Hello nice video. So would you say it’s worth getting the bass boss over the RCF? For loud and clean. Also how many amp does it needs to plug on a breaker? Thank you.
They are both great speakers, I don't think you would be disappointed with either. I think you should decide on which type of dispersion you prefer? The RCF is narrow and the Bassboss is 120 degrees. They both get loud and are clean. I personally use the DV12 MK2 now and I cannot say how many you can put on a breaker. They are very efficient and pulled less power than my Evox 8's when I measured them on my amp meter. They also can be crossed over at 4 preset points. The more low end you take out the more you can run (This is when you run with subs). Hope that helps.
Hey! BASSBOSS advertised 3000 RMS a year ago when we bought and now they deleted those specs and listed it as 3000 TOTAL power!! They lied a year ago!!!! Do you have a screen shot or print out of their specs from the time of your video???
I do not have the specs. The DV12 in this video was the MK1. I think the power actually went up slightly on MK3. I thought it was 3000 RMS on the powersoft amplified models.
@@FinestEventssyes that’s what they advertised a year ago 3000 RMS but now they took that down and selling as 3000 total power, which would make it only 1500 RMS. Why would anyone pay over 3K for 1500 RMS?!
@@FinestEventssfor sure!!! It’s hard for me to justify my purchase of the pair of MKII last year if the RMS is only 1500 not 3000 like they advertised it to be. Pissed really!!! 🤬
have any of you heard the new BassBoss subs? I have not heard the mk2’s but I do know they have given the new ones more power, better hardware and software. The DV12’s saw a decent improvement with the MK3’s so I’m assuming the subs did too. I bought the 18 with the 4 ports in the corners and man is that thing loud, low, and accurate. My RCF 18 doesn’t even come close to the BassBoss 18. As far as the DV12 MK3’s they are superior to any 12’s I’ve ever owned including my RCF’s the I upgraded from. The clarity, accuracy, and dispersion are unmatched and the dispersion is like that of a line array.
What RCF’s did you have? As for subs, I have yet to hear better than Bassboss. The DV12 is an excellent speaker but its downfall is the weight and ergonomics. If handling on your own they aren’t fun. However, the sound quality is excellent. I have heard from other users that MK3 isn’t much better than MK2 if at all but I haven’t tested that with my own ears. I recently had a chance to compare the Meyer Ultra x40 to the DV12 and the Meyer box is the only one I have found that literally destroyed it. However it’s nearly double the price. For the money, and they are expensive, Bassboss is a great choice.
@@FinestEventssI have the Jmix8 and j8 for mains and the 18” 708 ASII for the sub. Honestly they sound pretty good but no comparison to the BB DV12’s MK 3’s. The RCF sub is ok but does not project like the BB. I don’t find the DV12 to be awkward to carry and most of the time I transport them on a small cart. As far as putting them on the stands, I just lay them on their side on the cart, then stick the stand in the bottom of them and lift them up. I tried to lift them up onto the stands when the stands were upright, but they are too heavy to try to manipulate that way. I know some people say they don’t like the way the DV12’s look but I think they are awesome looking. When I was in Sweetwater, I tested out RCF’s upper line and still thought they could not compare to the clarity of the bassboss 12’s. They definitely could not cover the low end like the bosses can and the bosses sounded much flatter and accurate to me.
@@bsbarber73 if they weren't awkward you wouldn't have to lay them down and put all that pressure on your sub pole to lift them up. I know another guy that does that but I don't trust putting that pressure on 4 tiny screws. You should be able to easily lift them up but its hard because of the design and weight. I also have VS21's and when they are in the upright position you have to get on a ladder to get them on the poles (Unless you're super tall). I almost killed myself a few times when I was stuck on my own because there were no where to grab and I was in an odd position on a ladder. Not doubting its sound at all. I like the sound of the DV12 too and have made a suggestion to Bassboss to make a lighter version that is designed to be used with subs with better ergonomics. Meyer X20 is 27lbs and just as loud if not louder than the DV12. Clarity is better too. It is also a wooden cabinet . This is how I know David can do it because its been done.
@@FinestEventssI don’t typically put them on the sub. Usually the sub is center stage. If and when I get another sub I will probably do that and actually might be easier to lift if standing on the sub. My tripods are beefy and hydraulic so really it is one motion and they go up quick. The ones you mentioned I’m sure are great but no way I can afford double the cost per speaker. Don’t make enough off of gigs to justify spending any more than I did. Maybe later down the line but just bought these and pretty happy for now.
@@bsbarber73I totally get it. Do what works for you. I misunderstood how you were doing it. They are great speakers, I used them for years and still would be if they were lighter.
@@FinestEventss they don't. Other manufacturers give theoretical spl levels at 4 times RMS. While BassBoss give measured spl. A 12 or 15 inch top in a basreflex configuration cannot go beyond 130db at 1000w.
Did you match gain? Have the speakers volumes all the way down and turned off. Bring the boards output level to +12dbu with Pink Noise. Turn on 1 speaker and bring its volume up on the back until the limit light just starts to flash and turn it off and don't touch the volume knob again on the speaker. Next do the other speaker the same way and again don't touch its volume knob again. Don't change the boards +12 dbu output when setting these gains for both speakers. With this done both speakers will reach full output with the same input. Of course you can turn the board down now and do your testing. If both speakers are not gain matched.(input sens.) Then one may be louder than the other but will reach full output first which is not an accurate test. This at least will get you in the ball park. ( Of course if +12dbu is too much with the speakers volume all the way down you can lower your boards output some. Again the idea is to have both speakers reach full output at the same time with the same signal.)
This is what we did. We let both limit lights flash a bit while testing just to keep things equal. The DV12 recently had a DSP update. It sounds even better now. Be sure to watch video 3 and you will see the results. Thanks for watching!
@@FinestEventss Only one thing to consider. 2 different brands of speakers may have completely different idea's as to what goes on during limit. In some brands the limiter also effects the frequency response and spl broad band too. Also how those limiters are setup for each bandpass and how they react to music could be different also. In general once you setup for unity as I mentioned above you can then turn down the mixer and test the speakers 10 db's or so below limit. The SPL will have the same difference between the 2 speakers but the spl and frequency response will not include the limiter section effect on the output. As we all know if your running a speaker into limit you don't have a large enough system. Set unity between the 2 speakers at limit then drop the main's down and compare from there. Also next time check both speakers off axis at the same degrees off. Check both at 45 and both at 60 ( I'd have to watch the video again to see if it was 60 degrees ) A better reference to compare the two. Overall Great Work! Keep them coming. I would again setup unity then lower the output on the board so both speakers are no longer into limit. Just mute the board when switching between them and be sure to leave the boards output and volume on the back of the speakers untouched. This will show the correct volume difference. A small difference by the person turning up the speaker in back, speaker to speaker, measurement to measurement could easily throw the measurements off. Also place a single speaker at a time in the measurement location. Ported boxes resonate at a given frequency when soundwaves hit them. A speaker close to another speaker not putting out sound could resonate and this sound may cause low frequency content to come out. This added spl may be out of phase and cancel some frequencies with the speaker being tested. Its possible to have 2 different speakers with different phase responses to really cancel output in a given range. By testing 1 speaker at a time and having the other one covered or on the floor face down will help keep this problem from skewing the test results. You've done so much work you might as well get it as close as possible. Thumbs up!
@@douglasallen534 that took a lot of my time and I can tell you I just don't have the time to go run it all back. I also had to get clearance from the venue for a day, not to mention I have to send the Demo unit back. All I can say is I've listened to both, run pink noise while taking the best and most fair measurements I could in a real world scenario, and listened off axis. Ill personally stick with Bassboss. The DV12 sounds more to my liking and the dispersion is great for what I do. The 12 inch driver has an incredible amount of low end compared to the RCF when they are both compared in full range and doesn't have such a harsh sound at high volumes. Im not saying the TT is a bad speaker, its just not as good as the DV12 in my opinion. To each his own. Do yourself a favor if you are interested in either of these speakers, go listen for yourself. It wasn't an easy task as these models aren't sitting in your local guitar center, but I am very happy I did because I let my ears make the decision and not the specs released by the companies.
Pricing is listed on the Bassboss website. I’m not a dealer. You can get your best deals going thru places like Guitar center. They typically honor any specials they are running. Hope that helps.
As far as sending 600 watts RMS to a tweeter, there is no reason why you can't just use a heavily limited amp - the purpose simply to keep the signal as clean as possible for sound quality (low THD and peak clipping) reasons - even if in practice, you are using no more than 100 watts of it. I'd like to compare the Bass Boss with a Barefaced FR800.
Yep, folks who want a full blown DV 12 experience, might need to eq it, at 26 lbs (passive) the Barefaced Big Baby 3 is the cabinet. The powered version (FR800) was discontinued.
I pulled those specs from their site at the time of this review. Not sure why the discrepancy now but when I just rechecked, you are correct. A little over 57. Easier to manage because of the handle placement. Ergonomically speaking they are much better than the Bassboss, even the MK2 version of the DV 12.
But they sound better than every other 2-way 12 inch out there so Im good with the spray painted computer speakers. The DV12 MK2 released recently and even trumps these.
@@FinestEventss the bassboss play lower frequencies way better than any other 12 inch speaker ive heard, but when it comes to sound quality i prefer the rcf especially the TTL line of speakers. But yeah having a 12 inch speaker playing frequencies that low is insane
Lol... most people, including myself, would disagree with you. With the MK2 version of this its not even comparable. This particular RCF has little low end and the high end is boosted. RCF must pair with a sub where the Bassboss has a much flatter response within its advertised frequency range and can respectably hold its own without a sub. There really is no comparison and bassboss does it with smaller drivers.
This is a joke statement I dont what bassboss is doing but for a powered speaker company their products are insane...spl and clarity is ridiculous the bottom end is confusing though....that thing plays like it has a separate sub attached for such a small cab...its really crazy
Wow, made an entire video and we don’t get to hear em. Nice !!!!!!
Sorry about that but reality is you have no idea how they compare through your computer.
BASSBOSS FTW💯💯💯
Levels bro. Damn intro/out sound was crazy loud.
Would love to see if u can compare two speakers.. the RCF 735a Mk4 & the Turbosound iq15 .. if u ever get the chance
Unfortunately I don't have access to those units so I can't test them.
Hello nice video.
So would you say it’s worth getting the bass boss over the RCF? For loud and clean.
Also how many amp does it needs to plug on a breaker? Thank you.
They are both great speakers, I don't think you would be disappointed with either. I think you should decide on which type of dispersion you prefer? The RCF is narrow and the Bassboss is 120 degrees. They both get loud and are clean. I personally use the DV12 MK2 now and I cannot say how many you can put on a breaker. They are very efficient and pulled less power than my Evox 8's when I measured them on my amp meter. They also can be crossed over at 4 preset points. The more low end you take out the more you can run (This is when you run with subs). Hope that helps.
Hey question what type of speaker stand are those what brand where did u find them. Thank you.
They are K&M 19500 speaker stands. Nice because they get rid of the tripod look. They are very heavy duty too!
@@FinestEventss thank you
Thanks man! What model are your stands? looking nice!
Thanks! They are the K&M 19500
Hey! BASSBOSS advertised 3000 RMS a year ago when we bought and now they deleted those specs and listed it as 3000 TOTAL power!! They lied a year ago!!!! Do you have a screen shot or print out of their specs from the time of your video???
I do not have the specs. The DV12 in this video was the MK1. I think the power actually went up slightly on MK3. I thought it was 3000 RMS on the powersoft amplified models.
@@FinestEventssyes that’s what they advertised a year ago 3000 RMS but now they took that down and selling as 3000 total power, which would make it only 1500 RMS. Why would anyone pay over 3K for 1500 RMS?!
@@ekatp7148 interesting..... I'll have to look into that. The prices have went through the roof. Hard to justify at this point.
@@FinestEventssfor sure!!! It’s hard for me to justify my purchase of the pair of MKII last year if the RMS is only 1500 not 3000 like they advertised it to be. Pissed really!!! 🤬
have any of you heard the new BassBoss subs? I have not heard the mk2’s but I do know they have given the new ones more power, better hardware and software. The DV12’s saw a decent improvement with the MK3’s so I’m assuming the subs did too. I bought the 18 with the 4 ports in the corners and man is that thing loud, low, and accurate. My RCF 18 doesn’t even come close to the BassBoss 18. As far as the DV12 MK3’s they are superior to any 12’s I’ve ever owned including my RCF’s the I upgraded from. The clarity, accuracy, and dispersion are unmatched and the dispersion is like that of a line array.
What RCF’s did you have? As for subs, I have yet to hear better than Bassboss. The DV12 is an excellent speaker but its downfall is the weight and ergonomics. If handling on your own they aren’t fun. However, the sound quality is excellent. I have heard from other users that MK3 isn’t much better than MK2 if at all but I haven’t tested that with my own ears. I recently had a chance to compare the Meyer Ultra x40 to the DV12 and the Meyer box is the only one I have found that literally destroyed it. However it’s nearly double the price. For the money, and they are expensive, Bassboss is a great choice.
@@FinestEventssI have the Jmix8 and j8 for mains and the 18” 708 ASII for the sub. Honestly they sound pretty good but no comparison to the BB DV12’s MK 3’s. The RCF sub is ok but does not project like the BB. I don’t find the DV12 to be awkward to carry and most of the time I transport them on a small cart. As far as putting them on the stands, I just lay them on their side on the cart, then stick the stand in the bottom of them and lift them up. I tried to lift them up onto the stands when the stands were upright, but they are too heavy to try to manipulate that way. I know some people say they don’t like the way the DV12’s look but I think they are awesome looking. When I was in Sweetwater, I tested out RCF’s upper line and still thought they could not compare to the clarity of the bassboss 12’s. They definitely could not cover the low end like the bosses can and the bosses sounded much flatter and accurate to me.
@@bsbarber73 if they weren't awkward you wouldn't have to lay them down and put all that pressure on your sub pole to lift them up. I know another guy that does that but I don't trust putting that pressure on 4 tiny screws. You should be able to easily lift them up but its hard because of the design and weight. I also have VS21's and when they are in the upright position you have to get on a ladder to get them on the poles (Unless you're super tall). I almost killed myself a few times when I was stuck on my own because there were no where to grab and I was in an odd position on a ladder. Not doubting its sound at all. I like the sound of the DV12 too and have made a suggestion to Bassboss to make a lighter version that is designed to be used with subs with better ergonomics. Meyer X20 is 27lbs and just as loud if not louder than the DV12. Clarity is better too. It is also a wooden cabinet . This is how I know David can do it because its been done.
@@FinestEventssI don’t typically put them on the sub. Usually the sub is center stage. If and when I get another sub I will probably do that and actually might be easier to lift if standing on the sub. My tripods are beefy and hydraulic so really it is one motion and they go up quick. The ones you mentioned I’m sure are great but no way I can afford double the cost per speaker. Don’t make enough off of gigs to justify spending any more than I did. Maybe later down the line but just bought these and pretty happy for now.
@@bsbarber73I totally get it. Do what works for you. I misunderstood how you were doing it. They are great speakers, I used them for years and still would be if they were lighter.
The Bassboss max spl is real, RCF's is made up by the marketing team.
Lol, I feel like Bassboss under rates their stuff.
@@FinestEventss they don't. Other manufacturers give theoretical spl levels at 4 times RMS. While BassBoss give measured spl. A 12 or 15 inch top in a basreflex configuration cannot go beyond 130db at 1000w.
@@habdulahsalam agreed!
Did you match gain? Have the speakers volumes all the way down and turned off. Bring the boards output level to +12dbu with Pink Noise. Turn on 1 speaker and bring its volume up on the back until the limit light just starts to flash and turn it off and don't touch the volume knob again on the speaker. Next do the other speaker the same way and again don't touch its volume knob again. Don't change the boards +12 dbu output when setting these gains for both speakers. With this done both speakers will reach full output with the same input. Of course you can turn the board down now and do your testing. If both speakers are not gain matched.(input sens.) Then one may be louder than the other but will reach full output first which is not an accurate test. This at least will get you in the ball park. ( Of course if +12dbu is too much with the speakers volume all the way down you can lower your boards output some. Again the idea is to have both speakers reach full output at the same time with the same signal.)
This is what we did. We let both limit lights flash a bit while testing just to keep things equal. The DV12 recently had a DSP update. It sounds even better now. Be sure to watch video 3 and you will see the results. Thanks for watching!
@@FinestEventss Only one thing to consider. 2 different brands of speakers may have completely different idea's as to what goes on during limit. In some brands the limiter also effects the frequency response and spl broad band too. Also how those limiters are setup for each bandpass and how they react to music could be different also. In general once you setup for unity as I mentioned above you can then turn down the mixer and test the speakers 10 db's or so below limit. The SPL will have the same difference between the 2 speakers but the spl and frequency response will not include the limiter section effect on the output. As we all know if your running a speaker into limit you don't have a large enough system. Set unity between the 2 speakers at limit then drop the main's down and compare from there. Also next time check both speakers off axis at the same degrees off. Check both at 45 and both at 60 ( I'd have to watch the video again to see if it was 60 degrees ) A better reference to compare the two. Overall Great Work! Keep them coming. I would again setup unity then lower the output on the board so both speakers are no longer into limit. Just mute the board when switching between them and be sure to leave the boards output and volume on the back of the speakers untouched. This will show the correct volume difference. A small difference by the person turning up the speaker in back, speaker to speaker, measurement to measurement could easily throw the measurements off. Also place a single speaker at a time in the measurement location. Ported boxes resonate at a given frequency when soundwaves hit them. A speaker close to another speaker not putting out sound could resonate and this sound may cause low frequency content to come out. This added spl may be out of phase and cancel some frequencies with the speaker being tested. Its possible to have 2 different speakers with different phase responses to really cancel output in a given range. By testing 1 speaker at a time and having the other one covered or on the floor face down will help keep this problem from skewing the test results. You've done so much work you might as well get it as close as possible. Thumbs up!
@@douglasallen534 that took a lot of my time and I can tell you I just don't have the time to go run it all back. I also had to get clearance from the venue for a day, not to mention I have to send the Demo unit back. All I can say is I've listened to both, run pink noise while taking the best and most fair measurements I could in a real world scenario, and listened off axis. Ill personally stick with Bassboss. The DV12 sounds more to my liking and the dispersion is great for what I do. The 12 inch driver has an incredible amount of low end compared to the RCF when they are both compared in full range and doesn't have such a harsh sound at high volumes. Im not saying the TT is a bad speaker, its just not as good as the DV12 in my opinion. To each his own. Do yourself a favor if you are interested in either of these speakers, go listen for yourself. It wasn't an easy task as these models aren't sitting in your local guitar center, but I am very happy I did because I let my ears make the decision and not the specs released by the companies.
Hey sup I'm tryin to get price dua 8 can you help me find it from bass boss
Pricing is listed on the Bassboss website. I’m not a dealer. You can get your best deals going thru places like Guitar center. They typically honor any specials they are running. Hope that helps.
Your voice resonates in the whole room like a processed one what mic you used when recording this video
No external mic was used. Just the internal mic of the camera
As far as sending 600 watts RMS to a tweeter, there is no reason why you can't just use a heavily limited amp - the purpose simply to keep the signal as clean as possible for sound quality (low THD and peak clipping) reasons - even if in practice, you are using no more than 100 watts of it.
I'd like to compare the Bass Boss with a Barefaced FR800.
Yep, folks who want a full blown DV 12 experience, might need to eq it, at 26 lbs (passive) the Barefaced Big Baby 3 is the cabinet. The powered version (FR800) was discontinued.
Online resources say the RCF is 57lbs, not the 60 something you mentioned.
I pulled those specs from their site at the time of this review. Not sure why the discrepancy now but when I just rechecked, you are correct. A little over 57. Easier to manage because of the handle placement. Ergonomically speaking they are much better than the Bassboss, even the MK2 version of the DV 12.
@@FinestEventss would you say it’s worth it to invest the the TT25Amk2 or go 945A or NX45A?
@@gaffle-411 unfortunately I don’t have any experience with those other boxes and couldn’t give an informed opinion.
bassboss vs rcf but no sound ))
Take the tt all day long
If you like boosted highs and no lows have at it.
@@FinestEventss 🤦🏽♂️🤣🔊
Bafle bass boss no volumen control
This is not god or yes?
Man, that Bassboss is ugly as hell, looks like a cheap computer speaker form the 90s that some kid pimped up by spray painting the tweeter
But they sound better than every other 2-way 12 inch out there so Im good with the spray painted computer speakers. The DV12 MK2 released recently and even trumps these.
@@FinestEventss the bassboss play lower frequencies way better than any other 12 inch speaker ive heard, but when it comes to sound quality i prefer the rcf especially the TTL line of speakers. But yeah having a 12 inch speaker playing frequencies that low is insane
Wow dude….no one cares but you
I heard them ... bass bos is a joke compared to rcf ... they sound like auto speakers :)))
Lol... most people, including myself, would disagree with you. With the MK2 version of this its not even comparable. This particular RCF has little low end and the high end is boosted. RCF must pair with a sub where the Bassboss has a much flatter response within its advertised frequency range and can respectably hold its own without a sub. There really is no comparison and bassboss does it with smaller drivers.
@@FinestEventss this guy above apparently has no clue what he’s talking about. Auto speakers? Come on man!
@@dj_dannygee lol 😂 not a clue 🤦♂️
RCF is good but you got to be stating this without even hearing them. lol I upgraded from RCF to Bassboss and they are way superior to RCF.
This is a joke statement I dont what bassboss is doing but for a powered speaker company their products are insane...spl and clarity is ridiculous the bottom end is confusing though....that thing plays like it has a separate sub attached for such a small cab...its really crazy