My Plex server is embarrassing.. And I'm done with GPU's!
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The amount of times I’ve head “I’m just going to lift this up onto the trash can and get my grip” right before a disaster is astonishing.
iStarUSA has the rails you want. TC-RAIL-26, Supported Chassis: up to 29" deep and Supported Cabinet: 28.4" to 39" deep.
power outage: keeping plex up and running not a huge need. Have it auto shutdown properly, because there would be a time where you're away and the power goes out.
Also, I'd use a rack shelf if you're having problems finding rails, and you could put your NAS drives on something besides your UPS'.
8:24 I love the reactions from your cat when you said she or he is for sale 😂😂😂
I took my p2000 out of my last build and running a 10th gen proc with butt load of memory and never looked back. Made a world of difference.
I am working on building one now. Can you share your build?
Did you use a i5, i7 or i9?
How's it handling 4k transcodes?
Coming from a commercial IT background, when it comes to power, you have to ask yourself, what are you trying to achieve??
If you have a power outage in your area, your LAN may stay alive due to your UPS's, but you are going to lose your Plex clients and TV.... Unless you protect them with a UPS as well !!
Therefore, in your situation, the whole point of the UPS is to have enough runtime to be able to safely shut down your servers and NAS's.
There is really no point in trying to get yourself into a position where you are able to still watch a movie, when your whole neighborhood is out !
Yes 100% agree with this (again commercial background) however I would want to caveat this by saying assuming you have an NVR and the cameras are powered via POE (and perhaps a VOIP system as well) you want to maintain this as long as reasonably possible as I have had multiple clients with issues of thieves breaking in and cutting the power lines.
If Wi-fi is still up you could use the server from your phone.... If you really wanted too I guess
@@jpsimmonds-au That's a valid point about the CCTV. In fact I'd now go so far as to suggest that the CCTV is more important than the Plex server.
If it's that important to you to have all your tech running, then investing in a sub panel with a generator hookup is probably a better strategy.
@@robertt9342 Yes, but not always possible where this client is they cannot have a generator unless its a major event (power out in the whole area for an extended period) due to noise regulations in this case. depending on where your located this can be the case in many more residential areas
The motherboard, on the floor, with a processor mounted and a cat stepping across it. You like to live dangerously good sir. Love it!
😂 this is officially one of my favorite videos to date
I'm using a i9 10900 (non unlocked) in my Plex server, and it dominates. I do all HEVC and a lot of 4K. It has zero trouble with transcoding multiple 4k videos including HDR down to SDR.
Yeah even my 9900k with quicksync on doesn't struggle at all. I've actually never seen anything over a few % change from idle to transcoding. Super nice not having to have a GPU.
@@Ky-vv8nj I'm getting the same results from mines "9900k" as well. I was surprised by how well it runs.
Hmm I have my Plex on a 9900k as well didn’t realize the built in gpu did a good job for transcoding may have to give that a try
I would install a horizontal brace between those flimsy support rail shelves.
same as they look a bit bowed, if it were me i would get some flat stock aluminum or steal and make a bracket to span under the server from one rail to the other, which might prevent it from crashing down if the little screws on the rails snap where it adjusts for length (ive had some like that)
I always like to make sure my server has enough CPU grunt to do the minimum work. My concern would be that something happens with codecs that would break the GPU transcoding of quick sync.
will you have enough PCI-E lanes if you go with a 10th or 11th gen intel CPU?
Ultimately, the best thing is to avoid doing transcoding to start with. It's better to get media devices to hook to the TVs that can accept your video files as-is and not require the Plex to do any heavy lifting to stream it to the device.
Do you know of any devices that can handle subtitles (.ass, pgs, etc...) without transcoding? I have a shield pro but some sub formats force transcoding.
@@aaronbeckwith2936 Thank you!
@@whataweirdrequirement - I'm currently playing a movie on my FireTV Cube (1st gen) with
Video: 4K (HEVC Main 10 HDR) - Direct Play
Audio: English (AC3 5.1) - Direct Play
Subtitles: recommending
I like the idea of your automatic sub panel. I have a manual transfer switch on my sub panel. It would be fun to see the new intel iris Plex server build. It’s tempting to buy the new m1x Mac mini to use as s Plex sever.
I have the same case and was lucky to not break my rails. You really need 2 people being extra careful to make sure it is going on right. As for it not going in all the way - mine did that but after giving it a good push it went in. I just hope I never have to take it out again
"The Cat in the Rack Knows a lot about That"
Really enjoy these vlogs, Jason. 👍🏻
Thank you. 🙏
Really enjoy these types of videos that you put out. I am looking forward to seeing which route you end up going for your plex server. Do you have any interest in virtualizing your BlueIris server within your plex hardware? Setting up a VM within UnRAid could pull this off better utilize your hardware and save you some rack space / cooling / space on your UPS
Good name
My Plex server is my 5 bay Synology and works great. You're nuts! Entertaining, but nuts!
Yeah I got a 2 bay 720+ synology I'm good with for my plex server
@@brotha1984 Yeah, Jason has completely lost it.
He is entertaining. I wouldn't let him anywhere near any computer I owned or was responsible for, of course. LOL
I went the route of running a Truenas server for Storage with an Intel Xeon Silver processor with a 4U and 2U chassis containing 16+12 drives, then hooked this up to a dedicated Plex server running an AMD 3900x with a P2200 which also runs Sonarr, Radarr and NZB get. Now thinking of changing up the Plex server to a dedicated Intel 11th i7-1100k only for Plex and reuse the 3900x for other tasks. For me, the most important thing was to have Fast, safe and reliable storage and it doesn't get better than Truenas with ZFS.
What are you using your x2 Synologys for?
I think this video showed why he's getting around to getting rid of extra stuff.
Noticed that too
@@fr3324nic8 lol im like where she come from.
@@madjames2392 "now i ain't sayin she a gold digger..."
Lift with the knees lmao.
With a goal of keeping the services running as long as possible in the event of a power outage, stick with a gpu, condense the bare metal by going with VMs and pass through the GPU to the plex VM. Then you could connect just 1 machine to the APU instead of drawing to power multiple machines.
Looks like a proper home lab/network setup to me!
every backup will need to be a plus 1, what I mean is your source ups will have to be bigger than all load below to be efficient, and so forth and so forth
I use 10th gen intel for my Plex-Emby server for the last few months, also serves as my BlueIris server with 9 cameras, no problems at all and transcodes just fine.
Do you think the dedicated Intel Xe GPUs will change the game when it comes to transencoding?
If they have QuickSync functionality then yes. That's the "beast" part.
Nice setup.
Any idea on why my GTX 960 in windows pc is runing at 60+ % of VRAM and after passing and unpausing it drops down to 17% of VRAM ?
So say I had a 11900k with 64gb of ram. How many 4k to 1080 transcodes do you think it could do?
What about using a i5 11500 you get the latest iGPU UHD 750 ?
Maybe consider just getting a subpanel next to you main panel where you can have a generator hooked up with the circuits you want to keep going during power outages. You can also have a battery bank with solar or wind etc.
Would you mind sharing the model number of your server chassis?
Just curious if you will be selling the old mobo/cpu/ram combo at some point? You old stuff is light years ahead of my current plex setup! (Old old AMD quad core with 16 GB of RAM running Xpenology)
Great video Jason. Something to keep in mind about keeping plex up and having redundant power. If your home loses power, then you will not have internet connectivity. Especially is your block of the grid goes out - as it typically does during failures. If that's the case, your ISP's router and switching hardware in your area will likely also be out, so it wouldn't matter if your server is spinning or not.
I only mention this because the exact same thing happened to me. I had my nighthawk router and plex server both on a UPS when power when out, but the local ISP network was down rendering my redundancy useless.
This is partially incorrect. If your ISP goes down your Plex server will still operate 100% fine on your LAN. As long as your server, router and TV have some backup power you can enjoy all your hosted content 24/7 regardless of your ISP being up or down. The only thing that would not function would be remote streaming, however with something such as the UniFi LTE you could easily have 4G/LTE failover that works automatically whenever your ISP goes down so yeah you could even remote stream when the power and ISP are offline.
I have a 10850K plex server --- the iGPu handles 2 4k streams by itself just fine with no GPU. I have no reason to get a gpu, especially with the prices they are at unless I choose to convert my server to a gaming server as well.
that is very interesting, how much system RAM? I have a P4000 and it seems to handle 5-6 4k transcodes at once.
@@jackrobb1609 only 32gbs. And i am running a deceny amount of dockers
And i havent tested with more than 2. Honestly never have needed more than that
What chassis is the server?
Quick question: Do you remotely backup Zuess and Loki and what does that cost??
With your power question, the question I have for you is how often does your power go out that you would need a battery backup for your battery backup with a generator? if its that bad where you are I would look into moving. but I would have a solar panel keep a trickle change to first backup. this will start to recharge when the sun comes up.
Just run plex media server on the Intel NUC with the plex folders mapped to a large synology NAS setup.
That’s essentially how I run my setup. All the media on my synology. Started with Plex on the NAS. Moved to Plex running as a VM on my server and then built a server out of spare parts later on. I’m a big fan of having the Plex server and the storage separated.
Making good progress better then me lol...so what power backup supply do you use and why?
NEED HELP! I have no internet at my house and haven't for awhile all the tvs ran plex app and connect to server fine (hard wire not wifi). i pulled my server and took it to work to update all metadata. brought it back home and plugged it in. Now all my tvs say server is offline. I tried to connect with wifi and get the same respones. If i connect with wifi with my phone it sees the server fine and can play for a 1min since i dont have plex pass. The tvs can play movies from server with dlna still. i have tried manual on IP with no luck. When the app starts it knows the name of the plex server and my login info not sure if this is stored data. Anything else you might have for me to look at to fix issue.
I have the Intel Xeon E3-1225 v5 with P530 iGPU. It can do about 7-10 1080p transcodes before it starts chocking and buffering ( and this is with about 8 dockers and one Ubuntu VM running in the background ). I wouldn't try a 4K transcoding on it, but it gets the job done. As you said, running a discrete GPU is not for everyone. Modern Intel CPUs with integrated graphics cards offer more than more home servers need. And it should be significantly more energy-efficient too in comparison
I watch ads for you bro, keep it up Jason!🤓😎 I just use single network storage with multiple Intel quicksync accelerated servers. I can't wait to see the support and performance of the new Intel GPU's in the next 6-8 months.
There was a warning I heard about daisy- chaining battery backups. Is it okay to have your ups pulling from Homepower? I'd like to know how that turns out. If it is okay, I might do that too.
I had for years now a combo of a Dell OptiPlex Micro and a Synology 8 bay NAS for my plex setup. Would stay with a similar setup when I upgrade.
Buy some Rack mountable PDU's for the rack, to spread the UPS and House Power between your equipment.
10:25 NGL I shit myself when I saw that rail bow out to the side. You’d want to make sure that doesn’t happen while the server is in position. Some rails like that have the option to screw them into the side of a case. Perhaps just one screw hole lines up somewhere.
I would have taken a tie down strap and looped the rails and server in the center. Because you know as well as I do that rail is going to give at some point and the center is going to be the failure point.
There are probably seven answers to that question . I would say that if you are going with a 100% Plex only server , I would say that your gen 10 is a good idea. If you are running other stuff , I would go full on GPU. I started off with going the CPU route , but I run Unraid with a lot of other apps so I dedicated the P2000 to Plex so that I could peel cores off to other tasks .. I’ve build 27 data centers for the death star and we use power distribution power rose so we can switch between grid source A , grid source B , UPS, and Generator. The power rose would detect power drop and make a seamless transfer from grid A or B then use ups for warm transfer holding the IDC until the generator hit the required RPMs in the automatic spin up.
I'm surprised Plex didn't come by and snatch that badge off your server in disgrace.
Loving the new fan club!
What's the case? I'm looking at picking up the Rosewill 4412 since it has 12 hotswapable drives to make a NAS
Holy shit those cables.
I just noticed you have like two or three Synology NASes running on your rack. Why not just use Loki?
Looks like he has one 6 bay nas and the dx517 5 bay expansion bay… I did the same thing with mine.
at 8:23 the cats reaction to Jason made me laugh
You could totaly power your plex server with solar would be cool and have built in battery backups, the power that comes out of a pure sine wave inverter is cleaner than the grid. generators are very noisy both in sound and power
The home power idea is a lot like my setup.
I have garden diy solar with some batteries and a transfer switch for night-time, powering the ups that runs my main server, my chia server and my modem.
Sadly i don't have enough battery or solar to run my GPU miners at the moment (maybe if i can buy a house)
Front and back 2 or 4 u server shelfs mounted on front and back rails...
I just migrated to the i5-11500 platform with UHD 750 iGPU. No complaints. Thrashes the dual Xeon E5-2860 Dell server I was using previously. And the power savings! Granted I only have a handful of people streaming and I optimize all my 4K content to ease the load down the line, but I still feel it's definitely worth moving to a platform with the UHD 750 iGPU.
Let me guess, it's running Windows?
how is integrated for 4k video
Kinda curious about the new ryzen 5700g would the integrated graphics work as well as Intel?
Not with Plex, AMD it notoriously horrible at Plex transcoding but maybe things have changed.
AMDs VideoToolbox still has a long way to go, and Plex doesn’t support it well. Stick to Intel if you don’t want a discrete GPU
Cpu cooler could be rotated 90° if mounting will allow. The fins are blocking the cooling from the case fans in the current config. They could be utilizing the airflow from the case fans if rotated.
I have a Rizen 9 5950X and current 1660TI GPU for transcoding. I would like to upgrade my GPU. Any thoughts? Was thinking of the Quadro RTX A5000.
You going to use unraid for this ? Don’t think you can pass through intel gpu on unraid
2 dollars for the cat? SOLD!
They make generic wings for UPS's definitely get a set of those before the ones you have drop your server on top of your synologies. Also if you're not worried about water there's no reason to have your server that high in your rack.
igpu is the wave right now
Grab a Kill-A-Watt and check your PSUs. Your server may already do what you want. There is a very good chance that the server uses only one PSU for power, until that one fails and the next one takes over. My dual PSU rack case does that; i.e. it does NOT load balance.
This is my Temporary .. I laughed, thinking of later video. "Ok guys its been 3 years and I need to fix mounting of my plex server". 😛😛
Do what I did, install two tesla powerwalls and have a dedicated circuit for your server & ups rack. I had it all done when I had the solar panels installed. Wote it all up under the same install and received the federal tax credit so in effect, it paid for itself. Just a thought.
why did i watch this, i regret this
ill happily take that old storage server
Can you use the integrated GPU for an output on unRAID and use it in a Plex docker?
Yes you can!
@@mrhay4 that's awesome
Until recently I was using a 1060 6GB for transcoding (unlocked of course) with my Xeon E3 setup. I found that I could swap CPUs for (another E3) one with integrated Intel GPU and never looked back. The setup uses less power and freed up a PCIE slot for a VM GPU. The Intel GPU is like you said, a beast. I have no regrets and my whole server still pulls 60-70W most of the time.
I just use a 5 year old AMD A8 7600 with 8 WD Red's in a JBOD and don't transcode anything. Handles 4K just fine. Why would anyone transcode? Seems silly to me.
Honestly, I find 4K transcoding useless, at least for me. Anything 4k should be played directly. One case scenario I can think of is when you are traveling, or somewhere else, you can transcode to watch your 4K collection on a slower internet.
What about 4K HDR transcoding? Thought you needed a dedicated GPU for that to work, or does it work on Integrated GPU too?
Also that rail flex when installing, wow so scared… Saying of the video: “It’s back in my rack” lol
Why not just use your server as a NAS and connect your NUC to it to pull files over the network and use that as your Plex server?
Re build Loki with an Intel Xeon W-1290p + SUPERMICRO X12SCZ-TLN4F + 128GB DDR4 ECC + unRaid, drop Blue Iris in favor of NxWitness (works on linux or windows), the 1290 should handle everything with ease.
APC makes some nice automatic transfer switches. We have them in all our twenty some IDFs.
Depending on how soon you want to build, the new Ryzen chips (that aren't out yet) will have integrated graphics also. Something to keep in mind if your build doesn't happen too soon.
AMD is a no go for transcoding. You definitely want to go Intel/Nvidia.
Would they have the equivalent of QuickSync? It's not the iGPU itself but the QuickSync that makes it a beast on Intel.
I'll take whatever servers you wanna get rid of 🤣
Get a transfer switch on your fuse panel and a generator outside keep your set up on your batteries
i5 8600T here, easily doing 6-7 60Mbps 4k HDR to 8Mbps 1008p SDR transcodes.
I don't think GPU transcoding is dead. I think it has its use cases. But the update is a great idea. Can't wait to see how things go with your power setup(working on the same), the updates to your server(wish I had the free time to drive down and buy Zeus from you).
I've been running a 9th Gen integrated intel for about 3 years, and it works great. It does sometimes give me trouble when people transcode 4k HDR content (I only let people who know what they're doing access my 4k stuff, but subtitles still tend to force transcoding). Other than that, it's worked fantastic - I've handled 8 simultaneous transcodes without issue. In a few years, I'll probably upgrade to a newer gen to try and improve 4k HDR with subtitles, but I plan on sticking with integrated graphics.
Question for you, not sure if you will see this or not. If I watch a movie on my plex server and pause it for a lengthy amount of time and then come back to it, it will play for like 1 minute and then it will pause and try to buffer indefinitely. The only solution is to close the chrome tab and open another one and reload plex and then it will play fine, have you ever ran into this?
I've been playing with PLEX for many years now and have tested GPU hardware acceleration and no hardware acceleration. I tested Plex on Ubuntu and windows on both bare metal and VM's. I also run my home networking hardware off Solar+battery Storage, so power usage is a big deal. I've concluded that running PLEX on a Bare Metal install of Windows on a Intel Chip works BEST. So I ended up picking up a Nice used Lenovo ThinkPad X390 with Intel i5-8365U. This has worked GREAT! I just link to my larger server for the Archive storage needs. This same laptop ALSO runs my Blue Iris security camera setup like a champ at the same time. Much more power efficient than running these two things on any sort of a VM with GPU passthrough. The laptop is the best $300 I've spent on my home setup in a while. Keep the videos coming, don't be ashamed of your setup!
iGPU isn't always an option on a "server" platform. Supermicro has some boards where the onboard gpu for the ipmi kills the ability to use the igpu. Ask me how much I wasted on a XEON before finding this out...
Use your NUC for transcoding and client server access, use your Synology(s) for media storage. For power saving and sound a NUC specific server seems like the way to go (There will be redundancy issues but performance and power savings would be worth the trade off this is a home your not Netflix). Also use the NUC for your Blue Iris. Get a quote from Tesla solar panels and powerwalls. The Tesla power software would be something I thing you would like.
I had a 5960, then I did a 9820x, now I have a 12700K
You might want to add up the total electrical load you're putting on the circuit you're using. Too much load and you'll flip the breaker. Don't ask me how I know :)
I have given up on gpu's (Nvid) for transcoding as well. I use Intel IGPU for my plex and have not had any regrets as of yet.
Zeus is grounded?!🤦♂️🤣
Suprised you don't have a gennie all ready, out where you live!
Anybody else get a little depressed after watching byte my bits videos, doing countless hours of research, building a kickass budget plex server (with a GPU) and then a couple months later discovering this video and hearing "GPU's are pointless".... well f*** me then I guess lol.
So, I'm running an i3-9100F, with 16G RAM, Plex running in a container using the nvidia compatibility layer with a 1660 Super. Videos are NFS mounted from NAS. I regularly have 3 or 4 concurrent transcodes going on (obviously, I've got the driver patch installed that circumvents the 2 stream limit). The whole server runs on a Mini ITX board in an NR200 case that's compact and dead silent. Why so much extra hardware for your server? The setup you're describing seems like so much overkill for very little return on investment. What am I missing here?
I'm thinking, a generac whole house generator. Electric start automatic and runs on natural gas.
I've been looking to get one of those for my house. Main reason being I have a well for water and have my own homelab datacenter (3 servers running vSphere, 1 server running TrueNAS).
I'm waiting to see how Intel's discrete GPUs stack up. If Intel has a gpu model that is low profile and can be powered by the pcie slot only. It might be a good solution for having quick sync regardless of the platform and won't get you stuck with a specific motherboard, socket and cpu generation. I currently am using my old AMD pc with a 1650 Super (which is limited to 2 streams with stock drivers) as my Plex server. Transcode isn't really that necessary since most of my clients can direct play but sometimes you need it to downscale to a lower bitrate.
I have two of those cases in 2u wings like yours. Get the 2u wings for it, they hold way more weight than that 1u you got. Also, mount it at the very bottom. You will have problems later mounting it at that height. Thats just too much dangerous weight to have on 1u shelf wings at that height.
Been running an i7 10700, no gpu, purely relying on quicksync in the processor for a year and a bit. It does 4K transcodes with no problem whatsoever