Knifemaking Tuesdays Week 97 - Enclosure for the Tormach PCNC1100
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- More new toys! We recently installed Tormach's new enclosure kit for the PCNC1100 CNC milling machine. It's awesome! We go over the entire install, including sandblasting and powder coating the original chip trays, installing the kit, and our thoughts on the enclosure. Also thrown in for fun, making sweet turned parts on our Tormach 15L slant bed lathe, putting winter tires on my Volvo, and Erik and I being goofballs.
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Poor job on the powdercoat and so easy for them to fix. I've been into Harleys for a long time and any powdercoat that was done like that would be going back for them to do properly. The defects will always rust lift the rest of the coating.
About your videos, as you said you're more about taking us on a journey and I have to say thank you so much for doing so.
I always look forward to Knifemaking Tuesdays.
Good job Viking Anglo Saxon
I've help out in a shop that does powder coating and if any sand was left on before the coat the boss would have killed us. Many shops wouldn't let that fly. I would be rather miffed.
Warm white or High CRI led bulbs are extremely pleasing
Your kids are growing up fast! And boy are they cute!
8:00 I'd use a ScotchBrite wheel on a cordless drill or whatever it took to get all of the rust and sand out of the areas where the sand was powder coated, then wipe down with alcohol to thoroughly degrease it and clean it, then apply a few coats of a good spray enamel over the bare metal. If you don't, rust will start back in there and eat underneath the new powder coat. Similarly, if you manage to chip any of the powder coat, promptly clean and paint it with some touch up paint. The trick is to keep rust from starting. Once it gets under the finish, it'll keep bubbling the finish and you'll be back where you were. It's definitely one of those cases where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Now that the enclosure looks that good, it's worth keeping it looking good.
I like both John's presentations!
Looks great.
You will save so much time with the new enclosure. Much less time sweeping chips. Love mine
John;
Nice enclosure there.
For those who wonder if $2,600 + freight (figure about $2,800 total) is worth it, figure it out this way.
1/2 hour per day for cleaning chips out of shop @ $20/hour (apprentice rate) x 260 days per year = $2,600.
50% extended tool life due to higher flood cool rates = 1 tool every two weeks x $25/tool = $550.
Total savings in 1 year = $3,150. The enclosure pays for itself in less than 1 year, which is usually the trigger point for tool investment in most major manufacturing businesses.
With regards to the powder coating, I would have taken the pieces back to the powder coat shop and made them re-do their work. They know they have to blow sand out of crevices prior to powder coating, they just cut corners on this. That plus the thin coating in a couple of spots is indicative of a poor job. I wouldn't recommend that shop to anyone else, no matter what the price of their work. Crap work is crap work even if it is cheap.
Regards;
Ron Kluwe
dude that powdercoat job looks really bad.
i do that stuff for a livin and i would never do a shitty job like that.
surface finnish is bad. poor sanblasting. u got ripped off.
but i like ur vids, keep em coming :)
John dude, you are so way more laid back then I am. First the gaps in the new enclosure. I would of been on the phone demanding to talk to everybody in that company until I got a decent refund for the shoddy thought that went in to the planning of how the pieces fit together. Why would they leave gaps in something that's supposed to keep fluid in? Then the powder coating. Wow! That company would of been sweeping up glass for days from the bricks through their windows if that was me. But you're just like ah its cool!! Great attitude!
Ma I'd be asking for my money back and some for that powder coating job. Really bad workmanship. Still lovin' your videos after all this time. SPUD
im actually a machinist on a VM-3, and its super fun!
That powdercoat looks excellent, apart from the issues mentioned
Dang! I had 'sweet powdercoating job' all typed in here ready to go, and then attack of the sand beast. Still looks great on most of the surfaces, and the end result with the enclosure looks awesome. I don't know why anyone would give you crap for spending money on the enclosure. When I first saw it on John's channel i figured it would be $4K at least. $2500 or whatever is, plus freight, is a good deal in my opinion. This isn't a high volume part that they are going to sell a hundred thousand of. If you get a little better tool life, a little better lighting, spend a little less time cleaning the shop and can hear a little better, it will more than pay for itself within a year.
POR 15......(paint over rust ) is an excellent product used on car restoration projects that once painted over clean rust will stop it for good.
I would cover that hole in the front. Coolant will find a way through that opening.
Do you have a video on your vacuum chuck? Thanks for the enclosure vidieo.
Your kids are just so damn cute! Gonna be awesome to see them in some videos working in the shop in a couple years :D
Throw a gopro mount in the enclosure so you can do quick and easy timelapse videos of machining, that would be pretty swell :P
Also, anything specail planned for KMT Episode 100? Hopefully something really long drawn out and full of awesomeness :D
Ok, the "helpers" are just awesome!!! Lol!!
How much they've grown!
J... You have it made :-)
(Make sure you make yourself plenty of shotguns now before the little princess becomes full grown ;-) lol!! You'll need them!)
Awesome progress you have made.
Where's the lathe video?
Thanks! The helpers sure are awesome to have around.
My next lathe video should be up by next Tuesday.
Thanks!
Check inbox - :- )
I wouldn't mind the space it takes up either :P
Would you say in the space it invades it gets by on you?
Your lathe is looking a bit forlorn now next to the new fully enclosed 1100.
You should sweet talk Tormach into send you their new lathe enclosure for you to demonstrate to all of us potential customers...
not impressed with that powder coating job.
***** I think he was simply saying that the company John used did not do a good job. I don't think it has anything to do with John personally.
***** nice armchair trolling friend...
Watch the video, and see if you can catch the subtle telltale signs that it wasn't a good process...
***** statement retracted?? :(
Hey you're in Hamilton? I'm in Rochester NY. Would you be into presenting at our Maker Faire in November?
how is the coolant filters holding up?
cheers from london ontario.
Great vid!
Are the jump cuts new? I think they work well with your narration style.
Yes the jump cuts are new! Thank you for the feedback, I'm glad you noticed. It's something new we're trying out, I like it, seems to make it snappier and not drag on so much.
finally
I have to ask this... have you ever tried putting that dragon scale pattern on one of theses norseman knives? I am a Big fan in Moncton NB. Canada too. Would love to get a set of dragon scales put on a spyderco manix 2xl I just bought too. I searched online, but cant find any scales (except two at stupid prices over seas) any help?
Hey #JohnGrimsmo , nice to see you growing ;)
How do you think about taking HAAS MiniMill-1 with HSM, and 4 axis for knifemaking ?
John, stone or scotchbrite the table and hit that rust on the spindle nose with something. Then run a semi synthetic oil based coolant and use a refractometer to check the concentration before you run! You should never see rust again. Really, checking the concentration takes 15-30 seconds.
I've tried to scrub off the spindle nose, I think I'll have to remove it and turn it on the lathe to get the rust off, which I will, then I'll probably clear coat it. And I will be using a new different coolant and checking it often, thanks!
JohnGrimsmo You heard of anyone doing that? I would think the coat wouldn't last, between coolant and chips blasting it, it would chip away. Just wipe the spindle nose down with some way oil before you close up shop at night. Or spray it with something like BoeShield T-9 rust protector.
Now that you have that fancy enclosure, and the manufacturing process has been documented well enough, you could run a ton of coolant and likely get better surface finish and tool life. If you're running serious flood coolant everything inside the enclosure will get wet. Modern VMC's run flood coolant pumps in the 3HP range. No need to protect any bare steel, its going to get sprayed with coolant all day. You're really best off running something oil based or derived from oil. When the water evaporates an oil film will be left behind and protect it. The only thing you need to worry about is stuff bolted down that never moves. Spray some T9 under your vac table and it should be good.
You actually use summer tires in Canada?
nice set up. i live in new mexico is do you have to go to Wisconsin for the cnc class offered by tormach or do they have classed closer to my area. thanks
really enjoy your format.
They only have classes in Wisconsin. I'm sure there are various classes you can take at colleges in your area if you look hard enough.
I would like to try out the tormach mill and lathe that's what I mean to say .
michael rodriguez ZBotLLC (the company that designed and manufactures Tormach's ATC) in Austin, TX does demos. That would be a much shorter drive.
Hey John. Cant seem to find a way to contact you but here. :/ Anyways, I was wondering what your pricing is for the toxic green dragon scales for the Manix2 are? Im extremely interested.
John, great enclosure, poor powder coating job (but affordable I guess), and cute helpers...though the new guy needs another trip through safety school to remind him to put on his safety glasses before playing with the air gun.
Rust is bad stuff. Easier to prevent than fix. I usually give tools a shot of Boeshield-T9 when I bring them home. My table saw I coat with carnauba wax, and it's still rust free after 20 years in an unheated garage. My new-to-me lathe is kept well oiled and is in a heated and A/C space so I'm hoping it stays clear of rust too, but I'll keep an eye on it...especially the accessories I don't use all the time. Entropy is a bitch!
-- Mike
BigMjolnir
I wonder how long that table saw would hold up against rusting if you used a constant stream of flood coolant when you were making cuts on it. ;)
I don't know, but the 80% humidity around here in the summer isn't far from that...and doesn't have any rust inhibitors in it! :-)
-- Mike
BigMjolnir
Not even close. Humidity is a saturation rating, not a concentration. 80% humidity is only 80% of the amount of moisture that the AIR is capable of holding. 100% humidity does not mean that the air turns into water. ;)
If you were breathing 80% water, and 20% atmospheric air, you'd be dead, and your table saw would be rusted to dust.
Just curious what the total package has cost. PCNC1100 + stand + atc + coolant + full enclosure plus various shipping costs.
nhbb980 About 30 grand
What jetta model is that?
Hoooooly shit your son is cute.
Tormach people... For now :) jk
Week 100 giveaway?
pretty sure i've had something coated at this same place. was not too impressed.
2600/900=2.88888888889 XD you guy's had to sell 3 knifes for it .... if you look at it like that no it's not a lot of money when everything you make is also sold befor it's done XD
screw that i just made my enclosure in 3-4 days
Im guessing he got it nothing from tormach
Thats naughty...they should make sure there is no sand before coating and definitely none AFTER coating...really bad job....bad job indeed
Please say you rubbed it down and hit it with some spray paint
Just make sure your not running the mix too lean
That's MAN not Ma.
they own you a favor for that terrible coating job ;) ...coating over the sticky sand ?? errr...what? ;)
That powdercoating is shit. I thought $200 was a good deal at first, but you got ripped off. At least you gave their name and location so others know they do crap work as well.
These jump cuts are really freakin me out, I don't like it, nothing personal I love you guys but id much rather watch long single cuts for what its worth. I think you will get better at using them in time but I thought it was my computer lagging at first lol.