Why I still Believe This is All You Really Need
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ohhhhhh Phil coming out swinging with the basssss! I love it
I have an M13 that's been gathering dust in the closet for years. This past winter I decided to put it up for sale but I first decided to go online to figure out its sale value. I was figuring maybe $125. I found online that people were still loving this thing, so I decided to just play through it one more time. I realized two things - first, when it comes to time-based effects, no one cares or even can tell if the delay or reverb is coming from some higher-end pedal or something like the M13 in a live gig situation, at least for me who uses effects sparingly to just add a little texture to existing tone. I was even a bit disheartened because the M13 lo-res delay pedal sounded better than my Evantide delay pedal that I bought new for $250. The second thing I realized was that just because it's no longer the newest device on the market doesn't mean it's not worth using anymore. When was the last time anyone ever said, "That band last night would have sounded a lot better if the reverb the guitar player used wasn't from a ten year old amp modeler."? No one notices or cares. I decided I still love my M13. It may not be on my pedalboard and I will never use the distortions on it. But for all the great- sounding time-based pedals and other pedals (the noise gate works well) along with it's ease of use, I'll never get rid of it.
I've replaced my whole pedalboard with the HX Stomp.. no need to deal with annoying patch cables, grip tape, power supplies, carrying a big board around to gigs, needing a carry-case for the board...etc.. not to mention being able to replace an entire bass rig and acoustic rig..all in one. Toss it into my gig bag and go. I do prefer to use a real amp with it, but it's definitely a usable backup rig or travel/fly rig for me.
I have one too, I don't play live, I just record in my room, and I love it. I use it for everything, pedals and amps, only other pedal I have is a Whammy V and i'm good for a lifetime.
But pedals are so fun. But I get it. If you gig a lot it gets tiresome.
sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the alternative to using a real amp with it?
@@carloshenriquemorais250using the amp models in Stomp directly in foh
The effects in the M5 are not being updated anymore. WHile the HX One has all of the effects from the helix line, and will keep getting more over time. But perhaps the best reason for getting the HX One over the M5 is the foot switches. M-series footswitch are notorious for failing over time, and they are not ordinary switches. The switches on the HX One are much more standardized AND more robust. You might not have tried all of the Dynamic revers, but they are wonderful. Also, there are many other new effects that are really great. The M5 was killer for its day, but the HX One, even at $100-$150 more, is a cut above in almost every way.
Completely agree. Especially the foot switches. Also, playing live, the LCD display is hard to read unless you bend down and get really close due to tiny backlit screen. Love the sound but hard for me to use live anymore.
Oh dear, I did not know that about the M5 footswtitches. I bought one secondhand last year (mostly on Phil's recommendation). Oh well, let's hope they don't give way soon
Timuih lol. Timah! Like South Park. I cant say for sure but I think there are South Park fans at Line 6.
I own both the M5 and the HX One and without a doubt the HX One is more than worth the extra money.... the footprint, Flux and ability to run it in 4CM, not to mention a better midi integreation really makes it a killer swiss army knife for your pedalboard.... I really do like the M5, and it's served me well for many years, but if I had to pick one the HX one stays without a doubt
just me spotting the Higher Ground base intro ?
HX FX + Tonex for the win!
My HX One has literally not been turned off since I got it several months ago. Not all the effects are great - but many of them are!
As a guitar teacher, the m5 was the pedal I recommended every pedal-beginner to start with. Every time a student asks for a certain type of pedal we try the digital one to see if he/she really likes it. Then we search for the right variant in the right price range of that pedal for the student.
Sure, and my flight instructor said fly Microsoft Flight Sim planes to find the one I like, before I buy it...
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@@kennethc2466 ....and the useless unfunny trolls have entered the room...
@@elguapo5467 Don't speak about yourself that way. I'm sure your trolling is very useful to your frail ego.
@@kennethc2466actually for a student I think it’s a good idea for them to get a decent multi effects pedal. Then they can learn about each effect. Over time with their multi effects pedal, when they’re ready to upgrade and start building a pedal board if they so please, they will have a much better idea of what they’re looking for. To go out and buy all the different effects in single pedals even cheap ones is still going to be quite expensive.
Hi Guitar Guy 👦 nice video 📹 and workmanship sounds really good on the first one and try
I use it on synth! It has a phenomenal stereo reverb called dynamic plate which is probably one of the best reverbs of all time. Better than the cloudburst and it has hundreds of other effects.
I use my M5 with my two notes opus and that’s my rig. 100% agree on the M5 drive pedals, the tube driver being the best of the bunch.
I have thought about doing exact same thing.
Great review and comparison. That Kiesel bass is sick!
Thank you
Seriously sick!
To this day my heads that I play over anything else is my Line 6 HD147 and Spider Valve mkII HD100.
Forget the pedals. Keep playing bass!!
I actually thought the acoustic sim sounded pretty good. In my opinion, a person can get as good or better using an electric and sim as opposed to a quacky piezo.
Okay wait….Phil is a great bass player. He really does SLAP DA BASS MON
Love seeing the Vader make an appearance 😁 I'm looking forward to running bass through this also
My current rig is the HX effects into a tonemaster twin reverb. Really happy with the sound and ease of lugging it around. The tonemaster can get crazy loud, but also silent, with straight out to FOH
The HX series has the best polyphonic tune down capability on the market, too...the poly capo. I've used the Drop, the Pitchfork plus, the Fractal FM9, the Quad Cortex, and the HX One/Stomp/Effects outdoes them all. We play a lot of songs in drop tunings; with these pedals, I don't have to retune or carry extra guitars. Kudos, Line 6!
Its a bold claim
A true true test would be if it sounded good playing slide in standard tuning with the Hx pitching it to open E or G. That be shocking if it sounded close to real thing
I really love my Line 6 M9 but I also use a Boss ME25 which is great too. I split and go into both together to separate Tonemaster deluxe amp. Too nice.
some tasty riffing there big Phil - more metal man lol \m/
Phil, your video made me consider again the Line6 all-in-one pedal proposal. I owned and sold an M5 because I wasn't happy with the sound. After watching this video, I reconsidered the idea and finally bought the HX version, of which I am delighted. The sound is superior to the M5. I added it to my pedalboard, and now I'm happy. Thank you for your great videos and ideas. Live long and prosper!
Some of Line 6 products are very underrated.
My helix LT is my friend. Also the Zoom MS is great
Line 6 has come a long way, that's for sure! I had one of the first POD XT Live, and it was junk. I told myself I'd never buy another Line 6 product again - I may have to eat those words. I just don't like firmware updates and stuff like that.
Just buy an HX Stomp. It's twice the price, 50% bigger, and 10 times the unit.
if your still such a noob that your overwhelmed by hx stomps options, get a m5. its good enough for trey anastasio, so its good enough for us. hx one makes NO sense. a used stomp goes for 300. if you buy a 329 hx one you damage the market. look what ik did with the tonex one sub 200. sorry line6, you have to move, its time. you hypnotised us well but some are waking up. hx stomp is the most value in a pedal. i luv it. next gen it should have full dsp, touchscreen and an optional flightdeck of a helix style foot controller. for whoever wants that. its 2024. done wielding. move. and if you are to impaired to get the hx stomp, let someone show you. or go see your neurologist for early onset Alzheimers.
I'd like to see a shootout with this, and say a boss GT-1. I own a GT-1 and I enjoy it. Great for a small space playing area.
I have a M9 on my board. It’s a great learning tool for pedal stacking. I also have a M13 that is my grab and jam all-in-one, and fits perfectly in any laptop case.
I owned an M9. Switches were crap, one broke in mine the first month of use at home... The sounds are great tho.
Teemah sounds perfect for covering a Juanes song called Mala Gente
Is it worth getting a midi so you can switch between more effects?
how would you rate it next to the new headrush core (price notwithstanding)?
Where is Line 6 having these made (which country)?
I am surprised it is not mentioned that the One has more effects, it has a freeze, multi pitch, and some effects more creative/ambient. I think it is a big plus and the expectation of those effects growing up with new upgrades. I own a Line M5 because of Phillip and I want a Stomp but if I can`t convinced myself to spend that much the One will come sooner or later.
I’m considering one just for the pitch effects alone
The older I get, the more I realize how I don’t need a huge boutique pedalboard and now multi-effects are great
But the Fluxxxx! Incredible demo
I own 3 - haven't paid more than $125
i took my m5 of my board last night, and i'm sad.
Line6 M5 and the old Zoom MS series
I was lucky enough to get my M5 as a result of being on the beta test team for it. Found the Uni-VIbe program somewhat wanting, but there were LOTS of other interesting effects, well beyond the ordinary. One of the interesting things about the unit, and a great many other stereo pedals, is the opportunity for "re-processing". That is, the output of one channel can be fed, via a cable, to the input of the other channel, to be processed by the DSP all over again. It doesn't always yield something interesting in every case, but some duplicate effects sound really good, and different. Just keep in mind that levels have to be set judiciously, to avoid oscillation. My favorite is to use reverse delay and reprocess that. Many companies assume, quite rightly, that many players will feed such pedals a mono input signal, but *use* the stereo output. Because of this, the DSP often provides a modified form of the effect at the "alternate" output, to produce a stereo effect. Feeding reverse delay back to the other channel gets RE-reversed (i.e., made forward), but it gets combined with the reversed repeats of the first channel, so that the result is a combination of forwards and backwards delays. Plenty of surprises using other effects in a similar manner.
Interesting story. Do you work at l6 that time?
@@Helix-Man No. I would expect that a responsible company would beta-test their products with people who had nothing to do with the company, so as to get the most objective user views. I was also a beta tester for the Tone Core series of pedals. Ironically, because of cross-border customs issues (I'm in Canada, L6 is in California), the pedals they had sent me were held up at FedEx, and shipped back to L6. Jeorge "Mr. Huge" Tripps (then project manager at L6) felt bad about it, and later sent me a big box full of them. I never found out how I was recommended to be a beta-tester, but I gather it was via my long association with the DIYstompbox forum.
@@markhammer643 I just notice you are mark hammer. I spend my college days on your fx forum. No wonder they choose you. Man, I miss that old day.
@@Helix-Man Yep . Guilty as charged. Some days I think I post so much because there are just so damn many manuals to read, and I'm avoiding doing my homework.😏
@@markhammer643 haha. Still obsessed in diy fx. But now just use helix
Do you notice a latency difference between this and higher-end Line 6 modellers?
nope
What guitar is baby blue and white on wall?
I've never had an M5, but I have two HX Ones. One stays with my bedroom amp so my wife can participate in the fun. The other floats between amps and I very often find myself using it exactly as you described--testing out pedals and sounds that I would otherwise have to buy to try. I had my doubts about the usefulness of a one at a time multi-pedal, but found that it's kind of like a Swiss Army Knife. All the tools in one little package, but you only use one at a time.
Do you use them also together? I was thinking getting 2 as well but I haven't go through all the synths yet
@@theprezenz I've never paired them together, but I have used one to add some DSP to my HX Stomp. I downsized from a Helix floor a while back and sometimes miss the extra parallel FX paths. The HX One is just a good tool to have for flexibility.
nope.. also need one Swirly Gig and one beer :)
I like the zoom ms-70
I have the fractal fm 3 and I will use my zoom 70
Could you please tell them to upgrade the firmware so we can save the presets in off like the M5? Also the tuner doesn’t work in true bypass, there are midi issues etc… I love the M5 and I’ll love the HX one someday, I hope. When they fix the unfinished product that is.
Hxone had a feeeeeeedbacker
Tube Amp GOD MOD! I'm showing the world what everyone doesn't know about tube amps tomorrow on my channel. I'm going to change the music world for everyone tomorrow! Thanks
Everyone is different. Some of us only need a guitar and a little cranked up Fender or Vox.
ok
First I got an HX stomp and loved it. Then years later I added a Tonex. And last year I got the Fender FR 10, and my rig is just plain complete. I don't even want anything else. My amps are dusty.
wow that L6 distortion is fantastic
I don't even need that. All I need is a straight cord between my guitar and any good tube amp, particularly if it has reverb but I can get along without even that. Plug me straight into a JMP era Marshall and I'm a happy man. No noise toys in between to mess up the signal, please!
I loved my M5 on my board for both a tuner and synth sounds. But, it didn’t last long and stopped working. I think I had gotten it for $75 used at the time.
To me it sounds more than ok, I’m still rocking the g system and would like to upgrade/downsize.
Could you review hotone pedals?
👍👍Best cure for GAS is to go straight to your gear and find 'That Sound'
Chances are very good that you already have it, or a close enough version.
Like the copper finish BTW
Because it’s not! You’ll definitely need a guitar too, preferably with strings. 👍🏻
Okay Phil - more bass demos as long as you slap bass! Loved it. I’ve had an M5 for years and always come back to it.
I'm not really much of a guitarist, but enjoy as a hobby. I agree w/ Phillip on the M5. I have two of them, one in front of amp for filter fx like wah, whammy, etc. (Like he said, not a fan of the distortion sound) The other one is in the loop for time fx, like flange or phase. I have dedicated pedals for drive, delay, 'verb. but the M5 is for things not used that ofter and don't warrant stand alone pedal, like a phaser.
It’s a great affordable product I just find that most of the sounds I don’t like while the h9 I love the sounds and usability
I just got the M5 and I love it. I used to use the POD HD500 but stopped being happy with the amp sims and ODs. But I really missed the reverbs (especially the Particle Verb) but needed something that fit on my board. The first time I used it I discovered I needed chorus, which I would never buy. Turns out I already had one on my board in the M5. I don’t care for the size, but I have spare room on my board.
Awesome job!
I bought an M5 because Bob Bradshaw said it was great. The man who built foot controllers and rack systems for a lot of great players.
Affordable modeling systems like this or the Spark amps are pretty great for the whole try it before you buy it thing. Even if they aren’t “the same” they’re pretty dang close and a tiny fraction of the cost.
Mike Campbell Tom Petty’s guitar player had a blue M4 on his pedal board!
I think this is to say good bye for Line6 to the old Pod HD-base units, as they are moving to HX-based units.
Thanks Phil. I just bought an HX-one and spent a couple of hours just going through the effects and found several that I really like. I really do feel it is a money-saver in the long run and the effects are very good quality IMHO. I need to take the time to do a deep dive and learn how to use it correctly, and this video is a great start.
Does the HX One have all the effects on it or do you have to choose to miss some out due to DSP limitations? Cheers
@@keithb5612 The HX-one has over 250 available effects as well as several options on parameters within each effect. I haven't found any limitations at all other than the fact that you can only use one effect at a time. The sub-menus on each effect allows you to modify several different aspects of the effect to dial it in to your liking.
@@Russell_Optics Many thanks for your reply
Phil, I am still considering a version of a Kemper-your thoughts?
Philip I see you and I agree on the Line 6 OD's. However I also agree with the ones you mentioned. Line 6 or the HX family of effects are really good . Since I keep my pedalboard small I am kind of looking at the ToneX 1 but I can see the use for either the M5 or the Line 6 One.
My first rig was a Silver faced Fender Champ and a Pro Co Ratt pedal. I still like that combination.
I'm not sure if the M5 has the updated Reverbs and Pitch shifting effects which are both much better than what was previously available.
Hi Phil, can the HX One be used with an acoustic electric guitar.
Yes
Yes it can.
If you play live, just get a Stomp or Quad Cortex. All the tones you need.
The idea of having a unit that you can sort of “preview” pedals before purchasing is worth the $150 cost right there.
I had an M13 and it was great! But I was foolish enough to sell it for new pedals and now I'm still trying to build out my pedalboard haha
M5 is criminally underrated and under priced on second hand market… which is a good thing actually for guitar players
I bought one (M5) after the last time I heard you talk about it. It was a good pedal but it crapped out after a year with no wear at all. Just sat on a shelf. Not giving them my money again.
Nice bass playing!
The HX drives are a noticeable improvement but the M series is stilll totally usable. I regularly use both.
My M5 is the centre of my ambient and modulation sounds for my pedal board. Its the SAK of pedals
The m5 will never be off my board because at the very least it’s an excellent tuner. But man is it tons of fun when looking to experiment or find something new.
I gigged a lot with my helix using the ts9 and maxon sd9 models in the front of a solid state amp (randall kh80) and got some amazing tones and great fun.
They fell and sound great.
None of the drive settings were impressive. That is because I prefer clean tube amps with a hint of overdrive.
Like to have something like this. Been looking for a modulation/delay/reverb pedal. But I need a pedal that has more than one pedal at a time.
Thank you.
Kiesel's Vader Series is likely the best headless bass out there, and that's at really any price level beyond really high end one-offs.
Please check the new Zoom Multistomp and compare it to Line 6.
Phil doing some Mark King level bass slapping 🎸👍
Nice bass playing! I haven’t seen you do that on your channel before.
Bought my M5 on your recommendation back in the day. Love it!
Heyyyyy phil playing a bass on this review. More of this is always appreciated.
what pickups model are yuu using on that strat?
I prefer using a limiter for Bass. Great demo 👍👍👍👍
is the M5 'software' updated to improve the effects?
i love those m5's too. it is basically every pedal i do not have.
so Phil, I went back to watch the M5 pedal, and you used an Ibanez RG550, too bad you did not use the same guitar in reviewing the HX ONE. That would be the true test.
@UCuXF2A-pre5f16fHxHeU2OA thanks
What do you think of the Tone-x?
I've been eyeing one but have yet to pull the trigger.
I have a Tonex, and I think it is amazing. I use it with a Fender Tone Master 10 FRFR speaker cabinet. Keep in mind it doesn't have any effects other than reverb. The tone library online is amazing.
M9 user for last few years, still going strong.