I grew up in an IFB church and also attended the school there. The emotional damage done is something I am just now beginning to truly see and deal with and I’m almost 50. Thank you for this video. You are spot on.
After listening to your explanation, I am convinced that I wouldn’t want to attend an IFB church. Years ago I attended a Baptist church pastored be an angry man who made it a practice of driving out people whom he deemed to be unsaved. He was a hardline Calvinist, and he preached in an angry tone of voice that drove us away. Now I attend an independent church led by a very loving couple, and my soul is nurtured and healed.
I can relate. I grew up in IFB, my dad was a deacon, we never missed a service. I didn’t get saved until I left home and went into the Navy. It was all about the rules and not sincere christianity, so I just assumed that I was saved all those years of following the rules. My wife has been helping me see how “judgemental” I had been because of it. The past couple years I have been growing closer to God because I have been studying the Bible for myself, asking the Holy Spirit to teach me. I can’t believe how many “doctrines “ the IFB held that were not Biblical, just opinions. We have recently joined a church that is currently IFB , but the new pastor assured me he is not going to make the same mistakes, as he has had some of the same experience in the past. Just allow God to work in your life, Jesus said “let no man deceive you” . Get in His word daily. Thanks for the video.
Wow, so helpful. Thank you for sharing ❤. I've been In the IFB for 20 years. Believe it or not I've been more emotionally damaged by brainwashed members than the pastor.
@Ann ie Seek Jesus and He will lead you into green pastures and He will restore your soul!! It’s not so much about a place but a person. Get with Him and you’ll be where you’re supposed to be.
I want to thank you. I will turn 40 in January. I have tried to express my hurt for years but couldn't do it as well as you. There is an audience out there and I am a part of that.
Wow, the stories we could share! There is so much immaturity in the IFB. Pasters, preachers, teachers, and members that have been saved for years are still babes in Christ. Thank you for this video
This has already blessed me and I'm only 16 minutes in to it:):) Thank you so much for sharing your story! My family and I were in a SBC affiliated church for 7 yrs. after a couple yrs of seeing red flags, we started going to an IFB church. We knew the pastor/his family. It's taken us 3 yrs to realize some of the rules and teachings are unbiblical and cultish!!! On the surface, it seems just like personal preferences. But now we see it's deeper than just preferences!!!!!!! So, we are praying and waiting for the Lord to take us out of there. For over 2 yrs, my teenage daughter has been struggling with assurance of her salvation. And a bit more than a year for me.....because of the contradictions in the pastor's sermons. Please pray for us. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love and hugs to u from North Carolina!!
Saved through an IFB church when I was 18. Taught and trained for 12 year's. Moved and joined a Missionary Baptist Church. Rejected for not following three Bible. Over the next 15 years, belonged to 3 more Independent churches, some of which were quite different. I have to say your analysis is very accurate. And the attitudes can interfere with growing spiritually, and serving God. Thank you for sharing and being open and honest. You see much with a clear eye. Godspeed brother.
I love your video. I was in a IFB pastoral abuseive relationship for 15 years. Nothing physically, all emotionally and spiritually. It was so bad, I almost killed myself. I was a IFB evangelist for 10 years until my former pastor called and bad mouthed me to the pastors that I preached for. None of those pastors in the 20 churches that had me come and preach for them, talked to me anymore. All for questioning my former pastor on one certain subject that he could not prove it from God's Word. I have not been in church for 3 years because of this and many,, many other things throughout the years. I am afraid of going through the same things again. Please pray for me about this.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. It is absolutely terrible. Just know that is not the way God is or His true church. You are in my prayers friend. Let me know if I can help in any other way. God bless you!
I learned this a few years ago but wish I learned it a lot sooner...do not let others kick you out of ministry. Not that someone can actually kick you out but is more along the lines of not quitting ministry because of what others do to you or say to you. In essence, this is what happened. Perhaps that pastor could not kick you out of ministry but what happened is he got you to kick yourself out of ministry. Might be hard to hear but as I said, I wish I learned this years ago when I left Bible College-wish I had someone share this with me.
I went through a similar turn of events for over 40 years. My conclusion: you don't need a corporate Church to please God, worship God or be right with God. Worship Him in spirit and in the at home and at work. You'll be the better for it.
Thank you Brother for sharing these things with a kind and loving heart. I think everything you discussed was both accurate and insightful. Keep up the great work. 👍
Thank you sir for being lead by the spirit and being bold enough to do the right thing. It looks like this video was posted years ago, but is exactly what I need today. You exposed false doctrines and man made traditions, while maintaining the Love of Christ. Your testimony is a true encouragement to me, and many others need to hear this too.
I agree with your testimony brother. The SDA church/cult is very similar in its self-righteousness and legalism while claiming salvation by faith alone.
I tried IFB because, on paper, their doctrine lined up with mine. But the preaching was mostly condemnation. I couldn't take it anymore. You explained it very well.
Just listened to this. A lot is true of what you say. My issue with a lot of IFB churches is how they cheapen salvation to a quick sinners prayer with no mention of repentance. They love to brag about salvation and soul winning numbers when most professions lack fruit. There’s more I can say, but that’s my main issue.
I am glad you were able to get free. I am sure there has been much hurt and disappointment over the years. I remind all of us that these man made systems like the IFB are not a reflection of God in any way. God has not failed us. Enjoy living in the freedom in Christ and the healing He will bring. I am here to help in any way it is needed. God bless!
I grew up in an IFB church but it was entirely different. It was back in the 60’s. It was Christ centered, without all the man made rules. The pastor did not follow Hyles who I think poisoned 🤮 the Baptist Church. A lot of child molesters, rapist, abusers every other dredge from Hell go right back to Hyles. His son in law is in prison for having sex with a minor for months. His son had dozens of affairs while he was pastor at 2 different churches. All that hateful yelling and crucifying other Preachers is not of the God of The Bible. This guy here is right.
Exactly what my wife and I had seen in the IFB all those years we attended we are slowly walking away .we are surching for bible christ loving church please pray we find one.
My wife and I briefly attended an IFB church in a small town north of Charlotte, North Carolina. The pastor openly called people faggot and queer and also belittled people from other churches. He was also extremely racist. I’ll never go back to an IFB church. If you’re in one my advice is run run fast and far away from them. For example a young black man got saved. These pastor ignored him completely.
Could have said this all myself. Thank you, just hearing it helps me know I'm not crazy and I'm on the right path. Changing your view on this is a long long process.
So many good points in your talk - too many to comment on each and every one. You really resonated with me when you said you placed more importance on being Biblical above being Baptist. Some of my profs (former IFB pastors) from my IFCA Bible College said the same thing. My wife and I tasted a little of the abuse on visits to IFB churches. Once I was introduced by the pastor as a visitor but they failed to mention I was there with my wife - a total snub. We confronted that pastor (a BJU grad) after the service. He only made it worse by trying to show a false interest in her background. What a crash and burn that was. Another church where the retired/former pastor was very cordial in greeting members he used to shepherd but became red and stone-faced when it came to us as visitors. I figured it out. My wife was wearing pants. That was the end of my interest on joining up with the IFB's after graduation. I like you, Matt. We think alike. In a different reality, we could have been friends.
100% spot on. After 50+ years in IFB we have never felt more free since leaving. As parents that “allowed” our children to be educated in public schools, we were worldly and ruining our children. Amazing how our children have become very successful adults and most of the Christian School educated are barely making enough money to survive or even still living at home at age 30 and 40.
I was raised up southern baptist. While searching the scriptures I realized that the doctrine for Baptist’s did not line up with the Bible. While studying Gods word I came to the knowledge of Jesus Christ that He only established 1 church. Ephesians 4:4-5. When I obeyed the gospel and was baptized the Lord added me to His church the body of Christ.
I grew up IFB and even attended a couple of IFB colleges. My wife and I left the IFB movement in 2001 and have been SBC since then. We are still finding that the Baptist church has many problems, SBC or IFB. Many in these two groups have been gravitating towards non-denominational or Bible churches. We're still considering those options.
God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone.
After growing up in IFB church I finally escaped with my family 14 years ago. Thank goodness my kids didn't get very much exposure and went into public school when we moved to another state. My dad starting pastoring a similar type church 20 years ago and I tried to watch some of his sermons on TH-cam starting a few years ago. He focuses a lot on end times and how bad the world is getting as well as railing against LGBT community. Ironically he has two gay grandchildren. He finally has a church that he has molded into the exact version he likes and everyone else outside his tiny acceptable circle is just wrong.
I guess I’m lucky. I left the SBC and joined a very small IFB church. What you’ve described is not what this church is like. My pastor is not a loud fist pounding preacher. I joined this church because everyone there was so welcoming and supportive. We all have issues and our burdens are each other’s burdens. I know men can mess up God’s will in so many ways. I will say, many of the churches I went to in my area and it was more like a social club than a place to learn about God. We often have times when we have questions about something and our pastor will normally put his sermon aside and we have an open discussion so we can learn, we sometimes don’t agree. I hope your church continues to thrive, it’s all about the spirit and your spirit seems pure. Good luck!
I done some research on IFB. The battles they faced all the way back to the 1800’s were lost. If God were on there side, they wouldn’t have lost all those battles they thought they were doing for the Faith. The Holy Spirit within me questions there connection to the Father.
73, there all my life like you. Ostracized by family, no other way out. All are not as bad as where we went… we were a cult. New pastor new friends, new family same resurrected savior. (This took over 20 years). The isolation nearly killed me. Lock your doors preacher, some are dangerous
I have attended a IFB church for four years and currently attend a school based on the IFB movement. For a while now, I have been looking for another Christian to acknowledge all the things I am disgusted by in this movement. The truthful but loving way you addressed this movement’s issues has given me hope that there is a way forward past the hurt I have experienced in it. Thank you for making this video, and God bless you.
You worded this perfectly. I Grew up in a greatbible teaching and very loving IFB church ... I then went to a IFB bible college and wow it was a culture shock, very what you described here. I love many things about IFB churches but the opinion based legalism and the judging is a real problem.
@@thenurturedsoul2701 I went to West Coast Baptist College, left IFB in 2007 for a non denominational church, then when we moved in 2016 a southern baptist church. It would not be the top of my list but I am not against ever being a part of a IFB church again if looking for a good church, I loved, value, and miss some things about them, it would just greatly depend on the specific church and the pastor.
The only thing I like about the IFB js the music. It still sticks to old fashioned hymns for worship. All other things especially the content of the sermons preached are toxic garbage.
17:44 excellent point, the story starts, “A certain man had two sons,” not “There were two sons”. The “certain man” is put forth as the object of the story.
I don’t belong to an IFB Church but I enjoy the preaching as I often find myself knee deep in conviction. It’s not just IFB that seems to have forgotten Grace, many have. You kinda lost me at it being ok to send your kids to schools. The Bible is very clear on educating kids. I’m certainly no expert but I don’t think a Bible believing/following Church would encourage sending children to be educated/babysat by the world. We are to be in this world but not of it. Society has fallen so far that preaching the Bible disturbs folks. I’m sorry that you’ve been hurt and I pray The Lord will use your pain to grow in Him and that you able to project that growth onto other followers.
The most egregious error of the IFB is their faulty teaching of salvation. Many of them teach (which I have listened to) that a person can pray the sinner’s prayer, walk the aisle, raise their hand in a church service, make a profession of faith, with no life change, no interest in gathering with believers, no bible study, no prayer, no evangelism, no practical holiness, and still be saved just "lose rewards." Many of them teach that a person can live in a perpetual, unrepentant lifestyle of sin and still go to heaven, just "lose rewards." Many of them teach that people can take Christ as their Savior, but not as their Lord and still be saved. Though the Bible teaches that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone apart from works, if we truly saved, we will follow Christ as Lord as a lifestyle, we will continue to repent, we will continue to have good works, and although imperfectly, we will live an ongoing life of holiness, there will be lasting fruit, and we will persevere in the faith to the end. The IFB labels this understanding as "works salvation" which is absolutely ridiculous. The word of God in the verses below are clear and plain to those who are teachable and who care more about being faithful to God’s word than to their IFB church tradition and affiliation. 1 Corinthians 6: [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: NEITHER FORINCATORS, NOR idolaters, NOR ADULTERERS, NOR effeminate, NOR abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] NOR THIEVES, NOR COVETOUS, NOR DRUNKARDS, NOR revilers, NOR extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Galatians 5: [19] Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Ephesians 5: [5] For this YE KNOW, THAT NO WHOREMONGER, NOR UNCLEAN PERSON, NOR COVETOUS MAN, WHO IS AN IDOLATER, HATH ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 1 John 3:[10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSEOVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother. Revelation 21:[25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. [26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. [27] AND THERE SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO IT ANYTHING THAT DEFILETH, NEITHER WHATSEOVER WORKETH ABOMINATION, OR MAKETH A LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. 1 John 3:[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: WHOSOEVER SINNETH HATH NOT SEEN HIM, NEITHER KNOWN HIM. Hebrews 12: [14] Follow peace with all men, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD. 3 John 1: [11] Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: BUT HE THAT DOETH EVIL HATH NOT SEEN GOD.
I'm not defending any IFB by saying this, but I know of NO IFB church that teaches any of those things you spoke of. That is all new evangelical teaching that you described. I believe Lord AND Saviour, just not Saviour alone. Jesus said "Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and don't do the things I say?" We are called to be holy, meaning "set apart" from the world. Separated... but not isolated. I know there are some bad IFB churches, but what about the rest of Protestantism, where the preaching is shallow at best? No sin, no righteousness, no judgment. I know, I've been there. Rainbow flags flying from every denomination. God forbid. Methodist churches split over the LGBTQ issue, but yet they never preach anything about alcoholism, cohabitating, abortion, fithy music, public schools confusing our children's minds with gender decisions, evolution, natural selection and the list goes on. Yes I understand there are some bad IFB churches and even more Protestant churches, no-name churches included. Most people leave churches because their "feelings got hurt" but they'll scratch until they can find a "reason" to leave. The pastor always gets the blame. I've read some sad stories here. It's shameful for "Christians" to air their dirty laundry to the world, and then wonder why the lost are turned off to anything Christ or His church. I'm thankful the Word of God hurt my feelings and exposed my sins. It wasn't an IFB pastor that hurt my feelings either. What hurts me the most is the fluff that's passed off for Bible preaching today. That word "love" is so misused today by people that don't know agape love. What they don't understand is that they're going to "love" people right into Hell. The time is now to wipe the tears, find FORGIVENESS for those who have "hurt their feelings" - and get going with the Gospel.
I grew up in no church , got radically transformed and set free by God's love. Through much confirmation I was called to travel the world and unite the body of Christ. Putting love above all else. My husband (a Christian) not too picky on titles decided to join me in this .... well about 3 years into our marriage he discovered IFB and said God confirmed this is the only biblical denomination out there. I have seen much of what you say. Division, tradition, rules, etc... I've stopped doing what I feel called because my husband now wants my full embrace in the IFB and for me to take strong stances of disagreement with many ministries I work with. He's become very rigid, controlling, hurtful, demanding my submission, demeaning. It's one thing to not know the truth of God's heart and find out then leave. A whole other beast to know and have tasted the Lord's goodness than become Subject to the IFB belief system. It's been extremely hard. Recently he asked me to get rebaptized into the IFB denomination as it was the only way we could become members. I don't feel comfortable doing it but feel I may have no choice. He's made it clear that even if we do it I'm still a "disobedient wife" because he said I must agree with all his stances and not show that I disagree. I believe the lost will know us by our love for one another more than our doctrinal agreements, but he does not agree.... all I can say is I desperately need prayer for my family. Thank you!
@@thenurturedsoul2701 thank you! Today after reading the bylaws of the church I felt strongly I could not go forward in becoming a member. My husband is very upset with me. To cut off the evangelical ministries and people who are like family to me. People who we've done contemporary Christian music together in the midst of some tough situations just to see the lost led to Christ. People who I know love the Lord. People I've walked side by side on the mission field with as they surrounded us with machetes, all for the sake of getting the name of Jesus out and His love. I just can't look down upon them any less because they may listen to Christian music that's not hymns or God forbid may use a heretical Bible that's not KJV. I just can't. My big prayer right now is do I continue to stay at the church we are at (which thankfully they have been very kind to me) or do I go where I can flourish in the community of believers that surround me. It appears my husband believes I am rebellious either way because true submission would be submitting my beliefs to that of my husband but I don't know how it's possible for me to honestly change them. I'm scared cause my husband does deal with alcoholism, even more so when he's stressed. So I am worried this season is going to be rough no matter what. Praying those expectations will prove false though. But GOD!
I was raised in just basic congregations etc and stuff but I found salvation in 2023 (thought I was saved and wasn’t) I love my independent Baptist church. I’ve been to corrupt ifb churches mind is fun supportive educational and awesome!
I grew up in IFB culture. Legalism is a big problem. The first indication to me was when I heard a phrase during a sermon that went like "It's not legalism, but..." When you're far more concerned about women wearing pants on a Tuesday morning than the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual conditions of those women, it's a big problem. Another thing I had issues with later in life was that the Holy Spirit didn't seem to have a place in the IFB church. I never once heard a sermon that focused on the role of the Holy Spirit, other than he convicts you of your need for salvation. (Then I guess he moves onto the next unsaved person?) As far as I was concerned, the Trinity was the Father, Son, and "Pastor Jim Bob" (not the real name of any person I know.) The Holy Spirit is just as important in the day to day, but I had no idea. It took visiting other types of churches and serious study of the Bible to realize this. How many Christians are content to just gloss over the Bible in any given day on their own and just lean on sermons only for Biblical knowledge? Too many, probably.
In the last three IFB churches I attended, I could not remember the preachers attack Satan in the pulpit. Many times I rather hear them attack people including some church members or pastors of other churches…
I remember the IFB churches from the mid-1970s and the preachers from that time, e.g. John R. Rice, Lee Roberson, Jack Hyles, Lester Roloff, Curtis Hutson, and the BobJones University people. The Bible schools had strict dress codes. Men could not have their hair touching the back of their shirt collars, hemlines of women's dresses/skirts had to be below the knee by several inches, women could not wear pants or slacks, men could not have beards or moustaches unless they could prove they had the facial hair for at least ten years, etc., etc. The most prominent IFB doctrine at the time, besides belief in a "pre-trib" rapture, was belief that the KJV was the God-ordained English translation of the Bible. It seems nothing has changed except for allowance of beards and moustaches for men.
I am struggling with all the things that were from fundamentalism, but not from the bible. I dont listen to anybody anymore. You prove you know any more than anybody else, nobody has all the of the truth.
I'm 45 and I grew up in the IFB movement. I've been around too. A few of my observations: 1. The deeds and doctrines of the Nicolaitans. You touched on this without wording it like this but we've elevated pastors above the congregation. Everything revolves around the pastor and his family while the congregation lives out in the real world and struggles. 2. Some of these churches and pastors see the same problems as us. But there are 2 completely opposite reactions. The 1st group just walk away. The 2nd group throws out the baby with the bathwater. This group overreacts and doesn't strengthen the things that remain. They throw out everything that is good and holy. 3. I've talked to good Christian people who love the Lord. They go to church and block out the sermon because it is nothing but fake preaching. Then they go home and listen to other men online because they're starving to death.
Well, wow, I am a IFB. I am completely opposed to the Hyles camp. and I wanted to thank you for taking Baptist off of your church name. That is a real blessing to people that are truly Baptist. I listened and waited and you did not disappoint. I was pretty sure that you would say something about most people Bibles and you did. While, I understand what you mean about not much content in messages, I really don’t think that’s the lack of content is what your problem is. But nevertheless, I appreciate you exposing yourself for who you really are. P.S.-you may want to consider taking up smoking. Perhaps it would lower the decimal of your voice tone down to a manly level in 20 or 30 years.
Even if Hyles was not involved with his secretary, I would never want to say I went to his church or his Bible college. He liked to be worshipped, and many who followed him gladly accommodated him doing just that. Men are men, all in sinful flesh capable of falling because of pride. While I honor the pastoral office, I do not worship my pastor. I worship the Lord who is perfect and worthy of worship.
There are two fundamental errors with regard to the law. 1. Legalism and 2. Antinomianism. The one teaches salvation by keeping the law or doing a list of desirable actions. The second teaches we are not under the law but under grace but this must be qualified lest we over turn the commandments and become lawless. All Christians are under the law to Christ. While Christ kept the law perfectly and has imputed His righteousness to us nevertheless we are to honor the Lord by keeping the law as much as possible. God hates lawlessness and sin and sin is the breaking of God's commandments. NOTE: What did the apostle Paul teach about God's law? Are Christians required to keep it? Is it a curse and unnecessary for salvation? What should be a Christian's attitude toward the law? Paul, in no uncertain terms, tells us what he thinks of the law. He states, "Therefore, the law is indeed holy, and the commandment holy and righteous and good . . . " (Romans 7:12). The idea that believers who have faith abolish or no longer need God's law was a foreign concept to the apostle Paul. Are we, then, abolishing law through faith? May it never be! Rather, we are establishing law (Romans 3:31). Most churches miss the truth on these two points.
My wife and I started attending an IFB about two and a half years ago. We are now on our way out, after realizing everything you described in this video. Thank you for speaking the truth. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God. Is there a way I can personally speak to you.
I attended for almost a year. They definitely do this. Women weren’t allowed to talk to other men. Even if it was just ( Hey how are you). I was mid sentence and the woman turned and walked away. The church said the only music any Christian should listen to is Christian blue grass. Every kid worshiped the pastor like the Pope.
You can't intimidate people into salvation, or by "angry preaching" .. should be done with love, kindness and the full truth... The Truth doesn't follow the traditions of men over the Word. That's what the pharaisees and the sadducees did.
These people have been a bunch of people that shun, I must be a loose cannon because I’ve been called out from the pulpit at least 6 or 7 times. It’s crazy when I realized what was going on. I did not fit in there. They wanted me gone. They would sure love to keep my husband though. Thank you for insight, God bless.
I have seen the ugliness of the IFB from Bob Jones to Hyles Anderson. It really is disheartening. You are right that one should centre themselves on Christ and the KJV Bible.
It is vital to come out of that which is wrong but it is even more important to enter that which true. Otherwise one is no better than before, just different.
I have a doctrinal question. It seems like the video heavily attacks works-based preaching vs grace-based Christianity. What do you do with 2 cor 5:10? For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
That is a great question. This is of course referring to the bema seat of Christ where Christians will be rewarded for our faithfulness in being a good steward. These works will be because of our faith and love for God not to impress Him or appease His wrath. The good works will also be genuinely godly works not making the opinions and preferences of man elevated to the commandments of God. Because of the grace of God I can be faithful and a good steward and it is my desire to do so. Hope that helps to answer your question!
I love that the IFB love Spurgeon However Spurgeon wasn't just a Baptist. He was a Particular Baptist who affirmed the “five points” of Calvinism throughout his life
How did the following Christ part go? I think most honest people (not all of course) myself included once you deconstruct the denomination you also deconstruct the religion itself. Christ is the anointing. If you live an honest, loving, purposeful life of improvement for yourself, others, and society as a whole, you are Christ. You are the anointed one when you learn we are all Christ. As Jesus said, he and the father are ONE and he wanted his disciples to understand the same.
That more sounds like sinful people that are teaching to fear. Grace and Truth are both equally important. Grace without truth is a lie and truth without grace is not like Christ. I have been in the IFB movement my whole life and have seen both happened regularly which is sad. Truth is there is problems no matter where you are at. One thing I have believed is that whatever the Bible teaches that's what I am no matter what the name that given to me is. By the name Baptist to me it really is the closest denomination to the Bible but in practice we mess that up a lot. I hope you continue to follow God and have His Word be the sole authority for your church. God bless you brother.
I'm IFB myself, I don't agree with every jot or tittle they preach on, but there's enough they do preach on I agree with, I couldn't see myself being anything else. I'm my own man, there are people in our ranks I tune into, but others I'll tune out. Im not knocking anybody, but st some point, it's up to you to figure out what's true or false being led by the Spirit.
I don't know what happened in your church with you. I am extremely happy with my Fundamental Baptist Church and I don't find we have the issues you talked about. We have a wonderful minister who preaches the word and we don't have the problems you mentioned; and we have a happy church.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
So false doctrine or bad teaching pushed me away… I asked God when I was a kid a simple prayer and he spent two decades answering it but I didn’t know until one day just me and him I sat and finally started reading my Bible again and WOW they were so incredibly WRONG and to simply put it. The gospel means “good news” and he told us to go around and spread the good news and selfishly that means I’m lucky and fortunate that our God is so great that he died for us. He took on the cross so that we NEVER have to. That’s amazing. I wish that message was taught to me as a child instead of making me feel worthless and guilty. The guilt is over the accuser satan is the one who goes around condemning us for being sinful, not God. God forgave us and doesn’t keep record of our sins we are shrouded in the blood of Christ. This is how I know we’re in final end times with war in Israel it’s because of how broken and divided the church is. My own family has gotten upset and argued with me when I was speaking from the words in RED. That is a huge red flag, they’re arguing with Jesus and I’m not saying I’m him, I’m saying I was using the words in red to make a point and they rebuked it. Makes no sense to me
I went to their school for a year in North Carolina. The kids were bullies just because. I also am afraid of the sermons at times. The kids would constantly bug me and tell me do this. The teachers were jerks too. I admit I like secular music and such While I am grounded in Catholicism pretty well. How do I get over the bad memories of the kids?
I do not know if I have a good answer on how to overcome...that has never been my problem. I went to a IFB Bible College in SoCal...after five years of active duty service in the Marines. So I never was in a place where I felt intimidated. I have seen people try to intimidate me but it just never worked.
@@CatholicNeil No, not for some time now. Still have good friends in that movement, some of them Pastors. I went to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible college 1995-1996. I left very frustrated for a lot of reasons but one of them-a huge one or two-no institutional integrity (which colors my view more than anything else-integrity). Another reason was for learning nothing I could not learn on my own. For example,when taking classes on books of the Bible-felt more like Sunday School. Well I can do the same thing without charging people for it. That school does not exist with that name, they left San Dimas, CA and moved to Oklahoma City, OK and reflagged as Heartland Baptist Bible College while also exiting the BBFI-because the BBFI was not KJVO enough for them. WasIFB for about ten years starting in 1990.
@@CatholicNeil Not really though I would say I have met more than a few Catholics whom I would swear that they were saved (no different than I or anyone else who claims to be a person of faith. This based on observable attitudes and actions.)
You must've went to the wrong IFB church. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with good hard KJB preaching. Last I checked, Jesus and the Apostles didn't preach soft hippie sermons. The purpose of being a Christian is to spread the gospel and further our sanctification. If your church doesn't convict you, and instead makes you comfortable about who you are (a sinner) then you're at the wrong church.
It's not the church's job to convict a Christian or an unsaved person, it's the holy spirit of God. When is the last time you heard a sermon on the Holy Spirit God in and capital ifb Church?
@@mikemanuel8880 yes it is the church's job only because the church's job is to preach the Word of God, which in turn WILL convict you. Also it is the church's job to have a type of discipline. If you're a sinner and not convicted in a church, they aren't preaching the Word of God. Maybe a small part, but not all of it, and very likely they aren't founded in solid biblical doctrine. Literally last Sunday our sermon was about the Holy Spirit, and quite often the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the sermon in some way. If you're talking about in some heretical way like a Pentacostal, Prosperity Gospel, Word of Faith, etc then never. We stick to ACTUAL biblical truths. There is No governing body over the IFB. so if someone DOES truly have a bad experience with an IFB church then they absolutely cannot blame IFB churches. That'd be like playing little league baseball and your coach abuses you and so you blame ALL little league organizations. It doesn't make any sense and is quite foolish.
@@mikemanuel8880 I know I already replied once, but just mentioning further; almost every sermon I hear at my local church has to do with the Holy Spirit.. it is ABSOLUTELY the churches job to preach a sermon that can and will convict you of your sins. Or are we going to pretend Jesus and the Apostles didn't do EXACTLY THAT... ???
True IFB churches are independent. That means they aren't part of a movement or organization. If you have a bad experience at an IFB church, find a better one. If you have a bad experience at your favorite restaurant because of poor management, you don't write off the restaurant, you find one with better management that is ran better. I'm sorry you got hurt, but I've been to some amazing IFB churches and I have been in some terrible IFB churches. Churches are full of sinful people. Just because it has the IFB label, doesn't mean it's good.
I've got a doozy to tell ya about. I don't know the pastor's name...but a friend of mine used to go to an IFB church here. She said that one Sunday morning, the pastor gave a sermon on children. When he was done, as he stepped away from the pulpit, she said that she couldn't help but notice this certain bulge in his pants. I just hope and pray that he has never actually done anything like that to a child. I've been Baptist my whole life, and thankfully, NEVER IFB (I'm Freewill Baptist but grew up Southern Baptist, BTW). And given all the horror stories I've heard about the IFB, I have NO plans to EVER be part of one. Hyles and Schapp have done ruined the IFB's reputation in my book.
I currently go to an independent Baptist church and the pastor said he would put fundamental in there bc that is what he believes but it's to long and that it connects to bad IFB churches. He stresses that he teaches biblical truth and in love and is first and foremost and I do see that and agree but I also see things like kids are sent to particular colleges and only have their own events and of course othe independent Baptist people come to preach. I have heard him down other denominations, not in a mean way but still not respected. He talks about how works does not get you to heaven but yes they do do a lot of stuff and wants a lot of involvement which is understandable to a certain extent. I have felt like an outcast as I have not joined the church. They are in the process of building a new church and I wonder if things will change once the new building is established. I will continue to go there but I have to say I will keep my guard up. I dont feel that he is any better than any other there but sometimes I feel he makes quiet judgements on others based on their attendance or giving or Involvement, membership. I do see the disagreement thing. They are right and that's it but many there don't wear dresses or has short hair, doesnt listen to only their kind of music and they are still accepting. They do go out into the community to share the gospel and where to find them at their church. But I see what your saying. Totally do. Honestly I wouldn't know where else to go. It's a choice, dark concert type churches, ungodly teachings, or a church that has no attendance bc they don't go out and try to draw people in. It's dead.
I like to add I ve followed bible teachings on youtube, i thought the kjv was the only accurate bible and yesterday after watching a vid about someone saying it's not true that even they used a greek from Erasmus the catholic priest and we do not use AV 1611 but 1769 ig and how someone teaching salvation said after, u have to be in a church and become independent fundamental baptist and how they don't believe in the gifts of Holy Spirit like visions, prophecy, tongues, and i didn't know it the latter, and having someone i know is spiritual on TH-cam, RoundSaturneye R$E who said i shouldn't use only kjv, that's it's the best translation but not the only one, seeing IFB is called movement here, red flags and why a label, so yesterday after leaving holding Kjv only i felt so free and loose and happy and I related to it since you said being free im Christ, i really felt that liberty and neing loosed from burden, thank u for a video full of love and sharing
I go to an IFB church and I LOVE my pastor! But... I can say that MANY NARs are all about "love" but not about what is harsh in the Bible. We must accept balance. Please list "traditions" of the IFB. I would like to know. So much harm has been done by the Catholic, JW, Charismatic churches. And the IFB is one of them too?? "Man worship"? Respect pastor, yes. My pastor is a human being. Yes. But women... read the Bible. They are yes, below men. They have their place, yes. Calvinism.. John Clavin.. "man they worship. We do not "worship" our pastor. No threatening or hurt in our IFB. Do NOT lump them all together! Catholiscm.. as well as Roman Catholic.. are works based. You went to a bad church. Too bad for your experience! So are you more Charismatic? My IFB church is not like that.
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We've moved around over the yrs and attended 4 different IFB churches and they all follow the same guidelines some more some less. Here are just a few "preferences" that are preached as doctrine with no biblical substance. KJV is the only Bible ever, suits and ties, skirts and dresses, piano music only, no music with percussion, don't clap your hands to the music, don't clap after anyone sings/plays, no new music only hymns from 60+ yrs ago allowed, don't raise your hand in praise, absolutely no rythym allowed, zero forms of alcohol, seperation more like isolation from the world, don't associate with anyone not of the same belief unless on the job or witnessing, homeschool is standard, public school is abhorred. You are looked down upon if you don't dress the part, not there everytime the door is open, have you're kids in public school, listen to the evil klove/ccm, question any of the processes. The worst is I realized that I had become part of this attitude and thinking, where we put ourselves on a pedestal and look down on everyone else that didn't look, do, talk, to and believe exactly just like us. We were the pharisees who patted ourselves on the back and said I'm glad I am not like them. Jesus had compassion on people.
I forgot a few. You already mentioned that women are an after thought thanks, women can never wear pants/shorts (though many do in secret), like he said they are very good at giving the gospel but, not helping new christians grow and many fall out, you have normal people all of sudden accept Christ and expected to live like there in the 40s and wether you admit it or not sections of the KJV can be very cumbersome. You almost need a class covering the KJV but, they don't get one and we wonder why they leave or the church can't grow. The fact is IFB is a brand and one that says the old way is better, not the Biblical way, just our old ways. It's so hypocritical.
Arlin Horton, founder of Pensacola Christian College, Bob Jones University, Jack Hyles, Hyles-Anderson College, FBC-Hammond, Trinity in Jacksonville, FL, Bob Gray, Peter Ruckman, Jack Shaap, Hyles's son-in-law, the Bill Rice Ranch, the Sword of the Lord, John R. Rice, Crown College outside of Knoxville, Tennessee, and worst of all, you talk about angry, Steven Anderson. He's mean and cruel. Bob Jones III, Bob Jones Jr., the Wilds Christian Camp, all these organizations and people I've mentioned (among others). Man-centered cult!
Could I ask why you believe the crown college in Knoxville is a cult? I’m seriously wondering because I was thinking about going there next year, and I want to make sure I’m making the right decision.
Each church, no matter what the denomination affiliation, has to be judged as to how it measures up to the Bible. I have been in independent churches most of my life and have not found much of what is inferred about them to be true. The world has entered into the churches, and it is hard to find a good one these days. You will never find a perfect one. If you do, don’t join it because you will probably ruin it.
I hear about follow the Bible however Jesus gave 2 commandments in which all other will follow.. The first is love the Lord with all your heart mind and soul the second is love your neighbor as yourself.. In that commandment I never seen the word except who is your neighbor every one. How do you bring people to Christ if we take it upon ourselves to be god of judgement and punishment condemning others telling others they are less than and or not good enough do we serve god by chasing others away from him. Gentiles were not accepted in Jesus time all gentiles were unclean yet gods grace has been extended to all. So we cannot do gods job we must love others not condemn them. IF we do that than we are showing gods true love. We don't have to condone others behavior or way of life but we must act and treat others with love. It don't mean we have to live like others.
I wish I could say I understand but it was IFB but other doctrine and I can give you the church name and location if you want to know it's not all IFB.
Independent fundamental baptist is not an organization controlled by a head or entity that is man made! Every church is different, every pastor is different, every congregation is different! You cannot throw a blanket over every church that is independent and make it factual! Each individual church stands alone and answers to no man made organization! Each pastor is responsible to Jesus and the congregation! I’ve attended many of these churches and none of them are the same! Some speak of these churches as an organized man controlled group that are cookie cutter identical! It’s all lies! If you have a beef with your church, so be it, but don’t blast every independent church with false information!
Is the NIFB better abuse/scandal wise? I saw one pastor whose boys “locker talk” consisted of sodomy and violating a virgin girl at their church. I’ve seen anti-trinitarianism, anger tantrums, “get this bum out of here”, throwing the Bible, etc. I appreciate their biblical stance that Zionism is heresy, but sadly I see other issues.
I do understand what you’re saying, but I believe that you are using personal experiences to undermine a “denomination.” There are good IFB churches, and there are bad ones. That’s true of any denomination. The “rules” or “laws” in IFB churches of which you speak have to do with living a holy life, not salvation. There is supposed to be tension between Christians and the world. We are supposed to have different standards and preferences (and yes, music, clothing, etc. are preferences) than the world. I have long said that personal convictions and preferences are not doctrines. I will agree that there is a little too much pastor, and even church idolization in some IFB churches. Again, this is a problem with most churches across the board. You could have remained IFB and just been one of the “good” ones. It is sad to hear you are abandoning the distinctives (which are Biblical) because some pastors and churches are jerks. Your issues with attitude are valid, but I don’t hear many critiques of IFB doctrine, and that is what truly matters.
Good grief, another self-appointed expert who evidently does not understand the word “independent.” Is he suggesting that because he has “evidence” of some sort it means he can ignore or redefine the English word independent. So if this dude is no longer a fundamentalist, a fair and honest question he needs to honest which he absolutely should answer and does not answer in this weak talk about his “journey” to wherever he is going from wherever he has been, is which core fundamental doctrine has he now abandoned. About the only honest observation this gentleman makes is that he is speaking about a majority of those he has observed. I wonder what his honest response would be to those who would say to all churches with the name “Charity” in its title has both feet firmly planted in mid-air! All we needed was yet another dude artificially telling us what is wrong with a group of Christians all the while making sure we know how right and correct he happens to be. Another gentleman adding to the war and fighting and causing further divisions to the cause of Christ, just what we needed. He said he does not want the disunity and yet he is wanting to add to the disunity by having a presentation like this. He says he has been badly hurt, will someone tell this fellow to find his healing with Christ and not take it out on a group of Christians. Let’s hope that he will find what he needs in Christ.
@@mikehardy4474 Paul said “I am your FATHER in Christ.” My guess is Paul knows more than u. My guess is the Catholic Church is right and You are wrong.
John MacArthur has an. excellent video on youtube concerning the Roman catholic church. I suppose you don't know what the church teaches or believes. Check it out it's very enlightening. May God bless you as you do.
I grew up in an IFB church and also attended the school there. The emotional damage done is something I am just now beginning to truly see and deal with and I’m almost 50. Thank you for this video. You are spot on.
Same here. In my case, they ruined us financially, and to the point where we'll never recover. Too late for me. I'm now 62.
After listening to your explanation, I am convinced that I wouldn’t want to attend an IFB church. Years ago I attended a Baptist church pastored be an angry man who made it a practice of driving out people whom he deemed to be unsaved. He was a hardline Calvinist, and he preached in an angry tone of voice that drove us away. Now I attend an independent church led by a very loving couple, and my soul is nurtured and healed.
I can relate. I grew up in IFB, my dad was a deacon, we never missed a service. I didn’t get saved until I left home and went into the Navy. It was all about the rules and not sincere christianity, so I just assumed that I was saved all those years of following the rules. My wife has been helping me see how “judgemental” I had been because of it. The past couple years I have been growing closer to God because I have been studying the Bible for myself, asking the Holy Spirit to teach me. I can’t believe how many “doctrines “ the IFB held that were not Biblical, just opinions. We have recently joined a church that is currently IFB , but the new pastor assured me he is not going to make the same mistakes, as he has had some of the same experience in the past. Just allow God to work in your life, Jesus said “let no man deceive you” . Get in His word daily. Thanks for the video.
be careful. of course the new IFB pastor assured you of whatever you needed to be assured of. thats what they do.
It’s been 2 years now, how have things been? Can you give us an update?
Wow, so helpful. Thank you for sharing ❤. I've been In the IFB for 20 years. Believe it or not I've been more emotionally damaged by brainwashed members than the pastor.
Spot on bro!! I have lived my entire life in this movement. In many ways I’m being led out of it!!
@Ann ie Seek Jesus and He will lead you into green pastures and He will restore your soul!! It’s not so much about a place but a person. Get with Him and you’ll be where you’re supposed to be.
I want to thank you. I will turn 40 in January. I have tried to express my hurt for years but couldn't do it as well as you. There is an audience out there and I am a part of that.
Wow, the stories we could share! There is so much immaturity in the IFB. Pasters, preachers, teachers, and members that have been saved for years are still babes in Christ. Thank you for this video
Because they never hear sound, solid teaching/doctrine. Just the same old benign, milky sermons.
This has already blessed me and I'm only 16 minutes in to it:):) Thank you so much for sharing your story! My family and I were in a SBC affiliated church for 7 yrs. after a couple yrs of seeing red flags, we started going to an IFB church. We knew the pastor/his family. It's taken us 3 yrs to realize some of the rules and teachings are unbiblical and cultish!!! On the surface, it seems just like personal preferences. But now we see it's deeper than just preferences!!!!!!! So, we are praying and waiting for the Lord to take us out of there. For over 2 yrs, my teenage daughter has been struggling with assurance of her salvation. And a bit more than a year for me.....because of the contradictions in the pastor's sermons. Please pray for us. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love and hugs to u from North Carolina!!
Praying for you from QLD AUSTRALIA ❤
@@susanyoung6490 thank you so much!!!!!!♥️🙌🏼🤗🤗
Saved through an IFB church when I was 18. Taught and trained for 12 year's. Moved and joined a Missionary Baptist Church. Rejected for not following three Bible. Over the next 15 years, belonged to 3 more Independent churches, some of which were quite different.
I have to say your analysis is very accurate. And the attitudes can interfere with growing spiritually, and serving God. Thank you for sharing and being open and honest. You see much with a clear eye. Godspeed brother.
I love your video. I was in a IFB pastoral abuseive relationship for 15 years. Nothing physically, all emotionally and spiritually. It was so bad, I almost killed myself. I was a IFB evangelist for 10 years until my former pastor called and bad mouthed me to the pastors that I preached for. None of those pastors in the 20 churches that had me come and preach for them, talked to me anymore. All for questioning my former pastor on one certain subject that he could not prove it from God's Word. I have not been in church for 3 years because of this and many,, many other things throughout the years. I am afraid of going through the same things again. Please pray for me about this.
I am so sorry you had to go through that. It is absolutely terrible. Just know that is not the way God is or His true church. You are in my prayers friend. Let me know if I can help in any other way. God bless you!
@@thenurturedsoul2701 thanks. I appreciate it
I learned this a few years ago but wish I learned it a lot sooner...do not let others kick you out of ministry. Not that someone can actually kick you out but is more along the lines of not quitting ministry because of what others do to you or say to you. In essence, this is what happened. Perhaps that pastor could not kick you out of ministry but what happened is he got you to kick yourself out of ministry. Might be hard to hear but as I said, I wish I learned this years ago when I left Bible College-wish I had someone share this with me.
I went through a similar turn of events for over 40 years. My conclusion: you don't need a corporate Church to please God, worship God or be right with God. Worship Him in spirit and in the at home and at work. You'll be the better for it.
So I thank you for speaking out. Very refreshing to hear a pastor speak the truth about the IFB.
So well said and with a heart of loving concern- a true shepherd’s heart. Thank you, brother
Man you nail so much in this video, praise the Lord.. good job, thank you for this, stay strong in your ministry
Thank you Brother for sharing these things with a kind and loving heart. I think everything you discussed was both accurate and insightful. Keep up the great work. 👍
Thank you sir for being lead by the spirit and being bold enough to do the right thing. It looks like this video was posted years ago, but is exactly what I need today. You exposed false doctrines and man made traditions, while maintaining the Love of Christ. Your testimony is a true encouragement to me, and many others need to hear this too.
Amen brother you are 100% spot on. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate this video. Keep up the good work God bless you
I agree with your testimony brother.
The SDA church/cult is very similar in its self-righteousness and legalism while claiming
salvation by faith alone.
Thank you brother. Your journey is not unlike mine. God bless you and your ministry.
I tried IFB because, on paper, their doctrine lined up with mine. But the preaching was mostly condemnation. I couldn't take it anymore. You explained it very well.
Just listened to this. A lot is true of what you say. My issue with a lot of IFB churches is how they cheapen salvation to a quick sinners prayer with no mention of repentance. They love to brag about salvation and soul winning numbers when most professions lack fruit. There’s more I can say, but that’s my main issue.
I am in the exact situation. i've been in the IFB church since I was a kid. What you are talking about the works, thats so true!
20 years in the IFB .. we finally left. Your msg describes what we were not able to articulate.
I am glad you were able to get free. I am sure there has been much hurt and disappointment over the years. I remind all of us that these man made systems like the IFB are not a reflection of God in any way. God has not failed us. Enjoy living in the freedom in Christ and the healing He will bring. I am here to help in any way it is needed. God bless!
I grew up in an IFB church but it was entirely different. It was back in the 60’s. It was Christ centered, without all the man made rules. The pastor did not follow Hyles who I think poisoned 🤮 the Baptist Church. A lot of child molesters, rapist, abusers every other dredge from Hell go right back to Hyles. His son in law is in prison for having sex with a minor for months. His son had dozens of affairs while he was pastor at 2 different churches. All that hateful yelling and crucifying other Preachers is not of the God of The Bible. This guy here is right.
Agree to this. Hyles contributed greatly to the widespread pandemic of legalism in Baptist churches around the world.
Exactly what my wife and I had seen in the IFB all those years we attended we are slowly walking away .we are surching for bible christ loving church please pray we find one.
Praying for your search for a good, biblical church. Also praying for the wonderful spiritual journey God has you on right now!
My wife and I briefly attended an IFB church in a small town north of Charlotte, North Carolina. The pastor openly called people faggot and queer and also belittled people from other churches. He was also extremely racist.
I’ll never go back to an IFB church.
If you’re in one my advice is run run fast and far away from them.
For example a young black man got saved. These pastor ignored him completely.
One church does not make ally the others bad.
Could have said this all myself. Thank you, just hearing it helps me know I'm not crazy and I'm on the right path. Changing your view on this is a long long process.
So many good points in your talk - too many to comment on each and every one. You really resonated with me when you said you placed more importance on being Biblical above being Baptist. Some of my profs (former IFB pastors) from my IFCA Bible College said the same thing.
My wife and I tasted a little of the abuse on visits to IFB churches. Once I was introduced by the pastor as a visitor but they failed to mention I was there with my wife - a total snub. We confronted that pastor (a BJU grad) after the service. He only made it worse by trying to show a false interest in her background. What a crash and burn that was. Another church where the retired/former pastor was very cordial in greeting members he used to shepherd but became red and stone-faced when it came to us as visitors. I figured it out. My wife was wearing pants. That was the end of my interest on joining up with the IFB's after graduation.
I like you, Matt. We think alike. In a different reality, we could have been friends.
100% spot on. After 50+ years in IFB we have never felt more free since leaving. As parents that “allowed” our children to be educated in public schools, we were worldly and ruining our children. Amazing how our children have become very successful adults and most of the Christian School educated are barely making enough money to survive or even still living at home at age 30 and 40.
I was raised up southern baptist. While searching the scriptures I realized that the doctrine for Baptist’s did not line up with the Bible. While studying Gods word I came to the knowledge of Jesus Christ that He only established 1 church. Ephesians 4:4-5. When I obeyed the gospel and was baptized the Lord added me to His church the body of Christ.
I'm late but you said it. Amen +
I grew up IFB and even attended a couple of IFB colleges. My wife and I left the IFB movement in 2001 and have been SBC since then. We are still finding that the Baptist church has many problems, SBC or IFB. Many in these two groups have been gravitating towards non-denominational or Bible churches. We're still considering those options.
This video describes my experience with the IFB movement to a “T”. This is why we dropped the title in 2009.
...there's a church in Canada, changed its name from Fundamental Baptist Church to Bath Road Baptist Church
IFB churches may be Independent, but their pastors aren't.....
brucegerencser.net/2020/05/the-anatomy-of-the-ifb-church-movement/
@@derektan2971 true
God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone.
After growing up in IFB church I finally escaped with my family 14 years ago. Thank goodness my kids didn't get very much exposure and went into public school when we moved to another state. My dad starting pastoring a similar type church 20 years ago and I tried to watch some of his sermons on TH-cam starting a few years ago. He focuses a lot on end times and how bad the world is getting as well as railing against LGBT community. Ironically he has two gay grandchildren. He finally has a church that he has molded into the exact version he likes and everyone else outside his tiny acceptable circle is just wrong.
I guess I’m lucky. I left the SBC and joined a very small IFB church. What you’ve described is not what this church is like. My pastor is not a loud fist pounding preacher. I joined this church because everyone there was so welcoming and supportive. We all have issues and our burdens are each other’s burdens. I know men can mess up God’s will in so many ways. I will say, many of the churches I went to in my area and it was more like a social club than a place to learn about God. We often have times when we have questions about something and our pastor will normally put his sermon aside and we have an open discussion so we can learn, we sometimes don’t agree. I hope your church continues to thrive, it’s all about the spirit and your spirit seems pure. Good luck!
I was 9 years in the IFB, they ruined my life. Very hateful people
I done some research on IFB. The battles they faced all the way back to the 1800’s were lost. If God were on there side, they wouldn’t have lost all those battles they thought they were doing for the Faith. The Holy Spirit within me questions there connection to the Father.
Can you enlighten me more on those battles and the history going back to the 1800s? Or maybe share an article? Thanks!
73, there all my life like you. Ostracized by family, no other way out. All are not as bad as where we went… we were a cult. New pastor new friends, new family same resurrected savior. (This took over 20 years). The isolation nearly killed me. Lock your doors preacher, some are dangerous
I have attended a IFB church for four years and currently attend a school based on the IFB movement. For a while now, I have been looking for another Christian to acknowledge all the things I am disgusted by in this movement. The truthful but loving way you addressed this movement’s issues has given me hope that there is a way forward past the hurt I have experienced in it. Thank you for making this video, and God bless you.
You worded this perfectly. I Grew up in a greatbible teaching and very loving IFB church ... I then went to a IFB bible college and wow it was a culture shock, very what you described here. I love many things about IFB churches but the opinion based legalism and the judging is a real problem.
So true. The legalism is a real problem. What college did you go to? When did you leave the IFB? What kind of church did you move to?
@@thenurturedsoul2701 I went to West Coast Baptist College, left IFB in 2007 for a non denominational church, then when we moved in 2016 a southern baptist church. It would not be the top of my list but I am not against ever being a part of a IFB church again if looking for a good church, I loved, value, and miss some things about them, it would just greatly depend on the specific church and the pastor.
The only thing I like about the IFB js the music. It still sticks to old fashioned hymns for worship. All other things especially the content of the sermons preached are toxic garbage.
17:44 excellent point, the story starts, “A certain man had two sons,” not “There were two sons”. The “certain man” is put forth as the object of the story.
Thank you for this video and the information you have shared.
Absolutely! Hope it helps!
I don’t belong to an IFB Church but I enjoy the preaching as I often find myself knee deep in conviction. It’s not just IFB that seems to have forgotten Grace, many have.
You kinda lost me at it being ok to send your kids to schools. The Bible is very clear on educating kids. I’m certainly no expert but I don’t think a Bible believing/following Church would encourage sending children to be educated/babysat by the world. We are to be in this world but not of it. Society has fallen so far that preaching the Bible disturbs folks.
I’m sorry that you’ve been hurt and I pray The Lord will use your pain to grow in Him and that you able to project that growth onto other followers.
The most egregious error of the IFB is their faulty teaching of salvation. Many of them teach (which I have listened to) that a person can pray the sinner’s prayer, walk the aisle, raise their hand in a church service, make a profession of faith, with no life change, no interest in gathering with believers, no bible study, no prayer, no evangelism, no practical holiness, and still be saved just "lose rewards." Many of them teach that a person can live in a perpetual, unrepentant lifestyle of sin and still go to heaven, just "lose rewards." Many of them teach that people can take Christ as their Savior, but not as their Lord and still be saved. Though the Bible teaches that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone apart from works, if we truly saved, we will follow Christ as Lord as a lifestyle, we will continue to repent, we will continue to have good works, and although imperfectly, we will live an ongoing life of holiness, there will be lasting fruit, and we will persevere in the faith to the end. The IFB labels this understanding as "works salvation" which is absolutely ridiculous. The word of God in the verses below are clear and plain to those who are teachable and who care more about being faithful to God’s word than to their IFB church tradition and affiliation.
1 Corinthians 6: [9] Know ye not that the unrighteous SHALL NOT INHERIT the kingdom of God? BE NOT DECEIVED: NEITHER FORINCATORS, NOR idolaters, NOR ADULTERERS, NOR effeminate, NOR abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] NOR THIEVES, NOR COVETOUS, NOR DRUNKARDS, NOR revilers, NOR extortioners, SHALL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Galatians 5: [19] Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
Ephesians 5: [5] For this YE KNOW, THAT NO WHOREMONGER, NOR UNCLEAN PERSON, NOR COVETOUS MAN, WHO IS AN IDOLATER, HATH ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
1 John 3:[10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSEOVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Revelation 21:[25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. [26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. [27] AND THERE SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO IT ANYTHING THAT DEFILETH, NEITHER WHATSEOVER WORKETH ABOMINATION, OR MAKETH A LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
1 John 3:[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: WHOSOEVER SINNETH HATH NOT SEEN HIM, NEITHER KNOWN HIM.
Hebrews 12: [14] Follow peace with all men, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD.
3 John 1: [11] Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: BUT HE THAT DOETH EVIL HATH NOT SEEN GOD.
I'm not defending any IFB by saying this, but I know of NO IFB church that teaches any of those things you spoke of. That is all new evangelical teaching that you described.
I believe Lord AND Saviour, just not Saviour alone.
Jesus said "Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and don't do the things I say?"
We are called to be holy, meaning "set apart" from the world.
Separated... but not isolated.
I know there are some bad IFB churches, but what about the rest of Protestantism, where the preaching is shallow at best? No sin, no righteousness, no judgment.
I know, I've been there.
Rainbow flags flying from every denomination. God forbid.
Methodist churches split over the LGBTQ issue, but yet they never preach anything about alcoholism, cohabitating, abortion, fithy music, public schools confusing our children's minds with gender decisions, evolution, natural selection and the list goes on.
Yes I understand there are some bad IFB churches and even more Protestant churches, no-name churches included.
Most people leave churches because their "feelings got hurt" but they'll scratch until they can find a "reason" to leave. The pastor always gets the blame.
I've read some sad stories here.
It's shameful for "Christians" to air their dirty laundry to the world, and then wonder why the lost are turned off to anything Christ or His church.
I'm thankful the Word of God hurt my feelings and exposed my sins.
It wasn't an IFB pastor that hurt my feelings either. What hurts me the most is the fluff that's passed off for Bible preaching today.
That word "love" is so misused today by people that don't know agape love.
What they don't understand is that they're going to "love" people right into Hell.
The time is now to wipe the tears, find FORGIVENESS for those who have "hurt their feelings" - and get going with the Gospel.
I grew up in no church , got radically transformed and set free by God's love. Through much confirmation I was called to travel the world and unite the body of Christ. Putting love above all else. My husband (a Christian) not too picky on titles decided to join me in this .... well about 3 years into our marriage he discovered IFB and said God confirmed this is the only biblical denomination out there. I have seen much of what you say. Division, tradition, rules, etc... I've stopped doing what I feel called because my husband now wants my full embrace in the IFB and for me to take strong stances of disagreement with many ministries I work with. He's become very rigid, controlling, hurtful, demanding my submission, demeaning. It's one thing to not know the truth of God's heart and find out then leave. A whole other beast to know and have tasted the Lord's goodness than become Subject to the IFB belief system. It's been extremely hard. Recently he asked me to get rebaptized into the IFB denomination as it was the only way we could become members. I don't feel comfortable doing it but feel I may have no choice. He's made it clear that even if we do it I'm still a "disobedient wife" because he said I must agree with all his stances and not show that I disagree. I believe the lost will know us by our love for one another more than our doctrinal agreements, but he does not agree.... all I can say is I desperately need prayer for my family. Thank you!
You have my prayers. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to help you.
@@thenurturedsoul2701 thank you! Today after reading the bylaws of the church I felt strongly I could not go forward in becoming a member. My husband is very upset with me. To cut off the evangelical ministries and people who are like family to me. People who we've done contemporary Christian music together in the midst of some tough situations just to see the lost led to Christ. People who I know love the Lord. People I've walked side by side on the mission field with as they surrounded us with machetes, all for the sake of getting the name of Jesus out and His love. I just can't look down upon them any less because they may listen to Christian music that's not hymns or God forbid may use a heretical Bible that's not KJV. I just can't. My big prayer right now is do I continue to stay at the church we are at (which thankfully they have been very kind to me) or do I go where I can flourish in the community of believers that surround me. It appears my husband believes I am rebellious either way because true submission would be submitting my beliefs to that of my husband but I don't know how it's possible for me to honestly change them. I'm scared cause my husband does deal with alcoholism, even more so when he's stressed. So I am worried this season is going to be rough no matter what. Praying those expectations will prove false though. But GOD!
Praying for you. I have been in somewhat similar situation.
@@jeanwerschem3076 praying for you too. Never met anyone else. Let me know if you'd care to talk.
I was raised in just basic congregations etc and stuff but I found salvation in 2023 (thought I was saved and wasn’t) I love my independent Baptist church. I’ve been to corrupt ifb churches mind is fun supportive educational and awesome!
I grew up in IFB culture. Legalism is a big problem. The first indication to me was when I heard a phrase during a sermon that went like "It's not legalism, but..." When you're far more concerned about women wearing pants on a Tuesday morning than the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual conditions of those women, it's a big problem. Another thing I had issues with later in life was that the Holy Spirit didn't seem to have a place in the IFB church. I never once heard a sermon that focused on the role of the Holy Spirit, other than he convicts you of your need for salvation. (Then I guess he moves onto the next unsaved person?) As far as I was concerned, the Trinity was the Father, Son, and "Pastor Jim Bob" (not the real name of any person I know.) The Holy Spirit is just as important in the day to day, but I had no idea. It took visiting other types of churches and serious study of the Bible to realize this. How many Christians are content to just gloss over the Bible in any given day on their own and just lean on sermons only for Biblical knowledge? Too many, probably.
In the last three IFB churches I attended, I could not remember the preachers attack Satan in the pulpit. Many times I rather hear them attack people including some church members or pastors of other churches…
I remember the IFB churches from the mid-1970s and the preachers from that time, e.g. John R. Rice, Lee Roberson, Jack Hyles, Lester Roloff, Curtis Hutson, and the BobJones University people. The Bible schools had strict dress codes. Men could not have their hair touching the back of their shirt collars, hemlines of women's dresses/skirts had to be below the knee by several inches, women could not wear pants or slacks, men could not have beards or moustaches unless they could prove they had the facial hair for at least ten years, etc., etc.
The most prominent IFB doctrine at the time, besides belief in a "pre-trib" rapture, was belief that the KJV was the God-ordained English translation of the Bible.
It seems nothing has changed except for allowance of beards and moustaches for men.
What about Pensacola Christian College?
Thank you for sharing...I've been on a journey for some time now, trying to listen to what I believe is the Holy Spirit showing me discernment.
I am struggling with all the things that were from fundamentalism, but not from the bible. I dont listen to anybody anymore. You prove you know any more than anybody else, nobody has all the of the truth.
I'm 45 and I grew up in the IFB movement. I've been around too. A few of my observations:
1. The deeds and doctrines of the Nicolaitans. You touched on this without wording it like this but we've elevated pastors above the congregation. Everything revolves around the pastor and his family while the congregation lives out in the real world and struggles.
2. Some of these churches and pastors see the same problems as us. But there are 2 completely opposite reactions. The 1st group just walk away. The 2nd group throws out the baby with the bathwater. This group overreacts and doesn't strengthen the things that remain. They throw out everything that is good and holy.
3. I've talked to good Christian people who love the Lord. They go to church and block out the sermon because it is nothing but fake preaching. Then they go home and listen to other men online because they're starving to death.
Well, wow, I am a IFB. I am completely opposed to the Hyles camp. and I wanted to thank you for taking Baptist off of your church name. That is a real blessing to people that are truly Baptist. I listened and waited and you did not disappoint. I was pretty sure that you would say something about most people Bibles and you did. While, I understand what you mean about not much content in messages, I really don’t think that’s the lack of content is what your problem is. But nevertheless, I appreciate you exposing yourself for who you really are.
P.S.-you may want to consider taking up smoking. Perhaps it would lower the decimal of your voice tone down to a manly level in 20 or 30 years.
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Even if Hyles was not involved with his secretary, I would never want to say I went to his church or his Bible college. He liked to be worshipped, and many who followed him gladly accommodated him doing just that. Men are men, all in sinful flesh capable of falling because of pride. While I honor the pastoral office, I do not worship my pastor. I worship the Lord who is perfect and worthy of worship.
There are two fundamental errors with regard to the law. 1. Legalism and 2. Antinomianism. The one teaches salvation by keeping the law or doing a list of desirable actions. The second teaches we are not under the law but under grace but this must be qualified lest we over turn the commandments and become lawless. All Christians are under the law to Christ. While Christ kept the law perfectly and has imputed His righteousness to us nevertheless we are to honor the Lord by keeping the law as much as possible. God hates lawlessness and sin and sin is the breaking of God's commandments.
NOTE: What did the apostle Paul teach about God's law? Are Christians required to keep it? Is it a curse and unnecessary for salvation? What should be a Christian's attitude toward the law?
Paul, in no uncertain terms, tells us what he thinks of the law. He states, "Therefore, the law is indeed holy, and the commandment holy and righteous and good . . . " (Romans 7:12). The idea that believers who have faith abolish or no longer need God's law was a foreign concept to the apostle Paul.
Are we, then, abolishing law through faith? May it never be! Rather, we are establishing law (Romans 3:31).
Most churches miss the truth on these two points.
You are exactly right.
Very refreshing. Thank you for the video
The damage is life threatening - can’t believe I survived- my mother and her immersion almost killed me. I finally escaped.
My wife and I started attending an IFB about two and a half years ago. We are now on our way out, after realizing everything you described in this video. Thank you for speaking the truth. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God.
Is there a way I can personally speak to you.
Yes. Would love to talk with you. Send me a email at pastorsims@mac.com
I attended for almost a year. They definitely do this. Women weren’t allowed to talk to other men. Even if it was just ( Hey how are you). I was mid sentence and the woman turned and walked away. The church said the only music any Christian should listen to is Christian blue grass. Every kid worshiped the pastor like the Pope.
You can't intimidate people into salvation, or by "angry preaching" .. should be done with love, kindness and the full truth... The Truth doesn't follow the traditions of men over the Word. That's what the pharaisees and the sadducees did.
Agree with you
The bible is not a moral improvement plan
But
God,s rescue plan
I got out of the IFB in 1992, and now believe it is a cult.
Description certainly seems accurate.
These people have been a bunch of people that shun, I must be a loose cannon because I’ve been called out from the pulpit at least 6 or 7 times. It’s crazy when I realized what was going on. I did not fit in there. They wanted me gone. They would sure love to keep my husband though. Thank you for insight, God bless.
I have seen the ugliness of the IFB from Bob Jones to Hyles Anderson. It really is disheartening. You are right that one should centre themselves on Christ and the KJV Bible.
I am a Baptist but not a IFB
I don't go to a IFB and I go to a Missionary Baptist Church.
It is vital to come out of that which is wrong but it is even more important to enter that which true. Otherwise one is no better than before, just different.
I have a doctrinal question. It seems like the video heavily attacks works-based preaching vs grace-based Christianity. What do you do with 2 cor 5:10? For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
That is a great question. This is of course referring to the bema seat of Christ where Christians will be rewarded for our faithfulness in being a good steward. These works will be because of our faith and love for God not to impress Him or appease His wrath. The good works will also be genuinely godly works not making the opinions and preferences of man elevated to the commandments of God. Because of the grace of God I can be faithful and a good steward and it is my desire to do so. Hope that helps to answer your question!
I love that the IFB love Spurgeon
However
Spurgeon wasn't just a Baptist. He was a Particular Baptist who affirmed the “five points” of Calvinism throughout his life
How did the following Christ part go? I think most honest people (not all of course) myself included once you deconstruct the denomination you also deconstruct the religion itself. Christ is the anointing. If you live an honest, loving, purposeful life of improvement for yourself, others, and society as a whole, you are Christ. You are the anointed one when you learn we are all Christ. As Jesus said, he and the father are ONE and he wanted his disciples to understand the same.
That more sounds like sinful people that are teaching to fear. Grace and Truth are both equally important. Grace without truth is a lie and truth without grace is not like Christ. I have been in the IFB movement my whole life and have seen both happened regularly which is sad. Truth is there is problems no matter where you are at. One thing I have believed is that whatever the Bible teaches that's what I am no matter what the name that given to me is. By the name Baptist to me it really is the closest denomination to the Bible but in practice we mess that up a lot. I hope you continue to follow God and have His Word be the sole authority for your church. God bless you brother.
I'm IFB myself, I don't agree with every jot or tittle they preach on, but there's enough they do preach on I agree with, I couldn't see myself being anything else. I'm my own man, there are people in our ranks I tune into, but others I'll tune out. Im not knocking anybody, but st some point, it's up to you to figure out what's true or false being led by the Spirit.
My wife and myself lived this I'm the IFB,We are leaving the movement.
I don't know what happened in your church with you. I am extremely happy with my Fundamental Baptist Church and I don't find we have the issues you talked about. We have a wonderful minister who preaches the word and we don't have the problems you mentioned; and we have a happy church.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
I don't know much about them but there is one in my area that has a school. Based on their school holding hands is worse than rape. It's disgusting.
So false doctrine or bad teaching pushed me away… I asked God when I was a kid a simple prayer and he spent two decades answering it but I didn’t know until one day just me and him I sat and finally started reading my Bible again and WOW they were so incredibly WRONG and to simply put it. The gospel means “good news” and he told us to go around and spread the good news and selfishly that means I’m lucky and fortunate that our God is so great that he died for us. He took on the cross so that we NEVER have to. That’s amazing. I wish that message was taught to me as a child instead of making me feel worthless and guilty. The guilt is over the accuser satan is the one who goes around condemning us for being sinful, not God. God forgave us and doesn’t keep record of our sins we are shrouded in the blood of Christ. This is how I know we’re in final end times with war in Israel it’s because of how broken and divided the church is. My own family has gotten upset and argued with me when I was speaking from the words in RED. That is a huge red flag, they’re arguing with Jesus and I’m not saying I’m him, I’m saying I was using the words in red to make a point and they rebuked it. Makes no sense to me
I went to their school for a year in North Carolina. The kids were bullies just because. I also am afraid of the sermons at times. The kids would constantly bug me and tell me do this. The teachers were jerks too. I admit I like secular music and such
While I am grounded in Catholicism pretty well. How do I get over the bad memories of the kids?
I do not know if I have a good answer on how to overcome...that has never been my problem. I went to a IFB Bible College in SoCal...after five years of active duty service in the Marines. So I never was in a place where I felt intimidated. I have seen people try to intimidate me but it just never worked.
@@daveme7 Are you still in the IFB?
@@CatholicNeil No, not for some time now. Still have good friends in that movement, some of them Pastors.
I went to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible college 1995-1996. I left very frustrated for a lot of reasons but one of them-a huge one or two-no institutional integrity (which colors my view more than anything else-integrity). Another reason was for learning nothing I could not learn on my own. For example,when taking classes on books of the Bible-felt more like Sunday School. Well I can do the same thing without charging people for it.
That school does not exist with that name, they left San Dimas, CA and moved to Oklahoma City, OK and reflagged as Heartland Baptist Bible College while also exiting the BBFI-because the BBFI was not KJVO enough for them. WasIFB for about ten years starting in 1990.
@@daveme7 Are you ok with Catholicism?
@@CatholicNeil Not really though I would say I have met more than a few Catholics whom I would swear that they were saved (no different than I or anyone else who claims to be a person of faith.
This based on observable attitudes and actions.)
Is it just me or do i not see the difference between what he is saying and what the IFB pastors teach?
You must've went to the wrong IFB church. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with good hard KJB preaching. Last I checked, Jesus and the Apostles didn't preach soft hippie sermons. The purpose of being a Christian is to spread the gospel and further our sanctification. If your church doesn't convict you, and instead makes you comfortable about who you are (a sinner) then you're at the wrong church.
It's not the church's job to convict a Christian or an unsaved person, it's the holy spirit of God. When is the last time you heard a sermon on the Holy Spirit God in and capital ifb Church?
@@mikemanuel8880 yes it is the church's job only because the church's job is to preach the Word of God, which in turn WILL convict you. Also it is the church's job to have a type of discipline. If you're a sinner and not convicted in a church, they aren't preaching the Word of God. Maybe a small part, but not all of it, and very likely they aren't founded in solid biblical doctrine.
Literally last Sunday our sermon was about the Holy Spirit, and quite often the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the sermon in some way. If you're talking about in some heretical way like a Pentacostal, Prosperity Gospel, Word of Faith, etc then never. We stick to ACTUAL biblical truths.
There is No governing body over the IFB. so if someone DOES truly have a bad experience with an IFB church then they absolutely cannot blame IFB churches. That'd be like playing little league baseball and your coach abuses you and so you blame ALL little league organizations. It doesn't make any sense and is quite foolish.
@@mikemanuel8880 I know I already replied once, but just mentioning further; almost every sermon I hear at my local church has to do with the Holy Spirit.. it is ABSOLUTELY the churches job to preach a sermon that can and will convict you of your sins. Or are we going to pretend Jesus and the Apostles didn't do EXACTLY THAT... ???
True IFB churches are independent. That means they aren't part of a movement or organization. If you have a bad experience at an IFB church, find a better one. If you have a bad experience at your favorite restaurant because of poor management, you don't write off the restaurant, you find one with better management that is ran better. I'm sorry you got hurt, but I've been to some amazing IFB churches and I have been in some terrible IFB churches. Churches are full of sinful people. Just because it has the IFB label, doesn't mean it's good.
I've got a doozy to tell ya about. I don't know the pastor's name...but a friend of mine used to go to an IFB church here. She said that one Sunday morning, the pastor gave a sermon on children. When he was done, as he stepped away from the pulpit, she said that she couldn't help but notice this certain bulge in his pants. I just hope and pray that he has never actually done anything like that to a child.
I've been Baptist my whole life, and thankfully, NEVER IFB (I'm Freewill Baptist but grew up Southern Baptist, BTW). And given all the horror stories I've heard about the IFB, I have NO plans to EVER be part of one. Hyles and Schapp have done ruined the IFB's reputation in my book.
I currently go to an independent Baptist church and the pastor said he would put fundamental in there bc that is what he believes but it's to long and that it connects to bad IFB churches. He stresses that he teaches biblical truth and in love and is first and foremost and I do see that and agree but I also see things like kids are sent to particular colleges and only have their own events and of course othe independent Baptist people come to preach. I have heard him down other denominations, not in a mean way but still not respected. He talks about how works does not get you to heaven but yes they do do a lot of stuff and wants a lot of involvement which is understandable to a certain extent. I have felt like an outcast as I have not joined the church. They are in the process of building a new church and I wonder if things will change once the new building is established. I will continue to go there but I have to say I will keep my guard up. I dont feel that he is any better than any other there but sometimes I feel he makes quiet judgements on others based on their attendance or giving or Involvement, membership.
I do see the disagreement thing. They are right and that's it but many there don't wear dresses or has short hair, doesnt listen to only their kind of music and they are still accepting. They do go out into the community to share the gospel and where to find them at their church. But I see what your saying. Totally do.
Honestly I wouldn't know where else to go. It's a choice, dark concert type churches, ungodly teachings, or a church that has no attendance bc they don't go out and try to draw people in. It's dead.
I know what you mean. Seeking real truth and tradition without compromise but seeing problems all around. It’s hard.
I like to add I ve followed bible teachings on youtube, i thought the kjv was the only accurate bible and yesterday after watching a vid about someone saying it's not true that even they used a greek from Erasmus the catholic priest and we do not use AV 1611 but 1769 ig and how someone teaching salvation said after, u have to be in a church and become independent fundamental baptist and how they don't believe in the gifts of Holy Spirit like visions, prophecy, tongues, and i didn't know it the latter, and having someone i know is spiritual on TH-cam, RoundSaturneye R$E who said i shouldn't use only kjv, that's it's the best translation but not the only one, seeing IFB is called movement here, red flags and why a label, so yesterday after leaving holding Kjv only i felt so free and loose and happy and I related to it since you said being free im Christ, i really felt that liberty and neing loosed from burden, thank u for a video full of love and sharing
I go to an IFB church and I LOVE my pastor! But... I can say that MANY NARs are all about "love" but not about what is harsh in the Bible. We must accept balance.
Please list "traditions" of the IFB. I would like to know.
So much harm has been done by the Catholic, JW, Charismatic churches. And the IFB is one of them too??
"Man worship"? Respect pastor, yes. My pastor is a human being. Yes. But women... read the Bible. They are yes, below men. They have their place, yes.
Calvinism.. John Clavin.. "man they worship. We do not "worship" our pastor. No threatening or hurt in our IFB. Do NOT lump them all together!
Catholiscm.. as well as Roman Catholic.. are works based.
You went to a bad church. Too bad for your experience!
So are you more Charismatic?
My IFB church is not like that.
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Amen!
We've moved around over the yrs and attended 4 different IFB churches and they all follow the same guidelines some more some less. Here are just a few "preferences" that are preached as doctrine with no biblical substance. KJV is the only Bible ever, suits and ties, skirts and dresses, piano music only, no music with percussion, don't clap your hands to the music, don't clap after anyone sings/plays, no new music only hymns from 60+ yrs ago allowed, don't raise your hand in praise, absolutely no rythym allowed, zero forms of alcohol, seperation more like isolation from the world, don't associate with anyone not of the same belief unless on the job or witnessing, homeschool is standard, public school is abhorred. You are looked down upon if you don't dress the part, not there everytime the door is open, have you're kids in public school, listen to the evil klove/ccm, question any of the processes. The worst is I realized that I had become part of this attitude and thinking, where we put ourselves on a pedestal and look down on everyone else that didn't look, do, talk, to and believe exactly just like us. We were the pharisees who patted ourselves on the back and said I'm glad I am not like them. Jesus had compassion on people.
I forgot a few. You already mentioned that women are an after thought thanks, women can never wear pants/shorts (though many do in secret), like he said they are very good at giving the gospel but, not helping new christians grow and many fall out, you have normal people all of sudden accept Christ and expected to live like there in the 40s and wether you admit it or not sections of the KJV can be very cumbersome. You almost need a class covering the KJV but, they don't get one and we wonder why they leave or the church can't grow. The fact is IFB is a brand and one that says the old way is better, not the Biblical way, just our old ways. It's so hypocritical.
@@nonamepsalmist Yep. May I ask if you move to another church?
very true.
Arlin Horton, founder of Pensacola Christian College, Bob Jones University, Jack Hyles, Hyles-Anderson College, FBC-Hammond, Trinity in Jacksonville, FL, Bob Gray, Peter Ruckman, Jack Shaap, Hyles's son-in-law, the Bill Rice Ranch, the Sword of the Lord, John R. Rice, Crown College outside of Knoxville, Tennessee, and worst of all, you talk about angry, Steven Anderson. He's mean and cruel. Bob Jones III, Bob Jones Jr., the Wilds Christian Camp, all these organizations and people I've mentioned (among others). Man-centered cult!
They are very legalistic! Pharisees.
Could I ask why you believe the crown college in Knoxville is a cult? I’m seriously wondering because I was thinking about going there next year, and I want to make sure I’m making the right decision.
Bob Jones University is not IFC.
Each church, no matter what the denomination affiliation, has to be judged as to how it measures up to the Bible. I have been in independent churches most of my life and have not found much of what is inferred about them to be true. The world has entered into the churches, and it is hard to find a good one these days. You will never find a perfect one. If you do, don’t join it because you will probably ruin it.
I hear about follow the Bible however Jesus gave 2 commandments in which all other will follow.. The first is love the Lord with all your heart mind and soul the second is love your neighbor as yourself.. In that commandment I never seen the word except who is your neighbor every one. How do you bring people to Christ if we take it upon ourselves to be god of judgement and punishment condemning others telling others they are less than and or not good enough do we serve god by chasing others away from him. Gentiles were not accepted in Jesus time all gentiles were unclean yet gods grace has been extended to all. So we cannot do gods job we must love others not condemn them. IF we do that than we are showing gods true love. We don't have to condone others behavior or way of life but we must act and treat others with love. It don't mean we have to live like others.
Can there be an Independent Baptist church that's not a Fundamentalist?
In my opinion, no. Fundamentalism will always have a negative connotation.
I think so. Take out the grifting and narcissism, focus on truth and love.
I wish I could say I understand but it was IFB but other doctrine and I can give you the church name and location if you want to know it's not all IFB.
Independent fundamental
baptist is not an organization controlled by a head or entity that is man made!
Every church is different, every pastor is different, every congregation is different! You cannot throw a blanket over every church that is independent and make it factual! Each individual church stands alone and answers to no man made organization! Each pastor is responsible to Jesus and the congregation! I’ve attended many of these churches and none of them are the same! Some speak of these churches as an organized man controlled group that are cookie cutter identical! It’s all lies! If you have a beef with your church, so be it, but don’t blast every independent church with false information!
i love the IFB so much im NIFB
Is the NIFB better abuse/scandal wise? I saw one pastor whose boys “locker talk” consisted of sodomy and violating a virgin girl at their church. I’ve seen anti-trinitarianism, anger tantrums, “get this bum out of here”, throwing the Bible, etc. I appreciate their biblical stance that Zionism is heresy, but sadly I see other issues.
I do understand what you’re saying, but I believe that you are using personal experiences to undermine a “denomination.” There are good IFB churches, and there are bad ones. That’s true of any denomination.
The “rules” or “laws” in IFB churches of which you speak have to do with living a holy life, not salvation.
There is supposed to be tension between Christians and the world. We are supposed to have different standards and preferences (and yes, music, clothing, etc. are preferences) than the world.
I have long said that personal convictions and preferences are not doctrines.
I will agree that there is a little too much pastor, and even church idolization in some IFB churches. Again, this is a problem with most churches across the board.
You could have remained IFB and just been one of the “good” ones. It is sad to hear you are abandoning the distinctives (which are Biblical) because some pastors and churches are jerks.
Your issues with attitude are valid, but I don’t hear many critiques of IFB doctrine, and that is what truly matters.
Good grief, another self-appointed expert who evidently does not understand the word “independent.” Is he suggesting that because he has “evidence” of some sort it means he can ignore or redefine the English word independent. So if this dude is no longer a fundamentalist, a fair and honest question he needs to honest which he absolutely should answer and does not answer in this weak talk about his “journey” to wherever he is going from wherever he has been, is which core fundamental doctrine has he now abandoned. About the only honest observation this gentleman makes is that he is speaking about a majority of those he has observed. I wonder what his honest response would be to those who would say to all churches with the name “Charity” in its title has both feet firmly planted in mid-air! All we needed was yet another dude artificially telling us what is wrong with a group of Christians all the while making sure we know how right and correct he happens to be. Another gentleman adding to the war and fighting and causing further divisions to the cause of Christ, just what we needed. He said he does not want the disunity and yet he is wanting to add to the disunity by having a presentation like this. He says he has been badly hurt, will someone tell this fellow to find his healing with Christ and not take it out on a group of Christians. Let’s hope that he will find what he needs in Christ.
What is wrong with what he said though?
Fundalegalists
Sounds very catholic
Institutionalized patriarchy is the cause of most suffering.
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever
The Roman Catholic Church
The Bible says to call no man father except your father in heaven.Purgatory is not Biblical nor is praying thru Mary.
@@mikehardy4474
Paul said
“I am your FATHER in Christ.”
My guess is Paul knows more than u.
My guess is the Catholic Church is right and
You are wrong.
John MacArthur has an. excellent video on youtube concerning the Roman catholic church. I suppose you don't know what the church teaches or believes. Check it out it's very enlightening. May God bless you as you do.
He never said that.. what He said was he promised that his word would be saved not the Catholic church
Catholics call priests and the pope father.That as well as praying through Mary is not biblical.
Really insightful truth about the IFB Church model. Sadly, they're a false Church before God. 🗽☀️💄📚🐘💐🍯😎🏺💛🐎🧭💃🏝🧬🧬🧬🧬🧬🧬