For ventless dryer, you have to factor in thecost of heating or cooling of the air that gets in during winter and summer. With evented dryers, the air that goes out need to be compensated otherwise you'll make a vacuum... That air come from every single small gaps and holes in your house.
I don't know what a "thecost" is, but since the planet is heated by the sun, and cooling is just losing that heat, what is there to "factor in"? That's how these machines work, by moving heat from one place to another. When the cycle is over, that heat goes back to where it came from. Heat is neither created nor destroyed. No air is created or destroyed either. But now that you mention it, it's the _vented_ dryer that does indeed move air outside of the house! That air _does_ need to be replaced. But the ventless ones don't do that, so your thinking is the opposite of the truth.
I’ve read a few comments on other videos that a big con for heat pump dryers is that over 2-4 years lint will inevitably build up on the condenser and degrade the dryer’s performance, and one must take the dryer completely apart to access and clean the condenser. Some dryers have a condenser flush feature but no one seems to know how effective they are.
none of them will self clean themselves, all of the heat pumps will need to be taken apart to clean, on the old style condenser you just pull out the heater and wash it. I don't know if the heat pump really makes that much sense, i can dry a full load of clothes in like 50 min on my very old condenser, using like what? 3kW... a heat pump will do that shit in about double the time but at half the energy, if u add it together it's still the same 3kw but now you have a unfixable device after warranty expires
@@verdele Some new LG models do clean them selves now, looking at this video as a result to learn the difference I think heat pumps are going to be the gamechanger with energy being so expensive in urban areas.
We got a heat pump dryer here in SoCal, and our power is crazy expensive, about $0.40/kWh. It was about $500 more expensive than a regular vented dryer, but we got the returns back in not needing to dedicate a 240V outlet to dryer, and energy savings. All included, it was 11 months or so.
I use 12 years one went tumble dryer and was newer broken down. And use every day. Only one part was change its a bering on the back is cost £3. And is still running.
We have a 2nd floor laundry stupidly vented through the roof. A heat pump dryer would be the best option, but I couldn’t commit when replacing our 15 year old vented dryer recently. Cost vs reliability, payback period in a relatively low utility cost locale, and maintenance hassle with lint / condenser coils combined to steer me to a basic vented Maytag model. Maybe next time when ventless is firmly established. Nearly all appliances are junk. Makes it hard to justify spending more on more complex junk.
Are heat pump dryers new to the american marked? I've had them since I moved into my first appartement some 20 years ago here in Europe. I do remember my parents having the old vented type, but they changed to heat pump while I lived there, so they must have had one for close to 25 years.
In Phoenix my wife’s dryer sat on the back porch. With the heating element disconnected. It just tumbled and blew air. With incoming air at less than 20% rh and temps near 100* F the clothes dried quickly. So I suspect clothes drying solutions are regional. Here in the humid eastern part of the US condensing dryers would seem more practical. Refrigerator compressors run for 20 years without failing. An hour per day ought to be easy! Condensing dryers won’t pull air out of the living space. Causing your furnace or A/C to cycle. But my laundry is in the garage.
The market electricity rate here in Alberta Canada was 36¢/kWh over the last couple of months. I finally switched back to a contract price of 12.5¢/kWh for the cost of a nominal $9/mo admin fee. Being on a floating market rate saved me hundreds of dollars a year, but things have become volatile enough since 2022 to revert back to a contract.
I have a vented and a condenser dryer in my laundry room. It happens to be very cold in there in the winter so in the winter time I use the condenser dryer because it does heat the room beautifully in the summer and spring, I use the vented dryer because who wants extra heat? You pointed out that the heat pump dryers had a low frequency of repair that’s because they’re relatively new to this market and do not have the tried and true long-term running performance that the vented and condenser dryers have. Down the road they will be quite costly to repair and then unless well-maintained they will become less efficient in time. My reason for saying that is that look at a dehumidifier, which is what a heat pump dryer is, they rarely last very long.
You are right about dehumidifier not lasting long these days. But I suspect the quality of the condensers in dryers are better. Also, if it breaks, it's more woth repairing, unlike a dehumidifier (pretty much no place repair small appliances because it's not worth it).
I bought the Miele set thanks to your reviews. Hands down love it! Mom of 3 and previously had Samsung top load washer plate, that was awful! The Miele condenser dryer is faster than the Samsung electric. Very happy, thanks for your excellent reviews. Wish we could patron you here in Texas! ❤😊
@@YaleAppliance1 We have a one-month-old GE Ultra-Fast Combo. The drive belt completely shredded yesterday, after only one month of use! This is so disappointing. Any ideas as to why a completely NEW drive belt would shred up and slip off the drum? We placed a service repair request with GE. Did you have any drive belt issues with this GE Profile Ultra-Fast combo when you were testing it?
@YaleAppliance1 Please keep us posted. Also, keep us posted on the lint build-up on the coils and inside the housing unit that a lot of users are complaining about.
Assume that gas dryers would behave exactly like electric dryers with the difference being the heat source. 240v electric connection for electric versus gas line for gas. Cost of the amount of gas and electricity needed would likely be comparable based on the utility company prices. And both require venting. I am no expert though 😊
Is it ok to leave the vent hose on the floor beside the dryer? It is a well ventilated space, like a covered balcony of sorts. Gets a lot of sun and airflow. But it rains a lot so it's impractical to vent out of the window.
@YaleAppliance1 It rains a lot. Machine gets wet if we leave the windows open. High rise. Present machine has a front vent and doesn't require a hose. It doesn't feel warm. Maybe it's just this one. Space is also well ventilated. But we'll be changing to a dryer with a hose. So I was wondering could we just leave the hose lengthwise at the side of the machine?
We have this very problem dryer now has a build behind the condenser smell is awful from machine and impregnates the clothes avoid heat pump dryers at all cost
All washers have drains, all drains need to be vented. If you can vent your plumbing you can vent your dryer. There are zero excuses to venting a dryer.
Really doing your namesake proud with these comments Ricky Bobby. Maybe go get yourself thrown out of Applebees instead as the concept of “ventless” appears to be just behind your reach
The context is that while a vented electric may at most get 100% efficiency (which would be a Coefficient of Performance of 1), heat pump dryers get anywhere in the range of 250% to 400% energy efficiency (CoP of 2.5-4.0). They move heat around instead of generating additional heat.
Also not to mention that a dryer vents air from inside the home to outside. This will create a vacuum in the home and make your HVAC system work harder to maintain temperature in the home.
For ventless dryer, you have to factor in thecost of heating or cooling of the air that gets in during winter and summer. With evented dryers, the air that goes out need to be compensated otherwise you'll make a vacuum... That air come from every single small gaps and holes in your house.
I don't know what a "thecost" is, but since the planet is heated by the sun, and cooling is just losing that heat, what is there to "factor in"? That's how these machines work, by moving heat from one place to another. When the cycle is over, that heat goes back to where it came from. Heat is neither created nor destroyed. No air is created or destroyed either.
But now that you mention it, it's the _vented_ dryer that does indeed move air outside of the house! That air _does_ need to be replaced. But the ventless ones don't do that, so your thinking is the opposite of the truth.
I’ve read a few comments on other videos that a big con for heat pump dryers is that over 2-4 years lint will inevitably build up on the condenser and degrade the dryer’s performance, and one must take the dryer completely apart to access and clean the condenser. Some dryers have a condenser flush feature but no one seems to know how effective they are.
There a few new models that fix this issue and have massive lint filters
@@Austden
What models do this? Does the LG washtower do this?
none of them will self clean themselves, all of the heat pumps will need to be taken apart to clean, on the old style condenser you just pull out the heater and wash it. I don't know if the heat pump really makes that much sense, i can dry a full load of clothes in like 50 min on my very old condenser, using like what? 3kW... a heat pump will do that shit in about double the time but at half the energy, if u add it together it's still the same 3kw but now you have a unfixable device after warranty expires
@@verdele Some new LG models do clean them selves now, looking at this video as a result to learn the difference I think heat pumps are going to be the gamechanger with energy being so expensive in urban areas.
The solution to your problem is easy
Make sure you clean the lint filter every after use AND clean the condenser every two weeks with a vacuum cleaner
We got a heat pump dryer here in SoCal, and our power is crazy expensive, about $0.40/kWh. It was about $500 more expensive than a regular vented dryer, but we got the returns back in not needing to dedicate a 240V outlet to dryer, and energy savings. All included, it was 11 months or so.
I use 12 years one went tumble dryer and was newer broken down. And use every day.
Only one part was change its a bering on the back is cost £3. And is still running.
The benefit of old school vented non-digital dryers is they are so simple I can fix it myself and the parts are cheap.
exactly that why i still use my 1943 car and my 1800s lamp
We have a 2nd floor laundry stupidly vented through the roof. A heat pump dryer would be the best option, but I couldn’t commit when replacing our 15 year old vented dryer recently. Cost vs reliability, payback period in a relatively low utility cost locale, and maintenance hassle with lint / condenser coils combined to steer me to a basic vented Maytag model. Maybe next time when ventless is firmly established. Nearly all appliances are junk. Makes it hard to justify spending more on more complex junk.
on the condenser one you literally pull out the condenser and wash it, the issue is the pump ones that can't be cleaned
Are heat pump dryers new to the american marked? I've had them since I moved into my first appartement some 20 years ago here in Europe. I do remember my parents having the old vented type, but they changed to heat pump while I lived there, so they must have had one for close to 25 years.
In Phoenix my wife’s dryer sat on the back porch. With the heating element disconnected. It just tumbled and blew air.
With incoming air at less than 20% rh and temps near 100* F the clothes dried quickly.
So I suspect clothes drying solutions are regional.
Here in the humid eastern part of the US condensing dryers would seem more practical.
Refrigerator compressors run for 20 years without failing. An hour per day ought to be easy!
Condensing dryers won’t pull air out of the living space. Causing your furnace or A/C to cycle.
But my laundry is in the garage.
The market electricity rate here in Alberta Canada was 36¢/kWh over the last couple of months. I finally switched back to a contract price of 12.5¢/kWh for the cost of a nominal $9/mo admin fee. Being on a floating market rate saved me hundreds of dollars a year, but things have become volatile enough since 2022 to revert back to a contract.
This helped a lot, thank you. Greetings from istanbul and a happy new year.🥳
Always wanted to go......crossroads of history
I have a vented and a condenser dryer in my laundry room. It happens to be very cold in there in the winter so in the winter time I use the condenser dryer because it does heat the room beautifully in the summer and spring, I use the vented dryer because who wants extra heat?
You pointed out that the heat pump dryers had a low frequency of repair that’s because they’re relatively new to this market and do not have the tried and true long-term running performance that the vented and condenser dryers have. Down the road they will be quite costly to repair and then unless well-maintained they will become less efficient in time. My reason for saying that is that look at a dehumidifier, which is what a heat pump dryer is, they rarely last very long.
You are right about dehumidifier not lasting long these days. But I suspect the quality of the condensers in dryers are better. Also, if it breaks, it's more woth repairing, unlike a dehumidifier (pretty much no place repair small appliances because it's not worth it).
Great video and thanking for taking the time to create this content! I am curious do you have any brand recommendations for an rv?
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I'm still using a natural gas drying; much cheaper to operate. It is vented as well. :)
I also have a natural gas dryer, since 2015. I've never looked into the cost per load, but I know it's inexpensive.
I bought the Miele set thanks to your reviews. Hands down love it! Mom of 3 and previously had Samsung top load washer plate, that was awful! The Miele condenser dryer is faster than the Samsung electric. Very happy, thanks for your excellent reviews. Wish we could patron you here in Texas! ❤😊
Love Texas...wish we were there. My best friend lives in Houston.
@@YaleAppliance1 We have a one-month-old GE Ultra-Fast Combo. The drive belt completely shredded yesterday, after only one month of use! This is so disappointing. Any ideas as to why a completely NEW drive belt would shred up and slip off the drum? We placed a service repair request with GE. Did you have any drive belt issues with this GE Profile Ultra-Fast combo when you were testing it?
Not yet....If you had one, I am sure we will see it eventually.
@YaleAppliance1 Please keep us posted. Also, keep us posted on the lint build-up on the coils and inside the housing unit that a lot of users are complaining about.
Are there any full-sized heat pump dryers? Most are designed for smaller spaces.
LG in their WashTower and the GE UltraFast
My Bosch washer/dryer has a condenser dryer with a heat exchanger recovering heat from the exhaust air.
Steve, why do you seem to rarely mention gas dryers? Otherwise, I truly like Yale Appliances. Here in NE.Ohio, more dryers are heated by Natural Gas
Funny...never thought of it. We sell way more electric than gas.
Assume that gas dryers would behave exactly like electric dryers with the difference being the heat source. 240v electric connection for electric versus gas line for gas. Cost of the amount of gas and electricity needed would likely be comparable based on the utility company prices. And both require venting. I am no expert though 😊
Is it ok to leave the vent hose on the floor beside the dryer? It is a well ventilated space, like a covered balcony of sorts. Gets a lot of sun and airflow. But it rains a lot so it's impractical to vent out of the window.
Dont you want all that heat out of your house?
@YaleAppliance1 It rains a lot. Machine gets wet if we leave the windows open. High rise. Present machine has a front vent and doesn't require a hose. It doesn't feel warm. Maybe it's just this one. Space is also well ventilated. But we'll be changing to a dryer with a hose. So I was wondering could we just leave the hose lengthwise at the side of the machine?
Not that efficient......
@YaleAppliance1 Why though?
Because all the heat, steam, lint are recirculated back into your house....Not something I would do.
Thanks for the video
Can I put a heat pump dryer next to the refrigerator?
yes
We have this very problem dryer now has a build behind the condenser smell is awful from machine and impregnates the clothes avoid heat pump dryers at all cost
Heat pump is eg
Condenser is bosch
Vented is lg
3:00 WHAT? $150 per load??
per year
😂😂😂😂😂 did he just say you have to remember to clean the dryer vent every few years? Years really.???? 😂😂😂😂😂
The venting yes....The dryer every single time
What's wrong with a clothes line 😂?
Its 31 degrees in Boston today
The most efficient is a vented gas dryer.
Vented dryer uses gas
As do most electric
@ that was known with 240 volt but gas was never mentioned and in some areas of the USA it is very rare to have an electric dryer.
Not in Massachusetts
All washers have drains, all drains need to be vented. If you can vent your plumbing you can vent your dryer. There are zero excuses to venting a dryer.
Thats water, not air...totally different
Really doing your namesake proud with these comments Ricky Bobby. Maybe go get yourself thrown out of Applebees instead as the concept of “ventless” appears to be just behind your reach
A vented dryer is 100% efficient. All of the energy is converted to heat. Your videos incorrect
The context is that while a vented electric may at most get 100% efficiency (which would be a Coefficient of Performance of 1), heat pump dryers get anywhere in the range of 250% to 400% energy efficiency (CoP of 2.5-4.0). They move heat around instead of generating additional heat.
Ok...how about this: A vented dryer will cost you $150-175 more to run than a heat pump, maybe more based on utility rates....
Also not to mention that a dryer vents air from inside the home to outside. This will create a vacuum in the home and make your HVAC system work harder to maintain temperature in the home.