Lots of good tips obviously from real world experience. I will save this video for future reference. Always sm grateful for your practical take on things, Ian.
Thank you,Ian for that very in-depth review on the Mosko Moto luggage racks. Very cool luggage and I love the locking feature on that euro rack. Looking forward to your next video. Thank you.
Thanks Ian…just picked up a 1250GSA and have been debating luggage choice…I was leaning toward the euromount…your recommendation confirms the choice. 👍 When I make the purchase, I will use your link.
I love Mosko’s gear. I used their Backcountry Panniers and Backcountry Duffle on a DesertX this past summer, traveling 7,500 miles to and from the Arctic Ocean in Canada. The bike and luggage were completely coated in road gunk (dust, mud, probably some sealant and maybe a few critters) by the time I returned home, and yet the interior of the bags stayed completely clean and dry, I also have the adapter for the BMW R1250 GSA rack so I can switch between the hard cases and the Mosko bags. If I didn’t already have the adapter, and also use the bags on the DesertX, I’d certainly get that Euro mount. (It’s possible to lock the release mechanism on the standard bags, as well as, of course, using the cable locks, but the new design looks leaner, lighter, and easier to use.) I realize the gear is expensive, and out of reach for some folks, but I feel it is fairly priced, given the great design and incredible build quality.
I’ve got a set of offset backcountry panniers on outback Motortek pannier racks on my 2021 ATAS. Love them, lockable with cable lock, easy to take off and take into motel, bullet proof tough, aux pockets are very handy and beaver tail is extremely useful. Bought them on sale years ago. Couple buddies have reckless 80’s, good but tough to pack.
This is how they measure the volume of motorcycle luggage, per Grok. Measuring the capacity of motorcycle luggage involves several methods to determine how much gear or cargo can be stored. Here's how it's typically done: Volume in Liters (L): Soft Luggage: For soft luggage like saddlebags, tank bags, and tail packs, the volume is often measured by filling the bag with a known volume of material, such as water or more commonly, dried beans or small beads. This method gives a good approximation of the usable space when the bag is packed. The volume is then calculated in liters. For example, Giant Loop uses dried pinto beans to measure the volume of their soft luggage. Hard Luggage: Hard luggage like panniers and top cases often has a specified internal volume in liters based on their dimensions. This can be calculated using the formula for the volume of a box (length × width × height), though the actual usable space might be slightly less due to the shape or internal structure of the box. Dimensions: Some manufacturers provide the dimensions of the luggage in inches or centimeters, which can help riders visualize the space. However, converting these dimensions directly into volume can be misleading for soft luggage that expands or conforms to its contents. Helmet Capacity: A practical measure often cited is how many helmets can fit into a piece of luggage. For example, a top box might be described as having capacity for one or two full-face helmets. This gives a tangible sense of the space available. Weight Capacity: While not a direct measure of volume, weight capacity is also important. Manufacturers specify a maximum weight that the luggage can carry, often listed in kilograms or pounds. This is crucial for ensuring that the luggage and the bike's handling remain safe and balanced. Expandability: Some luggage systems are expandable, allowing for additional volume when needed. This is often mentioned in the product specifications, where the standard volume and the expanded volume are both given. Practical Testing: Many riders or reviewers measure capacity by packing typical items for a trip (e.g., clothing, tools, camping gear) to see how much can realistically fit. This method accounts for the irregular shapes of items and the actual packing efficiency of different luggage types. When choosing motorcycle luggage, riders should consider both the volume (for space) and the weight capacity (for safety and bike stability) based on their travel needs. Different types of luggage (soft vs. hard) offer different advantages in terms of capacity, security, and weather resistance, which should also influence the choice.
All I need and really want is the Alpine but the idea of weaving straps for even the few times I use them each year, warrants the backcountry. I wish they sold the quick mounting plate/puck system separately. If they did, it would be a chunk of money though. Buy once cry once I guess.
They cost what they do because of stupid decisions. Half of the price is shipping all around the world before it even comes on sale. Another reason is greed. If it's cheaper to make any kind of luggage in Europe than in Asia then you're doing something very wrong. Mosko Moto is made in Bangladesh but priced in Buckingham palace.
Good vid and explanations about some of their top of the line bags. I'm working on some designs to show them now. Very receptive to ideas. I want an Alpine 30 type bag that can be placed over the seat and secured much like the Giant Loop Siskiyou bags. Vertical top load waterproof with minimal attachment but secure points on a flexible but strong backing that attaches to the bike like the reckless units but more forward. Also top load rear seat bag with the beavertail. I have this thing about gravity. If the door comes open on the bottom all falls out before you know it. I don't like rear loading or side loading bags. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, it can be achieved. we'll see. All good Ian. From the arctic regions of east Kentucky USA. We'll survive to ride another day. Next time
Yep, the siskiyou are awesome. I definitely wish the siskiyou internal roll top bag strapped down instead of back onto itself. I Ran the BC35s for along time, but am much happier with the lighter siskiyou panniers. Not interested at all in the tube shaped legs of the reckless luggage. I found that a camel adventure tank is perfect at supporting the non exhaust side bag of the siskiyou. No rack required
@@AceCarleton Yes I may run a Camel Adv Tank soon. There's room for improvement on all this luggage. I'll do what I can. I like a roll top with a flap over it. The flatter the better. I just don't like an end opening. I know someday I'll leave it loose and loose everything out before I catch it. I have some really good bags but getting old like me.
Hi Ian, thank you. The backcountry are very nice for sure, but man are they expensive. For a retired guy, hard to justify. I remember you had a set of Bumot Xtramada panniers (which comes with two exterior pockets). How does one justify spend the extra? Would love your feedback or anyone else’s that have experience with both sets. Thanks much.
You said that you have sets of Mosko Moto. I have the same GSA as you for the same reasons you stated in that video. With the GSA, did you settle with Offsets or both 35s?
Possibly a dumb question….i ride a BMW R1300GS. I have a top box (Shad). When I tour I travel with a passenger. I prefer Rackless because I don’t want any racks or luggage on the bike when I ride alone or when we are not touring, with the exception of my top box. Is there a soft luggage option that is rackless, that is ok with the top box remaining place and that leaves the pillion seat free for my passenger. I ideally want a decent amount of rackless baggage that I can throw on just for longer tours. Any advice is appreciated and I will ultimately purchase through affiliate link whatever I decide - I appreciate your thoughtful content.
I love the concept of the Alpines, but that cost.. Honestly the Nelson Rigg Sierra bags are $200 and function the same way. I think Mosco over did the price point on these Alpine bags.
I’ve just swapped from Bumot Extrameda panniers which are less than half price to the mosko moto backcountry 35 litre, firstly I think Bumot 35 litre is deffo more than MM 35 litre, secondly, when you stuff the dry bags with your weekend clothes or whatever, I can’t just slide it into the MM35, it resists, the Bumot slide in really easy, I’ve tried this several times now….Thirdly I think it’s much easier to close up the Bumot with the buckles than faffing around with that one metal buckle on the MM35, you gotta keep hold of the really bulky rolled up top part whilst trying to slide the buckle into position… last night I was in my garage thinking, have I really upgraded??? At OVER double the price I think not…. I should have stayed with Bumot, don’t get me wrong, the quality and the aux pox are great, it is a great piece of kit, thanks for the video….
Hi, I have a 1250gsa and run reckless 80 with gnoblin. I put an aluminium Givi top case mount on the standard bmw top rack then drilled that through and bolted the gnoblin through that. Big step forward in ease of use and holds the r80 more stable with a bit of space behind it without the straps there. Good luck, it’s worth the effort
Lots of good tips obviously from real world experience. I will save this video for future reference. Always sm grateful for your practical take on things, Ian.
Thank you,Ian for that very in-depth review on the Mosko Moto luggage racks. Very cool luggage and I love the locking feature on that euro rack. Looking forward to your next video. Thank you.
Glad you found it helpful!
Thanks Ian…just picked up a 1250GSA and have been debating luggage choice…I was leaning toward the euromount…your recommendation confirms the choice. 👍 When I make the purchase, I will use your link.
That's awesome!
I love Mosko’s gear. I used their Backcountry Panniers and Backcountry Duffle on a DesertX this past summer, traveling 7,500 miles to and from the Arctic Ocean in Canada. The bike and luggage were completely coated in road gunk (dust, mud, probably some sealant and maybe a few critters) by the time I returned home, and yet the interior of the bags stayed completely clean and dry, I also have the adapter for the BMW R1250 GSA rack so I can switch between the hard cases and the Mosko bags. If I didn’t already have the adapter, and also use the bags on the DesertX, I’d certainly get that Euro mount. (It’s possible to lock the release mechanism on the standard bags, as well as, of course, using the cable locks, but the new design looks leaner, lighter, and easier to use.)
I realize the gear is expensive, and out of reach for some folks, but I feel it is fairly priced, given the great design and incredible build quality.
I’ve got a set of offset backcountry panniers on outback Motortek pannier racks on my 2021 ATAS. Love them, lockable with cable lock, easy to take off and take into motel, bullet proof tough, aux pockets are very handy and beaver tail is extremely useful. Bought them on sale years ago. Couple buddies have reckless 80’s, good but tough to pack.
Thanks for sharing
Mosko products are top notch, super tough, well designed gear. And their team are the best. They really have amazing service.
Couldn't agree more!
This is how they measure the volume of motorcycle luggage, per Grok.
Measuring the capacity of motorcycle luggage involves several methods to determine how much gear or cargo can be stored. Here's how it's typically done:
Volume in Liters (L):
Soft Luggage: For soft luggage like saddlebags, tank bags, and tail packs, the volume is often measured by filling the bag with a known volume of material, such as water or more commonly, dried beans or small beads. This method gives a good approximation of the usable space when the bag is packed. The volume is then calculated in liters. For example, Giant Loop uses dried pinto beans to measure the volume of their soft luggage.
Hard Luggage: Hard luggage like panniers and top cases often has a specified internal volume in liters based on their dimensions. This can be calculated using the formula for the volume of a box (length × width × height), though the actual usable space might be slightly less due to the shape or internal structure of the box.
Dimensions:
Some manufacturers provide the dimensions of the luggage in inches or centimeters, which can help riders visualize the space. However, converting these dimensions directly into volume can be misleading for soft luggage that expands or conforms to its contents.
Helmet Capacity:
A practical measure often cited is how many helmets can fit into a piece of luggage. For example, a top box might be described as having capacity for one or two full-face helmets. This gives a tangible sense of the space available.
Weight Capacity:
While not a direct measure of volume, weight capacity is also important. Manufacturers specify a maximum weight that the luggage can carry, often listed in kilograms or pounds. This is crucial for ensuring that the luggage and the bike's handling remain safe and balanced.
Expandability:
Some luggage systems are expandable, allowing for additional volume when needed. This is often mentioned in the product specifications, where the standard volume and the expanded volume are both given.
Practical Testing:
Many riders or reviewers measure capacity by packing typical items for a trip (e.g., clothing, tools, camping gear) to see how much can realistically fit. This method accounts for the irregular shapes of items and the actual packing efficiency of different luggage types.
When choosing motorcycle luggage, riders should consider both the volume (for space) and the weight capacity (for safety and bike stability) based on their travel needs. Different types of luggage (soft vs. hard) offer different advantages in terms of capacity, security, and weather resistance, which should also influence the choice.
Great explanation of motorcycle luggage measurement methods! Thanks for sharing.
@@BigRockMoto I very much appreciate your work, thank you.
All I need and really want is the Alpine but the idea of weaving straps for even the few times I use them each year, warrants the backcountry. I wish they sold the quick mounting plate/puck system separately. If they did, it would be a chunk of money though. Buy once cry once I guess.
They cost what they do because of stupid decisions. Half of the price is shipping all around the world before it even comes on sale. Another reason is greed. If it's cheaper to make any kind of luggage in Europe than in Asia then you're doing something very wrong. Mosko Moto is made in Bangladesh but priced in Buckingham palace.
Is there a reason you don't have any reviews of kriega gear?
Probably because it’s not in Mosko’s league! Kreiga is no where near the quality of Mosko!
@@veiledallegory 😂 gimme a break😂
He gets it free from them for testing. Kreiga can do the same…up to them….
Good vid and explanations about some of their top of the line bags. I'm working on some designs to show them now. Very receptive to ideas. I want an Alpine 30 type bag that can be placed over the seat and secured much like the Giant Loop Siskiyou bags. Vertical top load waterproof with minimal attachment but secure points on a flexible but strong backing that attaches to the bike like the reckless units but more forward. Also top load rear seat bag with the beavertail. I have this thing about gravity. If the door comes open on the bottom all falls out before you know it. I don't like rear loading or side loading bags. It doesn't work for me. Yeah, it can be achieved. we'll see. All good Ian. From the arctic regions of east Kentucky USA. We'll survive to ride another day. Next time
Thanks for the feedback, and best of luck with your designs!
@BigRockMoto thanks
Yep, the siskiyou are awesome.
I definitely wish the siskiyou internal roll top bag strapped down instead of back onto itself.
I Ran the BC35s for along time, but am much happier with the lighter siskiyou panniers.
Not interested at all in the tube shaped legs of the reckless luggage.
I found that a camel adventure tank is perfect at supporting the non exhaust side bag of the siskiyou. No rack required
@@AceCarleton Yes I may run a Camel Adv Tank soon. There's room for improvement on all this luggage. I'll do what I can. I like a roll top with a flap over it. The flatter the better. I just don't like an end opening. I know someday I'll leave it loose and loose everything out before I catch it. I have some really good bags but getting old like me.
Hi Ian, thank you. The backcountry are very nice for sure, but man are they expensive. For a retired guy, hard to justify. I remember you had a set of Bumot Xtramada panniers (which comes with two exterior pockets). How does one justify spend the extra? Would love your feedback or anyone else’s that have experience with both sets. Thanks much.
You said that you have sets of Mosko Moto. I have the same GSA as you for the same reasons you stated in that video. With the GSA, did you settle with Offsets or both 35s?
Possibly a dumb question….i ride a BMW R1300GS. I have a top box (Shad). When I tour I travel with a passenger. I prefer Rackless because I don’t want any racks or luggage on the bike when I ride alone or when we are not touring, with the exception of my top box. Is there a soft luggage option that is rackless, that is ok with the top box remaining place and that leaves the pillion seat free for my passenger. I ideally want a decent amount of rackless baggage that I can throw on just for longer tours. Any advice is appreciated and I will ultimately purchase through affiliate link whatever I decide - I appreciate your thoughtful content.
I would really love to know the brand and model of that screen-extension on the Himi.
I think it might be a relevant mod to mine!
I love the concept of the Alpines, but that cost.. Honestly the Nelson Rigg Sierra bags are $200 and function the same way. I think Mosco over did the price point on these Alpine bags.
I’ve just swapped from Bumot Extrameda panniers which are less than half price to the mosko moto backcountry 35 litre, firstly I think Bumot 35 litre is deffo more than MM 35 litre, secondly, when you stuff the dry bags with your weekend clothes or whatever, I can’t just slide it into the MM35, it resists, the Bumot slide in really easy, I’ve tried this several times now….Thirdly I think it’s much easier to close up the Bumot with the buckles than faffing around with that one metal buckle on the MM35, you gotta keep hold of the really bulky rolled up top part whilst trying to slide the buckle into position… last night I was in my garage thinking, have I really upgraded??? At OVER double the price I think not…. I should have stayed with Bumot, don’t get me wrong, the quality and the aux pox are great, it is a great piece of kit, thanks for the video….
Thanks for shaving
Does anyone know if there is a way of using the mosko moto gnobling mount on a r1250 gs from 2023? Cant find any information online.
Hi, I have a 1250gsa and run reckless 80 with gnoblin. I put an aluminium Givi top case mount on the standard bmw top rack then drilled that through and bolted the gnoblin through that. Big step forward in ease of use and holds the r80 more stable with a bit of space behind it without the straps there. Good luck, it’s worth the effort
@ thanks a lot!
Mosko commercial
That’s exactly what this channel turned into.
My wife knows nothing about riding and even she thinks mosko is out of my price range. 🙃
Their stuff is way too heavy.