How did this Soviet town suddenly appear in Poland? - BBC REEL
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- At the end of the Cold War, the town of Borne Sulinowo suddenly appeared on the map in northwestern Poland.
One of the most secretive and important Soviet military bases in the Eastern bloc, it was outside of Polish control during the Cold War. Officially, it did not exist. First established by the Nazis, then taken over by the Soviets and rumoured to have hidden nuclear warheads, now Borne Sulinowo is home to over 5,000 people.
Video by Adrian Hartrick and Dominika Ożyńska
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Some post-Soviet buildings may be preserved in a pretty good state as a historical sites, but in general when Soviets were withdrawing from such places back to Russia, after 1989, they took literally EVERYTHING with them, they even tore the cables out of the walls and tiles :D
they put rpg in the concrete of bunkers so now its a problem
1992
@Оскар .1 who knows. I remember they had a big radar in Latvia, in Skrunda
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Good for them. A good electrical engineer would be able to reconstruct a general configuration from just the cables and things. This could compromise future and other installations.
8:44 They literally found most bizzare teenager out here in Poland. Just by walking in soviet uniform he could get in trouble with cops.
W polsce możesz chodzić w takim mundurze bez problemu ;)
@@radpod4978 w mundurze ss pewnie też
@@MyPrideFlag nie bo mamy podwojne standardy traktowania ustrojow totalitarnych mimo prawnego zakazu propagowania czy symboliki obu
@@MyPrideFlag w Polsce można chodzić w jakim mundurze się chce, dopóki nie uzywa się go do propagowania ideologii
Cops? I rather say regular people
4:48 - this part is most likely incorrect. This structure wasn’t a warehouse for warheads - they were stored somewhere else, in underground structures. There were three known locations in Poland that stored nuclear warheads - they were called “objects” and had numbers 1001, 2002 and 3003. This structure is a garage for a MAZ-543P mobile missile launcher that in case of the attack order, could start, roll out, within one minute put the SS-18 rocket vertically and launch it. Pipes coming from the wall were most likely for steam that could heat the garage or help the missile launcher start the engine should both of the batteries fail and the internal high pressure tanks fail to start the engine.
6:16 this is indeed a warehouse that stored the warheads.
And the missile launcher that was kept in that structure is visible at the very thumbnail of this video.
You used wrong number for "objects", so correct ones are 3001 "Podborsko", 3002 "Brzeznica-Kolonia", 3003 "Templewo"
@@mike.5050 I stand corrected, thank you!
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Bald and Bankrupt should definitely visit such a >Soviet< town.
Definitely
Definitely
@@1997AZ This place was.
🤣😂
@@1997AZ the Kaliningrad Oblast is geographically in Poland but remains a part of Russia till even today. Not sure how they're even still justifying keeping this piece of land.
Borne Sulinowo is really a great place to spend vacation in the Summer. Wonderful nature, history and great people. When I first visited Borne I absulutely fell in love with this place and spend all my free time there. Born again in Borne!
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great testimony :)
No you didnt. Soviet agent
@@alecgurney9305 lost
My father was stationed in Borne Sulinowo during compulsory military service in the times of the Polish People's Republic as a T-55 tanker of the 16th Dnowsko-Łużycki Medium Tank Regiment in 80's. He often talked about the fact that it was a Soviet "state within a state".
2:01 piękny napis na murze XD
popieram
XD
Zapomniałeś jeszcze o 8:02
Example of Soviet colonialism
Ah yes, because you can walk in freely to the US bases in Poland. And it is not peculiar in any way that they are here to protect Poland from Russia having their bases in the west part of the country. And no one remembers that the media laughed at Lepper for being the first to say that CIA had own prison in Poland, which turned out to be true eventually and for which Poland payed the penalty.
@@magdaty1815 WTF U can’t just go to German military base being German citizen etc. The thing is that Soviet located bases without approval of the Polish communist government (CIA bases were deal of Polish government with USA) and choses of society during elections (NATO bases for deterrence). Moreover 🇵🇱as a Soviet colony has more much more details proving its status.
1 technologies: it wasn’t possible to developing own technologies, mainly military. Expect uniform, all equipment was imported from Soviet factories or it was produced in PL with Soviet license.
Today expecting state companies, private enterprisers can develop technologies.
2. Rules- authority was kept by people approved in Moscow and those guys were simply Soviet agents. Those politicians were ruling 🇵🇱 with Soviet instructions . Today the sovereign is a nation, e.g. Poland could leave NATO because of society.
3. Economic status, Polish economy was compulsorily formed to be Soviet’s supplier. For contrast, currently Poland is free to moderate their trade and economy.
4. Territorial sovereignty- during communistic era, Soviet Union in 1951 has changed borders with Poland to get a natural resources, there were more plans to make a change what shows Polish sovereignty was much more limited than currently.
To sum up I’m sure, these arguments clearly presented that Polish People’s Republic was basically Soviet colony. It really sad people cannot see that differences.
@@baczmagi9668 oj i takie rozumowanie zgwałcone przez Hitlera. Biednyś ty, cnoty już nie odzyskasz.
edit: A Hitler nie żyje więc nie gwałci - ale masz argumenty wysane z dupy własnej matki starej rozprutej hitlerówy.
@@magdaty1815 Mordo to nawet nie jest po polsku; „rozumowanie” nie może być „zgwałcone” tylko „pogwałcone”.
Edit: byczq, twoja składnia jest tragiczna. Pomimo że jest Moskalem, to mógłbyś się chociaż postarać pisać wyzwiska na poziomie- „z dupy własnej matki starej rozprutej hitlerówny”. Przecież to brzmi jak tekst jak ze słabego RPG, kupy się nie trzyma. Ziom, jak będziesz chciał się wyrwać z biedy i przyjedziesz kiedyś za pracą do Rzeczpospolitej to ludzie będą się śmiać bo to brzmi całkiem zabawnie. Już lepiej mówić w swoim języku bo naprawdę, robisz okropne błędy błędy- drugi przykład słowo „cnota” jest inaczej używane w polszczyźnie niż rosyjskie „dobrodetel’”.
@@magdaty1815 wysłałem Ci odpowiedź, jest umieszczone w poprzednim komentarzu 😘
Very nice area around 22 years ago, when not famous yet and no traffic at all.
Almost 53 years of occupation and exploitation called "liberate" from German occupation. Taste of such winning could be more bitter than losing...
you are still being exploited, only difference now is that the west allows you to trade with the world so your economy is better and consumer products are more varied
@@TeddyKrimsony maybe in the way we all are, but still I would prefer to be exploited by Marshall than Stalin
My friend goes there every year on vacation, because their grandfather lives there
Moscow used Poland as a human shield. Moscow's crimes will never be forgotten!
what? when?
When Moscow used us as a human shield?
Moscow are not Brits. Or I don't know about something?
I'd be glad to know.
@@krakendragonslayer1909 Battle of Lenino
@@retrix9169 battle of Lenino...
@@alexandersokolov7001 Always ...
Benjamin Bald should go there and check it out....
Byłem tam w tym półokrągłym budynku kasyna oficerskiego. Miejsce życia Hitlerowskich i Sowieckich bandytów.
Nice lake there! It's 150km from my home I was inside all over this buildings! Highly recommended🙃
Mongolia?
"For the sake of His sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world."
Anyone know what the song is @3:00?
shoutout to the people who are gutsy enough to tag former military installations
Fascinating place. After watching Bald and bankrupt I've become more and more interested in Sovjet/Russian history.
Suggestion: could we have voice instead of just text on the screen? Way easier to watch the video if you don't have to read the text (translations notwithstanding)
There were more of those spread all over western poland. I've seen other locations that were secluded and isolated from local population access. I used to travel to one close to my house and shop in their food shops. Sugar is a powerful substance to a kid. Their cans of sweet condensed milk were as good as cash money to us kids then. Soviet made candy was different than any other on the market even today.
Borne Sulinowo Army Barracks was initially established by the Germans (Prussia), the used by later German regimes before being “acquired” by the Soviets at the end of WW2. In its hey day it was quite the facility.
I dobrze ze już ich nie ma
i thought the narrator was a woman at first
' ALL IS WELL THAT ENDS WELL ' must have Originated here.
Does anyone know the name of the song that starts playing at 3:00 ?
Wow very interesting
Great video.
Interesting topic 🙂
02:59 ale super.
Now Darth Vader lives there!
I guess the casings of such nuclear warheads would have to be built in a way so you could also be around them without special Radiation Suits and therefor a gigacounter wouldn't pick up hightened radiation now decades afterwards, right? Mmm are there any pictures of soviet nulcear reservoirs which could be compared with how these there were built at least get some corallations. That they had been so secretiv may just have been a divertion to make the west think there were nuclear warheads ... then again in germany the US stationed(or still does?) nuclear weapons too.
So... "the top secret soviet town" that everybody knew about... cool
We all know where American bases and test facilities are as well, we just don't know what actually happens inside them. Same was the case here.
@@IronBranchEnjoyer narration is the key, whatever the West does is ok, whatever Russia does is evil and terrifying
@@IronBranchEnjoyer Except the town was not even on the maps, and was only revealed at the end of the Cold War.
@@souvikrc4499 Just as many towns governed by USA. To this day some are generally at large, nobody knows where they are or if they actually still function today. Cheap drama, TBH.
@@LikePhoenixFromAshes This just sounds like cheap whataboutism
Niemiecki to byl nazizm a nie faszyzm.
a tam nie kłóć się bez powodu
Auch in anderen Ländern, wo es den Menschen nicht gut ging, konnte der Faschismus Fuß fassen, insbesondere in Deutschland, wo er "Nationalsozialismus" hieß. Erst mit dem Ende des Zweiten Weltkrieges 1945 war der faschistische Terror in den europäischen Ländern vorbei.
@@magdaty1815 Po co
Mi tu po niemiecku piszesz ?
Ale to nie było wyjaśnienie gdzie faszyzm powstał, tylko który faszyzm tam działał. Ja pieprzę chłopie.
@@1972scenic z takim ciasnym umysłem chcesz się mienić ekspertem? Skoro Niemcy wobec swoich, jakby nie było antenatów, używają pojęcia faszyzm, to czemu uważasz że wiesz lepiej?
@@magdaty1815 Bo wiem. Oni powielają bzdury. Faszyzm byl we włoszech.
2:03 Jebac PIS 😂😂😂
Jebac tvn
Jeszcze 8:02
Im curious to know about how polish people percieve the Soviet occupation vs the German. Are the soviets worse or the germans
This question is like: what is better? Lose your right or left leg? ;) They both killed our citizens, they stole our gold and our museums. They both had political police (Gestapo and KGB), political assasins. So what is better?
For sure, as history shows, the USA and England for some time thought Germans were worse than Soviets since they allied with Soviets against Germans.
Cement must have been super cheap during Hitler's time.
No. But the labor was.
I am from this city, you can ask questions.
is the video correct
is corrext
@@letsgodababypotion7806 @diamantemine
Video is correct, but quite short. There is way more interesting things. Like for example soviet's soldiers who
started to plunder a Polish village near Borne Sulinowo. The Polish army intervened and there was a battle between the "allies" in which 300 people died.
Soviet army East Europe cold war era.Poland dyslokations Arsenal A,B,C !
Nothing better than „jebac pis" on the wall
Yes, now you have nato army and Missiles Not just in Poland and lots of European countries.
What do Russia trying to gain from these volatile region? A victory that no one could win ? A natural resources ?
what when?
To moze sie przydac na 3 wojne z sovietami
You cannot find lists of ex soviet bases anywhere. So of they exist someone needs to translate from google russian? Oops pooptin ruined that.
Reminds me of katyn.
Chcialem sie Angielskiego pouczyc a tu po Polsku polowa 😂
Why civilians there now and not the Polish army?
The Polish army doesn't need some old XX century ruins. Come on.
The russians seem to rush b again
so... wait... soviets had warheads in poland but nato had to remove those from turkey after cuban crisis. yeah soviets win cuban crisis for sure. not to mention some nukes stay on cuba anyway since americans didnt even know about those
But the difference is missiles in Turkey could hit the Soviet mainland, but missiles in Poland would only hit US allies, not the mainland.
That kid in soviet uniform should learn history better and remember all those who were tortured and killed by USSR... And never wear this uniform again.
I am sure the Red Army would be proud to see that kid in their uniform!!!...particularly the haircut and shoes!!...It is funny, and interesting still, to see the Soviets and the Nazis uniforms and history today, to think that neither exists anymore, and that both were at some point, the "boogie man" of the west...Some people do not understand the fascination with those 2 for the reasons before mentioned, and quickly jump to conclusions assuming interest in them rises out of ideology compatibility, as if one were either a Nazi, or a Communist...which in reality makes those accusers more like the Nazis and Communists by attempting to suppress the curiosity in history and interest in knowledge of ideologies contrary to their own...How free, then, are we...in reality??? How much different are we (our civilization) from theirs???...Will our civilization ever be addressed as the "Criminal" ideology as the person interviewed said of the USSR and Nazi Germany???...who is then "right"...when we all seem to be wrong? 🤔
he has to say that otherwise he'll get into trouble
Okay Mr. Himmel
7:52 yeah, imagine, imagination can take one to the land of unicorns and cotton candy trees.
Geez, those people taken by the imagination to all the wrong places, yet they cannot imagine how important military secrecy is to the national security.
National security? Do you mean security of nations behind the Iron Curtain? If yes, u may live in different dimension cause East Germany, People’s Republic of Poland and Czechoslovakia were predicted to be centre of battleground during nuclear Holocaust in war between NATO and Warsaw Pact.
Thus, it is obvious that there, death(nuclear weapon) was kept in a storage.
Do you think it was necessary to have so many bombs they could wipe out half of humanity? Also he didnt say that military secrecy isnt important.
To be frank, I agree with you. It's good that BBC tackled such topic, but - as always - it is severely overdramatized. Strange that noone but Russians show American ICBM launchers with such caution and anxiety, yet they were pointing those EXACTLY the same way as Soviets. Double standards. Also Poland would be annihilated not by CCCP arsenal, but USA one. Maybe pointless remark, but equally to those guide and historian ones about warheads. Crimea had those warheads (and/or still does) also. So what?
@@psz5515 They had those bombs or they hadn't - that's what is unknown. Somehow, it's still the USA which is the only country that wiped two foreign cities with nuclear bombs. He didn't say that military secrecy is not important (we don't even know whether he is familiar with the notion). But he makes out of the military secrecy an allegation against Russians. If there is anything else to be clarified from my part, just let me know. I'm not trying to convince anybody to anything, I only express my thinking.
Bald and bankrupt heaven
“And now we have NATO weapons of mass destruction all over Poland, and we are relieved and delighted to be their battlefield and cannon fodder rather than Russia’s”
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Woooow first comment by meeee :)
Hooray!
Well done 👍
The present Polish government has combined elements of the previous two regimes
Explain please
This is again just a government in Poland, don't mistake it for Polish government. German camps were based in Poland but they weren''t Polish. American military bases in Poland are not Polish, those bases are American. The difference is immense.
@@magdaty1815 you layed it out for his nicely i couldn't have said it better 👏🏻
Blame the last dictator of europe for whatever happens
Please remove yourself
"Polish army was Russia's first line of defence."
Poland was occupied by Russia , the Poles would have switched sides in a invasion.
Same with ,Ukraine, East Germany and Belarus.
Too bad the USA planned to nuke Warsaw in they're war plans to dismantle the Warsaw pact..
Belarus was never occupied. Only by Poland and Nazi
@@user-zk4lo4fw2n Occupied by Nazi Germany, Belarus was retaken by Stalin's Russia in 1944 and remained under Soviet control until declaring its sovereignty on July 27, 1990 and independence from the Soviet Union on August 25, 1991. It has been run by authoritarian PresidentAlexander Lukashenko since 1994.
@@user-zk4lo4fw2n Occupied by Poland? Hahahahaha!
Да здравствует Советский Союз!
“Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it“...the Poles seem to be with very short memory.. though It could be worse...being Ukrainian...
There are currently 22 large to medium US air bases in the UK, some have little towns with US shops and British people cannot go on the bases without escort or with special passes. There are dozens of US intelligence bases that are not marked and are top secret. Although some you can see, like the vast array of ariels near Birmingham, this is said to be a HARP over horizon Radar. In London, the US marines have a barracks for about six hundred men, I will not say where it is as that would cause trouble, local people know what it is.
In the nineteen eighties, Margaret Thatcher signed an agreement with Ronald Reagan of the USA, allowing them to monitor all electronic communications in the UK, conversely the English would spy on the Yanks as it was illegal for them to do it, then the English would swap the data with the Yanks.
It has been a thousand years since the Normans conquered Britain and converted it into a slave economy, they never left and still make up the
Paristocracy of the UK, it has been 76 years since the end of WW2 and the Yanks are still here, so we have two levels of corrupt oppressors here, never mind the Church, the Masons and the welfare state.
Incidently, the Hun will be wanting Silesia back in the not too distant future, your mad aristo Polish rulers are blinded by hatred of Russia, and a lot of inbreeding. Polish people are naive about what the EU represents, but maybe the Hun are right, you like being their bitches, this is known as Stockholm syndrome.
The difference is that US bases have been established by a treaty established by the democratic British state, while the Soviet bases were a part of Soviet occupation of Poland.
You make such a stink about this Russia thing or that Soviet thing; always being pergoritive. To show some balance how about doing something equally pergoritive on White America's NORAD towns?
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Those times when soviet poland possessed nukes
FFS, there's no such thing as soviet Poland.
@@amjan Communist Poland i beliebe