Dead Air Xeno | How Does It Compare? Keymo & Plan B
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This was probably the best video I’ve seen describing the primary purpose and differences of this new mounting system. The cinematography was also excellent as always
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
This is just about everything you need to know about a product when comparing it to others. Wish all product videos were this thorough. Thanks guys!
Really appreciate that man! Thanks for watching!
No doubt.
I'd love to see a video comparing return to zero between the keymo and the xeno mounts!!! Haven't seen anyone do this comparison and its information that I think new suppressor owners would love to know.
I get super stoked whenever im looking up a gun, can or anything pew pew and see a result from your channel. Super helpful as always.
Really appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
Excellent channel. Y’all have high quality content both in terms of information, products covered, and just the general video production level.
Thanks! Really appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
You all are my FAVORITE channel!!! You bring great information with lots of class! Much appreciated!
Wow, thank you! Really appreciate that! Thank you for watching!
@@AlabamaArsenal don’t get me wrong I love dead air. I own a sandman s, a ghost, AND a mask. Everything they’ve done is innovative but this just doesn’t seem to be. I would’ve rather seen them come out with a Sandman titanium, a Wolfman 45(I would call it the del toro), or a sandman 556. That’s just me though. There seems to be a lot of time and energy put into this when I don’t feel like it was necessary
Looks like a great mount, my only complaint would be that it doesn't have a thread protector when switching between rifles.
Great content. I appreciate your opinions and explanation comparitives. Details and delivery on point. Information is king nowadays. Thank you!
Info and production values on your videos are top notch, greatly appreciated here in the totalitarian state of Britain
@ 5:07 I saw Bigfoot in the background! 😂 Nice review guys! Carry on
Great video bud! 👍🏼
Damnit! Now I'm confused whether I should sell my brand new KeyMo and brakes, and swap to the Xeno... 🤣
Im.wondering if I should swap from my plan As in my 2 cans with the 1.375x24 TPI (rex S mg7 358 bore and recored HVT QM) with this simply so i couod still use my gemtech gmt halo ok the camp mounts! Seriosuly, looks like it will work with the first bfa groove!!!
I stopped using ASR mount s and switched to KeyMo as well. Xeno looks interesting, especially to save a little weight but In doubt I’d swap over completely since it takes so long to buy replacements. I’m glad you did this one, Dead Air is awesome but they could do better on social.
Yeah it takes a lot to switch over mounts, like I said I’m not switching anything out, but I could see using this on my next AR type rifle. Not a fan of the new route DA is taking on social media? LOL. Thanks for watching!
What was the issue with the ASR for you,
Really interesting to watch, kind of miffed now on if I should continue my journey in the keymo world that I started on or if I should stop and wait to see if they come out with anything other then a birdcage. (sorry sorry, I just love the look of their keymo three prong) Two things I wish I saw more in this video though were taking the suppressor on and off some more as I really like the speed and simplicity of the keymo, and use on a 9mm PCC.
Awesome video man thank you! I’m new to suppressors so seriously considering just switching everything to this.
Glad I could help! Be sure to check out our series called Silencer School, its made for people new to suppressors. Thanks for watching!
You should also take a look at the YHM kurz qd adaptor. Have it on the nomad and it nearly shaves an inch off total length compared to keymo
Great video. Just got my first can little over a month ago after waiting 330 days 🤦 went with the keymo system on the DeadAir nomad L paired with the SOLGW nox. Super quiet on my 9" 300 blackout. 🤘🇺🇲
I'm curious to see what Forward Control Designs comes up with
Me too
I love their stoner 63 esque keymo MD
At this point I just feel to invested in my SiCo ASR and admittedly haven't had any problems thus far. That's the road I'll take though whenever I decide to change up. Thanks for all your work!
Buy the hybrid, it works on all your guns. Proceeds to buy 10 asr brakes.
That’s the boat I’m in lol
@@paytonwoodruff3621 the Hybrid was my first suppressor lol. Just recently broke out my 36M from NFA jail. I may or may not have a problem but the list goes on lol.
I've never had a problem with my ASR mounts through thousands and thousands of rounds. I think it's important to move parts that get hot carbon every 500 rounds or so. For example, remove the suppressor at that round count, or switch the setting on an adjustable gas system. Then these high carbon areas stay freely moving.
Great video. All of your videos are great.
I went with the Griffin Plan A. It adds no length, looks great, and has numerous muzzle devices. The plan b isn’t flush, has that crappy cherry bomb and the company has zero support. Sure you can get an aftermarket muzzle device but then it adds extra length.
The Xeno is just unnecessarily long, sorry they screwed up.
Just seen someone walking in the the background of this video and thought “Sasquatch!” Idea for April fools day bud maybe 🤔
Love your channel, thanks!
Same
I’m probably going to end up with a xeno mount on my AB A-10 Warthog 5.56 can. It’s my first can and I’ve been checking out a bunch of different mounting systems. Good informative video. Edit: I did end up with the dead air xeno flash hider and hub for my AB can. It seems to work great but I haven’t got to shoot it a whole lot yet. Great video
Thanks for this, I was so into my key-mo mounts that I honestly didnt want to even give this a look.
I have a Sandman S in jail (I go to visit it at least once a month) that’s going to be run 1/2x28, so the included muzzle brake will not be used... while paying my $200 through Silencer Shop I ordered the flash hider style mount... it came without shims... Quick email to dead air confirmed that they don’t recommend using them anymore on the flash hider. While looking in the Sandman S box the other day I saw a note that said they did not have any shims available at the time of shipping, and to notify them when you were ready to mount a muzzle device. Cool enough.
Thinking this new system is what I need. A big fan of the birdcage as it is.
Honestly this system is a definite plus for Dead air moving forward and innovation on thier customers request and needs.
Unfortunately I'm a sucker for ratcheting devices 🥲 so the Keymo system is just for me.
Bro I keep saying this but your videos are amazing.
I love the fact that it dosnt start or end with straight testosterone. Keep it up bro keep it up
This is awesome. The cherry bomb is probably a better sacrificial blast baffle than the standard birdcage flash hider though don’t you think?
Awesome video. Confirmed what I suspected. Bought a Xeno. Thanks!
Maybe I just need to work my Keymo’s a ton but mine are so tight. I’ve spun my Keymo adapter off my can multiple times. I use Rocksett on all my muzzle devices but I don’t like doing it to adapters because I like to swap them around.
The Xeno looks really great though. Might have to try it on my Rex can when it’s out of jail…in 5 years 🤦♂️
Now I want a Xeno… damn it Alabama Arsenal!
Thank you Kanye, very cool
Lol! Thanks you for watching!
Great info and excellent video. I'm now on my way to being a new suppressor owner so, everything here was super helpful. Thanks for sharing 👍!
Thanks for the whole rundown of the different systems. Very, VERY helpful!
Thank you for this VERY informative vid. Everything I wanted to know about the Xeno and no fluff, perfect.
FWIW I have a bunch of KeyMo but I keep wanting something lighter and shorter, I'll absolutely be picking up the Xeno.
Thank you AA for this series of videos my friends…helped me Beaucoup in my can quest 😊👍😊👍…your content is so ZEN as well as informative!
Ugh! Shot my SBR w/Nomad and KeyMo last Sunday and it was shooting like $hit! Large groups and keyholing. After a while, I gave up and went to remove the Nomad, and the muzzle brake came off with the KeyMo mount! 😳
I guess my old bottle of Rocksett was no good anymore. In any case, I was LUCKY! No endcap or baffle strikes. 😬
Speaking of spanner wrenches- Be aware, dead air does not send the spanner wrenches you need with the wolfman or the key micro adapter if you order it. You will need to contact dead air to have them sent separate.
Thanks for the review.
Thank you for watching!
Awesome Video!!! You explained the Xeno very well. Love your channel!!!!😃
As always first class video & explanation of these systems. We’ll done sir!
the a2 look is what is great to me. i want to build a m4a1 clone but i want to be able to suppress it. kind of hard to do with a pinned and welded standard a2.
Fcd xeno flash hider looks pretty close to an a2 and can be p/w with a 14.5.
Last two times with my Xeno setup and it was a pain for me and the RSO’s to get my suppressor off. I’m not even strong enough to muscle the suppressor on that tight. Gonna bring a wrench next time
Yeah I’m a fan..
See, this is the type stuff that should be in suppressor school 😂. Yeah I know I just watched it and it made perfect sense, but it would be awesome to see all these type mounts in person.
Again, I appreciate the suggestion on this from earlier
Dude I just had to deal with shims with the socom rc2 and I am praying for proper alignment. The can is in jail for a bit so when I get it I will definitely check alignment TWICE. Great video!
Great video! Thanks for your constantly awesome contents.
Unless multiple guns/suppressors are being switched frequently, I'm not sure how the Xeno is advantageous over a direct thread. Unless I'm misunderstanding, it seems like the Xeno brake can walk off the barrel (unless rocksett'd), and the Xeno adapter can loosen off the can during shooting, no different than how a direct thread adapter can loosen. Is there a reason to add one more thread that can potentially loosen with the Xeno when direct thread can be used?
Five rounds... I feel your pain brother!
Fantastic music score!!
Hey neighbor, haven’t seen you in a while but good job as always man 👍👍👍👍👍
I think this is now on my favorite mount list. I just wasn't sold on the keymo because of its weight and length.
Man, id this will allow my old gmt halo can to work on their first bfa groove I think ill switch to this for my rex mg7 and recored HVT QM... I am using thr plan a so far and its my favorite bc of their MD selection but this one with the apparent ability to use both the XENO mounted cans AND my gmt halo... Thats a friggin no brainer!
Excellent... Thank you!!!
Another top notch video.
Really appreciate that man!
Excellent info. I was wondering about this mount as it's so new with few reviews. Definitely an excellent evolution for silencer mounts that I'll consider for future purchases.
Appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
6:18 I would have went with "cleaner than a bottle of baby shampoo" lol
Great video. Wish you had the ASR to compare too since I'm currently running one and want to expand my suppressor inventory
Great review
Thanks man! Really appreciate that !
Canadian so i cant have any suppressor but i do really like the looks like a flash hider part. always hated that suppressor mounts always looked weird to me
Still feel like the KeyMo is still superior regardless of the additional weight and length.
Are there any alternatives you would recommend instead of the xeno? Area 419? Rearden? Liberty precision machine? Yhm kurz? Just bought a nomad 30 as my first can and I still have yet to buy a host mount or adapter and wanted to get a few recommendations first. Thoughts?
Left hand threads like OSS cans. Crazy right
Yup! OSS been doing that for a long time. Thanks for watching.
You guys always put out quality content. I'm also a habitual Asylum member...
Really hoping you guys get one of the Nomad XC’s!!
Hey that's Kanye west instrumental in the back. Runaway. I love that song
I wish Xeno was as short as plan B
Nice video and very informative and very entertaining and very satisfaction more videos.
What about mechanic guns also.
5 rounds? 5 rounds? Someone's a prepper
I just like to think of myself as "ammo conscious" lol! Thanks for watching!
Great video
“Thank God it’s almost over.” Aged like milk. GREAT VIDEO though. Your vids are truly excellent.
YHM QD master race checking in. YHM QD adapter is only $95 compared to keymo at $240. :)
I'm with you, can't stand to time all the brakes. It is a PITA to do them and using more than one shim I think is a problem. At 2:50 you show a line of muzzle devices and in there is a Keymo that looks like it was cut off? Thinking about cutting off a few ASR brakes I have. Ever seen that done with an ASR? want to use the mount in a few applications but not the brake, I have them so why not cut them off and use them... Thoughts on that? I do plan on trying a few Xeno flash hiders and a mount. They look great. Thanks for the review.
Is there a xeno to Silencerco 36M adapter?
Is the xeno flash hider long enough to pin and weld it to a 14.5” barrel for total length 16”
He showed you a picture of the Xeno next to a standard flash hider, so that should answer your question.
Use a stack of washers if its not
@@kaneanderson3924 14.5” barrel with standard A2 flash hider is .2” short to meet the 16” minimum requirement. That’s what the extended a2 was produced for the pin and weld.
@@MrCuervo22779 crush washers are a no go for use with a suppressor, much less stacking “washers”. This design is for use without shims thus no timing needed.
@@RD4059 well that went over your head. The needed info was in the video or on the innerwebs if one was so inclined to inform themselves. This of course warranted snarky replies from myself and others. A topic such as this is easy to find info on. This person obviously wants to be spoonfed and I chose to put a little bit of scat on that spoon. May you have a happy and prosperous 2021, friend.
I work overseas (figure it out) for a company. Today I was told that to count all the ammo in my arms room and the get rid of everything over a set amount per weapon I have. So we counted 18,000 rounds we are going to burn. Crying shame and I can’t find any at home.
Some of these companies should be paying you guys for marketing 😂
Back in the summer the pics/previews were RH threads so I went with Area419. Damn shame for DA.
Nothing wrong with Area 419! They're stuff is amazing. Thanks for watching!
Did you have any trouble with the Xeno mounted suppressor walking off the muzzle device or loosening during shooting?
Does anyone happen to know how much the flash hider protrudes in a can?
1.2 inches
The problem with left hand threads is.. as you tighten your can on you’re loosening your hub every time
Tripod setup video? 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I’ve never had an issue with the ASR mount
EH H IM A KEYMO KINDA KID LOL. IM SOLD ON THE KEYMO FROM BEFORE AND STILL AM. BUT THIS IS COOL. GOTTA LOVE ANYTHING FROM D.A
Dang. Never experienced the ASR mounts locking together. Not looking forward to that.
Almost at 100K
Getting ever so close! Tell all your friends lol! Thanks for watching man!
When will you review the Q Mini Fix and is the action shorter than the Howa mini action?
Hopefully soon, kind of making sure all this brace stuff is really put to rest for awhile anyway. Because I do use the gun throughout pretty much the entire video against “guidance”. The throw should be the same as both are meant for a 45mm round. The bolt throw is only 70 degrees though, making the Fix potentially faster in action. Thanks for watching.
@@AlabamaArsenal
Thanks for the response! I love your channel and I watched your video about the JTAC Elf Owl. Glad have discovered this channel.
I’m glad you did too brother!
Thanks for the videos! I’ve been watching for a few months now. What part of AL are you from? How long is it taking the ATF to approve and issue a tax stamp for a suppressor?
No mention of the KURZ which is a quarter of the size..?
I don’t believe you measured the overall length impact of the Keymo because it overlaps the muzzle device and results in a shorter overall length to the end of your barrel. I believe that’s the best way to compare.
Overall great video as always.
Did that starting at 9:42.
I agree. The Xeno might be shorter at the barrel to muzzle device junction but the keymo sits further back and thus has a shorter overall length in terms of total suppressor length added to firearm.
Hello. Excellent an informative video!! Where can I get that Xeno and what are your thoughts on that being on DDM4V7 16”?? Thank you an thank you for your timely response
love these videos! Thanks for the info!
This attaches the same as my OSS Helix 7.62 silencer. The reason I use it on my precision rifles instead of Dead Air. I guess I’ll be able to try my Nomad 30 at distance now. Lol
How do you like your OSS?
@@lukefleming3782 I love my OSS, it doesn’t cause the malfunctions that my others silencers cause because of the low back pressure
@@2269Bdm Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it! I'm trying to decide on my first suppressor and the OSS seems pretty interesting
When you said you only had the 1/2×28 mount are you meaning the muzzle device or the mount that goes in the back of the suppressor??? Meaning will I have to buy multiple xeno mounts in different sizes and swap them around if I wanted to use the same suppressor for 223 and 308 or will 1 mount work with both 223 and 308 muzzle devices??
Runaway as fast as you caaaan...
She found pictures in my email..
Would the Rugged Obsidian 45 be able to take the KeyMod Mount like I assume the SiCo Hybrid does? If so might have to drill out some keymod brakes to 45 and put on all my 9mm and 40sw fixed barrels.
So I’m theory the xeno should still work with the nomad 30 on an 8.3” barrel with a 9” hand guard?
It’s crazy that the Keymo system weighs about 20% more than the Nomad Ti suppressor. I’m definitely not using a suppressor mounting system that weighs more than my suppressor.
Can the Xeno have the opposite problem as the Plan B when tightening the suppressor? I feel that I'd be afraid to overtighten the suppressor and then the muzzle could be loosened.
In theory it’s possible, but less likely. You should only have to snug up a suppressor to the mount. While after shooting the silencer could be hot needing more force to remove, and you’d be tightening a Xeno at that point. In reality either should be installed with thread locker or torqued to a spec greater than that you can achieve just putting a silencer on. Thanks for watching
@@AlabamaArsenal
Thanks! This is my first suppressor.
Would you recommend choosing one qd over the other or just going direct thread?
Looking for a system with accuracy retention, use on multiple guns and suppressors. Not too concerned about use without suppressor, i.e. having the Xeno mount also be a flash hider. Would you stick with 419 Hellfire adapters or DA Xeno?
Both would be an excellent choice. In my opinion if you’re mainly talking bolt guns I might go with Area419. If you have both bolt guns and some semi’s I might go Xeno. But really either one would work very well. Thanks for watching man.
@@AlabamaArsenal Thanks. I run mostly bolt guns and have some odd threads 419 would have. Appreciate the response, you run the best gun channel on TH-cam.
Would the plan B on the nomad fit over the xeno flash hider or brake? Unique situation here. I just hate that q makes everything in that awful color. Never mind there opposite threads
Will the Q whistle tip/bottle rocket fit on the Xeno brake to protect those outside threads?
Nope
Do the zeno flash hider or comp not have different diameters for calibers they're going on? Is the thread pitch all that matters and the diameter of the hole just universal?
Anyone know what the Xeno muzzle brakes will look like? I’ve only seen flash hiders available.
Only the flash hider is out currently, but I imagine it will looks somewhat like Knights Armament MAMS break. Thanks for watching!
I still don’t understand why… They already have the keymo. And before anyone says anything yes I watched the whole video but I’m still just not understanding why add this when you already have the keymo and just came out with the micro key.
I'm not sure, but apparently the guys paid enough to make those decisions felt it was worth while. But I do see your point, the keymo is a very good mount. Thanks for watching!
Weight savings alone!! Then add threading that won’t carbon lock and total length to the slick left hand threads design to keep the muzzle device and suppressor from coming off together....sheitte I’d say they hit this out the park. Even Q will have to tip their hat to them on this😬
It’s shorter and lighter than the Keymo system.
Its a big 🖕 to Kevin ( Q )
@@twistinprops604 naw, I’m sure they will appreciate making it better, they might of even given their ok on it for all we know.