DLH was one of the best amateurs of all time, one of the best pro fighter of all time and yet at 39 is the best promoter in the business with Arum (a bad one). A true legend there is no one fighter since modern boxing history who achieve the half than DLH did.. never forget that .. a true Legend.. A did have a nice wife, the 2 best kids a father can have, a nice family job and I buy us a house 12 months ago.. One of my last dream : Meet DLH for just one minute of my life...
I had a distinct feeling Oscar would win going in. I figured vargas would be to slow not throwing enough seeing how Oscar fights hes very accurate and precise and consistent.You to match it if you want to win Sorry you lossed 😮😮 Vargas.
If i am not mistaken, it was summer of 2002. I watched this fight in a bar in toronto. Back in the days was real fighters putting real fights, Vargas had a heart of a lion, eventhough he was mismanaged and was thrown to the lions at an early age, He was the youngest champ in boxing histry. He fought tito,oscar,winkey,ike etc. He put a great show. Much respect to both of these guys.
I've always wondered how he was able to deliver such accurate assessments of a fight when they get so intense and so brutal. I'd be shouting in the microphone like "oh shit, oh shit, he's got him, it's over, it's fuckin over" LOL
De La Hoyas Cup Is way Too High, Gave Him an Unfair Advantage, Man If Vargas would be able to throw better Combos in that Fight, He would have Knocked De La Hoya Out Cold, He was a Beast. This is OSCAR DE LA HOYA HES TAKING IT TO ROUND FOR ROUND, THE MAN DESERVES AND HAS MY UTMOST RESPECT
well, one thing you and I can agree on is that Sweet Pea was something else, right? I remember when Oscar threw like 8 punches and Whitaker eluded them all. That guy had some amazing skills! I"ll have to go watch the second fight between Shane and Oscar. Maybe it was closer than I recall!
There have been plenty of fighters that have won titles at age 21 and 22. Tommy Hearns - 21, James Tony - 22, JCC Sr - 22, Ali - 22, Floyd Patterson - 22, Manny Pacquiao - 18(13 days before his 19th birthday). Vargas was 22 when he won the IBF title from Roman Campas.
Thats the attitude of any (most) fighter(s). Regardless of how he promoted the fight at press conferences and confidence he held in his abilities does not negate the fact his potential was not reached due to rushing a young stud against best in business. Just my opinion bro.
I love you man that's the BEST comment I've been reading since I'm a TH-cam user for 6 years.. And just one thing if Mosley beat him that's just because of steroids because don't think Mosley was using steroids just once because that's wrong.. And I agree for the draw against Mayweather because DLH was the champ.. and you cannot take the belt from him after this fight : that's another robberie.. And against B-Hop I think DLH was doing well but was not in great shape and that's why he did quit..
the market for boxing generates this type of capital. overpricing through marketing and multi party involvement. look at hollywood and other sports pro and amateur(NCAA basketball and football). social plights dont come into the equation as the demand for high level performance in these fields of entertainment is a separate operation.
@ncj25 Couldn't agree more. It was the fight he'd wanted even before he fought Trinidad and he couldn't back his words up. It's not like was some prospect, he'd already earned hard-fought wins over Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, and Raul Marquez, who were all very good fighters.
Vargas' win of over Winky Wright, although a close fight, was his most impressive victory considering that Wright went on to become a top p4p fighter. Vargas was rushed against Tito, but that is what made him as outstanding young fighter. Also Vargas' wins over Ike Quartey and then stopping Ross Thompson in the 4th was impressive. Thompson moved up to Super Middle Weight and went he distance with Jeff Lacy, who was built like a monster.
And I like your comment too because you are the only guy who like me speaks about DLH's interest in promotion at that time.. and that's why Arum Robbed him...
after all these years i found it greatly ironic that vargas got knocked and beaten up the moment his own back touched the ropes after all time he mauled de la hoya along them (granted it was late in a grueling and brutal fight)
Steroids don't help your chin, and Vargas was never the same after he fought Trinidad. But props to Vargas for never wanting an easy fight and doing it at such a young age.
I"m surprised Oscar didnt come out wearing a dress! Look at the bad ass look on Vargas. He sure thought he was the shit. He got beat up by a guy in a dress...LOL
I agree with that. Lennox never ducked anybody either though. Everybody ducked him. Bowe threw the belt in the trash so he wouldnt ahve to fight Lennox
Come on guys, Vargas was a very solid fighter, he gave Dela Hoya and Trinidad all they could handle. He did allot of talking but he fought with allot of heat and would not give up.
The juice never helped Vargas become a better fighter. The man was a tactician. A master of the conventional stance and offensive boxing. Physical ability was always second to his skill. This version of Vargas was all strength and rage. A bull brainlessly running his opponent down or Margarito without the superhuman chin. De La Hoya never finished Vargas' career, steroids did. If he was good for nothing else that night, it was disproving the heinous rumor that DLH had no chin.
that says more about his conditioning coach than Mayweather. Oscar's bastardized version of the mayweather style was a semi-distaster, imo. You can't carry your left that low with the pretense of relying on your shoulder for defense and still keep so much weight forward on your front foot like Oscar continued to. Floyd does it sometimes as a ruse to draw leads, but he has the reflexes and familiarity with the style to 'break the rules' like that. Oscar wasn't even properly taught the rules
it was actually not close, Oscar won a clear decision on points. The thing I respect about Oscar above many of the greats of the last 30 years like Leonard,Lewis,Floyd,Chavez etc is that he never backed down or ducked from any fighter ever win lose or draw you cant say that about many so called greats of the past 30 years.
1) PEDs do more than just 'give you muscle'. 2) Muscle MAKES YOU MOVE, there is a difference between athletic muscle and bodybuilding muscle. The right type of muscle doesn't 'make you tight'... far from it.
Vargas was on the down side here, IMO he was a much better boxer than he showed here. Especially against Winky Wright. All that muscle that Vargas put on only tires you out quicker and limited his flexibility. The muscle looks good, but unless you're naturally built it is not a good idea to put muscle on when your a boxer. Vargas was more successful when he was a little more loosely muscled. I have to had RIP Corrie Sanders, you are missed.
Ur rite, I'm not arguing the fact oscar beat that ass( reguardless).. But I havent seen this fight in years, I think I said the same thing when it happnd live....
fawwwwkkk noooo thats whatt got him muffed up..switching to a shoulder roll defense at that point in his career was not that beneficial...oscar has always had very solid text book defense
well of course that's y he was oscars trainer...u choose trainers on wat u want to work on & how good the trainer cres for u on not getting ur ass kicked...like freddy roach is a good too,rudy lias was another good coach he was my brothers trainer & terry norris too. lou dubba another 1 so many but u got to know if they have good defence & offence!!
Oscar wanted Vargas to waera himself out by hitting nothing but air and shoulders and arms...thats why he adopted those defensive techniques. he still managed to land his hook though
The reason why he used it was implicit in the context of my post. It was not the 'why' that was in question, but the efficacy of the shell when unaccustomed to it's benefits, namely, negating the right hand of your opponent and opening the roll-right counter. Understand that Oscar's best weapon has always been his left hook; made entirely useless when improperly using the shell and squaring your hips with your arms at your side. Stay in school.
Vargas was a pretty good boxer if he was not thrown to the lion at an early age, at 22 he was thrown to the deadliest puncher tito and at 24 Oscar out classed him. He was mishandled and rushed to early in his career. Why would a talented kid like Vargas been given steriod? Also I hate Merchant for discrediting Vargas and called him glass jaw.
Following the result of this fight, Vargas would test positive for "steroids" and be fined $100,000.00 This would signify the literal beginning to the end of his professional boxing career.
De La Hoya got away with wearing a very unusual high protector in this fight that protected him from body shots. Mosley's father Jack made sure this did not occur by alerting the commission before the fight that they would not fight him if he wore this type of belt protector. This type of protector is not good for a guy that likes to throw body punches and Vargas was always a great body puncher.
Lets make something clear, fighter and boxer isn't the same thing. I am a boxing fan and yes, I have been in the ring. Fighting is something different. I could do 1000 things fighting that I can't do boxing. MMA is more fighting than boxing. However, I prefer boxing. It's more of a sport. MMA you make a mistake and fight is over in 2 seconds. A lot of time the winner isn't the best fighter. Just because a little mistake or a slip.
The fight would've been over faster had he still been with Alcazar, just as Foreman said. Mayweathers style for oscar allowed him to get hit more and was more a slugger style. Oscar's boxer puncher style from alcazar would've dominated Vargas and Ko'd him sooner I believe. This was the best Vargas though, better than the one that Tito beat. The one that TIto beat was faster, but weaker and alot less educated. This Vargas that Oscar fought was the hungriest, strongest and fiercest Vargas to date.
yeah that filled the void for a couple of years....but last 2 years has been awful....I stopped watching that too....on the flip side I started watching football and basketball more and I have been happy with the competitive and entertaining results.
Smart indeed on the part of Mayweather. My question is, How long has he asked for drug tests? I never heard of it before his path crossed with Pacquiao's, when it seemed like testing was used a way out of the fight. What are your thoughts?
its not arithmatic, its boxing....it was a close fight, no doubt...I felt Felix pulled it out in the last few rounds by being the aggressor and chasing Oscar around the ring in his dresss (Oscars dress)..LOL
Non of Robert Garcia's fighters know how to box.. Just look at margacheatto, Brandon Rios, Nonito.
Oscar de la HOya is a legend no complaints
Classic Oscar. What a legend.
"Stay away from guys who eat caviar" George Foreman, classic.
Awesome!! Thanks for that! I was overseas in the military and missed this fight.
😊and 0 plop ppqoo1q1aa@quality qa a qa 1
man oscar's boxing is beautiful
DLH was one of the best amateurs of all time, one of the best pro fighter of all time and yet at 39 is the best promoter in the business with Arum (a bad one). A true legend there is no one fighter since modern boxing history who achieve the half than DLH did.. never forget that .. a true Legend.. A did have a nice wife, the 2 best kids a father can have, a nice family job and I buy us a house 12 months ago.. One of my last dream : Meet DLH for just one minute of my life...
I Love big George....he would be one of the twelve people of history I would invite to a dinner!
thanks for the video. it feels like i'm watching on payperview again.
I had a distinct feeling Oscar would win going in. I figured vargas would be to slow not throwing enough seeing how Oscar fights hes very accurate and precise and consistent.You to match it if you want to win Sorry you lossed 😮😮 Vargas.
Oscar was a true champ, he fought the Greatest Fighters When they were in there prime... Was sad to see him go.
Noy noticisas
Potato versus Potato, both weighing in at a resolution of 240p
Vargas got, what he deserved...
Great tactical fight ...
Vargas's main accomplishments are getting knocked out by Tito, DLH, and Mosley.
Vargas simply couldn't control his emotions they got the best of him and it cost him a fight
If i am not mistaken, it was summer of 2002. I watched this fight in a bar in toronto. Back in the days was real fighters putting real fights, Vargas had a heart of a lion, eventhough he was mismanaged and was thrown to the lions at an early age, He was the youngest champ in boxing histry. He fought tito,oscar,winkey,ike etc. He put a great show. Much respect to both of these guys.
Lampley has great quotes at climatic moments.
I've always wondered how he was able to deliver such accurate assessments of a fight when they get so intense and so brutal. I'd be shouting in the microphone like "oh shit, oh shit, he's got him, it's over, it's fuckin over" LOL
The best Mexican boxer I’ve ever seen was Salvador Sanchez what a nice man and great boxer
I miss these days of boxing, This was a great fight.
Vargas's translator is hilarious haha
De La Hoyas Cup Is way Too High, Gave Him an Unfair Advantage, Man If Vargas would be able to throw better Combos in that Fight, He would have Knocked De La Hoya Out Cold, He was a Beast. This is OSCAR DE LA HOYA HES TAKING IT TO ROUND FOR ROUND, THE MAN DESERVES AND HAS MY UTMOST RESPECT
"he did not have a six pack in his chin" lolll
well, one thing you and I can agree on is that Sweet Pea was something else, right? I remember when Oscar threw like 8 punches and Whitaker eluded them all. That guy had some amazing skills! I"ll have to go watch the second fight between Shane and Oscar. Maybe it was closer than I recall!
Thank you for this post.
oscar alwayz makes that combat!!!
Great fight from two warriors.
There have been plenty of fighters that have won titles at age 21 and 22. Tommy Hearns - 21, James Tony - 22, JCC Sr - 22, Ali - 22, Floyd Patterson - 22, Manny Pacquiao - 18(13 days before his 19th birthday). Vargas was 22 when he won the IBF title from Roman Campas.
Awesome
thx bro
damn i didnt know that, but u can tell he looks like mayweather with that shoulder roll
this is one of oscars greatest fights.
Right, that's why MMA is growing so fast..
oscar making a come back? he talks about it in my video
Thats the attitude of any (most) fighter(s). Regardless of how he promoted the fight at press conferences and confidence he held in his abilities does not negate the fact his potential was not reached due to rushing a young stud against best in business. Just my opinion bro.
La esquina,perjudico a vargas,estan locos.
I love you man that's the BEST comment I've been reading since I'm a TH-cam user for 6 years.. And just one thing if Mosley beat him that's just because of steroids because don't think Mosley was using steroids just once because that's wrong.. And I agree for the draw against Mayweather because DLH was the champ.. and you cannot take the belt from him after this fight : that's another robberie.. And against B-Hop I think DLH was doing well but was not in great shape and that's why he did quit..
the market for boxing generates this type of capital. overpricing through marketing and multi party involvement. look at hollywood and other sports pro and amateur(NCAA basketball and football). social plights dont come into the equation as the demand for high level performance in these fields of entertainment is a separate operation.
@ncj25 Couldn't agree more. It was the fight he'd wanted even before he fought Trinidad and he couldn't back his words up. It's not like was some prospect, he'd already earned hard-fought wins over Ike Quartey, Winky Wright, and Raul Marquez, who were all very good fighters.
Vargas' win of over Winky Wright, although a close fight, was his most impressive victory considering that Wright went on to become a top p4p fighter. Vargas was rushed against Tito, but that is what made him as outstanding young fighter. Also Vargas' wins over Ike Quartey and then stopping Ross Thompson in the 4th was impressive. Thompson moved up to Super Middle Weight and went he distance with Jeff Lacy, who was built like a monster.
Damn i remember watching this fight threw my neighbors window lol. when i was 12yr old
Best fight 2024 still
Golden beast boy ❤
I remember when Shane Mosley beat the brakes of Vargas...haven't heard from him since. lol
And I like your comment too because you are the only guy who like me speaks about DLH's interest in promotion at that time.. and that's why Arum Robbed him...
after all these years i found it greatly ironic that vargas got knocked and beaten up the moment his own back touched the ropes after all time he mauled de la hoya along them (granted it was late in a grueling and brutal fight)
mexico produces the most champs,they are the best
the defensive lessons he learned from Mayweather Sr helped Oscar avoid a lot of punishment
Fernando Vargas may have had a six pack in his stomach, but he did not have a six pack in his chin - Larry Merchant
WHAT IN THE FUCK?
Man how important was de la Hoyas left jab during his career. Wow a thing of beauty
Steroids don't help your chin, and Vargas was never the same after he fought Trinidad. But props to Vargas for never wanting an easy fight and doing it at such a young age.
Awsome fight!!!
I"m surprised Oscar didnt come out wearing a dress! Look at the bad ass look on Vargas. He sure thought he was the shit. He got beat up by a guy in a dress...LOL
great fight!
De mis peleas preferidas, recuerdo cómo odiaba a De la Hoya y lo que sufrí en esta victoria se recuperó con el KO que le propinó B-Hop...
😂🎉
Chavez with the disappointed Vargas because Oscar ko’d him twice very good and I loved it
OMG. i never knew Robert Garcia trained Vargas lol
I agree with that. Lennox never ducked anybody either though. Everybody ducked him. Bowe threw the belt in the trash so he wouldnt ahve to fight Lennox
Come on guys, Vargas was a very solid fighter, he gave Dela Hoya and Trinidad all they could handle. He did allot of talking but he fought with allot of heat and would not give up.
This is the only DLH fight I like. I thought it was his best performance.
I met Vargas twice he was a punk. So I agree.
Bad blood always makes a good fight. These 2 really hated eachother
The juice never helped Vargas become a better fighter. The man was a tactician. A master of the conventional stance and offensive boxing. Physical ability was always second to his skill. This version of Vargas was all strength and rage. A bull brainlessly running his opponent down or Margarito without the superhuman chin. De La Hoya never finished Vargas' career, steroids did. If he was good for nothing else that night, it was disproving the heinous rumor that DLH had no chin.
Damn Vargas was so much stronger than De La Hoya, No wonder De La Hoya said He'd never Fight Him,
that says more about his conditioning coach than Mayweather. Oscar's bastardized version of the mayweather style was a semi-distaster, imo. You can't carry your left that low with the pretense of relying on your shoulder for defense and still keep so much weight forward on your front foot like Oscar continued to. Floyd does it sometimes as a ruse to draw leads, but he has the reflexes and familiarity with the style to 'break the rules' like that. Oscar wasn't even properly taught the rules
it was actually not close, Oscar won a clear decision on points. The thing I respect about Oscar above many of the greats of the last 30 years like Leonard,Lewis,Floyd,Chavez etc is that he never backed down or ducked from any fighter ever win lose or draw you cant say that about many so called greats of the past 30 years.
1) PEDs do more than just 'give you muscle'.
2) Muscle MAKES YOU MOVE, there is a difference between athletic muscle and bodybuilding muscle. The right type of muscle doesn't 'make you tight'... far from it.
очень классный бой !!!!
Vargas was on the down side here, IMO he was a much better boxer than he showed here. Especially against Winky Wright. All that muscle that Vargas put on only tires you out quicker and limited his flexibility. The muscle looks good, but unless you're naturally built it is not a good idea to put muscle on when your a boxer. Vargas was more successful when he was a little more loosely muscled. I have to had RIP Corrie Sanders, you are missed.
Ur rite, I'm not arguing the fact oscar beat that ass( reguardless).. But I havent seen this fight in years, I think I said the same thing when it happnd live....
Both great fighters ..
im a southpaw, just sayin ...
Buen Box el 100 por 100.
i dont even like oscar and wasnt a big vargas fan either......but this was a good fight!
That should have been a KD in round 1, the ropes saved Oscar
dont mess with guys who eat caviar hahaha
Floyd Mayweather Senior was Oscars Trainer for this fight
fawwwwkkk noooo thats whatt got him muffed up..switching to a shoulder roll defense at that point in his career was not that beneficial...oscar has always had very solid text book defense
well of course that's y he was oscars trainer...u choose trainers on wat u want to work on & how good the trainer cres for u on not getting ur ass kicked...like freddy roach is a good too,rudy lias was another good coach he was my brothers trainer & terry norris too. lou dubba another 1 so many but u got to know if they have good defence & offence!!
Oscar wanted Vargas to waera himself out by hitting nothing but air and shoulders and arms...thats why he adopted those defensive techniques. he still managed to land his hook though
The reason why he used it was implicit in the context of my post. It was not the 'why' that was in question, but the efficacy of the shell when unaccustomed to it's benefits, namely, negating the right hand of your opponent and opening the roll-right counter. Understand that Oscar's best weapon has always been his left hook; made entirely useless when improperly using the shell and squaring your hips with your arms at your side. Stay in school.
Vargas was a pretty good boxer if he was not thrown to the lion at an early age, at 22 he was thrown to the deadliest puncher tito and at 24 Oscar out classed him. He was mishandled and rushed to early in his career. Why would a talented kid like Vargas been given steriod? Also I hate Merchant for discrediting Vargas and called him glass jaw.
great fight,,,
Following the result of this fight, Vargas would test positive for "steroids" and be fined $100,000.00 This would signify the literal beginning to the end of his professional boxing career.
De La Hoya got away with wearing a very unusual high protector in this fight that protected him from body shots. Mosley's father Jack made sure this did not occur by alerting the commission before the fight that they would not fight him if he wore this type of belt protector. This type of protector is not good for a guy that likes to throw body punches and Vargas was always a great body puncher.
Any fighter that has juiced loses all credibility.
Is that Robert Garcia behind Vargas when they announced his name?
Lets make something clear, fighter and boxer isn't the same thing. I am a boxing fan and yes, I have been in the ring. Fighting is something different. I could do 1000 things fighting that I can't do boxing. MMA is more fighting than boxing. However, I prefer boxing. It's more of a sport. MMA you make a mistake and fight is over in 2 seconds. A lot of time the winner isn't the best fighter. Just because a little mistake or a slip.
great fight
"seemingly super natural strength "
ha
on the cool....Bowe had Holyfield by like 30 lbs bro. Thats a helluva advantage
what year was this
yeah right...he is a good trainer. Idk what you talking about.
The fight would've been over faster had he still been with Alcazar, just as Foreman said. Mayweathers style for oscar allowed him to get hit more and was more a slugger style. Oscar's boxer puncher style from alcazar would've dominated Vargas and Ko'd him sooner I believe. This was the best Vargas though, better than the one that Tito beat. The one that TIto beat was faster, but weaker and alot less educated. This Vargas that Oscar fought was the hungriest, strongest and fiercest Vargas to date.
yeah victor ortiz is doing his best to take the same short career as vargas
yeah that filled the void for a couple of years....but last 2 years has been awful....I stopped watching that too....on the flip side I started watching football and basketball more and I have been happy with the competitive and entertaining results.
Smart indeed on the part of Mayweather. My question is, How long has he asked for drug tests? I never heard of it before his path crossed with Pacquiao's, when it seemed like testing was used a way out of the fight. What are your thoughts?
Yea I know what you mean bro.
❤❤❤nice job,sir
its not arithmatic, its boxing....it was a close fight, no doubt...I felt Felix pulled it out in the last few rounds by being the aggressor and chasing Oscar around the ring in his dresss (Oscars dress)..LOL
Idk care what people say Mexicans. Are the best in boxing we have more champions that says it all
Why are you guys arguing, tito won you can't change that it was a good fight they are both legends.