Launch, Rendezvous & Docking From Cockpit Challenge

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  • @CORD3K
    @CORD3K 6 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    It's not boring Scott, We're watching the instruments with you buddy :D

    • @Rodhern
      @Rodhern 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I scrolled down the comments looking for this one. Just so I could agree.

  • @soopahsoopah
    @soopahsoopah 6 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    That screen that reads NO SIGNAL is the docking port camera - very handy. You have to select your craft's docking port as the active part from the target menu. There's also a docking port alignment indicator available. Kind of bummed you didn't get to them since they are obviously very useful (and fun) for IVA docking.

    • @197jm
      @197jm 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      soopahsoopah so that camera will actually work? What is the name of this mod? I don't have kerbal installed but I may have to get it again to try this!

    • @Pretender6
      @Pretender6 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Base mod is Rasterprop Monitor, but it works nicely with the Aset props / iva mods

    • @soopahsoopah
      @soopahsoopah 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      What he said, Rasterprop Monitor. And yeah it works you just have to choose 'control from here' when selecting the docking port. Very useful

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's also an external camera part that you can stick to your pod if you're fed up with the tiny windows. It comes with the RPM mod.

  • @OtherTheDave
    @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Too bad there isn’t a way to “replay” the flight with a different camera position. It’d be neat to see what blew up.

    • @3ormore406
      @3ormore406 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      OtherTheDave it was probaly the boosters

    • @Scnottaken
      @Scnottaken 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Surely the mission end screen would show what happened?

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scnottaken Yeah, that’s not as cinematic though :-)

  • @mrjay42
    @mrjay42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    "for those people that still speaks in metric"...Did you mean the whole planet? (except US and Myanmar,etc.)?

    • @Ankazarwarrior
      @Ankazarwarrior 6 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      mrjay42 That's the joke.

    • @DC2022
      @DC2022 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      And he made my day ^_^ Too bad I was drinking coffee. Had to clean the mess he caused...

    • @unambitious
      @unambitious 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Don't worry, you'll be conquered soon enough ;P

    • @crybllrd
      @crybllrd 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Myanmar? Hm, I wouldn't have thought of that country as one that has their shit together.

    • @jbritain
      @jbritain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly.

  • @GareebScientist
    @GareebScientist 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How does the effective orbits change when two spacecrafts with different orbits rendezvou in space?

    • @sajukkhar
      @sajukkhar 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes they do. They are highly sensitive to initial conditions.

    • @rocky2694
      @rocky2694 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm no physicist but i imagine the orbit would change to a orbit which is an average between the two crafts original orbits while also accounting for differences in mass and velocity
      so the orbit would be closer to the the orbit of the craft with the higher momentum (Momentum=Mass*Velocity) but it would still be changed relative to the difference between the two

    • @GareebScientist
      @GareebScientist 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      rocky2694 I guess that makes sense

  • @nagualdesign
    @nagualdesign 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Surprisingly, that was one of the most riveting missions I've watched. It adds a whole other level not being able to see from outside or look at the map screen. Makes you appreciate the hard reality of spaceflight. The tension was palpable! Shame you missed the moment of docking.

  • @wembleyford
    @wembleyford 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yay! I've done this in the Alcor capsule before - which has all he buttons and MFDs you could want - Its an incredible feeling when you've managed it without turning the UI back on even once,

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have always found the ALCOR to be too crowded with buttons and controls to be useful -- the designers took a lot of effort to put every single possible control in there that you may want to use, but they lost track of the human-machine (or Kerbal-machine) interface part of the design in the process.
      If that were a real pod, the buttons wouldn't be sensibly arranged and the displays would be too small to read.

  • @StealthTheUnknown
    @StealthTheUnknown 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely fascinating! I would have never guessed this was even feasibly possible save a metric ton of mods. Nice job!

  • @boundless8288
    @boundless8288 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Replaying game , your vids saved me the learning curve , and I can barely dock with all the views.. nice job

  • @krocco
    @krocco 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Scott, that might have been your best mission ever.

  • @HK-bi2gy
    @HK-bi2gy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that may have seem boring to some, but that was really cool for me. i also liked learning a few new terms for space things and seeing how the astronauts back in the day got to the moon

    • @vickas54
      @vickas54 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would like this twice. Cuz I was really excited too!

  • @IainHellmanCrump
    @IainHellmanCrump 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    TH-cam has been supressing your vids so much for me, i havent seen you in suggested since last year, forgot how awesome your vids are. Found you in subcriptions tab if curious. still works for me, chronological order and all

  • @aavaataar9618
    @aavaataar9618 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    "This stream is gonna be so boring; it's just me looking at instruments the whole time!" (Or something roughly like that)
    No, I found it really interesting and impressive to watch! This actually scratched an itch that's been around for a while - being able to watch someone navigate in space from a realistic cockpit with all the buttons and switches. It didn't actually click for me that one could even do this in KSP! Thanks for putting up this clip from the stream!

  • @tehllama42
    @tehllama42 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don' t know how I failed to notice the Sandia Thunderchicken shirt until most of the way through this video.... Very cool Scott!!!

  • @davewave1982
    @davewave1982 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a veteran of the orbiter series of simulators, this was the only way to fly. KSP made the visualisation of orbits and intersections a thing of dreams.

  • @S1baar
    @S1baar 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Just like a pro." YOU ARE THE PRO!

  • @고혁준-u4c
    @고혁준-u4c 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems that you are using raster prop monitor. And you are using the Mk.1 command pod. I just installed RPM and iva for command pod is missing. However, the cockpit for airplanes and cupola has iva. Do I have to install another mod to use iva for command pod?

  • @ethanjohnston8194
    @ethanjohnston8194 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    if you still have vr you should try the kerbalvr mod

    • @darktemp_de
      @darktemp_de 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh yes, please :D

  • @logandarklighter
    @logandarklighter 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Isn't there a camera option for RasterPropMonitor? Where you place a small camera pod on the outside of the craft that you can align in a direction you want - such as forward prograde for docking. And you can use the data screens inside the cockpit and select one to use the camera feed.

    • @Krzysztof_z_Bagien
      @Krzysztof_z_Bagien 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hullcam VDS Continued - it also adds cameras directly to all docking ports, so you don't actually need any external camera for docking - you select your docking port as a reference part and you will have nice video feed right where it says "no signal".

    • @Stoney3K
      @Stoney3K 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      RasterPropMonitor in fact comes with its own camera part! You just need to remember to stick them on your craft ;-)

  • @DCDevTanelorn
    @DCDevTanelorn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @ScottManley how did you solve the issue of RasterPropManager showing the MFD displays backwards? It’s a huge unsolved issue.

  • @ChAnimations
    @ChAnimations 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Docking just like a pro" - telling spaceflight tales and totally missing that you actually docked :)

  • @devikwolf
    @devikwolf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ALCOR has been one of my favorite vehicles for a long time. Gorgeous IVA! I'm glad that the developer is back to making enhancements on it again! It was a dead project for way too long.

    • @Pretender6
      @Pretender6 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      would that not be a comatosed project :-)

  • @efrandsen72
    @efrandsen72 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Talking about how someone used a paper clip to save an airplane, as he docks and doesn’t even realize he docked. What a guy.

  • @fomnik9276
    @fomnik9276 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great, after this try apollo 11 mission with internal view. Also u can install external cameras and this "no signal" will be camera view

  • @TheBigCheeese85
    @TheBigCheeese85 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    13:00 "Just like a pro" you are THE KSP pro Scott!

  • @WillProwse
    @WillProwse 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    WOW. That was awesome

  • @midship_nc
    @midship_nc 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been watching your videos for years, just now realized I was not subscribed.
    Fixed that.

  • @ChrispyNut
    @ChrispyNut 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Yep, deffo boring, but respect to ya for your high level of nerdiness. I tip my hat to you, Sir ;)

  • @mrboyguyman
    @mrboyguyman 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You should play some DCS World aircrafts! I would love to hear your opinion of the aircrafts as you are flying them.

  • @QueenOfMinecraft
    @QueenOfMinecraft 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somebody show this to Buzz Aldrin, he would be so proud

  • @Knightfang1
    @Knightfang1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Scott, if you select your docking port as your reference part you can get a docking camera on your screen that says No Signal

  • @micaiaskauss
    @micaiaskauss 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm gonna try this, this was awesome 👍🏻

  • @nathand.9969
    @nathand.9969 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done! From an instrument pilot in training to a Kerbal Instrument Space Pilot in training.

  • @TheFantom331
    @TheFantom331 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott, you said in your video that as you are 7 km below your target you are roughly gaining 49 km every orbit. I cannot figure out what your reasoning is and would like to because it seems like a quick calculation. The approximation I get using trigonometry and granted that the two orbit are relatively similar would be 65 km per orbit in this case. Cheers !

  • @ardap3966
    @ardap3966 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for doing my challenge

  • @5ug4r45
    @5ug4r45 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    OPT spaceplane cockpits are great for that, all usefull informations are displayed.

  • @CoffeeKnife
    @CoffeeKnife 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now you finally know how hard it is to be a real astronaut.

  • @josephgroves3176
    @josephgroves3176 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Kerbalvr isn't suitable for drinking wine"
    Stay classy Scott Manley...
    And more RO!

  • @bcn1gh7h4wk
    @bcn1gh7h4wk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did a reentry by instrumentation once.
    I kept itching to switch to map view, but it was fun.... just, trust the instruments, I mean, they're all Jeb's Junkyard, what could possibly go wrong?

  • @alwaus723
    @alwaus723 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A KSP challenge to make anyone lose their sanity: Going to the Mun and back without time warp

  • @Version135
    @Version135 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very impressive!

  • @Hans-jc1ju
    @Hans-jc1ju 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you install Docking port alignment indicator it also gets available as a Rasterprop monitor widget

  • @Kataang101
    @Kataang101 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Manley, A Legend

  • @xyz6106
    @xyz6106 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello there! Would ksp run smoothly on a workstation pc? The ones with 10+ cores? Or is it some other limitations for the physics of 200+ parts?

  • @christopherwyatt2771
    @christopherwyatt2771 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven't played KSP in about 2 years. Now I want to go back to it.

  • @andreasbeckert6669
    @andreasbeckert6669 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott that is fucking impressive. Good job.

  • @WarPuppy
    @WarPuppy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Not Boring !!!!!! What Mod??

    • @feidry
      @feidry 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The instrument panels, I'm 99% sure, are from Raster Prop Monitor. That mod is almost as old as KSP itself.

    • @gustavrsh
      @gustavrsh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doesn't it come with B9?

    • @lapaloma2138
      @lapaloma2138 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes

  • @vinigame7490
    @vinigame7490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Orbiter Players: my goals are beyond your understanding

  • @NoNameAtAll2
    @NoNameAtAll2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott, can you explain why does the fat earth theory says that the precession increases towards more equatorial orbits?
    Shouldn't there be some "maximum precession" inclination and drop down towards both equatorial and polar orbits?

    • @albainianchimpassociation7906
      @albainianchimpassociation7906 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      NoName yes the FAT earth Theroy

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The precession is measured by the change in the longitude of the ascending node which is proportional to cos(i) however the angular distance between orbital planes is proportional to cos(i)*sin(i)

  • @bergonius
    @bergonius 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be cool to see a whole series of you playing the game from cockpit, preferably in VR. To make it more watchable for casuals you might need to add map and external overlay for viewers.

  • @jacobsamuels295
    @jacobsamuels295 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love RPM a must have mod I award use it, though it can be a little temperamental

  • @thundershock_326
    @thundershock_326 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott, why did you call it Saratoga?

  • @TomDillon13
    @TomDillon13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I still can't rendezvous with the map screen...

  • @SundayRide1204
    @SundayRide1204 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I could tell you were rather pleased with the success, not even a Fly Safe...docking complete, challenge complete, mic drop

  • @Pythos_Sapunov
    @Pythos_Sapunov 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now to beat the docking record to the ISS in Orbiter!
    Standing record is 9:50 seconds?

  • @wisewwaste1726
    @wisewwaste1726 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now I wanna see life of Boris try XD

  • @delayed_control
    @delayed_control 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see you do a

  • @moosemaimer
    @moosemaimer 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't even want to think about using VR and alcohol at the same time. I let a drunk friend use my Rift and he punched my TV because he thought it was a T-Rex.

  • @truesurfer1989
    @truesurfer1989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I Love the A.S.E.T!!!

  • @ulysstube
    @ulysstube 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    not boring but impressive and immersive :)

  • @higgsfermion3536
    @higgsfermion3536 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Scott,
    which Mod do you use for the flight instruments?

  • @LuciusNoir
    @LuciusNoir 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    For me map mode was not cheating
    great video scott

  • @jasperpendlebury4551
    @jasperpendlebury4551 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you sir, are a god!

  • @b1n4ryb1rd7
    @b1n4ryb1rd7 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The pod is using at the very beginning of the video its called ALCOR pod made by Alexustas 22 too

  • @ninergang2523
    @ninergang2523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott u could be a astronaut

  • @kalvintriffiletti9026
    @kalvintriffiletti9026 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the people who still speak in metric? Is that why the international system of units is in metric?

  • @DustyWall
    @DustyWall 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The trailer for First Man played before this video which makes me think your next IVA mission should be to the Mun... Then after that how about to the Moon in RSS/RO. Also makes me think a 1st person EVA view is needed.

  • @calebzuercher3772
    @calebzuercher3772 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott Manley only does efficent launch trajectories. Thats what he told me.

  • @pontusieg
    @pontusieg 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have long wanted to see you do this type of challange. I tried landing on the mun, IVA only. but since I dont have an audience I cheated xD

  • @lightbenderga2017
    @lightbenderga2017 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why would someone dislike this? Absurd.

  • @Evitable
    @Evitable 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You. Are. A. Beast.

  • @gerardoemiliogarciaalmeida1648
    @gerardoemiliogarciaalmeida1648 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should try to acheive this using Orbiter 2016 to dock to the ISS. It´s closer to the real thing and it takes a lot more time because approach must be very slow while controlling your ship horizontal displacement, rotation and distance to the ISS all of this simultaneously and using your docking MFD. There is also a "side up" of the ISS docking port that must be aligned with the corresponding one of your spacecraft´s docking port. All previous steps as aligning orbits and waiting in a lower or higher orbit in order to catch up with the ISS must also be done. And for a higher challenge try to do this with Atlantis Spache Shuttle (The docking port is over your head, not in front of you, but you can use a camera view from your docking port along with your docking MFD if you wish, but the docking MFD is good enough to achieve a successful docking).
    This way is very close as NASA astronauts dock in real life. WARNING! The learning curve of Orbiter 2016 is steeper that the one of Kerbal Space Program, at least in order to do this task.
    The way you did it in Kerbal Space Program is more or less like doing it as in an Star Wars or other SciFi movie compared the way it is done in Orbiter 2016....Well, no so quick and easy as in the movies provided that some of the required steps were done in your simulation, but in a lot more simplified way.
    Orbiter website:
    orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk
    Google for orbiter docking iss for instructions on how to dock to the ISS. Enjoy! :-)

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Have you seen my orbiter video where I take a stab at the space shuttle RTLS in orbiter without anything more than a magazine article as a reference?
      th-cam.com/video/Iwn3kk-q1YU/w-d-xo.html

    • @gerardoemiliogarciaalmeida1648
      @gerardoemiliogarciaalmeida1648 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven´t seen it before my reply post. I´ve just watched it. You managed to return alive (Even you didn´t use the braking parachutes the shuttle uses in normal landings). Of course, you have plenty of flying hours in space simulators and this pays off. :-)

  • @h0ll1s
    @h0ll1s 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So are you going to get back to Kerban in cockput mode now?

  • @xGILOW
    @xGILOW 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you please build a giant firework in ksp? with like explosions, spinning SRBs everywhere.....

  • @hevscientist_017
    @hevscientist_017 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    can anyone tell me how that junk system display is activated? is there a mod ?

  • @sawyerislesministryofdefen1845
    @sawyerislesministryofdefen1845 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scott can you tell me what is this mod please?

  • @Turfut730
    @Turfut730 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    you have a great mod that add avionics from aset to stock command pods/cockpits, try it, it's KSA IVA upgrade :)

  • @tedferkin
    @tedferkin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like me flight simming, I fly IFR so it's all instruments and checking waypoint interception
    Except for takeoff and landing

  • @stopversching6460
    @stopversching6460 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How come Scott doesn't have a wiki page yet?

  • @louischoron1127
    @louischoron1127 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You sir...are a god😂

  • @resonance01
    @resonance01 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did a mun landing like this before, Launch, Landing, Return all in IVA using Raster Prop Mod.

  • @Triumph263
    @Triumph263 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should definitely do kerbal vr.

  • @afcivileng
    @afcivileng 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Sandia National Lab Shirt

  • @lhorns9963
    @lhorns9963 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What mod did you use for the cockpit?

  • @zacshaheen8286
    @zacshaheen8286 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is JSI availible for the nee KSP?

  • @johndoh8283
    @johndoh8283 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My career save has failed to load properly for the past couple months; I miss this game.

  • @noophia
    @noophia 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    We need a new difficulty level in video games just next to the very hard. We'll call it "Difficulty level: Scott Manley"

  • @JBaker452
    @JBaker452 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scott, it would be fun if you could provide the craft files and the mod list you are using so we could play along.

    • @Tzphardi
      @Tzphardi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hoping this helps, he used atleast Raster Prop Monitor and a mod that added them to vanella ivas. I personally use an Alcor Capsul Mod (think 21st century lunar lander) and Raster Prop Monitor +Vessel View in my kerbal space program.

    • @randomnickify
      @randomnickify 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go to his Twitch channel, watch entire livestream and Build Along the craft yourself :)

  • @danilooliveira6580
    @danilooliveira6580 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    now a full mun mission using ASET capsule ?

    • @scottmanley
      @scottmanley  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Already done a mun mission using even less th-cam.com/video/p0c-gx03DpM/w-d-xo.html

    • @danilooliveira6580
      @danilooliveira6580 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      but the idea here is not doing with less. its doing with the orgasmic level of immersion that the ASET and ALCOR mod can provide.
      like this th-cam.com/video/DD4UV44X2ys/w-d-xo.html

  • @josephmatthews7698
    @josephmatthews7698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why don't my instruments look like yhat?

    • @josephmatthews7698
      @josephmatthews7698 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Geez smooth brain it's the IVA mod. I'm embarrassed for you that it took you over a year to even try mods.
      Embarrassing.

  • @peterstark5775
    @peterstark5775 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do one about the new ELUA ?

  • @rhendricksonn
    @rhendricksonn 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the name of the Instrumentation MOD?

  • @zacharyhutchison4006
    @zacharyhutchison4006 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought you did this once in vr, I guess I'm thinking of someone else

  • @ReallyRealColby
    @ReallyRealColby 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss Galileo Conquest...

  • @traniel123456789
    @traniel123456789 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    This needs VR

  • @insanitysportal6692
    @insanitysportal6692 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    45 minutes of absolute boredom, followed by 7 minutes of sheer terror...just like Apollo...
    Also...now you have to do the whole thing, again, but this time, you have to do it all by remote from the KSC.

  • @zacharypetty8539
    @zacharypetty8539 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What mod allows for in cabin controls?

  • @barteimers7718
    @barteimers7718 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this a mod or stock

  • @deviama1
    @deviama1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll watch video in a moment. Expedition 56-57 launch happening!

  • @RyuAzuku
    @RyuAzuku 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What cockpit did he have at the beginning???

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      MASTER GAMER895 I think it’s the normal capsule, just with a mod to allow the internal displays & controls to work.

    • @RyuAzuku
      @RyuAzuku 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      OtherTheDave At the very very beginning? I'm talking about the ASET capsule

    • @OtherTheDave
      @OtherTheDave 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      MASTER GAMER895 Oh, I don’t know then.