First of all, thank you for doing these videos. Also, please thank your partner for doing the video with you on this as well. Last but not least, I also would like to know is there any difference among different booster as to how long will the boosting effect stay in the rubbers? Once again, great videos.
...but I will say it feels like the booster effect lasts 3-4 weeks with most of the boosters. Please consider supporting this channel via the following link: www.buymeacoffee.com/thepongprof (no fees to you; creator keeps 95% of donation). Every little bit helps.
@@etobej6410 Hi - Not in a organized manner. Imo boosters like the yellow Haifu or Kailin maintain their effect at least for 25 hours of playing (and likely double that).
Did you measure the duration of the boosters after initial maturation? In other words, how long after application the characteristics of the boosters were still perceived.
This series were the one I was waiting for , so firstly thanks for completing the series. One other question would be is haifu regular 3 layers or haifu yellow national version is better ? Seems to me there is significant characteristic when applying 3rd layer in haifu regular and seems like it s very affective and faster than the others . It could be just my interpretation and I might be long. I heard many Chinese players using 4 layers of boosters. It also is my understanding that the hurricane on an extremely fast blade is the way they make up for the relatively slowness of the tacky rubbers . At this point it could be the 7 layer wood could just be tad slow to use the h3 thus creating the need for physical input. A composite blade like zhang jike zlc would be very interesting to see how these rubbers would react
No doubt that switching to a composite blade could be advantageous wrt the speed of the H3. My problem is that I play with short pips in the BH and I have never gotten comfortable playing short pips with a composite blade. I crave a thicker feeling. The compromise has become 7-ply all-wood blades.
@@ThePongProfessor I see , I used the same tibhar blade but it s just too slow for my forehand game on material rubbers . I do use frictionless anti on my backhand and use andro Treiber co off because it feels like wood but has carbon in it and is stiff and lower throw ( important for anti) .
@thepongprofessor Great test you did here with these booster mega test videos 👍 would love to see a review of dynasty xu xin blade and battle II rubber.
May I put a question, related to boosting here? I took of my 3 times boostered H3 blue sponge to glue it to another blade. Now it curled the other way round as after boosting. It was not a dome, the edges came up heavyly. Is this a signal, to re-booster the rubber?
@@ThePongProfessor I did as you suggested and kept it as it was. Meantime I boostered another H3 prov. BS 3 times with Falco Long (with long pauses between the layers and before glueing) and the dome was like in your video above. BUT - especially on the lower half of the topsheet, the brand new rubber looks like being used for weeks, without cleaning. 🙄 Have you seen this during your tests?
@@jochenbuthe75 completely normal. It‘s supposed to be like that. Check the pic of pro player rubber before game like FZD. The rubber even looks beaten.
Thanks for this comparison series, helped me a lot! I have two questions: 1 - the 3rd layer was applied over the dry glue, right? So, how long did it take to this last booster layer to dry? 2 - after that, have you applied glue again? Or you just needed to apply on the blade and than stick it?
Re 1: I applied over the dry glue, and it took the booster roughly the same amount to become absorbed as after the second layer. Re 2: I applied glue again.
Very good reviews, congratulation! So, in your opinion, which would be the best booster, considering the performance / price ratio? FTLB, HFMNYB or another?
That's a difficult question as different players will have different preferences. Also it depends on your usage. One bottle of booster will last you a LONG time, unless you boost excessively. Is $50 for a bottle of Haifu Nat'l Yellow expensive if it can improve the playing characteristics of twenty $20 sheet of H3 to a level you are comfortable with? I think, one can make a case for most of the boosters save, perhaps, for FP and HSM-NB.
Hey - As you know boosters are already of questionable legality (i.e., they are illegal but boosting at the higher levels is so widespread and the rule unenforceable that it is quasi accepted use). Speed glue, on the other hand, is most definitively illegal and poses a serious health risk, unless you glue outside. For me that's crossing a line. I don't have any plans to try out speed glue again (I used to speed glue as a kid and the feeling was fantastic).
@@ThePongProfessor Haha, Thanks for the response PongProfessor. Yes I was just very curious how the boosters compared to the previous speed glue feel. I truly miss the sound and feel newly speed glued rubbers had and wondered whether boosting gave the equivalent effect.
Thanks for the video update! If you were to put a time between the application of the second (for part 2 video and third (re-boosting) layer approximately how much time has gone by?
Let me put this question a bit wider: we know, the booster effect will leave after 2-3 months. Is a "re-freshing" with 1 layer giving back the effects we saw after step one (2 layers)? I don't think, all of the booster will disappear from the sponge. Thanks for the helpful testing, PongProf
I boosted the rubbers initially at the end of November 2021, then played 3-4 hours with each of them for the following ~3-4 weeks, then re-boosted over X-mas. In my opinion, the booster last a certain number of play hours (my hypothesis is that the oil seeps out through the topsheet and rubs off on the ball and hands). I don't think absolute time from application matters.
Can you give me any feedback regarding Falco Bio Booster if you happened to know. Is it a good booster? Any info you can share is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
how much time of playing did you get before doing the reboosting? because your rubbers look super flat and it shouldn't happen. clearly your blade is sucking the sponges dry. you should put a thin layer of wipe on poly with a clothe. it's a very thin varnish that doesn't leave a coat over the wood. you still feel the wood grain afterwards. even after 6 months mine are still curled.
The rubbers did not have a whole lot of time on them. No more than 10 hours. One factor that led to the rubbers being fairly flat following the third booster application, was that I boosted "through the glue layer" when I did the third application (which is why I generally don't boost through the glue layer).
Hi - Honestly, I don't know. As I explained in other comments, I cannot test the longevity of equipment (unless I play with it myself) since I am testing a lot of equipment.
Thanks for the video. When you reassembled the paddles how many layers of WBG did you used in the rubber & in the wood, like 1st assembly 3 layers WBG rubber & 2 layers wood?
No, I left the existing dry glue on the rubber. I then added on more booster layer and let it sink in. Then, once dry, I added one glue layer on the rubber and one on the blade.
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Does the booster effect wear off more easily under higher heat and cold environment because I left my rubber (DHS hurricane 3 neo provincial) in the car and it was super cold I'm afraid affects the rubbers boosting effect. Also does tackiness go off if it's cold because tackiness is like wet?
You should always protect you rubber from oxidation by excluding air as much as possible. I doubt that cold temperature negatively affect the rubbers (assuming you allow it to warm up to room temperature before playing with it). Humidity (irrespective if it is warm or cold) decreases tackiness imo, but once humidity is back to "normal", so is tackiness.
Thanks to sharing your work.
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First of all, thank you for doing these videos. Also, please thank your partner for doing the video with you on this as well. Last but not least, I also would like to know is there any difference among different booster as to how long will the boosting effect stay in the rubbers? Once again, great videos.
Thanks. I haven't carried out longevity tests on the boosters.
...but I will say it feels like the booster effect lasts 3-4 weeks with most of the boosters.
Please consider supporting this channel via the following link: www.buymeacoffee.com/thepongprof (no fees to you; creator keeps 95% of donation). Every little bit helps.
@@ThePongProfessor did u meanwhile test the longevity of the boosters?
@@etobej6410 Hi - Not in a organized manner. Imo boosters like the yellow Haifu or Kailin maintain their effect at least for 25 hours of playing (and likely double that).
Did you measure the duration of the boosters after initial maturation? In other words, how long after application the characteristics of the boosters were still perceived.
Not systematically. The strongest effects start to wear off after ~20 hours
This series were the one I was waiting for , so firstly thanks for completing the series. One other question would be is haifu regular 3 layers or haifu yellow national version is better ? Seems to me there is significant characteristic when applying 3rd layer in haifu regular and seems like it s very affective and faster than the others . It could be just my interpretation and I might be long. I heard many Chinese players using 4 layers of boosters. It also is my understanding that the hurricane on an extremely fast blade is the way they make up for the relatively slowness of the tacky rubbers . At this point it could be the 7 layer wood could just be tad slow to use the h3 thus creating the need for physical input. A composite blade like zhang jike zlc would be very interesting to see how these rubbers would react
No doubt that switching to a composite blade could be advantageous wrt the speed of the H3. My problem is that I play with short pips in the BH and I have never gotten comfortable playing short pips with a composite blade. I crave a thicker feeling. The compromise has become 7-ply all-wood blades.
@@ThePongProfessor I see , I used the same tibhar blade but it s just too slow for my forehand game on material rubbers . I do use frictionless anti on my backhand and use andro Treiber co off because it feels like wood but has carbon in it and is stiff and lower throw ( important for anti) .
would you recommend using 3 layers of yellow haifu on a hurricane 3 national sponge blue??
I use a 7 sheet wood (clipper)
I would not use 3 layers of booster on any rubber. My recommendation for a national blue would be one, max two thin layers.
@thepongprofessor Great test you did here with these booster mega test videos 👍 would love to see a review of dynasty xu xin blade and battle II rubber.
Thanks for the suggestion. I am planning on editing a video review of the Dynasty blade with H3 at some point. It is long since I tried the Battle II.
May I put a question, related to boosting here? I took of my 3 times boostered H3 blue sponge to glue it to another blade. Now it curled the other way round as after boosting. It was not a dome, the edges came up heavyly. Is this a signal, to re-booster the rubber?
By the sound of it, I think your H3 is still heavily boosted. I would use it as-is without additional boosting.
@@ThePongProfessor Ok. Thanks
@@ThePongProfessor I did as you suggested and kept it as it was. Meantime I boostered another H3 prov. BS 3 times with Falco Long (with long pauses between the layers and before glueing) and the dome was like in your video above. BUT - especially on the lower half of the topsheet, the brand new rubber looks like being used for weeks, without cleaning. 🙄 Have you seen this during your tests?
@@jochenbuthe75 completely normal. It‘s supposed to be like that. Check the pic of pro player rubber before game like FZD. The rubber even looks beaten.
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Thank you
can you make a chart on how long the boosters last for until needs to be boosted again
6-7 differentially boosted rubbers, perhaps having to play 50 hours with each. It is simply not feasible. I have too much equipment to test.
Thanks for this comparison series, helped me a lot!
I have two questions:
1 - the 3rd layer was applied over the dry glue, right? So, how long did it take to this last booster layer to dry?
2 - after that, have you applied glue again? Or you just needed to apply on the blade and than stick it?
Re 1: I applied over the dry glue, and it took the booster roughly the same amount to become absorbed as after the second layer.
Re 2: I applied glue again.
Can you compare the durability of these booster until reboost is needed ? did you have the chance to tet the natioanl white ?
National white test is coming up. I think the strongest effect wears off after ~20 hours, but the softness persists
Very good reviews, congratulation!
So, in your opinion, which would be the best booster, considering the performance / price ratio? FTLB, HFMNYB or another?
That's a difficult question as different players will have different preferences. Also it depends on your usage. One bottle of booster will last you a LONG time, unless you boost excessively. Is $50 for a bottle of Haifu Nat'l Yellow expensive if it can improve the playing characteristics of twenty $20 sheet of H3 to a level you are comfortable with? I think, one can make a case for most of the boosters save, perhaps, for FP and HSM-NB.
Hey Pong, great videos! I loved the in-depth review and comments. How about comparing boosters to speed glue?
Hey - As you know boosters are already of questionable legality (i.e., they are illegal but boosting at the higher levels is so widespread and the rule unenforceable that it is quasi accepted use). Speed glue, on the other hand, is most definitively illegal and poses a serious health risk, unless you glue outside. For me that's crossing a line. I don't have any plans to try out speed glue again (I used to speed glue as a kid and the feeling was fantastic).
@@ThePongProfessor Haha, Thanks for the response PongProfessor. Yes I was just very curious how the boosters compared to the previous speed glue feel. I truly miss the sound and feel newly speed glued rubbers had and wondered whether boosting gave the equivalent effect.
May i know what blade you were using for this series? Thanks in advance
I used the Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition in this test. Actually, I used 7 of them !!
Thanks for the video update! If you were to put a time between the application of the second (for part 2 video and third (re-boosting) layer approximately how much time has gone by?
Let me put this question a bit wider: we know, the booster effect will leave after 2-3 months. Is a "re-freshing" with 1 layer giving back the effects we saw after step one (2 layers)? I don't think, all of the booster will disappear from the sponge.
Thanks for the helpful testing, PongProf
I boosted the rubbers initially at the end of November 2021, then played 3-4 hours with each of them for the following ~3-4 weeks, then re-boosted over X-mas. In my opinion, the booster last a certain number of play hours (my hypothesis is that the oil seeps out through the topsheet and rubs off on the ball and hands). I don't think absolute time from application matters.
@@ThePongProfessor Thanks for clarifying.
Can you give me any feedback regarding Falco Bio Booster if you happened to know. Is it a good booster? Any info you can share is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I have not tried the bio booster. If it is similar to the Dandoy Bio Bosster, it is designed to be used on European rubbers, not H3-type rubbers.
do you think it is ok to boost the rubbers after the boost effect is gone? if yes, should I remove the dry glue from the rubber?
I would only boost rubbers one (two think layers as discussed in Part 2). Re-boosting makes the rubbers too soft
how much time of playing did you get before doing the reboosting? because your rubbers look super flat and it shouldn't happen. clearly your blade is sucking the sponges dry. you should put a thin layer of wipe on poly with a clothe. it's a very thin varnish that doesn't leave a coat over the wood. you still feel the wood grain afterwards. even after 6 months mine are still curled.
The rubbers did not have a whole lot of time on them. No more than 10 hours. One factor that led to the rubbers being fairly flat following the third booster application, was that I boosted "through the glue layer" when I did the third application (which is why I generally don't boost through the glue layer).
Haifu Sea Moon National Black booster How long does its effect last on average this booster?
Hi - Honestly, I don't know. As I explained in other comments, I cannot test the longevity of equipment (unless I play with it myself) since I am testing a lot of equipment.
What glue do you use to counter act the dome effect as I have ruined many a rubber trying to boost
You need several layers of a thick glue. I am using ~3 layers of Revolution 3 normal viscosity.
@@ThePongProfessor thanks great video
@@paulaldcroft1104 Thanks
i used Paraffin Oil, give me a curl like Natl black booster. i can also say that it bacome soft and grippy
It all comes down to what works for you :)
Thanks for the video. When you reassembled the paddles how many layers of WBG did you used in the rubber & in the wood, like 1st assembly 3 layers WBG rubber & 2 layers wood?
I did one layer WBG blade and one layer rubber
No, I left the existing dry glue on the rubber. I then added on more booster layer and let it sink in. Then, once dry, I added one glue layer on the rubber and one on the blade.
@@ThePongProfessor I did as you said, thanks.
Anybody tried Dandoy boostee?
I tried it Dandoy on ESN rubbers but not Chinese rubbers.
Can I trust TTNPP?
I purchased from them before. Shipping may take a long time, especially if there are C19 restrictions.
@@ThePongProfessor the cheap thing i don’t mind but I’m interested in buying a racket :”)
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Does the booster effect wear off more easily under higher heat and cold environment because I left my rubber (DHS hurricane 3 neo provincial) in the car and it was super cold I'm afraid affects the rubbers boosting effect. Also does tackiness go off if it's cold because tackiness is like wet?
You should always protect you rubber from oxidation by excluding air as much as possible. I doubt that cold temperature negatively affect the rubbers (assuming you allow it to warm up to room temperature before playing with it). Humidity (irrespective if it is warm or cold) decreases tackiness imo, but once humidity is back to "normal", so is tackiness.