If you are also a privacy nerd, you might want to read more or contribute to the GitHub discussion here: github.com/victornpb/undiscord/discussions/429 Also for the Discord employee that is being forced to watch this, please just add a mass delete message feature or something...
Though IMO if they add sth. like this, it should leave a place holder saying "a messages used to be here but now it's a ghost town" and maybe even be visible for server admins for like 3 days just to prevent people from spamming shit, then mass deleting their messaging and making moderation a hell.
GDPR is also the law that requires companies to separate the "I have read the terms" and "I want to receive marketing newsletter" with the latter having to be optional and opt-in. (Regardless of what the company may say, consent is mandatory.)
…I can’t believe I just saw a Discord sanction message that says “Teenagers need to be responsible for what they say”, it’s like being at High School announcement about how to deal with bullying and how it’s not their job to help the victims.
@@Diddz "But sir, it was self defense!" "Now now, in society, we take the high road, if there was an issue, you should report and turn the other check" **Makes the slow straggle gesture meme**
THIS is something I've been asking for YEARS. Back when I was 13, I sent a compromizing image to a real life "friend" because I was pressured into doing so. I deleted my Discord account expecting everything I wrote and posted to be deleted and scraped off their database/CDN... But, to my surprise, it wasn't. My "friend" still had the link to that compromised image (this was years before links expired) and there was quite literally nothing I could do to delete that image. I lived in fucking torment for a few years because he, along with other people, would constantly threaten me with sending the link to that image to other people in my IRL circles. It was hell on earth. I tried everything from Support to asking around and nobody could help me with removing that image as "Deleted Users can't have any more data removed from them". It's completely fucking unacceptable that Discord gets away with just "anonimizing" messages. Actual bullshit. My condoleances to anybody who has ever been affected by this. My sincerest middle finger to discord.
Don't get fooled by links expiring, they don't help your privacy at all, you can refresh any expired link easily by pasting the link into any discord chat (such as an empty group)
@@xDynomite219 i cant rlly say roblox does better 😭 the community cant last like 2 or 3 weeks without a pedophile being exposed and roblox doing nothing about it
discord actually USED to have this feature, but sadly got removed. it was called "asking someone to ban you, and delete all messages". now the max is a week
Totally unrelated. If some mod could ban you and remove EVERYTHING you ever said in the server, that would be unreasonable. It should be on YOU to remove what you want to, not on others to censor you.
@@erikkonstas if the person said stupid things over 7 days that arent at first worthy of being deleted, but eventually you get sick of them and want them gone, it is perfectly reasonable. any yes it is very related to the video, since both are about methods to get all you messages deleted
@@Mutrax4706 The video described the obvious trick where they attract their prey to the server, and once they have enough info ban them (without deleting messages) before they can even blink, let alone think about how they're going to protect such info. It's the victim who should have control in this case as well.
judging by the thumbnail, i think we REALLY need a button like that. also a video to be recommended after 30 seconds of it being published, wow. UPDATE: i tried it and discord replied with some random ahh shi, didn't delete a single message 💀 another update: guys it actually worked
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew Except Discord is too massively used to just "suspend" like that, there would be quite the significant uproar from every single EU country... well, unless everyone figures out how to change their DNS.
Even TH-cam has the option to wipe out your entire history on TH-cam so Discord needs to learn from them especially with how bad they are at keeping problem servers and users out of Discord
I contacted you about bulk deletion about a year ago and you were very kind to respond to my dm. I appreciate that you make this video because as you said; young teens get groomed on Discord a lot, and it's hard to move on when you know all your chat history is still out there for weirdos to see and share or whatever they do with it.
Because it isn't. Discord can't stop idiots from sharing their personal info with strangers. Also, deleting messages is not only pointless (every terminally online discord user has a message logger, and you only need a few of them in a server to archive most of the messages), and often deleting has the opposite effect from intended (the moment you delete something, I'm interested as to why)
@@nezu_cc that doesn't mean it won't protect people from not terminally online users? that's like saying a bike helmet doesn't help if you get hit by a semi so no one should wear bike helmets
@zxqhyr okay maybe not like that, but they just don't seem to care about moderation, similar to roblox ima edit it to "roblox" cause it ain't a "social media"
I once spent a full week deleting 84K messages because my ex turned out to be a predator. There should be an easier way to deal with this. I should not be in fear of my life, as well as the other victims, because Discord doesn't allow me to get rid of messages for the sake of the "continuity". This some bullshit! Deleting your account should delete your messages. It's not just a discord issue but on other sites and apps as well.
I feel like there should be a law that requires companies to expose a seperate button cluster in their UI that allows synchronous deleting of your data, no 14 day wait period, no "when we get around to it", it should be able to insta-delete your account, all your messages, and your media as fast as the server API allows. I don't care if it causes outages, fail-safe is better than reliably dangerous.
@@supercellex4D Well at least remove it from view as quickly as possible. Actually deleting the data from the servers can take a bit for multiple reasons, for one some places have laws requiring data be kept for so long after deletion, 2nd deleting a lot of data at once can put a very high load on the database & storage servers, 3rd even once your data is deleted from the live servers, most all services are always making backups & it could be a while till all those backups are cleared. What most of these companies do is when you delete something it's just putting a flag on it in the database that it's been deleted so it doesn't show for other users, then over time whenever they both legally & physically can, the data is removed.
I think that if someone in the EU sues Discord about this privacy thing, they will quickly run out of nonsense (as they say in my country). Discord is becoming more and more annoying to report or request data when it is a right, and more so in this era when they want to make Discord for all ages and sell themselves as a "safe" platform for minors when it is just another of the bunch that thinks in numbers .
They've already implemented an auto reply to any discord privacy tickets saying "these requests don't belong here", then they just redirect you to the general support prompt which just get ignored. What an absolute joke.
Was it something along the lines of "Hello, Thanks for reaching out. This channel is reserved for individuals who need clarification about our privacy policies or practices, beyond what it is available in our online resources. All other inquiries should be submitted via our online form, here." Absolutely bullshit. I hope this company gets punished for violating GDPR
as a teenager, discord's 'teens should protect each other' is kinda ironic. Considering puberty and the need to make fun of others (which theres a lot of those), they will not protect it. They all would rather send your personal info (you sent to a person you trust but had a fight and they sent it to a bunch of other teenagers) to a server they own. You can honestly report it but with discord's issue with sorting reports, i doubt anything would happen lmao
Someone I knew who I also trusted just turned and blocked me, now me being in fear of my messages being revealed contacted discord. Guess what they said. "We suggest you do not send any personal information or any information you do not want misused to anyone on Discord." as if I didn't believe we were friends. Seriously, discord, what the hell?
lol thats awful, especially if they were someone you knew irl or for years, like... sometimes you just casually bring up stuff like that to people who were your friends at that time
The best way to encourage Discord to delete your messages is by coming together as a community and urging lawmakers to implement privacy protection legislation. Its absurd that we have to delve into coding to tackle privacy issues while companies disregard our requests for assistance. We should hold them responsible for these problems. Lets redirect that energy of cancel culture into something meaningful for a change.
Should be added alone that some people especially those who have had Discord longer may have said stuff that was unsavoury when they were younger or posted revealing information that could risk them in future.
bro I hate when I get harrassed on servers, and then banned so I become a laughing stock and I cant do anything about it. hear me out, if you get banned, your messages should get auto deleted.
Discord mods get an option to delete messages (up to 7 days before) while banning a user so it's not like discord has any problems with doing it. Really really should be a feature
As a person who studies law, if they do not delete the data as requested, they are violating the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Under GDPR, individuals have the right to access, obtain, modify, and delete their personal data. Failure to comply with these rights can result in legal consequences and penalties for non-compliance.
If I recall correctly, Reddit has a similar problem where your messages aren’t deleted when your account is shut down. It’s quite interesting to see how often social media websites refuse to let you delete your comments when you want to protect yourself.
I am on a lot of RP servers, so not deleting messages is pretty good for finding old messages from deleted posts... but, Tupperbox exists. Whos messages aren't deleted when you leave and seems to be on every discord RP server. But that's like the one good thing about not deleting messages I can think of and it shoulden't be used as an excuse to compromise safety online.
I got suspended for this, made 60 tickets with "i want a human reaponse" and got nothing (from a message i said 6 years ago) dude you can literally get banned for calling someone stupid
The most dangerous is when they ask you "how much is a dozen?", or any other question the answer to which is a non-negative number less than 13, NEVER SAY THE NUMBER ALONE, because then they can easily edit it to "how old are you?", report your message and IT WILL PROVABLY WORK AND BAN YOU!
really bad guy: *_does certain stuff.. with underage people_* discord: i slep literally some random ass guy: *_calls someone stupid_* discord: REAL SHIT?! *_ban sfx x69420_*
GDPR only applies to PII that they collect, GDPRs data request isn't a right it's a request. If they believe they need the data (for a necessary length of time), they can keep it. Discord messages do not always fall under GDPR. This is important because this usually translates to: if discord looks through all your messages, they can find the 1 message that falls outside of GDPR and deny your request - other companies have done this - Instead of refusing that part, they refuse the entire request.
There's many bots in this comment section. I think we should also have a moment of silence for the humans that have been turned into bots, whether by themselves or an external entity.
This is both good and bad, good in keeping our privacy and making sure that someone bad doesn't use info against you (unless they already screenshoted) and bad if a predator or someone who did something horrible deletes their account and deletes all their messages. If someone didn't take screenshots then it's like they were never groomed or harassed and no information about the predator from other servers or wherever in discord
This is a brillian Video and i love the Topic and Safty issiues. The show us that something needs to be done but i find it very sick that Discords Support is not Adding this feature. I mean they could keep it in there Logs as an deleted Message for Police etc. but give the Users the Possibility to delete there Messages on an Server that they got no change of deleting it them self. Even the online forum from the discord support is not doing anything to help you. I also love how discord is ignoring the DSGVO Law in Europe and think its a joke to just ignore it. I hope that the Goverment is starting to seak these Companies out. ...but that will propably nerver happen.
There should be a "Reset Account" button that deletes every trace of your account and lets you choose a new username, display name, etc, to let you start completely over, from a blank slate.
My only issue with mass deleting messages, is that it can also be used the other way around. Offenders can delete all their messages as a panic button, and leave the victim with no evidence.
Thats what I mean. I get the concern but this is something that, as helpful as it is to stop harassment, is also helpful in allowing the harassers to wipe all traces of their activity from existence and get away with it.
Mr. NTTS I’m first comment! I have been through the brain-rotting, ball-scraping process of deleting EVERY message I’ve ever sent. It took me about four days. This feature would have been LIFE CHANGING.
this is something we need for every TOS of every platform. Just keeping the info accessible to people who need it. Maybe create lists of things to watch out for in a service's TOS what might lead to conflicts (because they will, that's why they're there andif it crosses a moral line, businesses need to be held accountable, but that only works if people have acceess to that info without wasting hundreds of hours by themselves. United we stand, but alone we fall)
I lowkey wish that I knew this like 4-5 years ago when I left my groomer. I am happy tho that now minors DO have this resource now, I can sleep better at night now.
This is exactly what I was doing when on one game hosting service I got ignored for 3 months to delete my account until i bringed GDPR to the text and boom next time i see my account got actually deleted, GDPR is a life savior
Even though this video highlights a very important topic of protecting children or harassment victims, it's also a double-edged sword. The reason for this, is that a predator or other sort of criminals, will be able to delete all their messages; as in removing all the evidence that could be used against them.
discord generally keeps every message that is "deleted" so that they can save your data for their personal use. however i'm not sure whether the gdpr actually forces them to delete them permanently, though apparently since sometimes they don't even do it all, they might just lie to you and say they've been permanently deleted when actually it's just that the messages can't be seen through the API.
@@gairisiuil they have to delete the data, if there is no lawful other reason to store them. and if they just hide it, that could mean a big lawsuit from a Datenschutzbeauftragten/... in a European country, with high cost
If you want a quicker method, you can message discord that you are under the age of 18, even if you aren't, they LEGALLY have to delete all your messages due to COPPA (At least if you live in the US)
I think the number is 13, not 18... but then you'd have to pretend to be your parent/guardian or some shit, I don't think they're allowed to communicate even from there with somebody who claims to be underage.
WhatsApp's end to end encryption is laughable besides the fact it's been infected by Meta. Signal is way better. Signal also have a proven track record of storing very little identifiable info and the best the glowies get is is a registration time and last connection time.
also if a kid gets reported for underage and their account gets banned, and they have photos of themselves out there now they have no way to delete it all! because it just stays there forever! and now everyone can still see it and bad people can do whatever they want with them! chances are if it’s a kid they are not going to understand the process to delete all their messages and if you’re banned and can’t appeal you need to make a new account this means you won’t be able to do the request data thing anyways. The way i know it stays is because i was an underage kid on discord that got their account banned and i share a server with that account on my alt and EVERYTHING is still there and there is no way you can get rid of it all, it would be the same for dms too and every other server.
I've been looking for a potential solution to this due to my ex constantly sending people to harass me. Having this option will help, even if the harassment doesn't fully stop. Thank you, NTTS.
People are saying "oh you censored it yourself" Yeah cause if you don't TH-cam's comment moderation bot will block the comment from being sent. Smart people in this persons replies i swear.
I think its a good feature but it ultimately wont protect you from anything. Anyone who had malicious intentions towards you will have already screenshotted or saved whatever images you sent. Protecting yourself is first and foremost your own responsibility. Dont send compromising images of yourself to people you dont know, dont share account information, dont share locations. You should assume everyone you meet has ill intentions until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are fine. And if you're underage you shouldn't even be on discord honestly but that wont stop anyone.
Recently, I ended up a friendship in which the person were problematic and w little bit toxic and I had shown photos of myself, videos and etc. and I needed to delete these messages for my own protection, but unfortunately discord does not have this option :((
You should try to do what NTTS did in the video with asking Discord to comply with GDHR laws. It will be a struggle to get them to care, but you have to be persistent.
I mean on the topic of bad actors can abuse this. Discord can just hide and archive all messages when you request deletion, that way they can't be viewed except if gov authorities request. Should still get perma wiped after a year or so tho imo.
Well they need something to share with Tencent dont they? 5:14 They realize you can delete all messesages manually so they can technical disappear in bulk because there is no cooldoown or smth? it is indeed bs
There is a cooldown/rate limit that kicks in after 500 manual message deletions. After that, you're stuck until it allows you to delete more, but it'll keep you limited severely. We're talking like, maybe a hundred every five minutes if you're lucky.
I was cyberstalked for an entire year after deleting my discord account thinking that my messages would be deleted. Even to this day, I'm scared knowing that personal information I shared when I was 13 is still out here
11:09 i love threatening big companies with eu law, the amazing thing is that you can use that to youre advantage on a lot of things. like on tiktok where the support team doesnt care about a comment telling someone to do something bad to themselves untill you threaten tik tok with the european law. love it
Idea: Have all private info blocked when you delete your account so you don’t have to delete all your messages. Does not solve all the problems, but at least it helps.
And how do you think Discord can understand what part of each of your messages is "private info"? That's where the problem lies, in the message *content* !
me when i have to quite literally threaten massive legal action to convince the poor employee to delete one minor spelling mistake from my history (along with actually important stuff like my home address in public)
It was annoying to me as well. I remember when I created my own server, I used channels to exchange private messages (one channel per person). And used a moderator bot along with my scripts to delete all messages in that channel when needed. When someone needed to message me in private, I would invite them to the server, create an exclusive channel, and shared the command with them to delete the chat history (so either of us could delete all messages when needed). This is no longer necessary, as Telegram provides this functionality and more.
@@lussor1 Well yeah, advertising especially. And people forget, its not deletable for other reasons, such as investigations, thankfully. Some privacy is good but there's a reason why its not gone.
Except Discord is infamous for being unable to report a message with channel and message ID, even before it's deleted, if it gets deleted afterwards...
Images and video files will get corrupted over time (unless if it was in a small file). Unless if someone had managed to fix the corruption. But I ultimately believe that the only reason why discord is being allowed this is because of the governments (mainly in the US) had not bothered stopping them. At this point if you want it to be "permanently fixed", you would be better off contacting your local representative and pester them long enough for them to take action.
Why is Discord even a thing still? it's obviously really dangerous since the majority of it's users are teenagers, the only reason I still have my account is that everyone just seems to have it and only ever wants to talk on it
The law REQUIRES them to allow deletion of personal data, not the other way around. It's purely them not wanting to, probably because they don't wanna lose the opportunity to sell massive amount of user messages to AI companies for big money
although i genuinely believe this should be added, couldn't bulk deletion potentially be exploited by harmful people to rid proof of harmful/criminal actions? screenshots, screen recordings and archiving can sure deal with that i suppose, but not if someone's quick enough to cover up their tracks before they're caught sharing/in possession of illegal content or committing harassment, specially if their victim is young and not fast enough to gather proof (or, alternatively, they were surrounded by a community that got caught and saved their skin before they could be tracked) deleting all ur messages and anonymizing your account can be an effective way of covering things and escaping punishment, so i wonder how that could be managed (since having bulk deletion under review would equal to absolutely fuck1ng nothing)
Just to take the other side for a second, why is it discord’s job to fix a problem you created? Discord and literally every other online site that has the capability of sending messages to others ALWAYS tell you to NEVER send your personal information over them. It’s internet safety 101. Those things you want deleted should never have been sent to begin with. Just because you trust the person you’re messaging doesn’t mean you shouldn’t listen to discord when they say not to do it. It’s like a teacher telling you not to run in the halls at school, you decide to do it anyway, then you hit your head against a wall and complain to the teacher that they need to put giant foam pads against the walls so it won’t happen again. The person who is best at protecting your privacy is yourself. If you yourself wave away that privacy, that’s on you.
Because nobody wants to stop and think of the consequences of their actions before they do them. Its always "do now, worry later". Somehow we've forgotten the significance of the things we put online potentially being there forever. I don't think this means Discord should do nothing at all, but if people don't stop sending personal details online, anything Discord does won't matter because the abusers will just save the incriminating info some other way.
im glad they don't delete the messages, they have come in handy for a couple times when some psycho that sent me some crazy stuff deleted their account.
7:37 "doesn't matter where you live" discord technically only has to delete the messages if the account is used by someone in eu or usa or another country that has both good laws and many discord users.
Bro that actually hits so hard....that day I was in a rly big server +100k members....but then I felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave....also wanted my messages deleted....but since there is a command in most bots to delete all messages from a user...I begged the admins to delete them...but they said its against the rules of the server...even tho obviously that wasn't in the list of rules and just bullshit yett now I can force them to delete ....so thx mate XD
You've drawn unnecessary attention to yourself. You should've deleted them yourself with either the technically-against-the-ToS method, or the mentioned GDPR compliance one.
Hey programmer here, I don’t know how discords internal system are. I just know that it would be difficult to make a delete all messages system, giving the amount of POSTS and GET requests that would likely require to grab all the users messages and delete them. But also, scamming would be easier (including self promotion) as after the user has fallen for it, they can delete all messages.
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If you are also a privacy nerd, you might want to read more or contribute to the GitHub discussion here: github.com/victornpb/undiscord/discussions/429
Also for the Discord employee that is being forced to watch this, please just add a mass delete message feature or something...
hi first? Cool
hey that was a nice thing you said. I will contact my lawyer, do the deletion request and if they say they did it but didnt then i will sue hehehe
hah, funny joke, they'll prob add more useless nitro badges.
Though IMO if they add sth. like this, it should leave a place holder saying "a messages used to be here but now it's a ghost town" and maybe even be visible for server admins for like 3 days just to prevent people from spamming shit, then mass deleting their messaging and making moderation a hell.
hey ntts, undiscord does not work.
GDPR is also the law that requires companies to separate the "I have read the terms" and "I want to receive marketing newsletter" with the latter having to be optional and opt-in. (Regardless of what the company may say, consent is mandatory.)
ohhh that's why that checkbox is never ticked by default when i'm using an eu vpn lol
but unfortunately it's also the one that requires websites to have those annoying cookie banners...
@@_tr11 better than the websites just selling all your data to google without having a choice
@@_tr11 which allows you to click deny, so it's not all bad
@@_tr11 there's a plugin that automatically fills them, consent-o-matic
The fact that discord lately been suspending anyone's account who has been reported without even letting the suspect take action is wild
lost my account to that :D im freeeeee
Reported lol
wtf? for real? why and how?
Friend if mine got suspended from discord twice and is now getting doxxed cz they didn't even listen a single time when writing to support with them
…I can’t believe I just saw a Discord sanction message that says “Teenagers need to be responsible for what they say”, it’s like being at High School announcement about how to deal with bullying and how it’s not their job to help the victims.
congrats a bot stole your comment and got hearted
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this message was right under the bot one for me lol
all while punishing victims for doing anything about it themselves
@@Diddz "But sir, it was self defense!"
"Now now, in society, we take the high road, if there was an issue, you should report and turn the other check"
**Makes the slow straggle gesture meme**
THIS is something I've been asking for YEARS. Back when I was 13, I sent a compromizing image to a real life "friend" because I was pressured into doing so. I deleted my Discord account expecting everything I wrote and posted to be deleted and scraped off their database/CDN... But, to my surprise, it wasn't. My "friend" still had the link to that compromised image (this was years before links expired) and there was quite literally nothing I could do to delete that image. I lived in fucking torment for a few years because he, along with other people, would constantly threaten me with sending the link to that image to other people in my IRL circles. It was hell on earth. I tried everything from Support to asking around and nobody could help me with removing that image as "Deleted Users can't have any more data removed from them".
It's completely fucking unacceptable that Discord gets away with just "anonimizing" messages. Actual bullshit. My condoleances to anybody who has ever been affected by this. My sincerest middle finger to discord.
i'm sorry to hear that. toxic "friends" are the shittiest thing you can ever wish for.
just say the account was shared and you didnt send the image 🤦♂
Don't get fooled by links expiring, they don't help your privacy at all, you can refresh any expired link easily by pasting the link into any discord chat (such as an empty group)
agreed.
Another reason why discord should be banned worldwide and investigated for cp.
Large companies try not to leave you private data exposed (IMPOSSIBLE EDITION)
who has the better moderation (roblox vs discord impossible version)
@@tienthyule At least Roblox tries... Kinda...
@@xDynomite219 i cant rlly say roblox does better 😭 the community cant last like 2 or 3 weeks without a pedophile being exposed and roblox doing nothing about it
Discord does not use E2E encryption, everything is saved in plain text like in a notepad
@@tienthyule That's less of a Roblox problem and more of people just being terrible
discord actually USED to have this feature, but sadly got removed. it was called "asking someone to ban you, and delete all messages". now the max is a week
Totally unrelated. If some mod could ban you and remove EVERYTHING you ever said in the server, that would be unreasonable. It should be on YOU to remove what you want to, not on others to censor you.
@@erikkonstas if the person said stupid things over 7 days that arent at first worthy of being deleted, but eventually you get sick of them and want them gone, it is perfectly reasonable.
any yes it is very related to the video, since both are about methods to get all you messages deleted
@@Mutrax4706 The video described the obvious trick where they attract their prey to the server, and once they have enough info ban them (without deleting messages) before they can even blink, let alone think about how they're going to protect such info. It's the victim who should have control in this case as well.
True.
@@erikkonstas Mods should have the right to delete your comments and any content.
judging by the thumbnail, i think we REALLY need a button like that.
also a video to be recommended after 30 seconds of it being published, wow.
UPDATE: i tried it and discord replied with some random ahh shi, didn't delete a single message 💀
another update: guys it actually worked
well if youre subbed, i think that helps
I think the lack of such a button being present should be grounds for EU countries to suspend Discord's operations until such a feature is added.
@@ZeldagigafanMatthew Except Discord is too massively used to just "suspend" like that, there would be quite the significant uproar from every single EU country... well, unless everyone figures out how to change their DNS.
Even TH-cam has the option to wipe out your entire history on TH-cam so Discord needs to learn from them especially with how bad they are at keeping problem servers and users out of Discord
@@erikkonstas Happened to Twitter in Brazil.
I contacted you about bulk deletion about a year ago and you were very kind to respond to my dm.
I appreciate that you make this video because as you said; young teens get groomed on Discord a lot, and it's hard to move on when you know all your chat history is still out there for weirdos to see and share or whatever they do with it.
"Your safety is not our problem"
“But we’ll pretend it is in front of regulators”
Because it isn't. Discord can't stop idiots from sharing their personal info with strangers. Also, deleting messages is not only pointless (every terminally online discord user has a message logger, and you only need a few of them in a server to archive most of the messages), and often deleting has the opposite effect from intended (the moment you delete something, I'm interested as to why)
@@nezu_cc"X is pointless because people Y anyway"
and laws are pointless because people break them, right
@@nezu_cc Okay so you're just pro-grooming and want predators to be allowed to harbour info on children. Cool and normal (somehow)!
@@nezu_cc that doesn't mean it won't protect people from not terminally online users? that's like saying a bike helmet doesn't help if you get hit by a semi so no one should wear bike helmets
The biggest Discord privacy flaw is that they exist as a company like average roblox moderation
@zxqhyr okay maybe not like that, but they just don't seem to care about moderation, similar to roblox
ima edit it to "roblox" cause it ain't a "social media"
roblox : 30 tickets, I want a human response, 5 hours worth of captchas
discord: why do we even have a support site?
discord and roblox have one massive thing in common, they're both breeding grounds for pedophilia
@@Ten3br0us You're actually able to contact managers now.
@@tienthyule at least Roblox does something lmao I've worked with their mod teams before
I once spent a full week deleting 84K messages because my ex turned out to be a predator. There should be an easier way to deal with this. I should not be in fear of my life, as well as the other victims, because Discord doesn't allow me to get rid of messages for the sake of the "continuity". This some bullshit! Deleting your account should delete your messages. It's not just a discord issue but on other sites and apps as well.
I really feel sorry for you man
There's a community extension for chromium you can use. Would probably take a day or two because of the action limit, but it'll work.
I feel like there should be a law that requires companies to expose a seperate button cluster in their UI that allows synchronous deleting of your data, no 14 day wait period, no "when we get around to it", it should be able to insta-delete your account, all your messages, and your media as fast as the server API allows. I don't care if it causes outages, fail-safe is better than reliably dangerous.
DISCORD JUST FIX YOUR APP ALREADY
@@supercellex4D Well at least remove it from view as quickly as possible. Actually deleting the data from the servers can take a bit for multiple reasons, for one some places have laws requiring data be kept for so long after deletion, 2nd deleting a lot of data at once can put a very high load on the database & storage servers, 3rd even once your data is deleted from the live servers, most all services are always making backups & it could be a while till all those backups are cleared. What most of these companies do is when you delete something it's just putting a flag on it in the database that it's been deleted so it doesn't show for other users, then over time whenever they both legally & physically can, the data is removed.
I think that if someone in the EU sues Discord about this privacy thing, they will quickly run out of nonsense (as they say in my country). Discord is becoming more and more annoying to report or request data when it is a right, and more so in this era when they want to make Discord for all ages and sell themselves as a "safe" platform for minors when it is just another of the bunch that thinks in numbers .
They've already implemented an auto reply to any discord privacy tickets saying "these requests don't belong here", then they just redirect you to the general support prompt which just get ignored. What an absolute joke.
i desperately hope someone sues them for this
Was it something along the lines of
"Hello, Thanks for reaching out. This channel is reserved for individuals who need clarification about our privacy policies or practices, beyond what it is available in our online resources. All other inquiries should be submitted via our online form, here."
Absolutely bullshit. I hope this company gets punished for violating GDPR
@@Imperialzs exactly that yes
One positive of this getting popular is that Discord will end up creating this feature (hopefully) to avoid having to deal with it with their teams.
it seems like recently they've been just flat out ignoring emails regarding this so sadly probably not
8:11 "Your the top model of the mouth !!!!" is crazy
"You can't use feet photos to pay your taxes"
This all smells like class-action lawsuit
Imagine deactivating an account then forgot all the bs messages you send in there...
I swear, EU saved:
TH-cam ad's
Apple's chargers
Discord's safety
Windows being shit
Probably more, got too lazy to write more xD
what's about yt? just curious
@@ritabuba4831 the adblock ban is illegal
🔥
EU sigma 🗿
windows is still shit tho
as a teenager, discord's 'teens should protect each other' is kinda ironic. Considering puberty and the need to make fun of others (which theres a lot of those), they will not protect it. They all would rather send your personal info (you sent to a person you trust but had a fight and they sent it to a bunch of other teenagers) to a server they own. You can honestly report it but with discord's issue with sorting reports, i doubt anything would happen lmao
Plus teenagers are dumb they will do anything that makes them regret when theyre on their 20s
Someone I knew who I also trusted just turned and blocked me, now me being in fear of my messages being revealed contacted discord. Guess what they said.
"We suggest you do not send any personal information or any information you do not want misused to anyone on Discord." as if I didn't believe we were friends. Seriously, discord, what the hell?
Discord, just add a delete all messages button so *THIS* doesn't happen
lol thats awful, especially if they were someone you knew irl or for years, like... sometimes you just casually bring up stuff like that to people who were your friends at that time
The response you provided didn't say anything about whether you think they are a friend. It said don't send things you don't want being misused
Discord is right. Don’t send things to people that u don’t want turned against u
@@PilkDrinker-ip5dp Except society didn't progress because nobody trusted anybody.
2:31 "now ladies with gentle hands" 💀
Oh I see it now
anita max wynn (i need to max win) 😭😭😭😭
Ohhhh myy gaaahhh @@kentoscocos5238
"œ" 💀
I didn't even notice 🤣🤣🤣
8:12 “You can’t use feet pics to pay for taxes” is crazy 💀
Bro was trying to seduce the tax collectors ☠️
NTTS singlehandedly making Pisscord usable against their own wishes has got to be some of my favorite content
The best way to encourage Discord to delete your messages is by coming together as a community and urging lawmakers to implement privacy protection legislation. Its absurd that we have to delve into coding to tackle privacy issues while companies disregard our requests for assistance. We should hold them responsible for these problems. Lets redirect that energy of cancel culture into something meaningful for a change.
Should be added alone that some people especially those who have had Discord longer may have said stuff that was unsavoury when they were younger or posted revealing information that could risk them in future.
bro I hate when I get harrassed on servers, and then banned so I become a laughing stock and I cant do anything about it. hear me out, if you get banned, your messages should get auto deleted.
And choose to save everything from you
Exactly!
Discord mods get an option to delete messages (up to 7 days before) while banning a user so it's not like discord has any problems with doing it. Really really should be a feature
@@piesuu2386 the max used to be *every* message. they nerfed that.
Discord: Okay, we gotchu, we understand the issue
Also Discord: Makes "delete messages" option when banning someone a nitro-only feature
8:11 what was bro watching 😭😭
Dude was the top model 😭😭
Is he watching? "You're our top model" what if hes a creator *music of suspense* sorry i cant make it any more dramatic than that
😭🙏
As a person who studies law, if they do not delete the data as requested, they are violating the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). Under GDPR, individuals have the right to access, obtain, modify, and delete their personal data. Failure to comply with these rights can result in legal consequences and penalties for non-compliance.
Remember to drink water guys!
I will
thanks i just did
I am literally dry spongebob
On my lunch break right now, and I just refilled my bottle. Three 32-ounce bottles down, three more to go today! 💪
is piss water?
If I recall correctly, Reddit has a similar problem where your messages aren’t deleted when your account is shut down. It’s quite interesting to see how often social media websites refuse to let you delete your comments when you want to protect yourself.
Actually, your Reddit DMs (not group chats I think) are! Or at least they are made inaccessible. What is not deleted is posts and comments.
the 'ladies and gentlemen' replacements just keep getting better
I am on a lot of RP servers, so not deleting messages is pretty good for finding old messages from deleted posts... but, Tupperbox exists. Whos messages aren't deleted when you leave and seems to be on every discord RP server.
But that's like the one good thing about not deleting messages I can think of and it shoulden't be used as an excuse to compromise safety online.
I got suspended for this, made 60 tickets with "i want a human reaponse" and got nothing (from a message i said 6 years ago)
dude you can literally get banned for calling someone stupid
its insane how discord will ban someone from the most insignificant things, yet ignore the people that DESERVES to be banned???
@@QuiVierge they shouldn't even have a support department if it does nothing but misappropriation of company funds
The most dangerous is when they ask you "how much is a dozen?", or any other question the answer to which is a non-negative number less than 13, NEVER SAY THE NUMBER ALONE, because then they can easily edit it to "how old are you?", report your message and IT WILL PROVABLY WORK AND BAN YOU!
really bad guy: *_does certain stuff.. with underage people_*
discord: i slep
literally some random ass guy: *_calls someone stupid_*
discord: REAL SHIT?! *_ban sfx x69420_*
@@Ten3br0usThey do but only operate on a skeleton crew
GDPR only applies to PII that they collect, GDPRs data request isn't a right it's a request. If they believe they need the data (for a necessary length of time), they can keep it. Discord messages do not always fall under GDPR. This is important because this usually translates to: if discord looks through all your messages, they can find the 1 message that falls outside of GDPR and deny your request - other companies have done this - Instead of refusing that part, they refuse the entire request.
There's many bots in this comment section. I think we should also have a moment of silence for the humans that have been turned into bots, whether by themselves or an external entity.
This is both good and bad, good in keeping our privacy and making sure that someone bad doesn't use info against you (unless they already screenshoted) and bad if a predator or someone who did something horrible deletes their account and deletes all their messages. If someone didn't take screenshots then it's like they were never groomed or harassed and no information about the predator from other servers or wherever in discord
if we had a "delete all" button, bots which track deleted messages would just track them all
This is a brillian Video and i love the Topic and Safty issiues. The show us that something needs to be done but i find it very sick that Discords Support is not Adding this feature.
I mean they could keep it in there Logs as an deleted Message for Police etc. but give the Users the Possibility to delete there Messages on an Server that they got no change of deleting it them self. Even the online forum from the discord support is not doing anything to help you.
I also love how discord is ignoring the DSGVO Law in Europe and think its a joke to just ignore it. I hope that the Goverment is starting to seak these Companies out. ...but that will propably nerver happen.
''egirls and femboys'' bro knows his core audience way to well
Femboys aren't real and egirls are a social construct
(prove me wrong)
Me :3
Me :3
me :3c
Not me 🗣🔥
As somebody who has been groomed on Discord, I don't know how the hell this isn't a feature or a part of deleting your account
i can tell you were groomed
I like grooming (I'm a barber)
8:12 *"TOP MODEL OF THE MONTH??"*
excuse me WHAAAT 💀💀💀
9:01 *Fartnight Feet?*
nuh im done bro ois really down bad lmfao
top model is crazy
"You cant use feet photos to pay for taxes"
Lmao I immediately went to comments when I saw it
I thought I was the only one who noticed💀💀💀
Ois needs to chil fr
There should be a "Reset Account" button that deletes every trace of your account and lets you choose a new username, display name, etc, to let you start completely over, from a blank slate.
Soooo telegram will let you delete entire conversations, but discord needs to be threatened to let you delete your messages in bulk? Classic discord L
My only issue with mass deleting messages, is that it can also be used the other way around. Offenders can delete all their messages as a panic button, and leave the victim with no evidence.
Well.. considering MOST of our predatory exposes of youtubers have relied MAINLY on discord logs.... this is a seriously mixed bag...
Thats what I mean. I get the concern but this is something that, as helpful as it is to stop harassment, is also helpful in allowing the harassers to wipe all traces of their activity from existence and get away with it.
Mr. NTTS I’m first comment! I have been through the brain-rotting, ball-scraping process of deleting EVERY message I’ve ever sent. It took me about four days. This feature would have been LIFE CHANGING.
if only there was a law that allows you to delete your past, oh wait "Right to be forgotten" is a thing
this is something we need for every TOS of every platform. Just keeping the info accessible to people who need it. Maybe create lists of things to watch out for in a service's TOS what might lead to conflicts (because they will, that's why they're there andif it crosses a moral line, businesses need to be held accountable, but that only works if people have acceess to that info without wasting hundreds of hours by themselves. United we stand, but alone we fall)
I lowkey wish that I knew this like 4-5 years ago when I left my groomer.
I am happy tho that now minors DO have this resource now, I can sleep better at night now.
This is exactly what I was doing when on one game hosting service I got ignored for 3 months to delete my account until i bringed GDPR to the text and boom next time i see my account got actually deleted, GDPR is a life savior
Even though this video highlights a very important topic of protecting children or harassment victims, it's also a double-edged sword. The reason for this, is that a predator or other sort of criminals, will be able to delete all their messages; as in removing all the evidence that could be used against them.
But the method requires you to request your data from discord, aren't they gonna check it out and ban them?
@@Aiden-iy9du nah discord gives 0 shits
@@Aiden-iy9duhow when the data is deleted? if it is reported before, then yes, you can store it, but not without that
discord generally keeps every message that is "deleted" so that they can save your data for their personal use. however i'm not sure whether the gdpr actually forces them to delete them permanently, though apparently since sometimes they don't even do it all, they might just lie to you and say they've been permanently deleted when actually it's just that the messages can't be seen through the API.
@@gairisiuil they have to delete the data, if there is no lawful other reason to store them.
and if they just hide it, that could mean a big lawsuit from a Datenschutzbeauftragten/... in a European country, with high cost
8:12 omg!!! Your top model!!! Congratulations! (This is all very questionable)
If you want a quicker method, you can message discord that you are under the age of 18, even if you aren't, they LEGALLY have to delete all your messages due to COPPA (At least if you live in the US)
US consumer protection along with COPPA is a joke, they will simply delete your account
I think the number is 13, not 18... but then you'd have to pretend to be your parent/guardian or some shit, I don't think they're allowed to communicate even from there with somebody who claims to be underage.
My messages were deleted today. Thank you! :)
WhatsApp finna gonna be the replacement for discord 💀
WhatsApp is arguably worse when it comes to privacy
WhatsApp's end to end encryption is laughable besides the fact it's been infected by Meta. Signal is way better. Signal also have a proven track record of storing very little identifiable info and the best the glowies get is is a registration time and last connection time.
God no
Why?@@goldenage8902
also if a kid gets reported for underage and their account gets banned, and they have photos of themselves out there now they have no way to delete it all! because it just stays there forever! and now everyone can still see it and bad people can do whatever they want with them! chances are if it’s a kid they are not going to understand the process to delete all their messages and if you’re banned and can’t appeal you need to make a new account this means you won’t be able to do the request data thing anyways. The way i know it stays is because i was an underage kid on discord that got their account banned and i share a server with that account on my alt and EVERYTHING is still there and there is no way you can get rid of it all, it would be the same for dms too and every other server.
So uh.... 8:36 ? 😭
i dont need to delete my messages but i always find your videos entertaining no matter the context
Another Day Another Discord Flaw...
Damn
**sigh**
and another discord flaw is a flawless ntts video about the discord flaw
I've been looking for a potential solution to this due to my ex constantly sending people to harass me. Having this option will help, even if the harassment doesn't fully stop. Thank you, NTTS.
true they should add that deleted all message button
u getting closer and closer to 1 MIl lets get him to 1 Mil by the end of the year :O that would make his year much better
3:36 it is so refreshing to hear someone say pdf file without censoring it in youtube
You just did...
you mean just like how you censored it yourself
Oh, the irony.
you mean a pedophile? smh
People are saying "oh you censored it yourself" Yeah cause if you don't TH-cam's comment moderation bot will block the comment from being sent. Smart people in this persons replies i swear.
I think its a good feature but it ultimately wont protect you from anything. Anyone who had malicious intentions towards you will have already screenshotted or saved whatever images you sent. Protecting yourself is first and foremost your own responsibility. Dont send compromising images of yourself to people you dont know, dont share account information, dont share locations. You should assume everyone you meet has ill intentions until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are fine. And if you're underage you shouldn't even be on discord honestly but that wont stop anyone.
Recently, I ended up a friendship in which the person were problematic and w little bit toxic and I had shown photos of myself, videos and etc. and I needed to delete these messages for my own protection, but unfortunately discord does not have this option :((
You should try to do what NTTS did in the video with asking Discord to comply with GDHR laws. It will be a struggle to get them to care, but you have to be persistent.
I mean on the topic of bad actors can abuse this. Discord can just hide and archive all messages when you request deletion, that way they can't be viewed except if gov authorities request. Should still get perma wiped after a year or so tho imo.
Well they need something to share with Tencent dont they? 5:14 They realize you can delete all messesages manually so they can technical disappear in bulk because there is no cooldoown or smth? it is indeed bs
There is a cooldown/rate limit that kicks in after 500 manual message deletions. After that, you're stuck until it allows you to delete more, but it'll keep you limited severely. We're talking like, maybe a hundred every five minutes if you're lucky.
@@amberhernandezNot even bots are exempt from that 2 deletions per second limit
I was cyberstalked for an entire year after deleting my discord account thinking that my messages would be deleted. Even to this day, I'm scared knowing that personal information I shared when I was 13 is still out here
Discord is just falling apart at this point.
did u even watch the vu
as long as there is no competition things wont change either, sad reality we live in
@@Lemmiiiiii there is guilded
@@ProximaCentauri55You really can't do anything cause Discord is more popular than guilded
@@ProximaCentauri55 I´m not really keen on being forced a roblox account upon xD dont really see it as an alternative as it is currently
11:09 i love threatening big companies with eu law, the amazing thing is that you can use that to youre advantage on a lot of things. like on tiktok where the support team doesnt care about a comment telling someone to do something bad to themselves untill you threaten tik tok with the european law. love it
Idea: Have all private info blocked when you delete your account so you don’t have to delete all your messages. Does not solve all the problems, but at least it helps.
And how do you think Discord can understand what part of each of your messages is "private info"? That's where the problem lies, in the message *content* !
me when i have to quite literally threaten massive legal action to convince the poor employee to delete one minor spelling mistake from my history (along with actually important stuff like my home address in public)
Yeah no lets move to Roblo- I mean Guilded.
It was annoying to me as well.
I remember when I created my own server, I used channels to exchange private messages (one channel per person).
And used a moderator bot along with my scripts to delete all messages in that channel when needed. When someone needed to message me in private, I would invite them to the server, create an exclusive channel, and shared the command with them to delete the chat history (so either of us could delete all messages when needed).
This is no longer necessary, as Telegram provides this functionality and more.
6:47 Most likely discord also keeps the messages in the databases and only hides the messages from the discord interface.
Makes sense, especially with law enforcement requests.
This was always like that
@@CoreDreamStudiosthat data is big juice
@@lussor1 Well yeah, advertising especially. And people forget, its not deletable for other reasons, such as investigations, thankfully. Some privacy is good but there's a reason why its not gone.
Except Discord is infamous for being unable to report a message with channel and message ID, even before it's deleted, if it gets deleted afterwards...
Images and video files will get corrupted over time (unless if it was in a small file). Unless if someone had managed to fix the corruption. But I ultimately believe that the only reason why discord is being allowed this is because of the governments (mainly in the US) had not bothered stopping them. At this point if you want it to be "permanently fixed", you would be better off contacting your local representative and pester them long enough for them to take action.
"Images and video files will get corrupted over time"??? We're not talking about negatives stored directly under the sun here...
The corruption is fixed, because all the stored data has redundancy and error checking.
Discord is just going crazy every seconds-
It's insane that there is no feature like that, also was annoyed by that multiple times....
Why is Discord even a thing still? it's obviously really dangerous since the majority of it's users are teenagers, the only reason I still have my account is that everyone just seems to have it and only ever wants to talk on it
NTTS plays tarkov? ( 0:56 ). Well that would explain the frustration and why some videos sound... a bit special 😂
shoutout to GDPR 🔥🔥🔥🔥
This feature seriously needs added. Also, it is not okay to make fun of people.
im convinced they cant do it either because of internal bullshit or because of government bullshit
Its money.
Deleting every message=less advertiser info
The law REQUIRES them to allow deletion of personal data, not the other way around. It's purely them not wanting to, probably because they don't wanna lose the opportunity to sell massive amount of user messages to AI companies for big money
although i genuinely believe this should be added, couldn't bulk deletion potentially be exploited by harmful people to rid proof of harmful/criminal actions? screenshots, screen recordings and archiving can sure deal with that i suppose, but not if someone's quick enough to cover up their tracks before they're caught sharing/in possession of illegal content or committing harassment, specially if their victim is young and not fast enough to gather proof (or, alternatively, they were surrounded by a community that got caught and saved their skin before they could be tracked)
deleting all ur messages and anonymizing your account can be an effective way of covering things and escaping punishment, so i wonder how that could be managed (since having bulk deletion under review would equal to absolutely fuck1ng nothing)
They'll make this a Nitro-Feature!
I know it!
f**k
I’m exciting to see your about to hit 1million followers 🎉🎉
Just to take the other side for a second, why is it discord’s job to fix a problem you created? Discord and literally every other online site that has the capability of sending messages to others ALWAYS tell you to NEVER send your personal information over them. It’s internet safety 101. Those things you want deleted should never have been sent to begin with. Just because you trust the person you’re messaging doesn’t mean you shouldn’t listen to discord when they say not to do it. It’s like a teacher telling you not to run in the halls at school, you decide to do it anyway, then you hit your head against a wall and complain to the teacher that they need to put giant foam pads against the walls so it won’t happen again. The person who is best at protecting your privacy is yourself. If you yourself wave away that privacy, that’s on you.
Because nobody wants to stop and think of the consequences of their actions before they do them. Its always "do now, worry later".
Somehow we've forgotten the significance of the things we put online potentially being there forever. I don't think this means Discord should do nothing at all, but if people don't stop sending personal details online, anything Discord does won't matter because the abusers will just save the incriminating info some other way.
im glad they don't delete the messages, they have come in handy for a couple times when some psycho that sent me some crazy stuff deleted their account.
7:37 "doesn't matter where you live" discord technically only has to delete the messages if the account is used by someone in eu or usa or another country that has both good laws and many discord users.
So Canada since PIPEDA exists eh?
Bro that actually hits so hard....that day I was in a rly big server +100k members....but then I felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave....also wanted my messages deleted....but since there is a command in most bots to delete all messages from a user...I begged the admins to delete them...but they said its against the rules of the server...even tho obviously that wasn't in the list of rules and just bullshit yett now I can force them to delete ....so thx mate XD
You've drawn unnecessary attention to yourself. You should've deleted them yourself with either the technically-against-the-ToS method, or the mentioned GDPR compliance one.
@@R1ch4rd lol bro ....im literally thanking him for the method cuz I didn't know it hahhaa
Uh, question. Doesn't this also allow criminals to destroy evidence?
cRimiNaLs
Another day and another video from my favorite Discord TH-camr
awesome, discord is dead bro
best youtuber ever ngl hope you hit 1m soon
5:07 MY EYES WHY WHITE MODE
because it's the only light youll see until you go outside
That's so cool. I was just thinking about this yesterday and how I might be able to threaten them with GPDR but I couldn't because I wasn't in the EU.
0:18 femboy mentioned
i smell you..
@@org_yt17 how do i smell like?
Like a femboy@@CreppyMC
@@mossley_ 👍
fr that caught me a lil off guard lmfao
Hey programmer here, I don’t know how discords internal system are. I just know that it would be difficult to make a delete all messages system, giving the amount of POSTS and GET requests that would likely require to grab all the users messages and delete them.
But also, scamming would be easier (including self promotion) as after the user has fallen for it, they can delete all messages.