I seriously think you could be traveling on dangerous ground here with this MOD. The BX was never designed to lift almost 12 inches higher and as a retired Police Officer I've been to several roll over accidents where the operator turned the tractor with a load raised and over he went and was crushed. This looks like a great thing but I would have to say that more testing needs to be done. I love your stuff so don't take this wrong.
John, I have a Kubota BX23S and have not raised the hydraulic pressure. I bought the cylinders from HydrosPlus last fall, and had to buy hydraulic hoses since the factory hoses were a tad short. Kubota shows 2 different part numbers for the hydraulic hoses, so I suspect one might be a little shorter than the other. Make sure you don't want to stretch hydraulic hoses. I haven't noticed any stability issues, but I also have 2.5" spacers on my rear wheels, which would help make the tractor a little more stable. I never raise the loader higher than the hood when driving around. I moved rock and dirt since installing these cylinders, and don't think you'll overload the front axle considering the size of the loader bucket. The cylinders definitely make it easier to dump material in taller trailers. I also have the Land Pride PFL1242 pallet forks. The main reason I bought these cylinders, is I have storage racks in my pole barn and the cylinders give me an additional 11.5" of lifting height, plus I could lift 35% more weight. I raised the shelves and gained an additional 11.5" of storage height below. It's definitely nice to have the added lifting capacity, and lifting height when you need it. Use common sense if you install these cylinders, and don't drive around with the loader raised 6' or you might be 6' under!
I thought about doing a cylinder upgrade but I’m concerned the increase in power will cause the loader frame to self destruct. I will check out that channel and look forward to the lift capacity test. Thanks for a great video!
Sir I honestly know that trick because It was Joe ( From Steel To Wood ) who as showed to me 😇👍 Yes the Center of Gravity his much higher now and be carful Sir 👍😇👌Have a safe week Cheers 🍻🍻
Lots of folks saying the danger of these and over manufacturer recommendation - totally understand. For me - two massive issues this completely solves: first, my tractor BARELY has enough juice with the pallet forks on to be able to lift the front snowblower (while on a 72"W thin pallet) up onto my racking system. With this kit, moving at a very slow speed over to the rack, now solves this issue - essentially saving me INSANE extra work 2x a year. Worth it there alone. Second: we own a roof tent for our Jeep Gladiator and it's set pretty high off of a lifted vehicle on top of the racks. Stock putting this up there with pallet forks isn't even an option - won't get high enough. Again - same thing here now... now at slow speed I can get into position and hit the height I need to slide it over onto the vehicle racks. Simply said - these two issues were almost enough to cost me $30k in upgrading from a BX to an LX or L (with similar attachments that don't carry over)... with this part, I can stay in my BX and just do daily rentals for the bigger jobs that happen 1x a year (or less).
Series valves for you will cause the output of one valve to become the input of the other valve. That's why kubotas loaders are faster than deere even with lower flow. That does cause one other weird behavior. When one valve goes into relief it dumps the oil to tank instead of sending it to the next valve. On Deere the return oil of each valve are draining to tank instead of being sent out to do more work. With big hydrospump on deere. Lifting and curling gets a whole easier. Stock flow stinks. Good stuff 👍👍
I added them after you mentioned them in a previous video over a month ago. I had to get new hydraulic lines made but I think it was worth it. I have pallet raking set to 8ft and I couldn't get stuff up that high. Now I can. Turned the tractor into a way more useful tool. I don't believe 35% is enough to destroy the tractor like others have mentioned but it's enough for my tractor to now do everything I hoped it would when I bought it. I also have the BX23S. Appreciate all your videos. Keep on tractoring
Glad to hear you’re happy with the cylinders! They are a fantastic upgrade and well worth it. Also, you got them at the right time as they are now back ordered until about the end of November Kevin tells me. Keep on tractoring!
Yes, loader, thanks to gravity and not having a pilot circuit, you can control loader and bucket (due to fluid drag and path of least resistance) without engine running. Things I would like to see in next test… 1) bucket dump angle at new full lift height. 2) of course cycle time. 3) hyd. Fluid temp when doing test (IR gun on side/bottom of transmission) 4) dismount of loader. Just want to see if anything changed there. I’m thinking not but better to find/fix issues now than later.
I can get all those tests except the hydro fluid temp. Not sure what I would compare it to. The temp of anything hydro is going to rise the more you use it. I just don't understand the point. Any further details are welcome. Keep on tractoring!
@@ritterjon just as long as new cylinder test is close in hydraulic temp to the benchmark test. Hot oil pumps easier less restrictive…aka faster cycle…assuming there is not excessive wear in your system. In that case cold oil may do better.
Hi John. Loving the video as always. Sure could have used the extra lift height to load the dump trailer. Strongly thinking of getting a set. Thanks for all the info that you’ve provided means a lot. Stay safe and have fun 😊
It's a speedy upgrade but I think with the added lift height along with the increased lift capacity it's well worth it. Stay tuned for the next video. Keep on tractoring!
Hydraulics are a closed system. With the loader off, you can push one arm and the other side moves opposite. I learned this when my stand was messed up.
Messicks made a vid basically telling people not to run these. Odd you have to go aftermarket to loft what a 1025R can stock. That was my biggest gripe with my BX23S. Loader was very conservative, bumping the hydraulic pressure was only noticeable on backhoe. That said, the machine never gave me a big problem.
One issue I did experience though - having extremely limited experience with hydraulic lines... I absolutely overtightened either the fittings on the cylinder or the actual hoses onto the fittings. First drive out of the barn I had fluid going EVERYWHERE like a damn geyser. Don't believe I experienced any damage to the threads - just think moronic first timer over-tightening of everything over the o-rings. Project is slated for today to re-do these with new o-rings and just a 1/2 turn over hand-tight on all fittings is what I've been told. Anyone with any recommendations on this fix?
For me the lift capacity is a plus, being in Canada and able to lift snow an extra foot is huge. Unfortunately the duty, money exchange etc etc will likely preclude me from making that move. Free trade on tractor parts is a must. Imagine the market that it would open up for US manufacturers. Shit Messick's can't even sell me a hat.
It’s a common concern and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned also but if something breaks it breaks. I’ve put a lot of hours on a BX and I feel like experience will help prevent me from doing anything foolish. Keep on tractoring!
Hello, after watching your videos on the piston upgrades I ended up ordering a set for my bx2680. My question is how long did it take to get them? When I ordered them the website said they were backordered...however 3 days later my card was charged the full amount plus shipping. That was 3 weeks ago. I've messaged Kevin and asked him to confirm that they have shipped about 2 weeks ago and have got no reply? I'm beginning to wonder if I've been ripped off. Any information you could let would be appreciated. Thanks John.
I contacted Kevin after reading this and he mentioned that he sent out a email to everyone who has ordered lately because of the back order issues. Possibly you’re not getting his emails. He recommended calling him directly. He was also going to review his emails to see if he got your message. I really wouldn’t worry you’re getting ripped off. Kevin is a good business owner who will get you what you ordered. You’ll really like the increased lift capacity! 😁👍 Keep on tractoring!
I was thinking about getting a pallet fork attachment. I wondered, if my stock 344 will even reach the back of a delivery truck Box. The Truckers "Lift Gate Service" is very expensive ! There is no doubt that these Hydro Plus Cylinders will do the job. Thanks Jon you added another item to my wish list.
You could always make a ramp with some lumber to get extra height. I definitely recommend getting a set of forks. I use mine more than I thought I would for all sorts of things.
It's not really a concern of mine. If I break something I guess I'll fix it. I know it's any issue but I'll cross that bridge if I need to. Keep on tractoring!
Sorry for the late reply but these cylinders will work for you if you're interested. They should be back in stock in a week or two. Keep on tractoring!
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I seriously think you could be traveling on dangerous ground here with this MOD. The BX was never designed to lift almost 12 inches higher and as a retired Police Officer I've been to several roll over accidents where the operator turned the tractor with a load raised and over he went and was crushed. This looks like a great thing but I would have to say that more testing needs to be done. I love your stuff so don't take this wrong.
John, I have a Kubota BX23S and have not raised the hydraulic pressure. I bought the cylinders from HydrosPlus last fall, and had to buy hydraulic hoses since the factory hoses were a tad short. Kubota shows 2 different part numbers for the hydraulic hoses, so I suspect one might be a little shorter than the other. Make sure you don't want to stretch hydraulic hoses. I haven't noticed any stability issues, but I also have 2.5" spacers on my rear wheels, which would help make the tractor a little more stable. I never raise the loader higher than the hood when driving around. I moved rock and dirt since installing these cylinders, and don't think you'll overload the front axle considering the size of the loader bucket. The cylinders definitely make it easier to dump material in taller trailers. I also have the Land Pride PFL1242 pallet forks. The main reason I bought these cylinders, is I have storage racks in my pole barn and the cylinders give me an additional 11.5" of lifting height, plus I could lift 35% more weight. I raised the shelves and gained an additional 11.5" of storage height below. It's definitely nice to have the added lifting capacity, and lifting height when you need it. Use common sense if you install these cylinders, and don't drive around with the loader raised 6' or you might be 6' under!
What was the part number you ordered for the longer hoses and did younfind out they were short when trying to install them? Thank you
I thought about doing a cylinder upgrade but I’m concerned the increase in power will cause the loader frame to self destruct. I will check out that channel and look forward to the lift capacity test. Thanks for a great video!
Sir I honestly know that trick because It was Joe ( From Steel To Wood ) who as showed to me 😇👍 Yes the Center of Gravity his much higher now and be carful Sir 👍😇👌Have a safe week Cheers 🍻🍻
Lots of folks saying the danger of these and over manufacturer recommendation - totally understand. For me - two massive issues this completely solves: first, my tractor BARELY has enough juice with the pallet forks on to be able to lift the front snowblower (while on a 72"W thin pallet) up onto my racking system. With this kit, moving at a very slow speed over to the rack, now solves this issue - essentially saving me INSANE extra work 2x a year. Worth it there alone. Second: we own a roof tent for our Jeep Gladiator and it's set pretty high off of a lifted vehicle on top of the racks. Stock putting this up there with pallet forks isn't even an option - won't get high enough. Again - same thing here now... now at slow speed I can get into position and hit the height I need to slide it over onto the vehicle racks. Simply said - these two issues were almost enough to cost me $30k in upgrading from a BX to an LX or L (with similar attachments that don't carry over)... with this part, I can stay in my BX and just do daily rentals for the bigger jobs that happen 1x a year (or less).
Should put just one larger cylinder in and leave one factory in so it operates smoother
Series valves for you will cause the output of one valve to become the input of the other valve. That's why kubotas loaders are faster than deere even with lower flow. That does cause one other weird behavior. When one valve goes into relief it dumps the oil to tank instead of sending it to the next valve.
On Deere the return oil of each valve are draining to tank instead of being sent out to do more work.
With big hydrospump on deere. Lifting and curling gets a whole easier. Stock flow stinks.
Good stuff 👍👍
I added them after you mentioned them in a previous video over a month ago. I had to get new hydraulic lines made but I think it was worth it. I have pallet raking set to 8ft and I couldn't get stuff up that high. Now I can. Turned the tractor into a way more useful tool. I don't believe 35% is enough to destroy the tractor like others have mentioned but it's enough for my tractor to now do everything I hoped it would when I bought it. I also have the BX23S. Appreciate all your videos. Keep on tractoring
Glad to hear you’re happy with the cylinders! They are a fantastic upgrade and well worth it. Also, you got them at the right time as they are now back ordered until about the end of November Kevin tells me.
Keep on tractoring!
The trick where you put the loader down and curled the bucket is awesome. However! Do you know you can also lift the 3 point at the same time!?
I had no idea.. I’m going to have to try that now. Thanks for the tip!
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Cool cylinders!! Can't wait to see to see the lift capacity!! Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Yes, loader, thanks to gravity and not having a pilot circuit, you can control loader and bucket (due to fluid drag and path of least resistance) without engine running.
Things I would like to see in next test…
1) bucket dump angle at new full lift height.
2) of course cycle time.
3) hyd. Fluid temp when doing test (IR gun on side/bottom of transmission)
4) dismount of loader. Just want to see if anything changed there. I’m thinking not but better to find/fix issues now than later.
I can get all those tests except the hydro fluid temp. Not sure what I would compare it to. The temp of anything hydro is going to rise the more you use it. I just don't understand the point. Any further details are welcome.
Keep on tractoring!
@@ritterjon just as long as new cylinder test is close in hydraulic temp to the benchmark test. Hot oil pumps easier less restrictive…aka faster cycle…assuming there is not excessive wear in your system. In that case cold oil may do better.
Hi John. Loving the video as always. Sure could have used the extra lift height to load the dump trailer. Strongly thinking of getting a set. Thanks for all the info that you’ve provided means a lot. Stay safe and have fun 😊
It's a speedy upgrade but I think with the added lift height along with the increased lift capacity it's well worth it. Stay tuned for the next video.
Keep on tractoring!
Great job covering this project, Jon. This is definitely an upgrade to consider. Nice find! 👊
I’m working on the next video, the numbers I’m seeing are looking in line with what Hydros Plus claims. Thanks for watching!
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Can't wait to see the lift capacity! Great job, great video!
That extra height ( and capacity) will be a game changer with the Artillian pallet forks!
Should be a huge advantage over stock configuration.
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Hydraulics are a closed system. With the loader off, you can push one arm and the other side moves opposite. I learned this when my stand was messed up.
Yes but it's a little different in this case.
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John, I’ve got to have a set of those hydraulic cylinders for my BX 23S as well. Great video!👍🏻
That lower and curve bucket is briefly mention in manual, least in mine.
Can honestly say I never knew about the lowering and curling of the bucket until seeing it on Hydro Plus. Also never tried it till now lol
It’s a fun little experiment! Give it a try!
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Once again, a fabulous video John. Great job!
Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed!
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I've used the gravity powered curl before. Not often, but it's a useful thing to know about.
Pretty neat how that works!
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Nice upgrade JON. Be watching to see the increase in lift capacity and how you like the upgrade.
Thanks Bob! Yeah it’ll be interesting for sure. I still have not tested that. This week I hope.
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Messicks made a vid basically telling people not to run these. Odd you have to go aftermarket to loft what a 1025R can stock. That was my biggest gripe with my BX23S. Loader was very conservative, bumping the hydraulic pressure was only noticeable on backhoe. That said, the machine never gave me a big problem.
How much did you bump up the relief valve? I'm surprised you didn't notice a difference.
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Subscribed! And a fellow up north Minnesotan here!
Welcome to the channel! Thanks for subscribing! Always nice to hear from fellow Minnesotans.
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They made the barrel longer too get the lift higher
Great video! Another thing you’ve added to my list again. 😁
Sorry, Watching TH-cam can very expensive! 😂
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That’s an understatement! 😂👍🏼
Impressionnant, bien hâte de voir la suite 🙂
Cool mod, looking forward to the lifting capabilities. Cheers Jon. 🇨🇦🌴
No worries I’ll find it. Thank you.
I added the link into the description.
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One issue I did experience though - having extremely limited experience with hydraulic lines... I absolutely overtightened either the fittings on the cylinder or the actual hoses onto the fittings. First drive out of the barn I had fluid going EVERYWHERE like a damn geyser. Don't believe I experienced any damage to the threads - just think moronic first timer over-tightening of everything over the o-rings. Project is slated for today to re-do these with new o-rings and just a 1/2 turn over hand-tight on all fittings is what I've been told. Anyone with any recommendations on this fix?
Nice!
Keep on tractoring! 👍
Hey man,where did you buy the cylinders please 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
For me the lift capacity is a plus, being in Canada and able to lift snow an extra foot is huge. Unfortunately the duty, money exchange etc etc will likely preclude me from making that move. Free trade on tractor parts is a must. Imagine the market that it would open up for US manufacturers. Shit Messick's can't even sell me a hat.
Awesome!
Thanks!
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The problem with getting more bucket height is your load is even more above your tractor hood. More problems with dirt and rocks coming back on you .
That’s true but with about 1000 of experience on a BX I hope not to make that silly mistake.
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@@ritterjon just be safe. I don’t want to hear about an accident on TTWT channel. Lol. Cheers
Ok great thanks
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I did know that. I do use that lower and level the bucket on my l3301
Does the L3301 have a loader valve that is in series also?
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@@ritterjon Not sure i will check on that. But it does do it
I’m not sure how to tell if valve is in series by looking at it. But it does do it
Concerned about frount axel.
It’s a common concern and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned also but if something breaks it breaks. I’ve put a lot of hours on a BX and I feel like experience will help prevent me from doing anything foolish.
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Great thanks so much. Also, did you see my question? What’s the difference between the 340 in a 344 loader?
I’m not sure what the difference is. It might just indicate a minor change.
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Hello, after watching your videos on the piston upgrades I ended up ordering a set for my bx2680. My question is how long did it take to get them? When I ordered them the website said they were backordered...however 3 days later my card was charged the full amount plus shipping. That was 3 weeks ago. I've messaged Kevin and asked him to confirm that they have shipped about 2 weeks ago and have got no reply? I'm beginning to wonder if I've been ripped off. Any information you could let would be appreciated. Thanks John.
I contacted Kevin after reading this and he mentioned that he sent out a email to everyone who has ordered lately because of the back order issues. Possibly you’re not getting his emails. He recommended calling him directly.
He was also going to review his emails to see if he got your message. I really wouldn’t worry you’re getting ripped off. Kevin is a good business owner who will get you what you ordered. You’ll really like the increased lift capacity! 😁👍
Keep on tractoring!
@@ritterjon thanks John, he emailed me yesterday with an update.
I was thinking about getting a pallet fork attachment. I wondered, if my stock 344 will even reach the back of a delivery truck Box. The Truckers "Lift Gate Service" is very expensive ! There is no doubt that these Hydro Plus Cylinders will do the job. Thanks Jon you added another item to my wish list.
You could always make a ramp with some lumber to get extra height. I definitely recommend getting a set of forks. I use mine more than I thought I would for all sorts of things.
That is a better idea. I am still making payments on my 2380. Thanks ! @@russellg5849
All great things come to those who are willing to wait Jon so others will just have to wait until you have daylight again 😮😊❤
I hope to get some time this week to video the lift capacity test.
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Unfortunately From testing messicks did you go well over front axle capacity even with the stock cylinders!
It's not really a concern of mine. If I break something I guess I'll fix it. I know it's any issue but I'll cross that bridge if I need to.
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How about putting some racing stripes on it? 😁😁😁
Some super fast ones to make it go faster. 👍
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I have an LA 344 on my bx2680. Do you have any idea what the difference is and will these work on mine?
Thanks for a great video
I'm pretty certain the loaders on all the BX series tractors have the same stock capacities. The higher hp of the 2680 doesn't affect loader capacity.
Sorry for the late reply but these cylinders will work for you if you're interested. They should be back in stock in a week or two.
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Higher lift = less stability
True but operator experience helps.
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You should try to dump it in the dump trailer.
I will eventually be doing that. Probably not until next spring though. We are gearing up for snow around here.
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@@ritterjon 👍
Nice how much a cylinder?
They are listed for $800 per pair. Currently on back order but should be available around Thanksgiving from what I’m told.
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Where do I buy them.
Hydrosplus has a website. If I make a hyperlink, youtube will remove the comment.
Why would you want to lift anything that high anyways unless you have a death wish....
Sometimes it comes in very handy. No issues if you’re confident in what you’re doing.
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