clay, as you did?
Hare Kṛṣṇa! I've seen when they manufacture, they work on each of the leather straps by stretching them. Unfortunately doesn't seem to work once the leather is dry, as it is very difficult or the straps break if pulled too hard. I've been thinking of soaking the leather to make it soft so that its pliable to re-stretch, but haven't tried it. Also, a common technique is putting round pieces of wood in the straps to stretch the straps. Not sure what to do myself, have the same problem.
Hare Krsna Prabhuji Thnak you very much for this video, i really appreciate and will do it on my mrdanga, one question though, is it the same process for the small side? and with the rice, you cook it well and then leave it soaking? for how long? Thank you, dandavats
thank you just wondering if cornflour would be better as a glue as the starch should suffice as a glue as well as using Fullers Earth (LEAM) a fine clay as using these ingredients would be easier as no grinding would be needed which would also cause less wear to the drum skin when re-patching. Your thoughts would be nice maybe a trial video would be good if the cornflour was ineffective as a glue then rice and Fullers Earth (LEAM) I think would work well.
i believe the black layers are made from iron fillings/powder. and thanks for tips i'll see what i can do, should i tighten it before applying the paste?
Hare Krishna prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to His Divine Grace. I’ve gone through the video, and comments and have a couple of questions. So as you’ve said, the small side is the same process as the large side but the layers may vary. Should there be more or less layers on the small head? Also some comments are talking about iron powder or basalt powder, do these improve the sound quality? How would those things be applied the the head if so? Thank you for considering my questions Prabhu. Yours in service, Bhakta Pat.
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) Obeisances, Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! The amount of layers is totally dependend on the tightness of the head, don't think there are any hard rules, really depends on the drum itself. I have not tried iron powder or basalt, but I believe its the same principle, very fine powder.
Hare Krsna prabhu . Thanks a lot for these very useful demos . Do we use the same procedure for small side of the mridanga ? I mean , any difference in the number of layers of clay ?
@@TheVedicWayChannel Thank you prabhu . Very grateful to you . Thank you for your prompt reply . All glories to your wonderful service . Hare Krsna . 🙏🙏🙏
Thanks for the video, my question to you is, on a tabla is it the same mixture of rice and clay plus iron filings that is used and is it applied using the same method. On the tabla it's my understanding that the patch is used to enable a high pitch
***** Thanks for the reply. It's true what you say about more weight, lower frequency, but consider that we are talking about Tabla and the patch is on the high frequency side - a patch that incorporates metal filings may just help with the pitch. I'm not sure, just searching. Thanks again
I wouldn't really add water to the gub to lower the pitch since it is made out of clay which dissolves in water. but around the edge is better. thanks for the vid
Hare KRishna Gracias por su post , necesito ayuda prahuji,tengo una mridanga de unas que son como de fibra y los lados de cuero , se me revento uno de los cordones de los lados por lo que la mridanga se desafina bien facilmente la coloco en el sol pero al tocarla se desafina me podria dar algun consejo prabhu.
Hi there, thanks for the quick reply. I bought a fine clay in the pottery store. It's called "red art clay" and it's like flour - very fine powder, so I didn't think I need to grind it. The cracks are thin, but they are raised up, so the clay eventually falls off. Is there any clay that you would recommend? I can send you picture tomorrow when the sun is up. I tried two different types of rice, and used all the correct proportions. Thanks.
If the clay is always cracking when dry, is that only because of it not being fine enough? Or perhaps there could be another reason? I'm grinding my clay/rice mixture with mortar and pestle but always cracks a lot. Perhaps there is another reason? Jai Gurudev Hare Krsna
Correct, its not fine enough. We used a cofee grinder, or you can also use a super fine cloth (like a t-shirt) to sift it. It really has to be very fine powder. Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! Hare Kṛṣṇa! :)
Haribol, did you use a clay-bodied mridanga in this video? Also, is the the procedure the same for a fiberglass mridanga with leather heads(with clay siahi)?
Prabhuji my mridanga is little bit damaged so every time scal come down how can I repair I can easily hear clay sound from moving big side to small side and damage part is also visible it's in body still whenever I kept mridanga in sunlight I can play 1 or 2 hours perfect after that scal comes down I was so careless now I am taking full care but 😔now I understood my mistake now I want to Atonement Hare Krishna 🙏🚩♥️
Haribol, Is the rice glue supposed to be very thick and sticky, or smooth and runny? And, is it okay to just use clay for the small side of the drum instead of the iron powder? Thank you.
After some research, I have found that the black part on the small head is indeed iron powder. Now, would you put the iron powder on the same way as you would the clay, or is it a different procedure?
Hi there. I've tried four times, experimenting with different thickness and wetness, but every time the layer cracks when it's dry. The clay I use is the red art clay, which is very fine. Could it be that it's too fine? Any ideas? Thanks for the great video!
Hari bol... I am curious what you have learned over the 6 years? Did you grind the red art clay? And when you added layers, were you using too much clay for each layer? Any tips would be welcomed. Hare Krsna!
Hare Kṛṣṇa! That is normal behaviour, you can help prevent the small cracks from falling by adding a small layer of cooked rice mashed up in a very thin layer (acts like glue). But eventually, you'll have to apply a new coat.
Ok, so you are saying that the black layers are powdered basalt rock. Thanks for the clear-up, because I was a bit confused. But what do you mean by "pressed against the skin with a flat and smooth rock (basalt)." Is that like the rock you used in the video, or am I just misunderstanding? And one more thing, I'm assuming that when you say "get the particles as tight together as possible," you mean like how the clay powder must be very fine. Again, thank you and Haribolll!!!! :)
While surkhi powder is the name in India, "brick powder" IS marketed in the States. It's used on baseball diamonds, apparently. Small quantities are sold on Etsy. Doh!....
Hare Kṛṣṇa! The patch can be bought individually for your drum, but even just installing it is not that easy. Those leather strands are quite cumbersome and requires a lot of patience to install... what to speak of getting the skin in the first place!
0:10 Anga means either 'body' or 'part of body' ie limb. Mrid-anga means earthen body instrument. Earlier the body of mrid-anga was made from baked earth, but today is made from wood. Edit : Khol is still made from ceramic body till today : th-cam.com/video/ywuUrPVm9dI/w-d-xo.html 0:50 Syahi means ink in Urdu/Persian (and is not related to earth) Edit : Syahi term may be a loan word from tabla making because it is black in colour like ink. It's made of glue material, iron powder and charcoal powder : th-cam.com/video/fuYCkI-gEC0/w-d-xo.html In Mridanga actually earth and rice paste is applied. So it makes sense to call it earth paste rather than Syahi.
@@TheVedicWayChannel It was originally made from earth but they changed it to wood later on. However the old name stuck. With better materials having more convenient properties musically or otherwise this is bound to happen.
Thanks for this excellent tutorial video, well done! Now I'll subscribe to see what else you post. Tabla dayan? I knew this was involved; thanks also for time-lapse.
Really? I might try, but in Florida, the ground is a bit sandy. I have until Gaura Purnima to finish fixing this drum, so I'll try that. How would you recommend separating the clay from the sand and sediment in the dirt?
+The Vedic Way As I am taking out the original gob, there is a hole, and some of the charcoal, or black discoloration on the skin. Will that affect the applying of the new gob?
+The Vedic Way for the layering of the patch, I just have a few questions. Does the rice have to be any special kind of rice? jasmine, basmati, etc? And in regards to the layering, is it one layer of rice paste, and one layer of rice and clay and charcoal/iron filings/whatever else alternating? or is only the first layer rice glue and the rest are clay/charcoal etc?
Haribol! This is not related to the patch, but the mridanga. Often during playing, on the big head, I find that a string starts to come out from under the outer ring above the head. Does this happen to you, or do you know the cause and the fix? Thanks! Hare Krishna!
Earlier mridangam, khol, pakhavaj, naal, tabla comprised of one skin only, with no kinar/side skin + sihai/gab. They were discovered by physicist and Nobel laureate C.V.Raman (book, Indian Drums; and "Raman effect"/Rectilinear propagation of light/a Nobel). Aryans/Russians & Germans invented 'khol', with very detailed bass 'rela', adapting the basic bols 'te re ke tay + ge ghe' from Carnatic mridangam. N.B.: Khol bass sihai can be of mrid/terracotta/burnt 'orange' clay powder, that which is hard/doesn't wear off, and unlike the drum anga/body [should be bulging a bit towards 'inside' for a stable equilebrium, and not towards the bass]. Kolkata, India, & SHARE.🎉🎉
@@anandm6797 Ok, great, so then you need to try it , make into powder, and then sift only the finest particles using a t-shirt or similar very small mess cloth.
Can you apply clay to an already existing syahi without removal? Can this technique also help the resonance of a drum? I go to the humid Orlando Florida temple, and the drum head on the bayan is low, but without much resonance, the sound dies very quickly.
***** I've seen that little string beneath the kinaar before. Do you just put a thin string there to add resonance? Does it go around the entire circumference of the drum? I suppose I could measure and cut some string and push it in with a thin stick. But could just adding water, then clay paste make it sound less flat? Or would you need to take off the existing gob first?
coolshava I mean, I suppose the bayan could be a LITTLE lower, but the real issue is the flatness and how quickly the sound dies out. Any tips for making the small head higher as well? I'm a bit worried to try just putting it above a fire.
This is not a Mridanga. The Mridang is north Indian instrument and Mridangam south Indian instrument is different. Mridang, Mridangam and khol are 3 differement instruments. Mridang(pakhawaj) is north Indian, Mridangam is south Indian and this khol is east Indian.
Ok, thanks! I was just wondering because I'm worried the quality of the mridanga won't be good, but after seeing your mridanga, it seems just fine! Hare Krishna!
Hari bol,
I Believe my mistakes so far is that I made clay from my yard using water and straining through a t-shirt. Although this produced a very nice smooth clay, I did not dry it out. Also, I ordered a khol from India and it came with a red clay patch. It is very dry here and trying to learn how to deepen the tone is what brought me to your videos. I tried adding to the existing clay and the rice applies nicely, but then the clay/rice mix doesn't. I am going to remove everything and start over. I will dry out my clay and grind it more. If I still find I am having trouble I will attempt to find this Fuller's Earth mentioned in another comment. I really liked the comments shared by Paul McCloud, that was also very informative and gives some more ideas to try. Hare Krishna!!!
Hare Kṛṣṇa! What I found is that using a cofee grinder is the easiest way to make it super fine powder.
@@TheVedicWayChannel Thank you, Prabhu. I am about to add my first layer using the fine powder I have made. My question now is: .. The rice paste has dried, but now so has the drum head to where it is the very high tone if I strike. Did I wait too long? Or does it matter? Do I need to dampen the layer of rice paste, again and let it dry, then add clay while the skin underneath is still a little damp? While the tone is closer to what I want to achieve? Or will it make a difference? Also, you smooth out the clay with a little water on your finger. Is that just after your final layer? Or should this be done before the next layer is applied? Have any other devotees or viewers mentioned perhaps how many layers it took in a dry climate to achieve a nice tone? Thanks again, Prabhu, for your video and especially your reply. I was not expecting such a quick response, haha. Hare Krsna!!
@@jnealcarr Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) It is pretty much a custom process adapted to your own climate, so no fixed formula on how many layers. The rice layer you can let is try fully, all the consequent clay layers, need to be moist for applying.
Pavamana Prabhu/Paul recalls the use of powdered brick (surkhi). You most likely can't buy it in the States, our bricks are either recycled or dumped. But it is easy to make. You need a brick and a hammer, and I suggest breathing protection .
I bought a new mrdanga and big chunks of clay started falling off on the 1st day itself.. Really eager to try this method.. I hope it works..
Muito bom Prabhu. Toco mrdanda há mais de 30 anos e nunca tinha visto a aplicação dessa pasta. É muito simples. Agora vou poder eu mesmo fazer os reparos das mrdangas e tablas que soltares a pasta do círculo central. Muito obrigado pela instrução. Dandavat pranam. Your servent Manohar das
Dear Prabhu,
Thank you for the video. Your video has helped me repair many of my drums, and for that reason I am wondering if I could use it for students. I would need to re-upload it in order to add annotations for explanations. Let me know if that is a problem for you. I will mention your name (If you could provide it please) as credit for the video.
Much appreciation for the time and effort you put into the creation of this video,
Nimai (Devala) Griffith
I learned this procedure in India back in the early '70s. The mrdunga mistry (maker) used pottery dust, not raw clay. He ground it as is done here, but afterwards would sift the dust through a fine cloth so that no large pieces remained. He would gather the dust in the cloth, and gather the ends so that the dust was enclosed. Then he would use a clay pot with a neck large enough to insert his hand with the cloth. He would then shake it inside the pot to catch the dust as it emerged from the cloth bag. The dust was extremely fine..
After each layer of "gob" was applied, he would crack it after it was dry so that the head would vibrate easily. Then when the final layer was done, he would grind some wood ashes and apply that. After that was dry, he would smooth out the surface not by using sandpaper, but a very hard polished stone. I found that polished quartz was the best, since it is extremely hard. It will smooth out and burnish the surface.
All in all a very nice video. Thank you!
The color would come out black. Sometimes he would take a tool and create a design on it. Just a nice extra touch. It's been a while since I tried to make a gob, and I'm now inspired to try again. Thanks!
Greyish black I guess. It was many years ago, like maybe 40. The man would just grind a burnt piece of wood. I guess that would make it black, no? Maybe not ashes, but charcoal. You could use powdered colors also.
In India, crushed brick powder is known as surkhi, and a mortar is made of surkhi instead of sand
pretty good instruction, if you use boiled glutinous rice and fine iron powder this method can be used for making a new tabla/bayan gab as well, just between each application of paste, it needs to polished with a smooth glass ball or polished stone to get the desired crackle
Prabhu, we know for one thing (we asked) that Indian tabla makers order their iron powder (dust under 90 microns) from Germany. And so do Indonesian Ketipung Bagus (Koplo) makers (a kind of vegan tabla).
ecs7.tokopedia.net/img/product-1/2015/4/27/204091/204091_8bfac50a-ec90-11e4-bc3f-854c87772fba.jpg
It's difficult to make such a fine iron dust by hand. But it all started with simple , sifted metal filings back in the 16th century (when mrid-ang was changed to pakh-awaz) Maybe a sign of the times (the impossible iron age)? We found this iron powder on ebay
Sir, can u please upload video for how to fix the iron powder/karanai powder in the other part of Mrdangam
Jay Prabhu gracias por la leccion.. mas quiero estar seguro de comprender bien, el polvo que usa usted junto con el arroz cocido para hacer el parche es...?
It will be nice to have a video on tightening mridanga straps
Thanks for the video it was so calming..Hare Krishna ❤️🙏
Hare Krishna! Very useful info. I may give this a try 🙏
Hi prabhu...!!! thank you very much for the lesson...!!!!
i read the syahi is maked whith rice, manganese dust, and iron fillings.
what do you think about this mixture?
Hi prabhu! Thanks for sharing this amazing video! If i understood, after removing the old clay, you let head drying for a intire day?
Thanks for all the help, and sorry for bothering you with all the questions. Hare Krsna!
Very nice instructional video. I have a clay , like yours, but it's tuned too high for the humidity where I live. I am wondering how I can lower the tune without loosening the straps or having to constantly apply water. Should I add layers of clay, as you did?
Thank you very much for the video. My other questions: How do we tighten the two surfaces?
The striking surface is loose. Can you make a video of it?
Hare Kṛṣṇa! I've seen when they manufacture, they work on each of the leather straps by stretching them. Unfortunately doesn't seem to work once the leather is dry, as it is very difficult or the straps break if pulled too hard. I've been thinking of soaking the leather to make it soft so that its pliable to re-stretch, but haven't tried it. Also, a common technique is putting round pieces of wood in the straps to stretch the straps. Not sure what to do myself, have the same problem.
Hare Krsna Prabhuji Thnak you very much for this video, i really appreciate and will do it on my mrdanga, one question though, is it the same process for the small side? and with the rice, you cook it well and then leave it soaking? for how long?
Thank you, dandavats
thank you just wondering if cornflour would be better as a glue as the starch should suffice as a glue as well as using Fullers Earth (LEAM) a fine clay as using these ingredients would be easier as no grinding would be needed which would also cause less wear to the drum skin when re-patching. Your thoughts would be nice maybe a trial video would be good if the cornflour was ineffective as a glue then rice and Fullers Earth (LEAM) I think would work well.
i believe the black layers are made from iron fillings/powder. and thanks for tips i'll see what i can do, should i tighten it before applying the paste?
Hare Krishna prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to His Divine Grace.
I’ve gone through the video, and comments and have a couple of questions.
So as you’ve said, the small side is the same process as the large side but the layers may vary. Should there be more or less layers on the small head? Also some comments are talking about iron powder or basalt powder, do these improve the sound quality? How would those things be applied the the head if so?
Thank you for considering my questions Prabhu.
Yours in service,
Bhakta Pat.
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) Obeisances, Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda!
The amount of layers is totally dependend on the tightness of the head, don't think there are any hard rules, really depends on the drum itself. I have not tried iron powder or basalt, but I believe its the same principle, very fine powder.
Hare Krsna prabhu . Thanks a lot for these very useful demos . Do we use the same procedure for small side of the mridanga ? I mean , any difference in the number of layers of clay ?
Hare Kṛṣṇa! Glad to be of service. I usually do the same, but the number of layers changes depending on how much lowering of the pitch is required.
@@TheVedicWayChannel Thank you prabhu . Very grateful to you . Thank you for your prompt reply . All glories to your wonderful service . Hare Krsna . 🙏🙏🙏
Hare krsna ...Thank you for your effort ..
Hare Krishna prabhuji dandavat pranaam prabhuji 🙏🙏🙏, can we do the same process for smaller side..
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) Pranams. Yes, same process.
Hare Krishna, thank you prabhuji 🙏 🙏
Hare Krishna prabhuji dandavat pranaam 🙏🙏🙏, prabhuji, how can I get clay prabhuji
@@dontalanarasimhamurthy6934 Hare Kṛṣṇa! Comes from the ground, have to dig a little, look in places where water pools after rain.
Hare Krishna thank you prabhuji 🙏🙏
Thanks for the video, my question to you is, on a tabla is it the same mixture of rice and clay plus iron filings that is used and is it applied using the same method. On the tabla it's my understanding that the patch is used to enable a high pitch
***** Thanks for the reply. It's true what you say about more weight, lower frequency, but consider that we are talking about Tabla and the patch is on the high frequency side - a patch that incorporates metal filings may just help with the pitch. I'm not sure, just searching. Thanks again
Awesome, thanks for the tips. Very useful guide. Can't wait to try. Jaya Nitāi-Gaurāṅga and Their Harinama Sankirtan pastimes!
prabhu is at also possible for you to do a tutorial on pulling the leather straps and tuning the mridanga? Thank you very much. Hare krsna
I wouldn't really add water to the gub to lower the pitch since it is made out of clay which dissolves in water. but around the edge is better. thanks for the vid
Mridanga Studios I think that's what he meant devala, between the gob and kinaar.
Well the question is U put a good clay over the mridanga Prabhu now how to enhance the base sound of the big khol..
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) What do you mean by enhance?
Beautiful work
Hare KRishna Gracias por su post , necesito ayuda prahuji,tengo una mridanga de unas que son como de fibra y los lados de cuero , se me revento uno de los cordones de los lados por lo que la mridanga se desafina bien facilmente la coloco en el sol pero al tocarla se desafina me podria dar algun consejo prabhu.
Hi there, thanks for the quick reply. I bought a fine clay in the pottery store. It's called "red art clay" and it's like flour - very fine powder, so I didn't think I need to grind it. The cracks are thin, but they are raised up, so the clay eventually falls off. Is there any clay that you would recommend? I can send you picture tomorrow when the sun is up. I tried two different types of rice, and used all the correct proportions. Thanks.
If the clay is always cracking when dry, is that only because of it not being fine enough? Or perhaps there could be another reason? I'm grinding my clay/rice mixture with mortar and pestle but always cracks a lot. Perhaps there is another reason? Jai Gurudev Hare Krsna
Correct, its not fine enough. We used a cofee grinder, or you can also use a super fine cloth (like a t-shirt) to sift it. It really has to be very fine powder.
Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! Hare Kṛṣṇa! :)
@@TheVedicWayChannel Thank you!
Hare Krishna prabhu,
Why does the string on baya end underneath the kinar come out? How can ii fix this?
Hare Krishna
Haribol, one more question, when you buy clay powder from the store, is there a specific type you must get? (red clay, etc.)
Haribol, did you use a clay-bodied mridanga in this video?
Also, is the the procedure the same for a fiberglass mridanga with leather heads(with clay siahi)?
Prabhuji my mridanga is little bit damaged so every time scal come down how can I repair I can easily hear clay sound from moving big side to small side and damage part is also visible it's in body still whenever I kept mridanga in sunlight I can play 1 or 2 hours perfect after that scal comes down I was so careless now I am taking full care but 😔now I understood my mistake now I want to Atonement
Hare Krishna 🙏🚩♥️
Hare Kṛṣṇa! Don't think there's a repair for that.
Haribol, Is the rice glue supposed to be very thick and sticky, or smooth and runny? And, is it okay to just use clay for the small side of the drum instead of the iron powder? Thank you.
Thanks so much for all the help! Hare Krsna!
Haribol! I was wondering, did you get your mridanga directly from India, or did you order it online?
great! but what about the small side, how do i make it resonate and have a nice high pitch? mine is sound low and flat
After some research, I have found that the black part on the small head is indeed iron powder. Now, would you put the iron powder on the same way as you would the clay, or is it a different procedure?
HK...what to do if you have applied glue to the bayan side of your mirdanga
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) Not sure I understand the problem
इस तरह से ढोलक पर लगाने से क्या ढोलक भी अच्छी आवाज करने लगेगी कृपया बताएं धन्यवाद
I think so, haven't tried.
Hi there. I've tried four times, experimenting with different thickness and wetness, but every time the layer cracks when it's dry. The clay I use is the red art clay, which is very fine. Could it be that it's too fine? Any ideas? Thanks for the great video!
Hari bol... I am curious what you have learned over the 6 years? Did you grind the red art clay? And when you added layers, were you using too much clay for each layer? Any tips would be welcomed. Hare Krsna!
Hare Krishna 🕉😍
Hare krishna prabhu .every time I use my mirdhanga it leaves like small cracks in the drum .what can I do so it does not leave any small cracks?
Hare Kṛṣṇa! That is normal behaviour, you can help prevent the small cracks from falling by adding a small layer of cooked rice mashed up in a very thin layer (acts like glue). But eventually, you'll have to apply a new coat.
Yes, that is true! Thanks again!
Oh really? I just ordered one of of Ebay as well! Is yours from the one sold from Gainesville, Florida?
Ok, so you are saying that the black layers are powdered basalt rock. Thanks for the clear-up, because I was a bit confused. But what do you mean by "pressed against the skin with a flat and smooth rock (basalt)." Is that like the rock you used in the video, or am I just misunderstanding? And one more thing, I'm assuming that when you say "get the particles as tight together as possible," you mean like how the clay powder must be very fine. Again, thank you and Haribolll!!!! :)
While surkhi powder is the name in India, "brick powder" IS marketed in the States. It's used on baseball diamonds, apparently. Small quantities are sold on Etsy.
Doh!....
Where can I buy a replacement bayan head for this drum in North america? Anyone have some insight. Please and thank you.
In winter is it needed to be applied water or to be dried in sun?
I don't understand the question. Please kindly explain.
dandavat prabhu, i'd like to know if it is possible that you can make a tutorial of making the patch thanks
Hare Kṛṣṇa! The patch can be bought individually for your drum, but even just installing it is not that easy. Those leather strands are quite cumbersome and requires a lot of patience to install... what to speak of getting the skin in the first place!
i Heard that if we put water on our mridanga it will spoil it very fast. Why does this happen, while doing this will we face those problems?
Hi, I like this video, but from where do I get the clay...
hi, you can get clay from the soil. Just dig a little, or look for clay sources nearby.
Thank you very much !! 🙏🏼
0:10 Anga means either 'body' or 'part of body' ie limb. Mrid-anga means earthen body instrument. Earlier the body of mrid-anga was made from baked earth, but today is made from wood.
Edit : Khol is still made from ceramic body till today : th-cam.com/video/ywuUrPVm9dI/w-d-xo.html
0:50 Syahi means ink in Urdu/Persian (and is not related to earth)
Edit : Syahi term may be a loan word from tabla making because it is black in colour like ink. It's made of glue material, iron powder and charcoal powder : th-cam.com/video/fuYCkI-gEC0/w-d-xo.html
In Mridanga actually earth and rice paste is applied. So it makes sense to call it earth paste rather than Syahi.
Hare Kṛṣṇa! :) So how come the South Indian drum is also called mrdanga, and its made of wood?
@@TheVedicWayChannel It was originally made from earth but they changed it to wood later on. However the old name stuck. With better materials having more convenient properties musically or otherwise this is bound to happen.
Hare Krsna prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada ❤😊
Kindly help me where to buy this GOB or GABA friend.
thank you sooooo much Prabhu . ...
How to tune the khol and dholak
Please can you tell me what kind of powder do you use
Just clay from the earth, clay soil.
What happens if the string comes off
Thanks for this excellent tutorial video, well done! Now I'll subscribe to see what else you post. Tabla dayan? I knew this was involved; thanks also for time-lapse.
is the rice cooked or just soaked in water?
Cooked
If you don't have clay to mix with the rice, can you reuse the clay you scraped off the drum?
Really? I might try, but in Florida, the ground is a bit sandy. I have until Gaura Purnima to finish fixing this drum, so I'll try that. How would you recommend separating the clay from the sand and sediment in the dirt?
+The Vedic Way As I am taking out the original gob, there is a hole, and some of the charcoal, or black discoloration on the skin. Will that affect the applying of the new gob?
it is a small tear that was covered by the clay but was revealed when I took off the old clay
+The Vedic Way so leave a medium to large hole in the gob/syahi at that point where there is the hole? dont cover it? thanks
+The Vedic Way for the layering of the patch, I just have a few questions.
Does the rice have to be any special kind of rice? jasmine, basmati, etc?
And in regards to the layering, is it one layer of rice paste, and one layer of rice and clay and charcoal/iron filings/whatever else alternating? or is only the first layer rice glue and the rest are clay/charcoal etc?
Thank you prabhu
Haribol! This is not related to the patch, but the mridanga. Often during playing, on the big head, I find that a string starts to come out from under the outer ring above the head. Does this happen to you, or do you know the cause and the fix? Thanks! Hare Krishna!
thanxxx thanxx bro your video is very knowledgeable keep itup...
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how to correct the smaller side of it prabhu?
Hare Kṛṣṇa! It’s the same way for both sides prabhu :)
The Vedic Way can this method be used on a tabla?
Yes, tabla too. Same principle.
Thank you
Thank you.
Where i can get a right clay for this , and Can you attach a link please.
Oh that's clay from the soil, just need to dig a little =)
@@TheVedicWayChannel :)) I like the answer. So i can use any type of dry clay ( red, white, or grey, or . . . ). Or some specific ?
@@ChocoMan108 Yes, any type of dry clay, the finer the particle size the better, makes it easier to apply.
Jayho!!! thanks
Very nice
I think a plastic credit card (with its rounded corners) would make a safe scraper.
Can we used the same clay that we used for poettry?.
Thx. But my other question is why do we need to blend it first and remake it like paste again
The one that i have already like a paste. Do i need to blend it again??
Haribol...🤟🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Ok thank you! And sorry for the late reply! Haribol!
Which clay is used
The finest particle size, the better. This is just taken from the ground.
Earlier mridangam, khol, pakhavaj, naal, tabla comprised of one skin only, with no kinar/side skin + sihai/gab. They were discovered by physicist and Nobel laureate C.V.Raman (book, Indian Drums; and "Raman effect"/Rectilinear propagation of light/a Nobel). Aryans/Russians & Germans invented 'khol', with very detailed bass 'rela', adapting the basic bols 'te re ke tay + ge ghe' from Carnatic mridangam.
N.B.: Khol bass sihai can be of mrid/terracotta/burnt 'orange' clay powder, that which is hard/doesn't wear off, and unlike the drum anga/body [should be bulging a bit towards 'inside' for a stable equilebrium, and not towards the bass]. Kolkata, India, & SHARE.🎉🎉
sorry i mean CLAY where to find
Clay you can find almost anywhere, just have to dig and prepare the soil to extract the clay. Not so common to find 100% pure clay.
@@TheVedicWayChannel could not believe so fast reply from you.. HK to you.. thank you for reply.. so what is GABA or GOB how do i do plz
@@anandm6797 It is just soil, you can find in the ground. Clay soil, just sift into fine particles with a cloth.
@@TheVedicWayChannel i have sticky clay soil all around so thanks let me try and see
@@anandm6797 Ok, great, so then you need to try it , make into powder, and then sift only the finest particles using a t-shirt or similar very small mess cloth.
Can you apply clay to an already existing syahi without removal? Can this technique also help the resonance of a drum? I go to the humid Orlando Florida temple, and the drum head on the bayan is low, but without much resonance, the sound dies very quickly.
***** I've seen that little string beneath the kinaar before. Do you just put a thin string there to add resonance? Does it go around the entire circumference of the drum? I suppose I could measure and cut some string and push it in with a thin stick. But could just adding water, then clay paste make it sound less flat? Or would you need to take off the existing gob first?
coolshava I mean, I suppose the bayan could be a LITTLE lower, but the real issue is the flatness and how quickly the sound dies out. Any tips for making the small head higher as well? I'm a bit worried to try just putting it above a fire.
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This is not a Mridanga. The Mridang is north Indian instrument and Mridangam south Indian instrument is different. Mridang, Mridangam and khol are 3 differement instruments. Mridang(pakhawaj) is north Indian, Mridangam is south Indian and this khol is east Indian.