I Play Guitar and sing in a Band.I am influenced by many Styles and Genres.I never think about what I am doing when I make a new Song and it's always funny to hear what the people hear in our Music. That keeps it entertaining.
I enjoyed this video. Goth + education is always a win for me. I listen to different goth genres, but I can't always explain in words the differences. I appreciate your break down of the subgenres.
I didn't understand a lot of the musical terms (not yet) but this was really easy and complete. Definitely a way better than searching all the sub-genres and trying to figure it out the differences
I’m glad it was helpful! 😊 It makes a lot more sense to start at the larger categories (like rock) and work your way down to hear some of the more subtle differences.
music theory is such an interesting concept (AND ONE IM STILL TRYING TO LEARN 😭) sometimes i just like to listen, and other times i get intrigued and start trying to analyze (and failing). and i hear distinctions in the artists i listen to, but i rlly wanted to narrow it down some more. thanks for this!!!
I love your videos! I really appreciate content on the subculture that goes beyond the more "immediate" aspects of it that can be shown off, and that deal a little more with artistry and thought put into the subculture.
Drab Majesty has more of an 80's club vibe to me compared to the other darkwave bands I listen to. I could see Drab Majesty making it to the radio, that's how much more overpowering their synth and dreamy sound is.
Sorry if I appear to be spamming your channel with multiple posts, but as a lover of PostPunk, Deathrock, Goth, and most other similar dark genres of rock, I really think that yours is probably the most accurate and most thoughtful channel I've found on here. Great work. You do your research AND you love the music (it shows). Subscribing!
There is something that many people didn't realize: Most of the early Gothic bands used one guitar and one bass guitar. Later Goth bands such as Fields of the Nephilim use two guitars. That creates a bigger Rock feel. Some early stuff by the Fields sounds less rock-oriented, A track like *"Dark Cell"* uses one guitar and one bass guitar. It sounds completely different.
I'm definitely not an academic nor a musician, but I've researched a lot of music genres! I think you're very good at explaining music terms in a simple way. I love your videos, you seem lovely and friendly and you're a great addition in the gothic youtube🖤
Fun Fact: Goth and Emo were originally subgenres of Punk, and punk was originally a subgenre of Rock music. It's rather obvious with Rock, Metal and Punk.
My favorite video you have made so far, and I'm pretty sure I just went to school on Gothic music. I think everyone should know some music theory. Thank You.
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You and I seem to have a similar - enough background in music (fifteen years of voice training, four years of viola, about three years general music theory), so I'm not at all surprised that I'm largely in agreement with this. Though my mother, in her own words, "abandoned a mediocre career in the operatic chorus to be a [Frank Zappa] groupie," was obviously a classical musician, she dove headfirst into the experimental genres that began emerging in the late 1960s, and passed that enthusiasm onto me. While it can be interesting to sort out my music collection by subgenre and sub-subgenre and all, I more often than not tend to sort out my mp3, LP, and CD collections by Mood, or other themes (like music appropriate for my home Pagan rituals, or what kind of events I'd DJ at with it - I've done both Gothic/New Wave and Mod/Ska events). At the end of the day, I tend to just be all, "Goth is Goth is Goth, and I know it when I hear it," and nit-picking genre is often little more than mental masturba+ion - which doesn't mean that it lacks value (unless one is just REALLY bad at it, I suppose), it is means that there's simply a time and place to do it.
Thanks so much, Kelly, for bringing this information to us. I appreciate how the goth could be so diverse and mixed at the same time. Coldwave, gothic rock and darkwave are my favourite.
As a musician this helps. I’ve been trying to add goth music to my bands music. We’re like industrial black metal with death metal, symphonic, Darkwave, and other styles added
I like your video. constructive criticism: i'd like more examples of bands/musicians that exemplify a style (early goth/80s goth rock/darkwave/etc). we usually get two or three bands but i always just want a couple more! I also think the articulation section needs fleshing out. i don't see much of stacatto ANYTHING in the song "spellbound," the only empty space in the vocal melody being in the rests. I will say however that during the chorus of the song the diction/consonants are much more pronounced (though no stacatto separation; rather the notes are accented). I think this distinction is so important because Siouxsie's heavier diction in the chorus creates an affective/emotive contrast in relation to the rest of the song. If you'd like to hear a little more stacatto in Siouxsie listen to "switch." The chorus really contrasts the rest of the song and the guitar part there is as stacatto as the band really gets, while Sioixsie has some rests/space in the chorus and even a little in the rest of the song, but I still think you could dig up some more apt examples of vocal stacatto/tremolo in goth singing and that would totally rule. Thanks for these videos!
Danny Vogel Thank you for the feedback! I’m always looking to improve my content. I’m going to do videos talking about more artists and mention their styles more 😊
wow Kelly, such informative video girl!!! yeeeeees! Btw I love darkwave, that was thing that drive me into the gothic community, then gothic rock and post punk, and now I like synth too, pretty much focused in the 80s style that's my thing. I'm glad that there are new bands doing good music too! anyways, thanks for this video this is the contect I like in my gothtubers! honest talk why don't you have more subs! I'm blessed!
Thank you for this!! I think about classifying music all the time, but I don't have the technical knowledge or the trained ear to actually do it XD I'd love to see more videos like this! I'm subscribing and checking out your other videos now; I love hearing people talk about the music!! 🖤
I truly appreciate this video more than any other I saw about the essence of Goth which, on my perspective, is art... I've found this essence it's more focus in music than (although literature, visual arts, and social history have been the raw inspiration to musicians dedicated to the 'Goth' concept), music has been the most fluent way of expression, besides our own sense of style. This video is helpful because ex.: in my community, there's a lot of people that take the term 'Goth' to associate it with anything that reflects any mysterious behavior, concept or aesthetic (Black Metal, Symphonic Metal, Industrial, EBM, and Darkwave in some cases). What that people ignore is the fact that because at the time, since metalheads, cybers and goth were minorities, the best choice sometimes (and in some countries) was to share the venue. So the inspiration might be the same but not all mysterious things are Goth. This video clarifies it in a polite and educative way and that's very important to me. That all the Goth enthusiast that doesn't know much can reach out to this amazing source of information with no shame at all. Thanks a lot!
learning alot, thanks so much love your channel !!!! keep up the great work!! I "Thought" I was Goth back in the days and feel like it was all a lie lol :)
Another great video, thanks for recommending it! I love New wave, Coldwave and Darkwave in addition to Goth Rock (and a bunch of other stuff) Have you listened to, The Rope, Second Still, Shadowhouse or Agnes Circle, if not they're some awesome bands to check out.
@Joseph P This distinction isn't really useful. Ask some French Wave/Goth fans from the glory 80s. They described Goth bands such as Siouxsie as Cold Wave. To them, even Joy Division was Cold Wave. Same in Germany. In German magazines Gothic Rock was called Dark Wave. There are tons of magazines of the 80s and 90s that describe Goth bands as Dark Wave. German bands such as Garden of Delight, The Merry Thoughts, Pink Turns Blue, Girls Under Glass, Marquee Moon... They all were called Dark Wave. Also The Mission UK and Fields of The Nephilim
@@daisaigai7 Okay... That may be the case but if your someone who didn't grow up in the heyday when researching genres there is some distinction. Coldwave/Touching Pop, bands like Asylum Party, Marquis De Sade, Babel 17, Mary Goes Round, Little Nemo and Twilight Ritual to name a few have a sound similar but different from Post-Punk and goth bands. If we are to go off what the media and newspaper articles said in the dawn of an era, The Doors were reffered to as Gothic Rock. At the beginning of the Post-Punk Goth scene it was even referred to as positive punk. Darkwave definitely evolved out of Goth Rock and New Wave it has a very distinct sound, bands/musicians like Gary Numan, Xymox, Attrition, Pink Turns Blue, Paralyzed Age, Rosetta Stone, Diary of Dreams, Shadowhouse... Anyways I could go on from the perspective of someone studying music who didn't actually live in the scene at the time.
@Joseph P I don't know what "Touching Pop" means. Never heard before. Asylum Party and other bands sound like their British forerunners. The difference is the language. It's just a French type of Post-Punk/Dark Wave. Dark Wave didn't evolve out of Gothic Rock. Dark Wave includes Gothic Rock. It's just one type of Dark Wave music. Many Gothic Rock bands have been described as New Wave, includng Sisters of Mercy and others. But it was "dark New Wave" compared to other New Wave bands. That's the entire story.
Ok you mentioned one of the groups I played in . We never considered all this , It purely started with a few rifts on a guitar or a few lines worked out in the bath . We didn't Know this was to be tabled as Goth or any other category . Does it sound good yup just add a bit here and hope everyone likes it within the band . It was a lot more about egos than technical structure
I love all of the groups I mentioned so you did a fantastic job! The organizational theory is more the reasoning behind why I place certain music into particular categories.
Hey Kelly. Wow, what a great video. I'm going to watch this a few times to understand it fully, but it is a really informative piece. 5 years ago, I would just mistakenly call all Goth 'Darkwave', without even caring if that was wrong (the joys of ignorance).... Do you like any Neoclassical Dark wave music? Although I love predominantly Goth Rock, I'm a big fan of groups like Dark Sanctuary and Autumn Tears etc.
I know I’m very late but I am just now getting into the goth subculture and music explanations like this one and I feel very lost because maybe some things you explained are a bit complicated and /or detailed.I was wondering what would you suggest to do to start understanding the differences between genres and bands?Like I can’t really tell the difference between new wave, cold wave, dark, wave, synth wave and especially i can’t really explain them and describe them and i want to learn how to☹️🙏🏻
@@CadaverKelly no way I just took a look at it and it really is very helpful, there are so many band mentioned for every genre and the explanation, just what I needed.And I really love even how your site is presented.Thank you really for sharing these videos and a detailed site with explanations with us💜🦇
Goth is weird. Originally it was a small british thing and called "Gothic". It referred to the more dark and "bizarre" soundscapes of Joy Division and the Banshees, it wasn't a genre then. "Goth" was a term affiliated with some Sex Gang Children fans. Bands like Brigandage and Blood&Roses were dubbed "Positive Punk". The "Raincoat" scene were a style and a group of Bands too, including early the Cure. Then there was the Batcave scene with Bands like Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend. Later fashions were the "Cureheads" and the "Bonanzas". The Press threw all of this together in one big pot. And strangely suddenly it became synonymous with the Sisters of Mercy who had little to do with those scenes at all and even hated most of it. You won't come far with analyzing the term musically, those bands were ALL extremely different. That was half of the fun at the beginning, and too many Sisters-clones and bands drifting away into Metal and post-industrial was what killed it. Eventually Goth became associated only wirh certain fashions and ways to style and dress...
I need more of goth music theory in my life, it would be absolutely awesome to see more content like this!
You got it! I’ll be talking a lot about music on this channel. I’ll be doing more sound analysis videos like this in the future as well. 😊
@@CadaverKelly So exciting, I'll be looking forward to those!
I Play Guitar and sing in a Band.I am influenced by many Styles and Genres.I never think about what I am doing when I make a new Song and it's always funny to hear what the people hear in our Music. That keeps it entertaining.
I enjoyed this video. Goth + education is always a win for me. I listen to different goth genres, but I can't always explain in words the differences. I appreciate your break down of the subgenres.
Thanks so much! I’m sure I will be doing more genre analysis videos in the future since there are so many nuances to explore 😊
I studied music in college and I'm an older goth, and from both perspectives, you explained this all very well :)
Thank you! I really appreciate the feedback 😃
I didn't understand a lot of the musical terms (not yet) but this was really easy and complete. Definitely a way better than searching all the sub-genres and trying to figure it out the differences
I’m glad it was helpful! 😊 It makes a lot more sense to start at the larger categories (like rock) and work your way down to hear some of the more subtle differences.
You did a great job here, organized, well thought out and no nonsense. Great introduction.
music theory is such an interesting concept (AND ONE IM STILL TRYING TO LEARN 😭) sometimes i just like to listen, and other times i get intrigued and start trying to analyze (and failing). and i hear distinctions in the artists i listen to, but i rlly wanted to narrow it down some more. thanks for this!!!
I love your videos! I really appreciate content on the subculture that goes beyond the more "immediate" aspects of it that can be shown off, and that deal a little more with artistry and thought put into the subculture.
Thank you so much! 🖤
Drab Majesty has more of an 80's club vibe to me compared to the other darkwave bands I listen to. I could see Drab Majesty making it to the radio, that's how much more overpowering their synth and dreamy sound is.
Exactly! Still some fantastic music, though. 😊
Sorry if I appear to be spamming your channel with multiple posts, but as a lover of PostPunk, Deathrock, Goth, and most other similar dark genres of rock, I really think that yours is probably the most accurate and most thoughtful channel I've found on here. Great work. You do your research AND you love the music (it shows). Subscribing!
Thank you so much and welcome!
There is something that many people didn't realize: Most of the early Gothic bands used one guitar and one bass guitar. Later Goth bands such as Fields of the Nephilim use two guitars. That creates a bigger Rock feel. Some early stuff by the Fields sounds less rock-oriented, A track like *"Dark Cell"* uses one guitar and one bass guitar. It sounds completely different.
Some of us use bass and violin, no other guitars at all.
I'm definitely not an academic nor a musician, but I've researched a lot of music genres! I think you're very good at explaining music terms in a simple way. I love your videos, you seem lovely and friendly and you're a great addition in the gothic youtube🖤
Thank you so much! I’m glad you liked it 😊
Fun Fact: Goth and Emo were originally subgenres of Punk, and punk was originally a subgenre of Rock music.
It's rather obvious with Rock, Metal and Punk.
hey, thanks so much for making videos like this, im making an essay debating why goth is a music based subculture in school. again, thanks so much. :)
This video is so informative, I swear I'm always learning something new and interesting whenever I visit your channel :)
Thank you! I’m so glad to hear it. 😊
Excellent analysis - kudos for recognising the hard rock contribution to goth rock. A lot of younger goths tend to overlook it completely.
Thanks, Kelly! I studied music, too (was a music minor in college and a musician for a while), so this was very interesting to me. :)
Awesome! I’m glad to hear from a fellow musician 😊
Thank u for this been trying to understand the music theory of goth becuz ive been thinking of potentially making my own music so this really helped
This is so informative, wonderful video :)) !
I really enjoyed the way you organize music. :) Thank You!
As a musician who is studying on music theory and loves post punk and goth rock, this is pretty accurate and I can easily say this is a great video :)
Thanks for this. You explained the genres really well😊
Thank you for watching! 😊
My favorite video you have made so far, and I'm pretty sure I just went to school on Gothic music. I think everyone should know some music theory. Thank You.
You and I seem to have a similar - enough background in music (fifteen years of voice training, four years of viola, about three years general music theory), so I'm not at all surprised that I'm largely in agreement with this.
Though my mother, in her own words, "abandoned a mediocre career in the operatic chorus to be a [Frank Zappa] groupie," was obviously a classical musician, she dove headfirst into the experimental genres that began emerging in the late 1960s, and passed that enthusiasm onto me. While it can be interesting to sort out my music collection by subgenre and sub-subgenre and all, I more often than not tend to sort out my mp3, LP, and CD collections by Mood, or other themes (like music appropriate for my home Pagan rituals, or what kind of events I'd DJ at with it - I've done both Gothic/New Wave and Mod/Ska events). At the end of the day, I tend to just be all, "Goth is Goth is Goth, and I know it when I hear it," and nit-picking genre is often little more than mental masturba+ion - which doesn't mean that it lacks value (unless one is just REALLY bad at it, I suppose), it is means that there's simply a time and place to do it.
Great video.
Thank you! 😊
I love how deep and thoughtful this video is !
Thanks so much, Kelly, for bringing this information to us. I appreciate how the goth could be so diverse and mixed at the same time. Coldwave, gothic rock and darkwave are my favourite.
As a musician this helps. I’ve been trying to add goth music to my bands music. We’re like industrial black metal with death metal, symphonic, Darkwave, and other styles added
Kelly, this was awesome, I learned a few things from it, thanks!
I’m so glad to hear it. Thank you for watching! 😊🦇
Wow. You nailed it.
Excellent video. Just what I was looking for. Thank you so much for sharing smart and fabulous content.
I like your video. constructive criticism: i'd like more examples of bands/musicians that exemplify a style (early goth/80s goth rock/darkwave/etc). we usually get two or three bands but i always just want a couple more! I also think the articulation section needs fleshing out. i don't see much of stacatto ANYTHING in the song "spellbound," the only empty space in the vocal melody being in the rests. I will say however that during the chorus of the song the diction/consonants are much more pronounced (though no stacatto separation; rather the notes are accented). I think this distinction is so important because Siouxsie's heavier diction in the chorus creates an affective/emotive contrast in relation to the rest of the song. If you'd like to hear a little more stacatto in Siouxsie listen to "switch." The chorus really contrasts the rest of the song and the guitar part there is as stacatto as the band really gets, while Sioixsie has some rests/space in the chorus and even a little in the rest of the song, but I still think you could dig up some more apt examples of vocal stacatto/tremolo in goth singing and that would totally rule. Thanks for these videos!
Danny Vogel Thank you for the feedback! I’m always looking to improve my content. I’m going to do videos talking about more artists and mention their styles more 😊
you're knowledge of the genre seems extensive, I'm happy to see what you come up with next. very enjoyable.
Great video, much better than a lot of the information that can be found on the internet these days. You have a new subscriber :)
Thank you! 😊🦇
wow Kelly, such informative video girl!!! yeeeeees! Btw I love darkwave, that was thing that drive me into the gothic community, then gothic rock and post punk, and now I like synth too, pretty much focused in the 80s style that's my thing. I'm glad that there are new bands doing good music too! anyways, thanks for this video this is the contect I like in my gothtubers! honest talk why don't you have more subs! I'm blessed!
Thank you so much! 🖤
+Ashy DR: Darkwave was what did it for me too, which makes sense 'cause I grew up (and still love) '80s New Wave. 💜
Another ghost friend!
I've really been loving your videos! You give the TH-cam goth community a breath of fresh air. I look forward to your next video! 🦇🦇🦇
Thank you so much! 🦇
@@CadaverKelly You're welcome, my dear! World Goth Day is in two months.
Thank you for this!! I think about classifying music all the time, but I don't have the technical knowledge or the trained ear to actually do it XD I'd love to see more videos like this! I'm subscribing and checking out your other videos now; I love hearing people talk about the music!! 🖤
Thank you for the sub and welcome! 😃
I truly appreciate this video more than any other I saw about the essence of Goth which, on my perspective, is art... I've found this essence it's more focus in music than (although literature, visual arts, and social history have been the raw inspiration to musicians dedicated to the 'Goth' concept), music has been the most fluent way of expression, besides our own sense of style.
This video is helpful because ex.: in my community, there's a lot of people that take the term 'Goth' to associate it with anything that reflects any mysterious behavior, concept or aesthetic (Black Metal, Symphonic Metal, Industrial, EBM, and Darkwave in some cases).
What that people ignore is the fact that because at the time, since metalheads, cybers and goth were minorities, the best choice sometimes (and in some countries) was to share the venue. So the inspiration might be the same but not all mysterious things are Goth. This video clarifies it in a polite and educative way and that's very important to me. That all the Goth enthusiast that doesn't know much can reach out to this amazing source of information with no shame at all.
Thanks a lot!
Thank you for watching! 😊
learning alot, thanks so much love your channel !!!! keep up the great work!! I "Thought" I was Goth back in the days and feel like it was all a lie lol :)
Excellent video!
Another great video, thanks for recommending it!
I love New wave, Coldwave and Darkwave in addition to Goth Rock (and a bunch of other stuff)
Have you listened to, The Rope, Second Still, Shadowhouse or Agnes Circle, if not they're some awesome bands to check out.
I have! They are great. 😊
@Joseph P
This distinction isn't really useful. Ask some French Wave/Goth fans from the glory 80s. They described Goth bands such as Siouxsie as Cold Wave. To them, even Joy Division was Cold Wave.
Same in Germany. In German magazines Gothic Rock was called Dark Wave. There are tons of magazines of the 80s and 90s that describe Goth bands as Dark Wave. German bands such as Garden of Delight, The Merry Thoughts, Pink Turns Blue, Girls Under Glass, Marquee Moon... They all were called Dark Wave. Also The Mission UK and Fields of The Nephilim
@@daisaigai7 Okay...
That may be the case but if your someone who didn't grow up in the heyday when researching genres there is some distinction.
Coldwave/Touching Pop, bands like Asylum Party, Marquis De Sade, Babel 17, Mary Goes Round, Little Nemo and Twilight Ritual to name a few have a sound similar but different from Post-Punk and goth bands.
If we are to go off what the media and newspaper articles said in the dawn of an era, The Doors were reffered to as Gothic Rock. At the beginning of the Post-Punk Goth scene it was even referred to as positive punk.
Darkwave definitely evolved out of Goth Rock and New Wave it has a very distinct sound, bands/musicians like Gary Numan, Xymox, Attrition, Pink Turns Blue, Paralyzed Age, Rosetta Stone, Diary of Dreams, Shadowhouse... Anyways I could go on from the perspective of someone studying music who didn't actually live in the scene at the time.
@Joseph P
I don't know what "Touching Pop" means. Never heard before. Asylum Party and other bands sound like their British forerunners. The difference is the language. It's just a French type of Post-Punk/Dark Wave.
Dark Wave didn't evolve out of Gothic Rock. Dark Wave includes Gothic Rock. It's just one type of Dark Wave music. Many Gothic Rock bands have been described as New Wave, includng Sisters of Mercy and others. But it was "dark New Wave" compared to other New Wave bands. That's the entire story.
Ok you mentioned one of the groups I played in . We never considered all this , It purely started with a few rifts on a guitar or a few lines worked out in the bath . We didn't Know this was to be tabled as Goth or any other category .
Does it sound good yup just add a bit here and hope everyone likes it within the band . It was a lot more about egos than technical structure
I love all of the groups I mentioned so you did a fantastic job! The organizational theory is more the reasoning behind why I place certain music into particular categories.
Hey Kelly. Wow, what a great video. I'm going to watch this a few times to understand it fully, but it is a really informative piece. 5 years ago, I would just mistakenly call all Goth 'Darkwave', without even caring if that was wrong (the joys of ignorance)....
Do you like any Neoclassical Dark wave music? Although I love predominantly Goth Rock, I'm a big fan of groups like Dark Sanctuary and Autumn Tears etc.
Thanks for watching! Neoclassical darkwave isn’t really my thing. It’s not bad but not my favorite either.
I know I’m very late but I am just now getting into the goth subculture and music explanations like this one and I feel very lost because maybe some things you explained are a bit complicated and /or detailed.I was wondering what would you suggest to do to start understanding the differences between genres and bands?Like I can’t really tell the difference between new wave, cold wave, dark, wave, synth wave and especially i can’t really explain them and describe them and i want to learn how to☹️🙏🏻
Hello! I have this categorized list of band recommendations on my website that may help:
cadaverkelly.com/2019/01/09/music-favorites-master-list/
@@CadaverKelly no way I just took a look at it and it really is very helpful, there are so many band mentioned for every genre and the explanation, just what I needed.And I really love even how your site is presented.Thank you really for sharing these videos and a detailed site with explanations with us💜🦇
I agree one of them it's Blutengel
Aren't Cocteau Twins ethereal wave too?
but andrew eldritch denies that they were a goth rock band, why? Thanks for the video btw
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What song was playing at the ending of this video?
It's a royalty free track from the TH-cam free audio library called "It Devours." Here's the link:
th-cam.com/video/n6WRJ19QoY0/w-d-xo.html
I'd rather be dead than be a goth
Goth is weird. Originally it was a small british thing and called "Gothic". It referred to the more dark and "bizarre" soundscapes of Joy Division and the Banshees, it wasn't a genre then. "Goth" was a term affiliated with some Sex Gang Children fans. Bands like Brigandage and Blood&Roses were dubbed "Positive Punk". The "Raincoat" scene were a style and a group of Bands too, including early the Cure. Then there was the Batcave scene with Bands like Specimen and Alien Sex Fiend. Later fashions were the "Cureheads" and the "Bonanzas". The Press threw all of this together in one big pot. And strangely suddenly it became synonymous with the Sisters of Mercy who had little to do with those scenes at all and even hated most of it. You won't come far with analyzing the term musically, those bands were ALL extremely different. That was half of the fun at the beginning, and too many Sisters-clones and bands drifting away into Metal and post-industrial was what killed it. Eventually Goth became associated only wirh certain fashions and ways to style and dress...
This is just how I organize my music collection based on similar sounds. It ain’t that deep. 😆
Exactly. I have Punky/Hardcory bands/Darkwavey/Gothy bands and hard electronic/Industrial type of bands. Plus New Wave/Numusick/80ies pop.
What do u. Think of heath goth
I have to say that you are absolutely gorgeous
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Lol Eeks Mel Doichland, Let me phonetically say it for you.. EX - MAL DOICHLAND.
It actually is pronounced like "eeks." They are a German band. That's how you say X in German.
Most subjondras came from wicca