I’m glad a logging truck is one of the first trucks you built. It will not only give you the data you need it will also push the truck to the limit. A side bonus you will finally get to hear nature on your drive up and down the mountains.
@@jimcalver-oj4xf It's called "ducking" in the radio and audio engineering worlds, reducing or cutting the music when your priority signal (two-way or an announcement) rises above a certain volume. I haven't seen these systems completely integrated but have found a few external ones. I've been looking at adding such a system to the family boat, dropping the tunes when something comes in on the marine VHF.
@@NathanielStauber As a fellow audio engineer I agree. It wouldn't be too difficult to do technically but requires radio manufacturers to do something they normally don't. You would need a special head unit with RCA inputs that had the programming to duck the music when signal from the VHF and / or CB inputs detected a signal. The problem is shipping the unit for under $1k.
@@NathanielStauber wouldn't that be quite easy to do as long as you can get the audio sources into digital form? VHF an AD hat + Raspberry Pi, set it up to like do a loop While True: If VHF goes over ___ db: Mute Apple music audio Mute Spotify audio Wait 3s Else: Unmute Apple Music audio Unmute Spotify audio And it'll already be able to play music directly which would be nice, don't need to connect stuff to any jacks But that's just my idea of it, do please correct me if I got things wrong
IIRC, you've moved onto using dual motors on the drive axles, one for each hub - if so, if you take an input from the steering and use a torque bias across the axle, it will mean a tighter turning circle, because instead of pushing through the front axle's steering angle, it will be assisting it. Maybe a manually selected option for a low speed over-ride of the normal drive characteristics that switches out over a set speed? WOW, those truck sim' guys did a fantastic job with the modeling of the trucks!👍😎 As an aside, down in Mexico, and maybe elsewhere, they do truck drags with fully loaded trucks - I'd love to see how a dual or triple axle Edison compared, because i expect it would just drive right by any other trucks competing! Max' torque from stanstill and it's continuous with no shifting pauses, etc.
This is exciting to see Tolko and Peerless team up with you to make this happen. I have seen Peerless along side Whit-log trailers all my life(4th gen logging) I just shake my head when the "big" truck makers do not go the way you are. Why reinvent the wheel and make things look space age and do not work for this application and others. But it does give you the opening you have made to get this done. Been following you for a few years now and love your approach. well done guys
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus.
Same here, I believe the Bitcoin ETFs approval will be life changing opportunity for us, with my current portfolio of $108,000 from my investments with my personal financial advisor i totally agree with you
YES!!! that's exactly her name (Mrs Elizabeth Regina Nelsen) so many people have recommended highly about her and I'm just starting with her from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺
This is so damned cool. I remember as a kid who grew up in a family that started with a small farm and smaller sawmill, what it was like to see things evolve. Some of the trucks we saw were amazing, owner built trucks that met their needs based on equipment, budget, pure profit, company image, and even for play. Yes, there was a bunch of dump truckers that all built their own small trucks. They would start with something like an old '56 Ford F-350, beef up the frame, put in a 4-53 Detroit, and set them up with a 4&4. One was a tandem, one had a single axle log trailer, a couple came up with air brakes, and one of the crew just wanted to sound cool and put some 'sneezers' on his truck so it would sound like he had air brakes. They were heavy on mechanics and not so much on beauty, buff and chrome. They were all cool. They would gather up logs from various clearing jobs that were generally given to them for firewood. Sometimes they had enough to make several loads of short saw logs. Those were the times when they would show up at our small mill on a Saturday. You could hear them coming up the back way to the mill which had a pretty steep grade. The last hill was so steep that it was not unusual that they would be tail heavy. I would hear a horn start honking and I knew it was time to get the farm tractor and a chain to pull them up to the top of the hill with the front axle in the air. Often these guys would make it a Saturday morning outing. They would all go load up their truck early on a Saturday morning and then show up at the mill as a convoy. You could always hear them coming. Old straight piped little diesels, grabbing gears with the fastest truck in the lead so the knew that they wouldn't get stuck on the hill. It always lit me up as a kid to see all of them come in. By the age of about 8-10 I was getting to unload them and scale the logs. They inspired me to love mechanics and be creative. I was the oldest of four brothers and the only one that fell in love with mechanics. It has become one of my greatest assets and pleasures and I owe a lot to those wildcat truckers. They will never know what a gift they were to me.
I love your approach! the fact you explain and advocate for the lumber industry and want to work with everyone to develop an end-to-end process is outstanding. It's sad this approach is "revolutionary".
Front axle drive is an option on the pickup kits. At this time they are using a single motor axle on both front and rear. The rear can be upgraded to a dual motor set up. I think each motor is around 200 HP. So with a dual in the rear and a single up front you get 600 HP at the wheels. If the front can use a dual it gives you 800 HP. That's a lot of HP and a truck load of torque. I think you get about 3.5 ft-lb per HP with these electric motors. If that's right 800 HP=2800 ft-lbs of torque. And that comes in from zero rpms. These numbers are why the kits are for big pickups at least 3/4 ton. Deboss Garage is doing a kit in a Ram 2500. They installed a cat 4 cylinder diesel engine and did some testing. They are now adding the generator, batteries, rear axle, maybe the front, not sure on that and the controls to run the axles. Pretty interesting stuff. Kinda wish I had the money to get one.
Western Star started out with building logging trucks, and now, Edison Motors is starting out with building logging trucks. Awesome of what you guys are doing!! 🙌🙌
So impressed to see a serious business case for a hybrid truck. You did a comparison to other EV truck startups, mostly focused on market cap. But those companies mostly failed. I think it'd be interesting to compare products and the numbers on the products. For a long haul diesel running on the flats, how much cost does EV or hybrid operation actually save? It sure is great to reduce emissions and all that, but you can't run a trucking business as a charity. The story for logging trucks makes a lot more sense. I'd like to see the numbers. How much more does the hybrid truck cost? How much fuel does it save in operation? Are maintenance costs different? I know you won't really know until Tolko has a few months of operation done. But I'm excited to hear how it goes. Another bit of low hanging fruit seems to be mountain passes. A long haul 18-wheeler could pull into a stop at the bottom of a climb and hook up a second trailer to the first that has a battery and motors slaved to the tractor at the front. The electric trailer helps push the rig up the grade, and partially recharges on the way down, and gets dropped at a stop at the bottom. The driver saves a few hours on the grade, brake wear, and a bunch of fuel. There's a bunch of loads they can reach in a day that wouldn't be reachable otherwise. The electric trailers get recharged at the stops without a driver waiting on them, doing what they do best all the time. No loss of load capacity. In places where it makes sense (e.g. between low cost Nevada and high cost California), you can recharge where it's cheaper and basically truck electricity from low to high cost places. But you can get to that later, when getting permits for normal highway use is more practical.
I'm sure you guys would be thrilled to hear people say this, but I personally think your renderings look a lot like the old Pacific trucks. I really like how the side-by-side seating turned out in the renderings. Looks great. I'll be another one of those people that complains that I can't invest. I was 100% planning on putting some money into Edison Motors, but alas, I live in the USA.
Growing up near Detroit, we could drive south and get to the border with Canada. I always love to go there though it's been a while. I've been saying for years I want Michigan to become the next Canadian province. I'm glad more Americans are recognize the greatness.
Here in Maine we face a lot of the same issues you’ve got in BC. So many of the pulp mills are closing down and towns drying up. Once you’re doing serial production you should put marking feelers out here, companies would love a hybrid purpose built truck like this. We’re also hill country so a lot of the log roads are all downhill.
I'm so glad You guys bring back the good old iron into the game! Some real tough machinery, for sure Edison's legacy won't be forgotten as the initiator of the diesel rennisance! Also, guys search up Tournatrain. The first variant was for loggingg. You can revive this project and improve it with Your ideas. Imagine a logging truck with ALL wheel drive including trailer.
Those overland trains for the Arctic? I mean these logging trucks are already basically land trains, I think chase has already talked about having a powered trailer, which ig would mean "land train" being real
About the Tournatrain: if I remember correctly, their steering was set up so that each trailer followed the exaxt same tracks as the engine/puller. This allows one to take a corner without the trailers edging closer to the corner.
With the simple electric drivetrain an 8x8 quad steer, possibly even another axle rear steer would make more sense, as it can turn way better and even has more traction
Nothing simple about an electric driveline. It will require all new technology to service and diagnose electrical issues. Imagine the hiway salt corrosion in a couple years. Gonna be an interesting journey
As a former Caterpillar Equipment Sales guy I've seen a few sites. This is a fantastic development and is going to be a phenomenal opportunity, in my opinion. Buy low - don't sell.
I'm looking forward to seeing this new truck being built from the ground up in the coming year. With plenty of live streams showing the progress being made. Hopefully with less of a panicked deadline with Topsy and less flattened arms to go with it.
Amazing as always, boys. Don't be afraid to hire a few highly qualified folks here in the US to open up a parallel build process. I'm so close to Ontario but so far from BC!
Its great that you will start building the trucks so soon. One question....have you thought of setting the truck up so the 3rd drive axle would lift when the truck is going up hill. It could reduce the turning radius of the unloaded truck. It just might reduce the power consumption very slightly.
In AG here in California we really need an Edison truck for harvesting fresh vegetables here in the Salinas Valley as well as all AG in California. I have a small composting company where we are making and applying compost to row crop ground. Most of our applications are from August through December. We will work at times 10 to 15hours during that time and can’t wait to recharge an electric truck, plus with running pto units it will run through a battery in less 4 hours. One of my best spreader truck is a former logging truck from Canada that we were able retrofit with a PM filter and can keep it running, but we are running out of time with diesel trucks under our current regulations. I hope you all can gear up production here soon to expand your fleet of trucks or possibly build something here in the States.
Cool that you are getting to build a logging truck. However, this has to be great for Tolko to get a custom built truck as well. Your point about the Diesel-electric markedly reducing fuel costs to allow mills to stay in operation longer is very telling. It's neat when your basic new idea for a truck has so many ancillary benefits. All the best.
I have to chuckle! Now it's me that can't get his work done, because keeping up with your Edison Posts is a full-time job! Congratulations on everything; the tri-drive truck is really cool! (need more drive, just at an axle) Developments of Rich Bosch formally joining the corporate team, and the expansion of the Deboss operation I've really piqued my interest. Doing the MoFO diesel electric hybrid conversion there seems like a natural, it's really just another subset of truck kits. I can't wait to get started working with Rich and the Deboss Garage on my project.
MoFO stands for mobile field office. The only class A motorhome designed for Overland travel and for use as a mobile field office. th-cam.com/video/-ag81ptXEkY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6d4PQ8kSINoWINSD is the TH-cam link describing the vehicle unfortunately, shortly after I completed this build, Edison Motors has come out with the diesel electric hybrid kit. I hate when that happens, but I’m definitely going for the diesel electric hybrid conversion!
This is just my limited expert opinion but what about a capover? Simply because of the higher seating position, better all-round visibility, more space in the cabin interior and above all, cabin suspension on all four corners 😅
They have a contract for 1 COE already however they have only shown a picture of it, they can’t talk about it right now but it looks like a troop carrier or something
seeing how you guys are starting with the toughest jobs for trucks gives me hope that once you guys are making good tough trucks for logging y'all can make some highway haulers to service the highways of the US and canada! id love to see edison trucks on I-5!
@Sah-o5m This stuff is always interesting to me, because it's more fun to have old news repeated with new background than to have no news I would love if my city gave more repeat news about new trams we got second hand from Switzerland. Interesting when are they finally going to put them on streets
That is one application I didn’t think of when it came to hybrid vehicles. When I think of electric, combustion, and hybrid vehicles the first thing I think of is range. For example electric for short, combustion for long, and hybrid for extreme ranges.
Missed an ‘N’ in the ‘ivestment’ tag in the last few seconds (bottom left). You’ll see it. Looking forward to this project and happy to be an early investor!
I really want to see a 1931 vehicle converted by Edison. I am sure it would be a small truck but it would bring Thomas Edison into it, as that was when he passed away.
Its Great you guys are so customer focused well done. I think offering too many configs of cab, air filter, etc. any non essential options may make it harder to build them at a good rate in years to come
This is absolutely awesome. Its funny. I first saw your shorts before you rebranded to edison motors. when you did, for a bit I just thought you got hired by some company. (I know very little about this stuff, I think I only got it because I was playing snowrunner). When I saw more, and learned you were doing this yourself and making a business, I was impressed. I love how far you have come along with you and your team's hard work. I wish I could invest but sadly I don't meet the requirements. I hope for the best. P.S. I love how uncomfortable you seem next to the guys you're working on the project with, it gave me a good chuckle.
Come check out nz logging trucks! I love the hybrid it makes so much sense. In nz we run 8x4 and 5 axle trailers. We also load trailer on truck to go back to forest. Thanks for the video
It would be great to see a Kennedy trailer fully folding quad axial trailer on that truck. Kennedy are world leaders in logging equipment right here in Australia.
Would a trailer with drive motors be something worth looking into? I am not a truck driver and never have been but I am fascinated with what Edison motors are doing.
Why aren't logging trucks cab over? I would have throught it would mean a shorter wheel base, which would be better for turning circle. Im really curious
I'm really happy for you guys! One note: You enabled automatic TH-cam translations. Please don't do that until TH-cam really makes it work. For some reason YT does not allow bilingual settings, so everything gets translated to german for me. The translation of you title is ... let's say "misleading". It suggests you're inventing a new internal combustion engine o_O
I'm old school so I mostly went uphill mt and down loaded by ear. Drivers window open and listening to what the truck told me. So being electrick, the truck should go up faster and downhill should be the same. Good luck Tolko and Edison.
Be cool to see some kind of an air lift steer axle in the rear, make it so it could lift the other axles and turn even tighter, also make the front axle a drive axle also
I will add that I suspect the main benefit of adding plugable driven trailer wheels will be for better braking and regeneration on difficult terrain, and that they'd be freewheeling the majority of the time.
Your approach to thses challenges seem to be well informed and very common sense. In parts of the continent wood chip trucks are commonplace. Have you considered the possibility of a hybrid chip truck that uses a gasification setup for fuel to power the generator? A more consistent load would in theory make ghe air fuel ratio easier to manage. Having electric motivation onboard would allow for the shoulder time required for starting the reactor without sacrificing mobility. Truly 'green' energy and very carbon-neutral. The byproduct makes for good fertilizer and other uses. The engine could be left setup to switch between diesel or gasifier. Many coal-hauling railroads remained steam-powered long after their day had come (Some still even in China). It makes economic sense to used the fuel you haul for your prime movers, rather than relying on and paying someone else for your fuel.
the only negative i can find on electric timber trucks is that i grew up spending a loot of time with my dad in his truck, and i love the smell of timber and diesel XD
I’m glad a logging truck is one of the first trucks you built. It will not only give you the data you need it will also push the truck to the limit. A side bonus you will finally get to hear nature on your drive up and down the mountains.
The hearing nature in your drive will either be awesome or completely creepy
Na, I bet they'll have tunes cranked. Maybe interlocked with the VHF radio.
@@jimcalver-oj4xf It's called "ducking" in the radio and audio engineering worlds, reducing or cutting the music when your priority signal (two-way or an announcement) rises above a certain volume. I haven't seen these systems completely integrated but have found a few external ones. I've been looking at adding such a system to the family boat, dropping the tunes when something comes in on the marine VHF.
@@NathanielStauber As a fellow audio engineer I agree. It wouldn't be too difficult to do technically but requires radio manufacturers to do something they normally don't. You would need a special head unit with RCA inputs that had the programming to duck the music when signal from the VHF and / or CB inputs detected a signal. The problem is shipping the unit for under $1k.
@@NathanielStauber wouldn't that be quite easy to do as long as you can get the audio sources into digital form?
VHF an AD hat + Raspberry Pi, set it up to like do a loop
While True:
If VHF goes over ___ db:
Mute Apple music audio
Mute Spotify audio
Wait 3s
Else:
Unmute Apple Music audio
Unmute Spotify audio
And it'll already be able to play music directly which would be nice, don't need to connect stuff to any jacks
But that's just my idea of it, do please correct me if I got things wrong
I worked with you at the tolko in Merritt. You and your dad. I'm glad you're building and making a better life.
Small world eh
@EdisonMotors It's smaller than most of us think. Say hello to your dad for me. I enjoyed working with him
@@robertbaird5247 I don't think they're going to be small - for long!
So great to see Edison teaming up with other British Columbia based companies.
Local companies co-operating on a project can be a game changer. It's certainly not something the big players are willing/able to do.
IIRC, you've moved onto using dual motors on the drive axles, one for each hub - if so, if you take an input from the steering and use a torque bias across the axle, it will mean a tighter turning circle, because instead of pushing through the front axle's steering angle, it will be assisting it. Maybe a manually selected option for a low speed over-ride of the normal drive characteristics that switches out over a set speed?
WOW, those truck sim' guys did a fantastic job with the modeling of the trucks!👍😎
As an aside, down in Mexico, and maybe elsewhere, they do truck drags with fully loaded trucks - I'd love to see how a dual or triple axle Edison compared, because i expect it would just drive right by any other trucks competing! Max' torque from stanstill and it's continuous with no shifting pauses, etc.
We drag race loaded up here in Canada too, usually with lumber or logs. Pretty common over in Quebec
@@boostaddict_ Unfortunately Notre Dam was cancelled :(
This is exciting to see Tolko and Peerless team up with you to make this happen. I have seen Peerless along side Whit-log trailers all my life(4th gen logging) I just shake my head when the "big" truck makers do not go the way you are. Why reinvent the wheel and make things look space age and do not work for this application and others. But it does give you the opening you have made to get this done. Been following you for a few years now and love your approach. well done guys
That regenerative braking is a game changer!
I'm glad you made this video it reminds me of my transformation from a nobody to good home, $34k monthly and a good daughter full of love
wow this awesome I'm 47 and have been looking for ways to be successful, please how??
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus.
Same here, I believe the Bitcoin ETFs approval will be life changing opportunity for us, with my current portfolio of $108,000 from my investments with my personal financial advisor i totally agree with you
YES!!! that's exactly her name (Mrs Elizabeth Regina Nelsen) so many people have recommended highly about her and I'm just starting with her from Brisbane Australia🇦🇺
I have heard a lot of wonderful things about Elizabeth Regina Nelsen on the news but didn't believe it until now. I'm definitely trying her out.
i just fall in love . oh my . just put your truck my pc background, can't watched enough. what a beauty
This is so damned cool. I remember as a kid who grew up in a family that started with a small farm and smaller sawmill, what it was like to see things evolve. Some of the trucks we saw were amazing, owner built trucks that met their needs based on equipment, budget, pure profit, company image, and even for play. Yes, there was a bunch of dump truckers that all built their own small trucks. They would start with something like an old '56 Ford F-350, beef up the frame, put in a 4-53 Detroit, and set them up with a 4&4. One was a tandem, one had a single axle log trailer, a couple came up with air brakes, and one of the crew just wanted to sound cool and put some 'sneezers' on his truck so it would sound like he had air brakes. They were heavy on mechanics and not so much on beauty, buff and chrome.
They were all cool. They would gather up logs from various clearing jobs that were generally given to them for firewood. Sometimes they had enough to make several loads of short saw logs. Those were the times when they would show up at our small mill on a Saturday. You could hear them coming up the back way to the mill which had a pretty steep grade. The last hill was so steep that it was not unusual that they would be tail heavy. I would hear a horn start honking and I knew it was time to get the farm tractor and a chain to pull them up to the top of the hill with the front axle in the air. Often these guys would make it a Saturday morning outing. They would all go load up their truck early on a Saturday morning and then show up at the mill as a convoy. You could always hear them coming. Old straight piped little diesels, grabbing gears with the fastest truck in the lead so the knew that they wouldn't get stuck on the hill. It always lit me up as a kid to see all of them come in. By the age of about 8-10 I was getting to unload them and scale the logs. They inspired me to love mechanics and be creative. I was the oldest of four brothers and the only one that fell in love with mechanics. It has become one of my greatest assets and pleasures and I owe a lot to those wildcat truckers. They will never know what a gift they were to me.
DTF, is this you with the 'thumbs-up?'
Great perspective :)
Can’t wait for a rotator to be Edison brand!! Would love to be the first one with it
I am sure it will win an award for design looking this good 🤣
I love your approach! the fact you explain and advocate for the lumber industry and want to work with everyone to develop an end-to-end process is outstanding. It's sad this approach is "revolutionary".
Can wait to start seeing thses big rigs with a powered fron axel
Front axle drive is an option on the pickup kits. At this time they are using a single motor axle on both front and rear. The rear can be upgraded to a dual motor set up.
I think each motor is around 200 HP. So with a dual in the rear and a single up front you get 600 HP at the wheels. If the front can use a dual it gives you 800 HP. That's a lot of HP and a truck load of torque. I think you get about 3.5 ft-lb per HP with these electric motors. If that's right 800 HP=2800 ft-lbs of torque. And that comes in from zero rpms.
These numbers are why the kits are for big pickups at least 3/4 ton.
Deboss Garage is doing a kit in a Ram 2500. They installed a cat 4 cylinder diesel engine and did some testing. They are now adding the generator, batteries, rear axle, maybe the front, not sure on that and the controls to run the axles.
Pretty interesting stuff. Kinda wish I had the money to get one.
Western Star started out with building logging trucks, and now, Edison Motors is starting out with building logging trucks. Awesome of what you guys are doing!! 🙌🙌
So did Peterbilt & Kenworth too
White was first and used a 12v71 and 8v92t and an Alison
You guys are what the world needs and I mean necessity
“By Far one of the better setups you can go with” I immediately want this in snowrunner ❤
Can’t wait to see this truck come together. Pretty cool you get to work with a local company that means so much to you. It’s gunna be a badass truck!
Tolko has a genuine Santa Claus in their rank, that must be a good company 🎅😊
So impressed to see a serious business case for a hybrid truck.
You did a comparison to other EV truck startups, mostly focused on market cap. But those companies mostly failed. I think it'd be interesting to compare products and the numbers on the products. For a long haul diesel running on the flats, how much cost does EV or hybrid operation actually save? It sure is great to reduce emissions and all that, but you can't run a trucking business as a charity. The story for logging trucks makes a lot more sense.
I'd like to see the numbers. How much more does the hybrid truck cost? How much fuel does it save in operation? Are maintenance costs different? I know you won't really know until Tolko has a few months of operation done. But I'm excited to hear how it goes.
Another bit of low hanging fruit seems to be mountain passes. A long haul 18-wheeler could pull into a stop at the bottom of a climb and hook up a second trailer to the first that has a battery and motors slaved to the tractor at the front. The electric trailer helps push the rig up the grade, and partially recharges on the way down, and gets dropped at a stop at the bottom. The driver saves a few hours on the grade, brake wear, and a bunch of fuel. There's a bunch of loads they can reach in a day that wouldn't be reachable otherwise. The electric trailers get recharged at the stops without a driver waiting on them, doing what they do best all the time. No loss of load capacity. In places where it makes sense (e.g. between low cost Nevada and high cost California), you can recharge where it's cheaper and basically truck electricity from low to high cost places.
But you can get to that later, when getting permits for normal highway use is more practical.
I'm sure you guys would be thrilled to hear people say this, but I personally think your renderings look a lot like the old Pacific trucks. I really like how the side-by-side seating turned out in the renderings. Looks great.
I'll be another one of those people that complains that I can't invest. I was 100% planning on putting some money into Edison Motors, but alas, I live in the USA.
Growing up near Detroit, we could drive south and get to the border with Canada. I always love to go there though it's been a while. I've been saying for years I want Michigan to become the next Canadian province. I'm glad more Americans are recognize the greatness.
I love you guys highlighting the industrial part or BC.
I grew up in the mill town of Meadow Lake Saskatchewan. Happy to be an investor, and happy to see you guys putting Canada first.
Here in Maine we face a lot of the same issues you’ve got in BC. So many of the pulp mills are closing down and towns drying up.
Once you’re doing serial production you should put marking feelers out here, companies would love a hybrid purpose built truck like this. We’re also hill country so a lot of the log roads are all downhill.
I'm so glad You guys bring back the good old iron into the game! Some real tough machinery, for sure Edison's legacy won't be forgotten as the initiator of the diesel rennisance!
Also, guys search up Tournatrain. The first variant was for loggingg. You can revive this project and improve it with Your ideas. Imagine a logging truck with ALL wheel drive including trailer.
Those overland trains for the Arctic? I mean these logging trucks are already basically land trains,
I think chase has already talked about having a powered trailer, which ig would mean "land train" being real
About the Tournatrain: if I remember correctly, their steering was set up so that each trailer followed the exaxt same tracks as the engine/puller. This allows one to take a corner without the trailers edging closer to the corner.
@@samjubilee6593 Exaclty. It involved some primitive 1950s electronics I think.
@@RENO_K That'd be dope
Every new video makes me happier and happier.
With the simple electric drivetrain an 8x8 quad steer, possibly even another axle rear steer would make more sense, as it can turn way better and even has more traction
I came here to write this.
But maybe they want the new truck as similar to Tolko's current ones for ease of comparison?
I think having the rear axle of a tru drive steerable would make it much more competent on and off road.
@@dsludge8217 yeah might be, and to make it easier to get used to
@@geepuller1 surely, but it seems common to have 2 steer in front before the rear
Nothing simple about an electric driveline. It will require all new technology to service and diagnose electrical issues. Imagine the hiway salt corrosion in a couple years. Gonna be an interesting journey
🍀Thanks!
Thank you for the support!
As a former Caterpillar Equipment Sales guy I've seen a few sites. This is a fantastic development and is going to be a phenomenal opportunity, in my opinion.
Buy low - don't sell.
So proud of what you guys are doing in my home Province. Can't wait to see this truck being built
So Wise , Thank You . Real Loggers working togethor to build the best possible Truck to do the job
Best looking and workable tri-drive hybrid out there in my opinion
Seeing how you guys networking and moving give me hope that humanity ain't lost. ❤
I'm looking forward to seeing this new truck being built from the ground up in the coming year. With plenty of live streams showing the progress being made. Hopefully with less of a panicked deadline with Topsy and less flattened arms to go with it.
Love to see the teamwork with Peerless
I am sure that this will be the first of many!
Tolko supplies a ton of wood to all of North America. This is huge.
Amazing as always, boys. Don't be afraid to hire a few highly qualified folks here in the US to open up a parallel build process. I'm so close to Ontario but so far from BC!
cant wait to try and drag this through our mud pit
I hope you pull it off man! This should be amazing and I can't wait to see it.
Its great that you will start building the trucks so soon. One question....have you thought of setting the truck up so the 3rd drive axle would lift when the truck is going up hill. It could reduce the turning radius of the unloaded truck. It just might reduce the power consumption very slightly.
In AG here in California we really need an Edison truck for harvesting fresh vegetables here in the Salinas Valley as well as all AG in California. I have a small composting company where we are making and applying compost to row crop ground. Most of our applications are from August through December. We will work at times 10 to 15hours during that time and can’t wait to recharge an electric truck, plus with running pto units it will run through a battery in less 4 hours. One of my best spreader truck is a former logging truck from Canada that we were able retrofit with a PM filter and can keep it running, but we are running out of time with diesel trucks under our current regulations. I hope you all can gear up production here soon to expand your fleet of trucks or possibly build something here in the States.
Cool that you are getting to build a logging truck. However, this has to be great for Tolko to get a custom built truck as well. Your point about the Diesel-electric markedly reducing fuel costs to allow mills to stay in operation longer is very telling. It's neat when your basic new idea for a truck has so many ancillary benefits. All the best.
Look forward to seeing this build and how the coordination works out. Great stuff!
I'm so excited to finally see one of these on the road around here. Cheering you on from Armstrong!
One of my first job's was in the bush in BC 1970's.. Chainsaws and skidder's were still new technology.. This Truck looks promising.. 👍
I have to chuckle! Now it's me that can't get his work done, because keeping up with your Edison Posts is a full-time job! Congratulations on everything; the tri-drive truck is really cool! (need more drive, just at an axle) Developments of Rich Bosch formally joining the corporate team, and the expansion of the Deboss operation I've really piqued my interest. Doing the MoFO diesel electric hybrid conversion there seems like a natural, it's really just another subset of truck kits. I can't wait to get started working with Rich and the Deboss Garage on my project.
I agree with everything. What is MoFO?
MoFO stands for mobile field office. The only class A motorhome designed for Overland travel and for use as a mobile field office. th-cam.com/video/-ag81ptXEkY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6d4PQ8kSINoWINSD is the TH-cam link describing the vehicle unfortunately, shortly after I completed this build, Edison Motors has come out with the diesel electric hybrid kit. I hate when that happens, but I’m definitely going for the diesel electric hybrid conversion!
been having a blast running this thing in ATS
Love these hybrid trucks, very promising.
You guys strike me as the modern day Pacific Truck!
Awesome. Sucks i missed the holeshot for investing. I'm glad to see you grow. The future is bright.
Love what you guys are doing at Edison Motors.
Any value in putting an e-axle on the tail end of the last trailer? Or can you regenerate all the power you need without doing that?
Having E-axles on a Trailer would be amazing. We are happy to be working with Peerless on this build, who knows where this partnership will take us.
The German axle manufacturer BPW has an electric trailer axle called EPower
It's done overseas with a lead trailer that has a built-in power unit.
I was going to suggest the same thing. Lots of cool things happening at Edison! Too bad I can't invest...
Having a drive axle on the trailer sure would help push you up the hills.
Im happy to be part of this vision with my 5 wee shares !
Thanks for investing and helping support us still
This is just my limited expert opinion but what about a capover?
Simply because of the higher seating position, better all-round visibility, more space in the cabin interior and above all, cabin suspension on all four corners 😅
They are also offering cabover, or short hood, most companies in nortg america dont want it tho as it not common
They have a contract for 1 COE already however they have only shown a picture of it, they can’t talk about it right now but it looks like a troop carrier or something
Cabover could also be made with 2 meters shorter frame so it would be stronger and muuuch more nimble.
seeing how you guys are starting with the toughest jobs for trucks gives me hope that once you guys are making good tough trucks for logging y'all can make some highway haulers to service the highways of the US and canada! id love to see edison trucks on I-5!
Me watching Chace repeat the same points for 1000th time: Wow so cool!
This stuff is always new for the new watchers.
@Sah-o5m This stuff is always interesting to me, because it's more fun to have old news repeated with new background than to have no news
I would love if my city gave more repeat news about new trams we got second hand from Switzerland. Interesting when are they finally going to put them on streets
Would be an absolute game changer in Australia. Keep working with durability and ruggedness in mind and you'll take a large market share over here.
That is one application I didn’t think of when it came to hybrid vehicles. When I think of electric, combustion, and hybrid vehicles the first thing I think of is range. For example electric for short, combustion for long, and hybrid for extreme ranges.
i love the looks of you truck, looks so bad ass old skool. i really hope this works out for you.
I like the blue one It is gorgeous. Building a truck for your local logging company is tremendous.
as always, epic.
Hell yeah!!! That’s awesome!! Good luck I hope it all goes well!! Can’t wait to see it done!!
Pretty awesome stuff! Love the Pacific/C-500ish look!
Missed an ‘N’ in the ‘ivestment’ tag in the last few seconds (bottom left). You’ll see it. Looking forward to this project and happy to be an early investor!
Was that done intentionally - to avoid any TH-cam hassles?/ (You know how they can get with 'Financial Advisors').
Those renders look fantastic! All the best from GA, USA!
That’s cool as heck to see Mississippi pop up in one of your videos.
Y'all are going places
@@jasonglisson1690 they drive trucks the better be going places.
@bullithedjames937 right lmfao
I really want to see a 1931 vehicle converted by Edison. I am sure it would be a small truck but it would bring Thomas Edison into it, as that was when he passed away.
The closest Edison has now in the 1938 international truck that is getting electrified
totally awesome, congrats and looking forward to this build
Is over regen a concern? Could the battery get charged and loose your “engine braking”.
Love this project! Can’t wait to see Edison in a decade.🎉
If battery is too full for regen, then energy will feed the generator to spin the engine jake brake
Yes, we have a few ways to handle this
Its Great you guys are so customer focused well done. I think offering too many configs of cab, air filter, etc. any non essential options may make it harder to build them at a good rate in years to come
Thorlacksons are good folks, forward thinking!
Great company in Canada!
Thank you
I wish someone makes the newer trucks for snowrunner, tmw's vertion Topsy is awesome but the new one looks so much better :)
Love the look of it 👍 y’all are like to opposite of vaporware
This is absolutely awesome. Its funny. I first saw your shorts before you rebranded to edison motors. when you did, for a bit I just thought you got hired by some company. (I know very little about this stuff, I think I only got it because I was playing snowrunner). When I saw more, and learned you were doing this yourself and making a business, I was impressed. I love how far you have come along with you and your team's hard work. I wish I could invest but sadly I don't meet the requirements. I hope for the best.
P.S. I love how uncomfortable you seem next to the guys you're working on the project with, it gave me a good chuckle.
That's the perfect look to match
Come check out nz logging trucks!
I love the hybrid it makes so much sense.
In nz we run 8x4 and 5 axle trailers.
We also load trailer on truck to go back to forest.
Thanks for the video
It would be great to see a Kennedy trailer fully folding quad axial trailer on that truck.
Kennedy are world leaders in logging equipment right here in Australia.
Would a trailer with drive motors be something worth looking into? I am not a truck driver and never have been but I am fascinated with what Edison motors are doing.
Love to see your work.
Why aren't logging trucks cab over? I would have throught it would mean a shorter wheel base, which would be better for turning circle. Im really curious
Hoods look cool
@@EdisonMotorsstill them old cabovers look good as well
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I look forward to the day I see Edison on North Vancouver island. Lots of HDX and P-16's still driving around still.
Regenerative breaking should improve service brake life and reduce that maintenance cost by extending brake pad life.
AWESOME!
I'm really happy for you guys! One note: You enabled automatic TH-cam translations. Please don't do that until TH-cam really makes it work. For some reason YT does not allow bilingual settings, so everything gets translated to german for me. The translation of you title is ... let's say "misleading". It suggests you're inventing a new internal combustion engine o_O
Really? Hahah
Great news, congratulations.
I'm old school so I mostly went uphill mt and down loaded by ear. Drivers window open and listening to what the truck told me. So being electrick, the truck should go up faster and downhill should be the same. Good luck Tolko and Edison.
Hey man I bought that cab and hood from the grey logging truck in the beginning of the video! It's going onto my gravel truck
I love it. Get some hours on Topsy, haul some logs!
Be cool to see some kind of an air lift steer axle in the rear, make it so it could lift the other axles and turn even tighter, also make the front axle a drive axle also
3:48 This guys beard is amazing. lol
I think a hot oil truck for oil fields would be an awesome use
One day you'll have powered wagons with plug-in umbilicals and their own steer-by-wire for those muddy low speed maneuvers.
I will add that I suspect the main benefit of adding plugable driven trailer wheels will be for better braking and regeneration on difficult terrain, and that they'd be freewheeling the majority of the time.
@@M_GargantuaThat would also improve wear on tires and other components.
Fantastic!
Your approach to thses challenges seem to be well informed and very common sense. In parts of the continent wood chip trucks are commonplace. Have you considered the possibility of a hybrid chip truck that uses a gasification setup for fuel to power the generator? A more consistent load would in theory make ghe air fuel ratio easier to manage. Having electric motivation onboard would allow for the shoulder time required for starting the reactor without sacrificing mobility. Truly 'green' energy and very carbon-neutral. The byproduct makes for good fertilizer and other uses. The engine could be left setup to switch between diesel or gasifier.
Many coal-hauling railroads remained steam-powered long after their day had come (Some still even in China). It makes economic sense to used the fuel you haul for your prime movers, rather than relying on and paying someone else for your fuel.
At least they look like trucks very cool 😊
the only negative i can find on electric timber trucks is that i grew up spending a loot of time with my dad in his truck, and i love the smell of timber and diesel XD
Yeah. Nostalgia. In 40 years our nostalgia will just be stories about "back in my day". :(
My dad worked at a Tolko mill for 15 years, and at its predecessor Riverside for 30 before Tolko shut the plant down
Great stuff!!