The section on Agurin is great. This is exactly what confused Agurin and LS so much when Dantes started calling him "reactive" and calling himself "proactive"; people forget basic game theory and see Agurin just only doing high % stuff and refusing to burgerflip buffs/objectives.
I have this mental picture of a general in war who is slowly losing to another general, and his only opinion is "this guy isn't beating me he's just a reactive general, while I'm a proactive general."
People see the game like "black and white" most of the time. "Weak champ" or "OP champ", "bad item" vs "good item", "passive playstlye" vs "agressive playstyle"... but the game (just like almost everything in life) its more complex. Theres a lot fo variables that we'll have to consider and play around it.
Recently discovered a very interesting Valorant coach named Woohoojin, who does free full VOD reviews of viewers and pros on Twitch and uploads edited version to TH-cam. In many ways, he shares BBC values, such as process-oriented improvement, VOD review, and using drills as a way to work on individual game skills. He's achieved the highest rank in Valorant (Radiant) and used to play League very seriously, reaching challenger twice before switching his focus to Valorant. As he is very well-spoken and has a wealth of coaching and competitive gaming knowledge, I think he would be an awesome guest on the podcast. I think comparing notes on coaching as well as relating Valorant and League concepts could be super beneficial for both the BBC boys as well as the listeners.
Thanks for replying to my comment about doing your job in game, it's insightful to hear both of your opinions on what that means in contrast to what my view of the game was. I guess when I hear people use the term doing their job in league, I associated that with a very mediocre performance which makes me think most people are doing their job when playing. We are using the same phrase "doing your job" but meaning entirely different levels of play.
yes doing your job means not starting to 1v9 on eg. Ornn building carry items just because you're team sucks. doing your job exceptionally well is how you climb even with bad teammates because even a bad jinx will carry if you keep the enemy away from her.
Even when it comes to "doing your job" in comparison to your lane opponent, that will allow you to climb well into diamond. I first pick Ornn and then get counterpicked by a Darius, my job becomes to go even in lane and then help my team as we outscale in teamfights. On the other hand, that Darius got the opportunity to counterpick and picked a strong early champ so his job is to kill me on repeat and remove me from the game. Could a challenger Ornn in my position be killing darius on repeat? Yes, but as long as I consistently am doing "my job" then I will climb slowly. In some cases (especially scaling champions like Kayle or Ornn) you can be doing your job ub early by just going even but on the other hand going even as Talon would be failing to do your job.
Great podcast as always! Have been watching you for a month after Ive started taking LoL seriously and I like your discussions, especially seeing that you have different inputs depending on your backgrounds (both as person and Mid/Jungle roles)
I've always played a lot of different champs, but at the end of last split I noticed I wasn't enjoying what I was playing anymore and was lying to myself about it. So this split I decided to only play Evelynn (so far so good, have like 85% of my games on her). On top of that, I've only been playing a handful of games per session (2, 3 or 4 depending on how I'm feeling. Nothing to do with the process, mostly to do with understanding the concept behind it and being aware of how much focus I put into my last game) and was doing pretty well. Got to Emerald 2 with a 60% winrate, I think I played solid in most of my games so far, still felt I didn't plateau or was even close to. 2 days ago, I went on a 6 game loss streak that took me to Emerald 3 0 lp (doesn't sound that bad, but for someone that believed he wasn't at his deserved rank yet, it hit hard). I still felt I performed well in those games but got losers queue'd, because every game I was doing well and all my teammates kept taking bad fights like they were allergic to having color in their screen. Yesterday, I played 6 games in 2 blocks, went 5 wins 1 loss, but felt something was off. I felt like I wasn't as strong as I felt before, I felt my 2nd item took forever to be done and it clicked. I checked at what time I bought my Large Rods and then completed Deathcap. On those wins where I felt unstoppable mvp next Faker of the jungle, I was finishing it at 17-18 minutes. This last few days, I was finishing it at 22. No shot I've been losing that hard for 6 straight games, and no shot I felt weak during every game in my last block. I went into the games and took a loot at why I was taking so long, and I noticed how much I started to prioritize random fights rather than my camps. In my loss streak, those fights didn't work. In my wins, the fights did work, but I was just compensating the income from not rotating my camps, like I did in my 60% winrate climb up to Emerald 2. Boom, instantly found a huge mistake that was costing me the ability to carry games. And the first comment of the Mailbag wants to say that reviewing is bullshit? I understand where you are coming from, because at the surface it feels like that. But you can't stay in the surface, you have to dig into YOUR gameplay, not your teammates'. If YOU are ahead, you should have the tools to carry. If you aren't ahead, you should look for the tools to be ahead
@@ragegaze3482 TFblade's constant flaming, plus using bought accounts got the hotel they were in IP banned, people who are using riot accounts are fine
@@ragegaze3482 they made accounts with somebody else's Korean ID (lol accounts are tied to your ID and phone number). So the people who got riot accounts are fine but people who got accounts another way are fd.
I love you guys man. You really opened my eyes about the ranked system and I've been progressively getting less negative about league itself. I've accepted that I wqs bad and I'm starting to work on getting better instead of blaming champ design and teamates. I really enjoy tye fact that you guys are trying to fix the community one podcast at a time. Much love ❤.
Hi Coach Curtis and Coach Nathan. I've been turning my life around and your podcast has helpen immensely. I absolutely love the way you've built this up and will continue to support you. I was wondering if it was possible to add your external recommendations to the comments or biography in future videos with things like the documentaries you recommend, books, people etc. Thank you for your time
For 2 weeks? I mean it's obviously not healthy but dude works out a lot and he made it a point to push himself to the limit in Korea. I doubt this would make a dent.
Hey guys. Let me share my below gold experience. I started playing League at about last year october, and went to play ranked as soon as hitting lvl 30. Of course I struggled a lot, and I was still iron 3 at the beginning of february with like 30-40% winrate. Then I had a sudden realization, and changed my mindset because of this. Before that, I was always like "if only my top/jungler/bot did this/didnt do that..." My change of mindset was: I started expecting everyone else to feed/int/troll me. It's that simple. By this I started to concentrate on myself, how can I help my teammates (with roams for example), or how to get fed myself on the enemy shutdown gold. Now, when some fed the enemy, I was like: "just as expected". I didn't get mad, didn't flame my teammates after that, because I was expecting it to happen. All in all this helped making my mindset healthier, and because I focused on myself, not my teammates, I skyrocketed to silver in just 30 days with 75-80% winrate. I probably could've went further, but I havent played ranked since then, because I just wanted to prove a point by hitting silver, and just be average, not to play badly when I'm playing with my friends. In short, I think the biggest problem in below gold (probably above that too), is that people are too fixated on OTHER people's faults, and NOT their own.
I just want to point out something I realized this season. Curtis talked a lot about having a good champion pool and this can lead low elo players to spend a lot of time overthinking their pool which is a mistake in the sense that what we really need to focus is having good and consistent decision making. In reality a champion is just a "tool" for doing what we want in the rift, it's an extension of our thoughts of how we want to play the game. Even though this examples are from high elo players it just proves that anything can be done if we've the knowledge to do so. Last year a korean player reached rank 10 playing Volibear jungle, last week a guy reached rank 1 playing Rumble jungle and the are a lot examples like that in all servers. My point here is that a good league player can use any "tool"/champion to climb, because he has mastered the league fundamentals and that's what low elo players should be doing. I just think that some advanced thoughts that you both share in some episodes can be misunderstood by low elo players, like right now Nathan is looking for an AP champion for his pool but that's not something a low elo player should be concerned since he'll be able to climb just playing a normal AD champion.
Curtis with his like 18 inch arms "Shirts a little tight guys." lol. Also, the level 1 skirmish is about skill checking. It's 100% a "I am better than you" thing. KR does it too. It's the heavy focus on mechanics and outplaying people at the micro level. They don't really care about "X champ vs Y champ" or whatever. It's all "Either I'm better than you and I win this or I'm not." Also, as someone else said, kids in both CN and KR have limited game time and they want to get in as many games as possible. So it's basically a win hard and win fast or FF and go next meta.
So when I sent in the Asol mail I was beyond tilted. I think I was like 5-15 in my last 20 games. I have since spent a lot of time since writing that doing exactly what was suggested, particularly emohasizing W pathing and playing more aggressively with a crown set up instead of ROA or Liandrys. And in reviewing my deaths, no I'm not being an idiot looking for ways to blame my team, it's usually something stupid like trying to catch 1 more wave when I should have left, or teleporting to a fight without ult. My frustration comes from feeling like I'm making no progress after hundreds of games, still hard stuck bronze 2 even though i play consistently. my BIGGEST frustration is losing games with 1 or 2 critical deaths because i was carrying. I dont know what else to do and it wears down on me. I also didn't express, it's not the fact that my bronze teammates are performing poorly that's irritating me, that's going to be a given for the elo, what's truly tilting me is just my inability to hard carry 80-90% of games like I know is possible I just don't know how to execute and it drives me insane.
Too much expectation. Maybe change your champ for a little bit, so you can relax on your Asol journey. I'm not a great Asol player, but I'm emerald 3. Keep going. Also don't get too caught up on your ult uses. We all miss it lol
@rubentncopy it's just frustrating because I'm used to seeing immediate improvement through actionable intelligence in other things I do in life. For example, my other hobby aside from league is BJJ, and in that scenario, if I'm getting caught up in a bad position, I can review what I'm doing wrong and immediately improve on it the next round. Not seeing that improvement even though I put the work in drives me insane.
@rubentncopy it's also not so much the champ I'm having issues with as it is just bad decision making. I actually LOVE asol as a champion. Played quite a bit of the old version and was super excited to hear he was an actual champion when I came back to the game a few months ago. Absolutely love popping off with the W, if I could play him literally every single game I would but he gets banned a lot in my elo and I don't play him well when filled off of mid.
@@albertcohee7757 in those cases. Maybe looking at the Review and looking ways to free up your mental stack to take better decisions is a must. Looking over at your decision making or whatever thats holding You back in terms of improvement. You can send a Replay. And listen your decision making, but You should be able to overcome this obstacle dude. Is normal being frustrated at this game lol. Regarding to the suggested advice on leaving Aurelion Sol, the Angle I was looking to get across was to play something differently so you vent some of that frustration and come back to Asol with a fresh mindset. Most like resetting your mental, taking a nap out of Asol, maybe try Sylas or whatever feels You comfortable. If You are a hardcore student of the Game, or like to look profiles of great players there's an Asol in kr that goes by cxybaby or look for kr Aurelion Sol. There a gems of Replays to learn from out there. Good luck on your Journey.
you know it makes me sad how little people actually think about the game compared to you guys. Its a blessing and a curse being a person who wants more than the average person.
I was rewatching some Agurin 's vods and even though doing a full clear on Jarvan IV is uncommon it's not the right play every time. The last game he didn't gank bot lane and the enemy Tristana got a kill and from that she started to snowball, so even Agurin makes mistakes and the real answer is adaptation if he ganked the lane like all Jarvans he wouldn't lose that game.
I know in Korea the lvl 1 invade is a product of pc bongs and lack of time to get games in. I think it’s the same in China, but as well you have restrictions to your game time anyway as a child
Its so often in low elo (as a low elo player) i hear people talk like this, as they let their midlaner perma roam, and arent good at monopolizing. Maybe that isnt the case here, and its just unlucky, but so often people play asol, let people roam, and then cant carry. Esp on champs like Asol, they just yell "but im scaling".
I'm confused. When Dantes was calling Agurin a reactive jungler i thought "This guy is coping hard and calling Agurin reactive as if it's a slur. weird". And then i saw Agurin's reaction to Dantes' comments and he himself didn't consider his playstyle to be reactive but rather, high percentage play based. The confusing bit is when Nathan asked Curtis if someone could crush in solo queue while being strictly reactive, Curtis immediately said no. To their credit they then decided to define the word "reactive" to answer the question with context. Why is being reactive bad? Is it not the superior solo queue strategy? Only force plays that have high chances of success and react to enemy missplays. Why does everyone recoil from the word reactive?
it's all pretty much the same in CIS region (Ukraine/Russia/Belarus etc), same culture of comparison, things are also fixed very fast. The difference is that even though there is constant comparison, people don't care about it that much, there's much less overworking to death and stuff. Kids and teens are affected by that in a bad way tho
when i was a bronze mid player (now around plat) and i watched curtis bronze video, i remember being quite annoyed lol. I remember thinking that you know what are mistakes and what aren't mistakes, so you aren't doing them, which wouldnt even go through the mind of a bronze. A bronze would die to a gank because i was hovering on the wrong side of a lane, whereas you unconsciously can do that while cs'ing and tracking jungle A bronze player wouldn't space the enemy spells and take 0 damage in lane like you do, we just don't have the execution. A bronze player would WANT to keep the wave on their side, but wouldn't know how ( I remember melee minions inting to my tower making the minions pushing up the lane) I remember thinking that its easy to play safe when you have a million range and a point and click stun so they cant go on you lol I also remember thinking that you make it look simple but I can't do this all at once.
The thing about 3 blocks is just making sure you don't play too much and stay concentrated during your games. About reviews, people do that at different times. Some review after every game but others can't be objective just after the game is over, so they review after the block or before the next (I'm a big fan of this). I think there's even people who save up games to review and then look at trends over like 10 games at a time. At the end of the day you just have to find what works for you
I think the term playstyle is only usefull in champions. F.e. Talon on Conquerer, Phaserush, Elektrocute each force different playstyles to be succesfull.
Hey guys, great podcasts! Even though it's mostly irrelevant in terms of league, it would make my day if you took a few hours to research the CCP. I would recommend watching chinese expats or westerners who lived in China with chinese partners, like Lei from "Lei's real talk" or Serpentza and LaoWhy86. Or even talk to your spouse about it. There is no understanding China without understanding the CCP. I hope I didn't come off as a dick, just something I'm very passionate about. Thanks for all the good league insight Edit: I had to get this out too lol sry. China is a country of extremes yes. But it's very dangerous to equate "Chinese culture" with the extreme country we see today. If you wan't to see true Chinese culture, you can travel to Taiwan. China today is unfortunately a grand mess of fake communism, bad propaganda and a tightly controlled traditional chinese populus.
Tbh for the "Albit" bit, the champion mastery bit is really valuable. As a long time player who hit Diamond, going back to my old account and playing a normal game vs. people in bronze silver and gold, it was clearly just not balanced. You just destroy everyone with mechanics and game knowledge alone. Albeit (hehe) perhaps it was just due to being a normal game, but these people did not respect my abilities or damage output at any point of the game, leading to absurd 19-4 KDA while feeling like a Dragon Souls boss to these mofos. Git gud (not toxic)
What they did was redistribute it so each rank is more full. Before 50% of the players were silver and the rest were 10% or lower. Now 20% are bronze and iron, 20% are silver, 20% are gold, 20% are plat, 15% are emerald and 5% are diamond+. This made the ranking feel more fleshed out Emerald is like high plat and low diamond before the change.
hi guys, is anyone here who plays on EUNE and wanna have clash team ? I know it´s probably inappropriate comment here but It so hard to find growth-mindset ppl. so i decided to try my luck here :D p.s. i love the podcast and I recommend it almost to everybody all the time O:)
@@simplecliche5833 Referring to the title actually. Pretty much all the streamers who moved to Korea for soloqueue got permabanned. It's unclear if they will get their accounts back and continue climbing
The only think i got is that there isent a skillgap between the servers iff your challanger eu u get challanger kr and same for other elos kr and china hardcore overrated
The Bronze guy isn't entirely wrong though. Low ELO games are a lot more variable, it's quite possible to have 3 losing lanes. The thing is those 3 winning laners are just as likely to giga throw trying to siege the base and completely flip the advantage. You may have very little influence as scaling mage over early game, but unless they have a smurf/booster the winning bronze team isn't going to know how to end. They WILL give you opportunities to flip the game around if you are looking for them and are ready to take them.
@20:18 "obviously we are from OCE, we have got MidBeast, I don't know if you would call that representing" Come on now, be honest, does MidBeast beat you in OCE? If he does, then don't slight the man.
be wary of coming to the conclusion that you've seen the "real" China. idk what Curtis's itinerary was but there's an epidemic of tourists who go to Shanghai or Beijing and think they've gotten a glimpse of what Chinese culture is all about. the reality is the regime's grip on those areas is loosened to accommodate foreigners, who will always be kept at arm's reach by the population anyways. tl;dr STAY IN YOUR LANE CURTIS!!11
The reason why Chinese people are so comfortable comparing to others is because China is a meritocracy. You need not look further than President Xi Jinping who went from living in a cave while being a farmer to being the leader of the entire nation. You wont find this in the west. Historically this happened as well, China was the first country in the world to allow commoners to hold administrative and military positions via the imperial exam that was introduced in the Han dynasty. Han and Ming dynasty, the 2 greatest dynasties of China, were themselves founded by commoners/peasants. The current government was founded by a peasant as well, comrade Mao.
@@Droggelotnothing wrong with him stating what it is, the only issue would be if he started praising other things about China that don't correlate to the topic
@@bullettime1116 I mean, calling China, where following the CCP doctrine is a prerequisite of career success, a true meritocracy is factually wrong and praising Mao, responsible for the deaths of at least 40million people, is morally wrong. So yeah, to me there seems a lot wrong about his statement
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The section on Agurin is great. This is exactly what confused Agurin and LS so much when Dantes started calling him "reactive" and calling himself "proactive"; people forget basic game theory and see Agurin just only doing high % stuff and refusing to burgerflip buffs/objectives.
I have this mental picture of a general in war who is slowly losing to another general, and his only opinion is "this guy isn't beating me he's just a reactive general, while I'm a proactive general."
People see the game like "black and white" most of the time. "Weak champ" or "OP champ", "bad item" vs "good item", "passive playstlye" vs "agressive playstyle"... but the game (just like almost everything in life) its more complex.
Theres a lot fo variables that we'll have to consider and play around it.
Recently discovered a very interesting Valorant coach named Woohoojin, who does free full VOD reviews of viewers and pros on Twitch and uploads edited version to TH-cam. In many ways, he shares BBC values, such as process-oriented improvement, VOD review, and using drills as a way to work on individual game skills. He's achieved the highest rank in Valorant (Radiant) and used to play League very seriously, reaching challenger twice before switching his focus to Valorant. As he is very well-spoken and has a wealth of coaching and competitive gaming knowledge, I think he would be an awesome guest on the podcast. I think comparing notes on coaching as well as relating Valorant and League concepts could be super beneficial for both the BBC boys as well as the listeners.
Thanks for replying to my comment about doing your job in game, it's insightful to hear both of your opinions on what that means in contrast to what my view of the game was. I guess when I hear people use the term doing their job in league, I associated that with a very mediocre performance which makes me think most people are doing their job when playing. We are using the same phrase "doing your job" but meaning entirely different levels of play.
yes doing your job means not starting to 1v9 on eg. Ornn building carry items just because you're team sucks. doing your job exceptionally well is how you climb even with bad teammates because even a bad jinx will carry if you keep the enemy away from her.
Even when it comes to "doing your job" in comparison to your lane opponent, that will allow you to climb well into diamond. I first pick Ornn and then get counterpicked by a Darius, my job becomes to go even in lane and then help my team as we outscale in teamfights. On the other hand, that Darius got the opportunity to counterpick and picked a strong early champ so his job is to kill me on repeat and remove me from the game. Could a challenger Ornn in my position be killing darius on repeat? Yes, but as long as I consistently am doing "my job" then I will climb slowly. In some cases (especially scaling champions like Kayle or Ornn) you can be doing your job ub early by just going even but on the other hand going even as Talon would be failing to do your job.
I love Curtis' bronze video, I read the comments for months the reactions were fascinating.
It's the same thing with conspiracy theories, no matter how many people say something isn't the case some people will still believe it.
Great podcast as always! Have been watching you for a month after Ive started taking LoL seriously and I like your discussions, especially seeing that you have different inputs depending on your backgrounds (both as person and Mid/Jungle roles)
If I remember correctly, Midbeast said he would’ve liked to play more taliyah but after a recent small buff, she’s been getting banned a lot more
I've always played a lot of different champs, but at the end of last split I noticed I wasn't enjoying what I was playing anymore and was lying to myself about it. So this split I decided to only play Evelynn (so far so good, have like 85% of my games on her). On top of that, I've only been playing a handful of games per session (2, 3 or 4 depending on how I'm feeling. Nothing to do with the process, mostly to do with understanding the concept behind it and being aware of how much focus I put into my last game) and was doing pretty well. Got to Emerald 2 with a 60% winrate, I think I played solid in most of my games so far, still felt I didn't plateau or was even close to. 2 days ago, I went on a 6 game loss streak that took me to Emerald 3 0 lp (doesn't sound that bad, but for someone that believed he wasn't at his deserved rank yet, it hit hard). I still felt I performed well in those games but got losers queue'd, because every game I was doing well and all my teammates kept taking bad fights like they were allergic to having color in their screen. Yesterday, I played 6 games in 2 blocks, went 5 wins 1 loss, but felt something was off. I felt like I wasn't as strong as I felt before, I felt my 2nd item took forever to be done and it clicked. I checked at what time I bought my Large Rods and then completed Deathcap. On those wins where I felt unstoppable mvp next Faker of the jungle, I was finishing it at 17-18 minutes. This last few days, I was finishing it at 22. No shot I've been losing that hard for 6 straight games, and no shot I felt weak during every game in my last block. I went into the games and took a loot at why I was taking so long, and I noticed how much I started to prioritize random fights rather than my camps. In my loss streak, those fights didn't work. In my wins, the fights did work, but I was just compensating the income from not rotating my camps, like I did in my 60% winrate climb up to Emerald 2. Boom, instantly found a huge mistake that was costing me the ability to carry games. And the first comment of the Mailbag wants to say that reviewing is bullshit? I understand where you are coming from, because at the surface it feels like that. But you can't stay in the surface, you have to dig into YOUR gameplay, not your teammates'. If YOU are ahead, you should have the tools to carry. If you aren't ahead, you should look for the tools to be ahead
Ironic they all got banned XD
TLDR for 90min video haha They're not
@fyrewanderer2802 why'd they get banned?
@@ragegaze3482 TFblade's constant flaming, plus using bought accounts got the hotel they were in IP banned, people who are using riot accounts are fine
@@ragegaze3482 they made accounts with somebody else's Korean ID (lol accounts are tied to your ID and phone number). So the people who got riot accounts are fine but people who got accounts another way are fd.
@@scottwallace5239the hotel got not open banned, there are still people from that hotel with riot accounts streaming
I love you guys man. You really opened my eyes about the ranked system and I've been progressively getting less negative about league itself. I've accepted that I wqs bad and I'm starting to work on getting better instead of blaming champ design and teamates. I really enjoy tye fact that you guys are trying to fix the community one podcast at a time. Much love ❤.
Hi Coach Curtis and Coach Nathan. I've been turning my life around and your podcast has helpen immensely. I absolutely love the way you've built this up and will continue to support you. I was wondering if it was possible to add your external recommendations to the comments or biography in future videos with things like the documentaries you recommend, books, people etc. Thank you for your time
Real talk Dantes probably shortened his lifespan by not sleeping and just caffeinating himself to stay awake
For 2 weeks? I mean it's obviously not healthy but dude works out a lot and he made it a point to push himself to the limit in Korea. I doubt this would make a dent.
@@RocoPwnagebro can work out all he wants loss of sleep damages the brain more then any other organ
@@RocoPwnage he was hospitalized for heart complications last year. So yes, it probably fucked his heart up
Wouldn't be able play league until old age anyway.
@@RocoPwnage working out just makes it worse
you've reminded me how much knowledge I really lack, that whole fishing net still awaits me, thanks Curtis :3
Hey guys. Let me share my below gold experience. I started playing League at about last year october, and went to play ranked as soon as hitting lvl 30. Of course I struggled a lot, and I was still iron 3 at the beginning of february with like 30-40% winrate. Then I had a sudden realization, and changed my mindset because of this. Before that, I was always like "if only my top/jungler/bot did this/didnt do that..."
My change of mindset was: I started expecting everyone else to feed/int/troll me. It's that simple. By this I started to concentrate on myself, how can I help my teammates (with roams for example), or how to get fed myself on the enemy shutdown gold. Now, when some fed the enemy, I was like: "just as expected". I didn't get mad, didn't flame my teammates after that, because I was expecting it to happen.
All in all this helped making my mindset healthier, and because I focused on myself, not my teammates, I skyrocketed to silver in just 30 days with 75-80% winrate. I probably could've went further, but I havent played ranked since then, because I just wanted to prove a point by hitting silver, and just be average, not to play badly when I'm playing with my friends.
In short, I think the biggest problem in below gold (probably above that too), is that people are too fixated on OTHER people's faults, and NOT their own.
I need to see this Midbeast counter commentary after this sort of half-roast.
I just want to point out something I realized this season. Curtis talked a lot about having a good champion pool and this can lead low elo players to spend a lot of time overthinking their pool which is a mistake in the sense that what we really need to focus is having good and consistent decision making. In reality a champion is just a "tool" for doing what we want in the rift, it's an extension of our thoughts of how we want to play the game.
Even though this examples are from high elo players it just proves that anything can be done if we've the knowledge to do so. Last year a korean player reached rank 10 playing Volibear jungle, last week a guy reached
rank 1 playing Rumble jungle and the are a lot examples like that in all servers. My point here is that a good league player can use any "tool"/champion to climb, because he has mastered the league fundamentals and that's what low elo players should be doing.
I just think that some advanced thoughts that you both share in some episodes can be misunderstood by low elo
players, like right now Nathan is looking for an AP champion for his pool but that's not something a low elo player should be concerned since he'll be able to climb just playing a normal AD champion.
Curtis with his like 18 inch arms "Shirts a little tight guys." lol.
Also, the level 1 skirmish is about skill checking. It's 100% a "I am better than you" thing. KR does it too. It's the heavy focus on mechanics and outplaying people at the micro level. They don't really care about "X champ vs Y champ" or whatever. It's all "Either I'm better than you and I win this or I'm not."
Also, as someone else said, kids in both CN and KR have limited game time and they want to get in as many games as possible. So it's basically a win hard and win fast or FF and go next meta.
So when I sent in the Asol mail I was beyond tilted. I think I was like 5-15 in my last 20 games. I have since spent a lot of time since writing that doing exactly what was suggested, particularly emohasizing W pathing and playing more aggressively with a crown set up instead of ROA or Liandrys. And in reviewing my deaths, no I'm not being an idiot looking for ways to blame my team, it's usually something stupid like trying to catch 1 more wave when I should have left, or teleporting to a fight without ult. My frustration comes from feeling like I'm making no progress after hundreds of games, still hard stuck bronze 2 even though i play consistently. my BIGGEST frustration is losing games with 1 or 2 critical deaths because i was carrying. I dont know what else to do and it wears down on me. I also didn't express, it's not the fact that my bronze teammates are performing poorly that's irritating me, that's going to be a given for the elo, what's truly tilting me is just my inability to hard carry 80-90% of games like I know is possible I just don't know how to execute and it drives me insane.
Too much expectation. Maybe change your champ for a little bit, so you can relax on your Asol journey. I'm not a great Asol player, but I'm emerald 3. Keep going. Also don't get too caught up on your ult uses. We all miss it lol
hey m8 I’m a garbo diamond 2 player but I’d be happy to help you review if you post a vod
@rubentncopy it's just frustrating because I'm used to seeing immediate improvement through actionable intelligence in other things I do in life. For example, my other hobby aside from league is BJJ, and in that scenario, if I'm getting caught up in a bad position, I can review what I'm doing wrong and immediately improve on it the next round. Not seeing that improvement even though I put the work in drives me insane.
@rubentncopy it's also not so much the champ I'm having issues with as it is just bad decision making. I actually LOVE asol as a champion. Played quite a bit of the old version and was super excited to hear he was an actual champion when I came back to the game a few months ago. Absolutely love popping off with the W, if I could play him literally every single game I would but he gets banned a lot in my elo and I don't play him well when filled off of mid.
@@albertcohee7757 in those cases. Maybe looking at the Review and looking ways to free up your mental stack to take better decisions is a must.
Looking over at your decision making or whatever thats holding You back in terms of improvement. You can send a Replay. And listen your decision making, but You should be able to overcome this obstacle dude. Is normal being frustrated at this game lol. Regarding to the suggested advice on leaving Aurelion Sol, the Angle I was looking to get across was to play something differently so you vent some of that frustration and come back to Asol with a fresh mindset. Most like resetting your mental, taking a nap out of Asol, maybe try Sylas or whatever feels You comfortable.
If You are a hardcore student of the Game, or like to look profiles of great players there's an Asol in kr that goes by cxybaby or look for kr Aurelion Sol. There a gems of Replays to learn from out there.
Good luck on your Journey.
Love the podcast guys! Do you have an episode where you go in depth with how to VOD review? Or are you going to make one maybe?:))
Curtis has a video for midlaners on his channel. How to vod review at each Rank. It's a little bit older but still relevant.
As the best lee sin low Elo NA , I approve this upload
you know it makes me sad how little people actually think about the game compared to you guys. Its a blessing and a curse being a person who wants more than the average person.
Honestly it just feels like Agurin plays with a crystal ball, I hope he faces Canyon in Korea soon that would be really fun to watch.
i think canyon was top lane when he was jgl on same team and he honored him lol
@@dumpsterplayer2700 Really good to know that, I'm gonna search for that game, thanks
"[...] people were saying that Agurin is a reactive jungler"
NO. Dantes said that. people quote that to mock Dantes
Agurin actually has an english yt and he is mostly streaming on english atm
Good stuff lads keep it up!
I was rewatching some Agurin 's vods and even though doing a full clear on Jarvan IV is uncommon it's not the right play every time.
The last game he didn't gank bot lane and the enemy Tristana got a kill and from that she started to snowball, so even Agurin makes mistakes and the real answer is adaptation if he ganked the lane like all Jarvans he wouldn't lose that game.
Omg early!! Or is it idk!! I’m just glad to have my weekly BBC! thanks Nathan and Curtis :)
I know in Korea the lvl 1 invade is a product of pc bongs and lack of time to get games in. I think it’s the same in China, but as well you have restrictions to your game time anyway as a child
which server did you play on in china? the skill discrepancy varies wildly depending on which one.
Curtis played around mid diamond on 艾欧尼亚
Its so often in low elo (as a low elo player) i hear people talk like this, as they let their midlaner perma roam, and arent good at monopolizing.
Maybe that isnt the case here, and its just unlucky, but so often people play asol, let people roam, and then cant carry.
Esp on champs like Asol, they just yell "but im scaling".
I'm confused. When Dantes was calling Agurin a reactive jungler i thought "This guy is coping hard and calling Agurin reactive as if it's a slur. weird". And then i saw Agurin's reaction to Dantes' comments and he himself didn't consider his playstyle to be reactive but rather, high percentage play based.
The confusing bit is when Nathan asked Curtis if someone could crush in solo queue while being strictly reactive, Curtis immediately said no. To their credit they then decided to define the word "reactive" to answer the question with context. Why is being reactive bad? Is it not the superior solo queue strategy? Only force plays that have high chances of success and react to enemy missplays. Why does everyone recoil from the word reactive?
it's all pretty much the same in CIS region (Ukraine/Russia/Belarus etc), same culture of comparison, things are also fixed very fast. The difference is that even though there is constant comparison, people don't care about it that much, there's much less overworking to death and stuff. Kids and teens are affected by that in a bad way tho
when i was a bronze mid player (now around plat) and i watched curtis bronze video, i remember being quite annoyed lol.
I remember thinking that you know what are mistakes and what aren't mistakes, so you aren't doing them, which wouldnt even go through the mind of a bronze.
A bronze would die to a gank because i was hovering on the wrong side of a lane, whereas you unconsciously can do that while cs'ing and tracking jungle
A bronze player wouldn't space the enemy spells and take 0 damage in lane like you do, we just don't have the execution.
A bronze player would WANT to keep the wave on their side, but wouldn't know how ( I remember melee minions inting to my tower making the minions pushing up the lane)
I remember thinking that its easy to play safe when you have a million range and a point and click stun so they cant go on you lol
I also remember thinking that you make it look simple but I can't do this all at once.
can someone elaborate on "three blocks" ? is it play 3, then review? Why not play 1, then review?
The thing about 3 blocks is just making sure you don't play too much and stay concentrated during your games. About reviews, people do that at different times. Some review after every game but others can't be objective just after the game is over, so they review after the block or before the next (I'm a big fan of this). I think there's even people who save up games to review and then look at trends over like 10 games at a time. At the end of the day you just have to find what works for you
I think the term playstyle is only usefull in champions. F.e. Talon on Conquerer, Phaserush, Elektrocute each force different playstyles to be succesfull.
Love it!
Hey guys, great podcasts! Even though it's mostly irrelevant in terms of league, it would make my day if you took a few hours to research the CCP. I would recommend watching chinese expats or westerners who lived in China with chinese partners, like Lei from "Lei's real talk" or Serpentza and LaoWhy86. Or even talk to your spouse about it. There is no understanding China without understanding the CCP. I hope I didn't come off as a dick, just something I'm very passionate about. Thanks for all the good league insight
Edit: I had to get this out too lol sry. China is a country of extremes yes. But it's very dangerous to equate "Chinese culture" with the extreme country we see today. If you wan't to see true Chinese culture, you can travel to Taiwan. China today is unfortunately a grand mess of fake communism, bad propaganda and a tightly controlled traditional chinese populus.
Tbh for the "Albit" bit, the champion mastery bit is really valuable. As a long time player who hit Diamond, going back to my old account and playing a normal game vs. people in bronze silver and gold, it was clearly just not balanced. You just destroy everyone with mechanics and game knowledge alone. Albeit (hehe) perhaps it was just due to being a normal game, but these people did not respect my abilities or damage output at any point of the game, leading to absurd 19-4 KDA while feeling like a Dragon Souls boss to these mofos. Git gud (not toxic)
so, when and why did all these streamers start going to Korea/China?
im so confused by the new ranks like did everyone go a full rank up or what is emerald just high plat
What they did was redistribute it so each rank is more full. Before 50% of the players were silver and the rest were 10% or lower. Now 20% are bronze and iron, 20% are silver, 20% are gold, 20% are plat, 15% are emerald and 5% are diamond+. This made the ranking feel more fleshed out
Emerald is like high plat and low diamond before the change.
most ppl went up by 1 rank (plat to emerald, gold to plat, etc.) unless they were high diamond or around bronze
@@LuxiBelleokk thx
hi guys, is anyone here who plays on EUNE and wanna have clash team ? I know it´s probably inappropriate comment here but It so hard to find growth-mindset ppl. so i decided to try my luck here :D p.s. i love the podcast and I recommend it almost to everybody all the time O:)
what are your elos? nathan and curtis
Pretty sure they are both challenger
Edit: typo
@@collamus6901 which server?
Not climbing anymore.
Who? You? Curtis and Nathan? The Chinese server? Why does this comment have 5 likes when it has no context?
Now 6 cuz I’ve added to it
@@simplecliche5833 Referring to the title actually. Pretty much all the streamers who moved to Korea for soloqueue got permabanned. It's unclear if they will get their accounts back and continue climbing
@@VigilTheProtogen I see now, still confusing at first glance but the likes make sense now
The only think i got is that there isent a skillgap between the servers iff your challanger eu u get challanger kr and same for other elos kr and china hardcore overrated
The Bronze guy isn't entirely wrong though. Low ELO games are a lot more variable, it's quite possible to have 3 losing lanes. The thing is those 3 winning laners are just as likely to giga throw trying to siege the base and completely flip the advantage. You may have very little influence as scaling mage over early game, but unless they have a smurf/booster the winning bronze team isn't going to know how to end. They WILL give you opportunities to flip the game around if you are looking for them and are ready to take them.
0:30 - Is it tight, or are you too muscular? xdd
Welp, they aren't
@20:18 "obviously we are from OCE, we have got MidBeast, I don't know if you would call that representing"
Come on now, be honest, does MidBeast beat you in OCE? If he does, then don't slight the man.
Nice vid but tfblade got some streamers and himself banned.
niu bi
be wary of coming to the conclusion that you've seen the "real" China. idk what Curtis's itinerary was but there's an epidemic of tourists who go to Shanghai or Beijing and think they've gotten a glimpse of what Chinese culture is all about. the reality is the regime's grip on those areas is loosened to accommodate foreigners, who will always be kept at arm's reach by the population anyways.
tl;dr STAY IN YOUR LANE CURTIS!!11
This aged poorly (after the ban) :(
The reason why Chinese people are so comfortable comparing to others is because China is a meritocracy. You need not look further than President Xi Jinping who went from living in a cave while being a farmer to being the leader of the entire nation. You wont find this in the west. Historically this happened as well, China was the first country in the world to allow commoners to hold administrative and military positions via the imperial exam that was introduced in the Han dynasty. Han and Ming dynasty, the 2 greatest dynasties of China, were themselves founded by commoners/peasants. The current government was founded by a peasant as well, comrade Mao.
Not sure if Wumao or CCP shill bot
@@Droggelot jelly westerner detected
@@Droggelotnothing wrong with him stating what it is, the only issue would be if he started praising other things about China that don't correlate to the topic
@@bullettime1116 I mean, calling China, where following the CCP doctrine is a prerequisite of career success, a true meritocracy is factually wrong and praising Mao, responsible for the deaths of at least 40million people, is morally wrong. So yeah, to me there seems a lot wrong about his statement
@@Droggelot true ig, I don't know enough about China to say much about it
Why is everyone banned??
ff blade