Welcome, all! I hope this video can be cathartic for those of you who grew up like i did. Also, I hope to continue to shine a light on the harm of this religion whether fundamental or progressive. At the very least, i hope to entertain and educate a bit with these crazy stories from my childhood. Please give this one a like, comment, and share if you find it useful.
On your first point, I grew up in the Church of Christ. I was taught that God allowed demon possession in the 1st century so that Jesus could show his power. I was taught that demons weren't allowed on earth anymore since the spiritual gifts ceased because we don't need miracles anymore since the word of God was complete. However, when I went to Mexico to preach, even though I was still in the Church of Christ, it was a different culture. Many of the church of Christ Christians in Mexico do believe that demons are still on Earth, they believe in ghosts, and for a while, I told them that it wasn't possible. However, in my mind, I became scared and thought, could they really be here? I then started seeing shadow figures. The mind is so powerful, but it's also tricky. The mind can make your eyes see things that aren't really there. Now that I'm an atheist, I know it was just my mind playing tricks on me, but it was scary when I thought I was seeing shadow figures who I thought were demons.
Brandon, in all love and respect, you are really messing up by making all these videos. You have become the enemy of all that is good. There is literally hell to pay for such treason. First, you are tacitly approving child sex trafficking. That is, since atheists have no basis for morality, you therefore cannot condemn any behavior as being 'evil.' You can only tell the world that you make your own rules so everyone else is free to do the same. Hell is going to be a terrible place, but there are degrees. It will be worse for some, such as those who are blatantly attacking the way. The truth is the most important commodity on earth. By your own admission (I would hope), you do not claim to know the ultimate truths about life, its purpose, and its destiny. Do you not freely admit that, led by your limited, biased, and fallible intellect, you could definitely be wrong in making these horrifically evil videos? Will you even admit that? You are in the dark. I do not know if you have a background with the Christian faith, but I know, of a certainty, that you were never a Christian. That is because God is real. He made everything. He doesn't make sense to you because you cannot match God's intelligence nor His goodness. A Christian is someone who knows God. That is why I have absolute assurance because God is real and I know Him. You can know Christ. You cannot say that I did not warn you! Heaven is real, but all liars will have their place in the lake of fire! Know that if you scoff, you do so to your own eternal peril. One way or another, it won't affect my eternity! I just hope and pray that you will make things right with God. He died upon a Cross so that you may know Him - just by asking. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
i didnt see the love and respect in telling me I approve of child trafficking. Your comments are disgusting, but are a great example of the reality of what I speak about in this video. @@kenshiloh
@@kenshilohAs an atheist, my morality comes from empathy and from common sense. That which I wouldn't want done to me, I don't do to others. Just as I wouldn't want my own children to be traff.icked, I don't want other people's children to be traff.icked By the way, you should read your Bible. I say read and not re-read because I can tell that you haven't read it. In Numbers 25, God told the israelites to kill all of the men, non-virgin women, boys, and infant boys and to spare only the virgin girls. What were a bunch of horny israelite soldiers going to do to virgin girls? That itself is genocide, kidnapping, and traff.icking. Your God is also proslavery. Leviticus 25:44-46 [44] So your male slave and your female slave will be of the people that are around you; From them you can buy male and female slaves. [45] You may also buy from the children of the strangers who live among you, and from their families born in your land, who are with you, whom you may possess. [46] And you may leave them as an inheritance to your children after you, as an hereditary possession; you will use them forever; But among your brothers the children of Israel you shall not rule each one over his brother harshly. Exodus 21:20-21 [20] And if a man strikes his servant or his maidservant with a stick, and dies under his hand, he shall be punished; [21] But if he survives for a day or two, he will not be punished, because he is his property. According to the Bible, if you were my slave, I could hurt you however much I desire to do so and I could cause you all the pain I wato to inflict upon you and as long as you don't die, your God is ok with that. I read scriptures like that, and I am filled with disgust and anger. That there are slaves and masters, masters whose property is a slave who has to serve his master and who can be whipped by his master, makes me so disgusted and angry. I cannot defend writings like that. It's immoral. Slavery is immoral. In the new testament it says in Ephesians 6:5 [5] Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in simplicity of heart, as Christ; And to Christian masters it says Ephesians 6:9 [9] And you, masters, do the same to them, forsaking threats, knowing that their Lord and yours is in heaven, and that with him there is no partiality. If God was really against slavery, he would have said MASTERS FREE YOUR FUCKING SLAVES AND LEAVE THEM ALONE BECAUSE EVERY HUMAN BEING DESERVES TO LIVE THEIR LIFE FREELY. According to the scriptures that I mentioned to you, biblically, it was okay for Europeans to go to Africa and make slaves and take them to the Americas. The Bible literally approves of this horrible barbarity. God is for that. It is awful. I can't see any positive side to slavery. It's horrible and shouldn't exist. If this God believes that it is okay for a person to be the property of another person and that when the master dies he can continue to be the slave of his children and the slave's children will also be slaves. I can't justify that. As an atheist, I posit that my own morality may exceeds the principles depicted in certain Biblical narratives, as I do not condone actions such as slavery, genocide, or the extreme punitive measures for transgressions like disobedience, homosexuality which has been scientifically been proven to be a natural part of some people's sexual identity and not a personal choice, or blasphemy that are sometimes associated with religious edicts. So, get out of here with your garbage. You're ignorant.
@@MindShift-Brandon Since I'm an atheist, I can't base my morality on anything. As if empathy and common sense weren't a thing. Also, God has been proven to be pro slavery, pro genocide, anti-feminist, and racist.
I feel seen. The alienation of non-Christians (or different types of Christians,) was a huge part of my childhood. I probably missed out on a lot of relationships because I viewed others as "enemies. "
Hopefully the time missed with toxic relations was getting to know markb7135 better...and at least having fun. The scars of trauma from dystopian thinking don't make everyone stronger. Hugs from a person who enjoyed not being part of that crowd and finds those outside of it, who just view life without dogma or selfishness, the best kind of folks to 'hang" with. Regards.
@@jshud3Yes, when I realized Yahweh was originally a war god, and was turned into the One God, it all made so much more sense. If the only god you have is a war god, then your life is going to be all war.
My whole family got sucked into the I Found It movement in the early 1970s, I was about 22. The same charismatic movement that made Pentecostal practices more mainstream. Tongues (glossolalia), slain in the spirit, “healing” services and all. My dad became a pastor at around 50, my brother became a pastor, my sister and I taught Sunday School and VBS. I attended an Assembly of God church for a few years, then my brother’s non-denominational charismatic church. For almost 40 years I was a faithful follower. Never experiencing anything “spiritual “, having a single prayer answered or even knowing anyone who did left me feeling personally rejected and questioning the entire manmade cult. As a non-traditional college student the answers found in science and history made a lot more sense to me than the Bible’s fairytales. Traveling the world as a flight attendant showed me how every culture creates their own belief system. None are real or factually based. I have been free for about 10 years and it is completely liberating! I will never live in The Dark Ages again! My enlightenment came late in life but, at least it happened! Congrats to you Brandon for breaking free young enough to save your children from the guilt and shame produced by the dogma. I hope your wife has an epiphany soon! So much easier to be on the same path through life. My husband was resistant for a long time but, slowly he is coming around. Hard to change tracks later in life!
Thanks so much for this. So encouraging to hear about your husband. My wife and i had one of our best convos yet just last night via religion. I still see no end insight for her, but had my first glimmer of faint hope.
@@MindShift-Brandon The pandemic helped speed up my husband’s thought process in questioning the whole mythology. Just having that break from consistent re-enforcement of the cult beliefs was enormously helpful. He isn’t all the way there yet but, he is close! When I was still flying I had to work almost every Sundayl The break from re-indoctrination was all I needed to finish off what the science and exposure to other cultures had begun. Ever think of an extended holiday to a remote location? He, he, he! 😆 Just like deconverting a Moonie!
At risk of sounding like a broken record fantastic episode, Brandon. The honesty and sincerity and accurate information introduces exposes reality within the Christian faith, and actually opens the door for conversation. Thank you for what you do.
You made me think about a time in after school religion class where I inadvertently “toed the line” in terms of the dogma of Catholicism. Around the time I was learning about the saints, I was learning about Greek Mythology in public school. I learned about the twelve major Olympian gods at the same time I was learning about the Twelve Apostles. Back to the point, in after school religion class we were learning about the saints. I, very cluelessly, raised my hand and asked, “Are the saints in anyway like the minor gods and goddesses in other religions?” The room went cold. My teacher gave me an icy glare. I was scared but I didn’t quite know what I said that was wrong. Next week, we had a lesson where we were taught about the “veneration” of the Saints as opposed to the worship of Christ. With hindsight being 20/20, I think my theological faux pas was the cause of the lesson. I never brought up polytheism again and, rather than praying to not go to hell, I prayed that the teacher wouldn’t punish me or worse, I prayed that the other kids wouldn’t beat me up after class. Odd how I feared earthly punishment more than divine punishment. Oh well, off to Room 101 I go! 😄
I wondered about this too! I didn't start really learning about religion until 7th grade when I went from public to Catholic school, and it just seemed to me like saints were lesser deities. I mean, why did you have to pray to a saint to pray on your behalf? Why not just talk straight to the Big Guy Himself? That's what my mom taught me. (Mom was raised Catholic, but hated the way the priests and nuns ran things. She never quite got over the faith though.) The worship of the Virgin Mary was really just a way of appropriating the mother fertility goddesses of the European pagan religions to make Christianity more palpable when Rome was forcing everyone to convert. But no, the Church is not anything like any other faith in the world. Nope, they're the real deal because they say so!
😂 the side eye, being told to stop asking questions and just have faith at my first catechism class let me know immediately that this was just doctrine school: write down what you're told and cram it so you can pass a test so you never have to do it again.
Honestly I believe this is a reason why syncretism with pagan faiths and beliefs kmost often indigenous) happens much more commonly in Catholicism than it does with other forms of Christianity. So many Catholic "saints" are actually pagan figures who were adapted into Christianity, like the Celtic goddess Brigid and Saint Bridget of Ireland, and how Catholicism and folk beliefs are heavily intertwined in Latin America.
Total fantastical INSANITY !!! I've been there, almost exactly the same situation as you, Brandon. What a nightmare we had to endure!! Getting out of Christianity is the best thing you can do
Brandon it takes courage to expose yourself and the broken mindset of your journey. I really think you are helping others who are struggling with their own personal journey out of a religious upbringing. As I read thru the comments in this video it is staggering to see how many people struggle with deconstructing, all because they were targeted as children.
As a life long atheist who loves your channel, your stories about your mom were hilarious, and tragic and sad, and loving, and I get your understanding of her too!
As a devoted christian kid, I remember my goal was to please god so much with my prayer that I'd be blessed with falling on the Spirit (that's how they called it in the church i grew up) and it never happened, it would frustrate me so bad that I would literally go to the bathroom to cry in the middle of the service
You hit the nail on the head regarding the alter call stories. It is so funny to listen to you describe what many of us went through although I was older than you when I experienced this nevertheless the same stuff happened. Of course, it wasn't funny at the time but now I can smile when I recall the experiences. Oh, and prophecies too. I was told by someone with the "word of knowledge" that I was to become a minister to the cults and occults and then later at another church I was also expected to become a minister. When it didn't happen the scripture "many are called but few are chosen" was the reason given me. The truth is I was dedicated to Jesus but I chose not to climb the corporate later, or in this case chose not to climb the church latter, because I didn't want to earn anything, instead I wanted it to be by the power of the holy spirit, I wasn't going to be a fake. Decades went by and after a bad experience with a lawsuit where I saw how the truth can be manipulated by attorneys I decided I would always, always be objective and look at things from multiple points of view to be intellectual honest as humanly possible. Thus I began to study everything I could related to my faith, not to debunk Christianity I still wanted it to be true but I had to pursue honesty not matter what. Unfortunately or should I say fortunately the day came when I had to admit to myself Christianity wasn't true. I wanted to be true so badly that upon the realization it wasn't I was sick for weeks and couldn't eat and I told family that I had the flu because I didn't want to hurt anyone by letting them know I was no longer a believer.
Long one so bare with me, I'm not religious, I wasn't raised religious but my mom is Christian but more on the soft Christian side so I thankfully wasn't indoctrinated thank FUCK! But... In.. 2016 I was forced into a foster care because my mom was doing drugs she shouldn't of been doing, and me and my sister got taken into foster care. We went to a pentecostal family, nice bunch thankfully, but we were both forced to go to church every Wednesday and Sunday and I HATED it. Didn't say so, but I didn't like it, as a kid with Asperger's and Hydrocephalus it rubbed me the wrong way and more than anything freaked me out. My sister was Baptized, I wasn't because being a shy 14 year old teenager, I was not going up in front of people, I was scared shitless. And... I seen these people run up and down the isles and I kept thinking to myself, "What on earth am I witnessing?" And I just DIED laughing, I couldn't help my self it was funny as shit. I didn't get in trouble thankfully, but looking back on it as a now nearly 22 year old it was weird. And I didn't feel no "Godly" presence, or anything just weird biological high blood pressure from being scared and weirded out. And no one said a word. I was in youth group and every time they would pray I would just close my eyes and go along with it, didn't say anything was just embarrassed. And that started my whole "Is this legit?" Downslope. And that went on for 6 months. And it just got more numb and numb about it. Didn't feel anything God related, I through I was doing something wrong till one day it clicked because I was telling them about how my brothers died, one before I was born and one at the time died very recently (he hung himself in his high school bathroom in 2014) So it was still a fresh wound, and I remember being told I would one day see both of them again and I fucking broke. I didn't get to know either of them as Kaleb died 2 months after his birth and was before I was born and my oldest brother Casey I got to only met twice, I met him for like an hour in total. And that, along side seeing the tongues and weird running up and down isles the gears in my head went off and was telling me "this isn't normal" and ever sense I've been skeptical. And fuck even now I've recently had a mental break down and shouted why all this stuff was happening to me, lost of my brothers, why I was forced into foster care for those 6 months, why I went through heartbreak after heartbreak when all I wanted was a soul mate. And when I got no signs... No answers... I finally clicked and concluded I finally escaped "Agnostic" and shifted more towards "Agnostic Atheist" where I'm open minded to the idea of religion if given the right evidence but I'm far more Atheist at this point. I've been through hell... The last 22 years of my life. Multple surgeries, my dad never being there, my mom having drug issues in the past, my brothers dying and being the only son in a all female household with both Asperger's and Hydrocephalus. It's hard... And I've just kinda dismissed the whole religion thing, and told myself the only way I'd believe it, is if I have evidence. And sense have adopted a more scientific mindset of both evidence and testing theories. I even went a step further read the whole old testament with a new prospect and holy shit... I'm happy I wasn't indoctrinated because I don't understand how anyone can follow this with a sane mindset. Its insanity. And the conflicts of there being 3k God's, even more religions, there being no material evidence of any of it being true. I've finally escaped that religious mindset I was told about here and there growing up and seen with the whole foster care thing. It's been rough... Very much so... Having the disability I have it's hard to wrap my head around religion in general. And the only way I'd believe it at this point is if God or Jesus themselves, himself what ever, was spawned in front of me and turned me into a damn goldfish. That's the only way I'd believe it anymore.
My freshman year at (a Christian) college, I was walking to class one very quiet morning with no one around, and the fountain at the center of the campus had red liquid in it. For a good long minute, I thought I'd been Left Behind(tm) and the fountain water had turned to blood. ...It was April Fool's Day. The red was Kool-Aid some seniors put in the fountain.
42:50 Simpson's? Hah, hah! What about "Bevis and Butthead" or "Family Guy"? I LOVE "Stewie," that psycho toddler with the British accent! 😄 Oops, yeah, I forgot "Southpark"!
My 5 yo loves telling me about his imaginary friend Cuzzie. When I was his age I imagined Jesus loved me. His version is going to be A LOT easier to outgrow.
Oh to have siblings who are still in it. Wasting their time "travailing" for me and my family to come back to church at alter call (as I did MANY times for others when I was in) - I remember believing that I was actually doing something... But now that those same efforts are towards me I realized that I was just wasting my time. I hope one day my siblings will come to. I still keep in contact with them in hopes to be there for my neices and nephews if they ever go through deconstruction when they become of age. It's a lonely and scary time in someones life. I wouldn't be suprised to hear that many of you stay in contact with your christian family for similar reasons. We want to help them. The hardest part of dealing with cults is that you CANNOT call them out on it. You have to wait... It's like watching someone destroy their life while you are powerless to help them. Best I can do it love them, and hope one day that they will open their minds to think for THEMSELVES. I'll be there ready to support them.
＼(^-^)／ This is the artistic proof that the universe was created. When you paint a shadow its the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
The adults teach all this terrifying shit to children then they're surprised and annoyed when children respond to that information poorly or with extreme fear. So intelligent
When I was in Pre-K, my parents celebrated Passover by having us watch the Charlton Hesston "Moses" film and explaining in detail the killing of the first born. I refused to go to bed until my parents put lamb's blood on our bedroom door. My dad humored me by putting a cup of blood over the doorway, but I kept crying that they didn't do it right. I stayed up all night watching the door, terrified a spirit would come in and kill my brother. Needless to say we never celebrated Passover again.
Wow. And what’s even more remarkable is how no one in the Christian and Jewish faiths cared about the innocent Egyptians kids slaughtered by the Israelites dead angels…a Sacarii.
@@MindShift-Brandon I just got to your part about music. I also heard the "rap is from the devil" thing, and believed that until I was fourteen. And, I actually have no idea where that belief is supposed to come from Biblically.
I remembered hearing that and Googling to see if it was true. The first result I got was of footage of the FIRST recorded rap song- it was a spoken-word Gospel song about Noah’s Ark, rapped and sung by The Jubilaires. That put the whole “rap is of the devil” thing to bed permanently for me.
@@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459 Aw, I heard that Jimi Hendrix was evil! So "naughty" me went and bought his "Are You Experienced" album. I will admit the track "Third Stone From the Sun" initially freaked me out, but not from thinking it was demonic; just nothing I had ever heard before.
@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459 That was eerie, but certainly not voices of "the damned." Methinks the tape got all out of whack from the strong magnetic fields in the area.
I got saved every week to because i didn't want miss the Rapture. I also i realize now that when a Pastor is preaching on something shameful or condemning, it is generally because he is dealing with the issues himself.
It took me years to figure this out. When a preacher gets up there and screams crossdressers are going to burn in hell they are actually dealing with their own fears and struggles. We experienced this many times. We would go to the "leader" in private conversation on a Wednesday and Sunday morning what we went to talk about was the subject of the sermon. It was horror. I am still dealing with the trauma of those days
#3 hits home with me. I actually would not hang out with an uncle of mine who loved me, because he actually drunk a beer now and then. Looking back it makes me sick. He wasn’t an alcoholic, he just had a beer now and then. I was only 12 or 13, was taken to church 3 times a week, and this was my thought process. I’m 54 now, I stopped by his house the other day…..and had a beer with him.😊
The eating of the bread is symbolic of the period from the spring equinox to the summer solstice. The drinking of the blood (WINE) is the period from the summer solstice to the autumn equinox. Charity is the winter season of sharing the harvest of summer. Faith = spring, Hope = summer, and Charity = winter.
Hilarious too since the roots of the faith makes a clear distinction between alcohol consumption and intoxication. Alcohol is a gift from God, acceptable to use socially. Drunkenness and alcoholism are an abuse of those gifts. Those who have formed an addiction are strongly advised to avoid alcohol. Most end up with your typical "healthy" relationship with alcohol -- consuming 1 to 3 drinks in social and family settings and rarely if ever consuming any when alone.
I remember that exact story about the Columbine shooting and as a kid I thought, "that's so stupid. You could say aloud that you deny God's existence and he will know you don't mean it". But people definitely praised her for defending an invisible deity that should be PROTECTING her if he's real. Imagine how many people would convert to Christianity if the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield. That would be a very powerful statement of a God's existence.
Look up what happened this year at Lakewood in Houston. Worse was that a "good guy" with a gun, not only killed the wacko with a gun (who did NOT shoot anyone) PLUS the "good guy" damaged, with a bullet, the brain of the innocent wacko's son. If there is a "universal entity", this "news story" sure is "teaching" something different than the Columbine story....if true...worse... there are nutcases who don't think school shootings happen !!
Ad. "Imagine how many people would convert to Christianity if the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield. That would be a very powerful statement of a God's existence." vs. Luke 16 "27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”" Let's try a test first whether "the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield" would make any sense: Is evidence in form of found blood cells in dinosour bones (cf. "REAL BLOOD CELLS IN 65 MILLION YEAR OLD DINOSAUR BONES?"), from logical perspective, leading you into belief in old ages of dinosaurs proclaimed by evolutionism or is it more compatible with Biblical account on origin of the world?
@@stefansevcik1877 Oh, are you refering to the repeatedly debunked misinterpretation of a study, WHICH AUTHOR HERSELF SAID IS MISINTERPRETED? And why is a book having some dude's opinion used as some proof that it won't work?
Solid…so very solid. I don’t talk a lot about this, but, in my late 20’s, the parental childhood abuse came to a head, and I deal with dissociation. My first husband insisted that we participate in very fundamentalist church groups and Bible studies, and so when their abuse (I realized that fundamentalism is extremely abusive) evoked dissociative reactions - the church folks would hold me down and try to drive the demons out What I needed (and finally got) was therapy with a trained psychologist, not being screamed over and told how horrible I was. I reached a point I could no longer deal with the Evangelical/Fundamentalist world, the Campus. Crusade witnessing campaigns, the women’s conferences where it was ‘be submissive, be in the kitchen, have children’, the Christian ‘bubble’ of Christian television, Christian bookstores, Christian schools, only other Christians as friends - I had to leave it behind I did become a Roman Catholic for a time, went through RCIA, even got a masters in theology from Loyola Marymount in 2008. I had been attracted to Roman Catholicism because there is some intellectual interest - the Doctors of the Church and Jesuits are extremely bright and rather mischievous (the priests at Loyola Marymount would say all kinds of things - on some level, they didn’t take it seriously). The child abuse scandal and the fact that half of humankind was denied any significant role - the whole Marian devotion, the WORSHIP, for all the Catholic protest that “we don’t worship Mary” is just a sop to women, something to be pointed to: “see! we value Mary!” - I couldn’t be a Roman Catholic any longer Watching the History Channel about WWII really caused me to wonder about the existence of God - how could this Being stand by while 70-80 million people died? How could God countenance slavery? child abuse? Poverty, disease and hunger? Thank you very much, Brandon
@@onedaya_martian1238Brandon's channel is my main go to channel, but there are lots of others too. Seen any vids of NonStampCollector? He's hilarious plus a fellow Aussie. He does ALL the speech himself!?
I did Quaker, loved that as it was concerned with helping people and not about what folks got up to in the bedroom. then I dabbled in Paganism as it was colourful but i thought it a bit silly so went Catholic as I loved the bells and smels, the statues and the pictures and renaisance music. Now i just enjoy the music, the churches and architecture and art, just like going into an old temple or mosque.
When your deity says if you die with a single sin on your soul then it's eternal torture with no chance of getting out, why WOULDN'T you adhere to the religion to the most extreme degree? According to their own book, all the not so extreme Christians are all going to hell.
@@MindShift-Brandon I thought the deal was that nobody, not even the most strict adherents, can be completely free of sin, but that's fine as long as you repent, admit that you're a terrible, broken person, and ask for the gift of salvation. But that's the issue of works vs faith that nobody can agree on, I guess. I want to know, however, when a Christian accuses atheists of "just wanting to sin", is it a good idea or not to respond that if you want to sin and get away with it, you should be a Christian, because then your sins will be forgiven?
@@reformCopyright Good point! Although a real Christian would not have that mentality. Personally, i chose to be a Calvinist because (I reasoned) if even 1% depended on me, i was doomed. Similar to Martin Luther and Paul the apostle, I KNEW that even my best thoughts or deeds were like filthy menstrual rags, so salvation had to be by faith ALONE, grace ALONE and Christ ALONE. And because "perfect love casts out all fear," i was not afraid of the future at all. All the other people in my home group were amazed that I had no fear, not even of God. I could understand Arminians thinking this way, because they are depending on their works to please God, but why would Reformed believers still be afraid? I think it's because they have fuzzy or polluted thinking on the topic. But no one has the time or interest to think it through.
But you already have to be extreme to believe anything like that in the first place. So yes, one extreme belief begets other extreme beliefs… but if you don’t have an initial extreme belief then you won’t develop more extreme beliefs and behaviors. That’s why cults aim to recruit young kids (gullible because they’re just little kids) and people in extreme desperate situations (willing to believe anything for a chance at hope and community).
@@emmanarotzky6565 Yep. I'm sure there is a connection between extremely religious people and things like conspiracy theorists. When you're made to believe total nonsense as fact then it's easier to believe other total nonsense as fact. Couple that with a strong in-group/out-group dynamic where YOU'RE the special one and everyone else not like you is bad and deserves the bad things that happen to them, and it's easy to convince people of just about anything. Just tell them they're special and they'll eat it up.
Yep my parents are in their 60's They still think he's coming back. But when I point out that he isn't going to Rapture anyone They always follow it up with He's coming back for everyone on the day they die So what can you say to that?
@christophergibson7155 Do you know how many times Christians have been COMPLETELY WRONG about Jesus Christ's Second Coming? Hal Lindsey one of my Father's favorite Christian authors once predicted that The 1980's was The Last Decade in Human History and he BOLDLY DECLARED that Jesus was coming back sometime 1985-1989 My Father still has the book. Everytime they're wrong Christians move the goal posts It's obvious Jesus isn't going to Rapture anyone anytime soon. The only thing Christians have going for them is the uncertainty of The Afterlife and what happens after we die.
@christophergibson7155 Do you know how many times Christians have been COMPLETELY WRONG about Jesus's Second Coming and than moved the goal posts? Hal Lindsey one of my Father's favorite Christian Authors wrote a book in 1985 which my father still has why The 1980's was the last decade in Human History. Hal Lindsey BOLDLY DECLARED that Jesus would be coming back before the year 1990. And he confessed to being upset when The Berlin Wall fell because it meant WWIII wasn't going to happen and therefore it wasn't likely The Second Coming would happen either. Christians always move the goal posts when their predictions are wrong. The only thing they have going for them is the uncertainty of what happens after we die in The After Life if there is one.
@christophergibson7155 that's backwards. Recieve, Believe, repent makes more sense. Recieve evidence of God's existence. Believe that evidence Repent of your sins to that God. How are you so bad at this? I guess not learning from your mistakes is why you continue to try to convert people in TH-cam comments.
Oh Brandon! Your point by point description of the altar call brought back so many memories' in the Southern Baptist Church. The guilt, the shame, the manipulation that I thought was the 'Holy Spirit'. It took me years to break free but I am now and living a more peaceful, fulfilled life than ever before. I love your channel!
@@MindShift-Brandon It was worth it. I triggered with you! Alter calls were always preceded by a story where some poor bastard was about to die in some way and at the last minute repented, barely missing going to hell. No wonder I was a bed wetter until I was six. Alter calls should come with free plastic sheets! 😳🥴🤫😭
Yes! It’s something you completely forget about when you stop going to church. At a funeral a few years ago, the speaker did an alter call and it brought it all rushing back.
@@larrytruelove8659 Playing dumb and denials by Evangelicals are rejected and dismissed at this point, by all non believers due to the horrible conduct and dishonorable character of the loudest, most hateful Christians the tens of millions of Cult-45 Evangelicals. This is not a non beliver perception problem. We know what we see, hear and suffer abuse from these Christians. This is Christianity's problem. And you won't convince us "they're not real Christians," and do you know why? They angrily retort the same thing back in reverse, and proclaim you're not a true Christian. And that's how the religion plays its gaslighting games.
@@larrytruelove8659 Playing dumb and denials by Evangelicals are rejected and dismissed at this point, by all non believers due to the conduct and character of the Evangelicals, the tens of millions of Cult-45 Evangelicals. This is _not_ a non beliver perception problem. We know what we see, hear and suffer abuse from these people. This is the religion's problem the everyone can see and hear. You can't hide it. And you won't convince us "they're not real belivers," and do you know why? They angrily retort the same thing back in reverse, and proclaim their detractors are not true belivers. And that's how the religion plays its gaslighting games.
@@larrytruelove8659 Of course you don't. But this is exactly the perception of non-believers. That means its not s non-belivers issue. It's a Christianity issue.
As a former catholic altar boy, while I hold no love for the catholic church, I'm still always surprised and appalled about how people are treated in the evangelical church.
Yes, I am grateful for my skeptical semi-practicing Catholic family. Some time ago my wife and I found "Thief in the Night" on TH-cam. She was terrified by it as a kid, and for her it still calls up disturbing feelings. But my Catholic background made me immune, I found it laughable.
The worst part of rapture anxiety by far is the guilt you feel for fearing the rapture. All the adults around you are excited, and you’re terrified you’ll never grow up… and you feel like a bad Christian for not also being excited.
Oh man, my mom was really into "End Time Prophecy" videos and they TERRIFIED ME as a child and sent me into an extremely dark and deep spiral of depression for years and years. i 100% believed that the world was going to end on september 23rd 2017 and it shattered my world. I just stayed in my room all day, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, i could go on and on and it wasn't just the end of the world but God himself and everything i read in the bible made me feel like a worthless piece of sh**. i started having suic*dal thoughts... ugh it was rough man.
I was utterly shocked that Apocalyptic dates were still given post 2000. There was such hype built around the new millennium that I thought that, when that failed, people would return to the more sensible (and more Biblical) notion of "No man knows the hour." One thing that I've always wondered is why, if adults REALLY believed that the End is near, they would even have children, go to university, get married, etc. Wouldn't they spend every moment of every day trying to save souls for the imminent destruction of everything? Makes no sense.
@@utubepunk Absolutely. Paul certainly seems to think that Jesus will return in Paul's generation or shortly there after, and that salvation/winning souls should be one's sole focus. Paul even says that marriage is only preferable if one cannot behave as a celibate and wishes to avoid hell for his sexual desire. Robert Price holds (and I agree) that Jesus' message only makes sense when one views it under the lens of Apocalypticism.
That story about the "demon possessed" boy broke my heart, both for him and for you + the other kids who were indoctrinated/conditioned into being complicit in his suffering
My Catholic mother attended an Assembly of God church for a few years when I was a kid. As someone with ASD, the constant noise, people moving and speaking violently, etc freaked me out and sent me into fits of withdrawal which of course were interpreted as demonic possession by the group. Nothing sends an autistic kid into more of a tailspin as having people touching her and screaming at her against her will. This happened many times. What finally made my mother stop going to the church was that my Jewish father (who never went because he thought that all Christian churches were the same) saw that I had stopped eating and was suicidal and asked why. It took a threat of divorce, not her kid becoming suicidal, to make my mother stop. I have informed her that if she ever rejoins, I am done with her for life. Everything Brandon said was true.
@@Charlotte_Martel Tears and hugs through the internet. Religious dogma IS a mental disorder, ASD is a physical issue requiring understanding, attention and care ... indoctrination is full on abuse.
@@jaynajuly2140 Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I am beyond grateful to my father for stepping in to stop this. It was especially difficult for him since he came from a traditional background where the mother rules the household, but he saved my life by doing so. I would have far rather that my mother beat me than to subject me to that torture.
One day, out of curiosity, I tried to conjure up Satan to see if he really existed, when to my surprise he suddenly appeared. I was terrified at how evil he was and I quickly banished him. Afterwards I realized that I had created Satan using the power of my own imagination. Later, when I tried to make God and Jesus appear, nothing happened.
The Creator KNOWS that thousands of years ago, Jesus Christ was hated, insulted, falsely accused, tortured, and murdered by arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons who were violently opposed and against Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". Atheists and Christians just can't accept the TRUTH about themselves. Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions KNOW and are fully aware that they are also opposed and against the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" exactly like the arrogant, merciless, and cruel murderers of Jesus Christ thousands of years ago. Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions KNOW and are fully aware that they are Satan the Devil's spreaders of the LIES and false claims that - 1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God 2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth. The Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death is NOT for arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons NOT for liars, slanders, deceivers, traitors, and murderers but ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" The "Resurrection of the Dead" is NOT for arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons NOT for liars, slanderers, deceivers, traitors, and murderers but ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others, They will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
When Christians try to say I wasn’t really “saved” even though I genuinely spoke in tongues. They say “how can you be a nonbeliever?” Until I started asking the question; why do you assume this emotional experience of the human mind is from the god you believe in? That’s literally all it is; an extreme emotional human experience. This practice of letting your emotions pour out speaking in “tongues” is done in so many other religions of than Christianity. Yet despite their beliefs being genuine to them, Christians will claim they’re not or that they experienced “tongues of the devil”. It truly is preposterous.
I’m glad you’re speaking on this. I too have genuinely spoken in tongues and I’m having conflicting feelings about it. I’m deconstructing, and I’ve asked myself the question “well why can i speak in tongues then?’’ I haven’t found anyone else (except you now) who spoke in tongues and have stopped believing. I say all this to say- It’s comforting to know I’m not alone.
Where in the bible does it say jabbering in some unintelligible way should be expected? Giving the apostles the ability to communicate with people no matter what language they spoke I seem to recall but not this tongues thing that I have never seen any evidence of being a language and usually just appears to be similar sounding repeated sounds.
@@murph8411 It’s how they interpreted the scripture depending on what religious affiliation you were apart of. I’ve seen arguments for and against the “jabbering of unintelligible” tongues. Neither of them interests me anymore; only when I was a believer. My focus is on more important things. Such as making the most of the remaining years I have here on Earth.
I learned it was a "Trigger Effect". What the claim is God is actually a self hypnosis and then your mouth explodes with sounds that are not words. Total rubbish and is dangerous to do.
@@HelloYellowShooBluetongues is only used when it is a real language and there is someone to listen and translate. What those churches do is a theatric, magic trick.
I don't know if the theists who comment on your channel actually watch your videos or if they just see the title, come up with their own conclusions of what you might have said, but if you're a theist, please watch the video before you comment about how "wrong" this video is. Before you refute Brandon's comments, at least listen to them first.
Wow, this triggered so many things in me. Specially that sound track of that sounds in hell. This one with the “testimonies” of five kids that Jesus took them to hell and each one of them tells what they saw, gave me nightmares. It was many years latter that I discovered that the hell sound was the sound of the machinery and that the kids “testimony” was a church play. But they sold these audios as true events. The amount of lies that this religion has put forward matches the number of starts in the sky. Its the most dishonest and sick belief imaginable.I
It also doesn't help that these stories of hell aren't the same. There is a woman who described hell as having different zones for people with different sins and such
When I was 14My mother was so mad at me for not listening to her and talking back She sat on top of me and tried to cast out demons.... Apparently they wouldn't come out lol
My grandparents believed that Jesus would come again before they died. He didn't. My parents believed that Jesus would come again before they died. He didn't. All of my christian friends and family believe that Jesus will come again before we die. We'll see. I believed it for the majority of my life, going down to the altar pretty much every Sunday "just in case" my christianity "didn't take." The more I read my bible, the more upset with God I got and the less I believed. The more i watched people pray, believing with all of their hearts, for healing that didn't happen, the less I believed. I pretty much stopped praying because I figured if there was a god, he either wasn't listening or didn't care. Either way, he was going to do what HE wanted rather than what we were praying for. I finally realized that i flat-out no longer believed. Thank you, Brandon for another eye-opening video!
@@christophergibson7155Well, well. Another tool for "god" here to try to make people feel guilty for losing their faith. When you lose belief in god you lose faith in his other iterations at the same time, all three that are somehow one. I would think you could have figured that out yourself. A gradual realization that the god you've been raised to believe in has done next to nothing over the last couple thousand years when he is supposedly all powerful is a fairly compelling argument against his existence. It's not the only argument, I'll grant, but it's AWFULLY convincing, especially if you have a long life of dealing with his absence.
My wife was brought up in a Pentecostal Church so I am familiar with all the things you brought up. She still strongly believes in the Devil and his demons who are regularly trying to harm us or move us away from God.
I can't begin to tell you how much this resonated with me. The part where you described alter call literally brought me back there in tears because of rhe trauma of thinking how evil I was and that I needed help. I hope anyone who reads this knows you are good, you are loverd as long as you are kind to people. The other thing that really was the falling from the holy Spirit crap. There was a guy named Mark shell that came to our church. We all went to the front, we were praying and speaking in tongues and then he'd come by and touch people's foreheads and they were supposed to then he'd come by and touch people's forehead and they would just fall. Well he came over to me and touch my forehead and I didn't drop. He then literally try to force me to the ground. instead of concluding that the entire thing was hystericals and emotion. I concluded that he was demonic and a false preacher. The mindset it soooo messed up. But I will say that that was one of the first cracks in my armor that made me think this is all crap. What an incredible video Brandon. Thank you.
Oh man. Thanks for sharing so much back. Whats amazing is that these more fundamentalist actions can show even faster how false it all is but they are typically coming with people who believe even more strongly. Such insanity!
This one made my heart hurt. Your childhood was fraught with feelings and ideas children should not have to deal with. The grace you show your mom is touching. She was indeed doing her best although her beliefs were/are ultimately harmful. I’ve recently thanked my parents for not raising me in a fundie church even though I grew up in a very conservative town. Keep up the good work!
I grew up in the Church of God which is almost exactly like the Assembly’s of God, so I can testify that this stuff is very normal in this denomination.
I also want to say that I think your mother was doing what she thought was right. I find myself bitter at being lied to, and being scared of hell and demons at at an age when I wasn’t developed enough to see that it was obvious bs. But, then I think, well, these people thought they were doing right. So, that leaves no one to really go after except the religion itself.
I keep coming back as I’m listening, this is so rich. You’re right! After you get the Holy Spirit you feel empowered. You have the same understanding as I over it. About it being a secret prayer language, not necessarily needing a translation but sometimes an interpretation. And the devil stealing normal prayer. I’ve been taught the same. I know it’s bunk but I still do it from time to time.
@@allenmitchell09 I try to be kind to my mother and her relatives in remembering that point. If one TRULY believes in hell and eternal torture, then the most loving thing he/she could do for his/her child is to try to save that child from such a horrific fate. Still, it has permanently wrecked my relationship with my mother to the point that I never left her alone with my children in fear of her brainwashing them.
- Demons are a fantastic character plot device. In fiction. - Being a child of the 80's End Times Prophecy was so stitched into the fabric of being an American it wasn't funny. - (Not in any way minimizing Christians who are actually persecuted in other countries), funny how American Christians will say they are persecuted, but I was the one getting rocks hurled at my head and being told I'd go to the bad-forever-place for not being one of them. And no, "not all Christians" but yes a whole lot of them. - My 8th grade Life Science teacher was a YEC. He refused to teach that unit, turned off the lights and left the room for 3 days while we read 5 chapters. In the dark. He told us "yes, it will be on the test, but I'm not teaching it to you." For super extra bland funzies, our health teacher was a YEC too. Thankfully the anatomy & physiology/physics teacher was a 'rum in the coffee' atheist and set us straight on some of the wonky biology. He also showed a video of natural child birth and we had zero pregnancies in my graduating class. Ah yes, the lovely music of the Russian hell hole. I remember that. - I think prophecy was really hyped up in the media at that time too. - I didn't deal much with Purity Culture, but I remember 1 specific church service where these girls had gotten caught sleeping with some slightly older boys, and the minister did this whole forgiveness thing over them, but in the same breath kicked my friend's older sister out of the church while her family was sitting right there because she listened to heavy metal music and dyed her hair black. All I could think was that the first girls families had enough money to pay the church, and my friend's parents didn't, because those girls dyed their hair too. I'd hate to think it was the difference between blonde and brunette, but hey, it was the 80's. Made this jet black haired kid feel real welcome. Oh, there was also a lady they convinced to stay with her abusive husband. That got bad. - Dad bought me Left Behind. It was so bad. So so so bad. It was an awful book. But the image of the neatly folded clothes stuck with me and I thought that was hilarious. - My parents didn't get me baptized as a baby. My prospective godparents were different flavors of Christian, and none of the churches would let all 4 of them in at the same time, so my mother said f-it. It was a topic of great concern while I was growing up. Not for me, for my Christian friends. - My autistic a-- wondering why everyone is raising their hands & swaying back & forth. Meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out what page we're supposed to be on. I forgot about the fainters in church, so thank you for that memory. I figured that was the perfume fumes. Some of my friends & I would practice fainting gracefully, so that behavior is probably largely performative.
I was raised Sountern Baptist then 1st Baptist until high school then full gospel AG (Assembly of God! I can relate with everything you’ve said! I’m 72 and I believe I’ve been deconverting, deconstructing since I was about ten years old when I was ‘forced’ to go ‘down front’ to accept the lord! I had zero idea of what I was doing but my gramma told me I need to do it. About 6 months ago I made the final decision to deconstruct and talk about REALLY being born again!!! 🎉I’ve never been so free! Thank you for all you’re doing to help! 💜
I was raised fundamentalist, we were Presbyterian first and later Baptist, and now I'm an atheist. All this stuff about speaking in tongues and casting out demons is so utterly bizarre to me.
Have you thought about making a video on the topic of purgatory? I see these Christians/Catholics who keep telling others about how barely anyone gets straight away to "heaven" and most people are likely to suffer in purgatory first. It's kinda funny ngl, especially with this being one of the most recent additions to the Christian mythology
@@someguywithalowbudget1320 Oh, did it originate in the book of Enoch? afaik the earliest mentions of purgatory never really referred to this being a place. It was only in the medieval times when it became a place of torment in the Catholic doctrine, which I think makes the majority of Christians
@@MindShift-BrandonI grew up thinking the idea made plenty of sense, and I still sort of (?) do, as far as making the Christian afterlife I little less silly, but I’m betting it’s pitifully lacking in the biblical support department. Idk, “there’s a place where sinners go to get their sins removed, and it’s not pleasant but you’re all better when it’s over,” really jelled the whole heaven/hell dichotomy for me as a kid. I probably would’ve left years sooner if all I was taught was the “Jesus lovers go to heaven, Jesus ignorers go to hell,” part.
Every time I engage with "American" Christianity I feel a mixture of pity for those who practice it and relief for myself and those who grew out of it. Though I've always been an atheist, I went to a Christian elementary in Germany. Throughout 3rd and 4th grade, my principal was especially nasty, bullying me because of my atheist and Syrian-German background, spreading rumours about me being a fat Muslim who always goes to McDonald's, culminating in the swimming week when she pushed my head underwater on multiple occasions. Only recently, I could finally go to therapy in my university town and get some closure.
The problem is the American version of Christianity is way off target and every new year , it becomes an even more vast mixture of new age and lying signs and wonders. It’s no wonder people are walking away from it and becoming Atheists. But while many become Atheists, others are realizing that they are the Church and are reading the Bible themselves and getting away from the harlot system coming into existence which was prophesied in the Bible as occurring in the last days.
@@dasbus9834for 2 days they shall not see their king but on the third day he shall be forever in their sight. No one has seen God these last two thousand years but on the third day thy God will reveal himself. The Bible says 1000 years is as one day in Heaven so it’s only been close to 2 Days.. and on the third day, he shall be revealed.. we shall see
@BeccaYoley the channel on YT "Holy Koolaid" has some videos of televangelists and their "faith healing" meetings. Actual footage from the TV shows, interviews with the so-called "healed," some of the staff that worked behind the scenes setting up the stuff. After watching those videos, plus a few others by other channels, I am amazed that the FBI doesn't bust them under RICO. I suppose the First Amendment precludes it, but it should not. The millions they swindle from the gullible saps should be very troubling.
Look up the "the one trick they don't tell you about"!! This is making folks who have one leg slightly shorter than another, and thus have a limp, have the preacher "pray upon them". The preacher then pulls the shoe of person to be healed out a bit from the foot of the shorter leg and "PAISE TO GEEBUS ... A MIRACLE". "Religion...its leads to abuse."
@@onedaya_martian1238I've seen that debunked on a few videos on the Holy Koolaid channel, and even saw how they did that. Reminds me of a trick my dad used to play on the young nieces and nephews in our family; he would tell them he could pull one arm out farther than the other. He would pull it slowly and the kids watched that, not seeing that the long shirt sleeve was not moving. I hope I explained it clearly.
Hahaha we burned our Pokémon cards too. The alakazam card burned green (due to the holographic coating or whatever) and my parents convinced me it was the satanicness burning off. Good times...um...I think.
I wish I could have a one on one conversation with you. When you said how grateful you are that you won’t be passing this stuff to your children, it made me wonder how you and your wife handled that. I’d assume she would want them raised as Christian kids. It’s got to be so damn difficult to maneuver through this. I became an atheist right around the same time my daughter did. We were riding in our truck and she said, “Mommy, I don’t think I believe in god”. I said that I didn’t either. We had been having conversations about this because she went to a kids church thing with one of her friends (they were about 8-9 yrs old) & she liked the pastor. I asked her to ask him a couple questions (I forget what they were), he said he’d like to talk with me because he couldn’t give her an answer. I never met with him. The very next day I watched a Hitch video and I was done. This happened within 2 days so I (and my daughter) were lucky. You were MUCH more indoctrinated and I give you so much credit for getting out!! Sorry this is so long but you inspire me😊
I, too, grew up in a fundamentalist family and church. Though I know my parents loved me and really thought they were doing their best, I now consider my upbringing to be abusive. When I was 9, my mother told me that my Presbyterian best friend was probably going to hell since she wasn't "saved" and instead believed in good works to get to heaven. I was traumatized for years.
@@artemis_studios6555 When I made the move from Independent Baptist to Methodist, my fundie friends literally told me that it really made no difference what church I was going to, since "those" churches were all the same.
That story of the boy being "exorcised" is horrifying and heart breaking. I am autistic and thankfully did not grow up in a religious environment, and while I still have a fair bit of trauma from what I did go through, I cannot imagine the lasting damage that must have done to that poor child. That makes me so angry.
It really makes me angry for him and every other neurodivergent kid who had to go through this, specially right now when Information is widely available.
I remember my very Catholic grandparents on my dad's side telling how much Jesus loved me and to beware the Devil around every corner. i was scared the Devil was going to tempt me to sin and then I would go to hell. I was also afraid that I did not love Jesus enough and as a result would be punished in hell. I remember my grandmother using the pictures in a church calendar to teach me the story of Genesis and the Fall of Man. In today's terms my grandparents were creationists because they considered the account in Genesis as literal history. Later, in High School I went to a Fundamentalist church with friends where I was shown the movie, "A thief in the Night" and its sequel. It scared the hell out of me. This was in the late 1970's when Hal Lindsey's book "The Late Great Planet Earth" was very popular in church circles. What impressed me as a teen was how well everything fit together in the fulfillment of prophecy. The Rapture was supposed to happen soon. I graduated from high school and time went on. Then the 80's came and went and the 90's came and went and the 20th Century came and went along with the 2nd Millennium. Now we are in the 21st Century and 24 years into the 3rd Millennium and we are still here. I wonder how many people my age that were taught the end was here in the 1970's still believe it? Having grown up Catholic and having also gone to Protestant Fundamentalist churches I have gotten it from both sides. I could tell you some things but that would involve a much longer post!
"A Thief in the Night" gave me such nightmares as a child. Even though I didn't believe in the Rapture theology, there was always that "What if?" doubt that plagued my mind. I recently re-watched it as an adult with my husband and was shocked at how any adult could have taken this seriously.
Jesus is the winter sun of five signs (Rev 9.5) and Christ (anointed) is the summer sun of seven signs. Christ is the Messiah/Mesiah aka son of Jupiter as the number seven. Same as the Egyptian Imhotep who comes as the number seven (Aries thru Libra). The five signs (Scorpio - Pisces) is the synagogue of Satan and the seven signs (Aries - Libra) is the temple of god. This is the temple that is symbolically destroyed in its final month of completion. All buildings, in the bible, symbolize the human body and none are historical structures.
You have been deceived. "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men...The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:4-7, 9)
@@christophergibson7155 Og appears to be the same as Gog, as the initial letters of both words in the Hebrew are interchangeable. This opinion is rendered still more probable, if, indeed, it is not absolutely proven, by the fact that, in addition to the evidence above adduced, we find a star in the right leg of Aquarius, named Magog, i.e., opposite Gog. Thus, we may set it down as proven that Og or Gog is the summer solstice, and Magog the winter solstice. "The Syrian Mabog is obviously derived from Maha-bhaga" a Sanskrit name. Pliny spells it Magog. "Mabog, or Magog, or Hierapolis, or City of the Sun, was called, also, Old Ninus or Nineveh." (See Asiatic Researches vol. 4, pp. 390-1.) But Og had a bedstead, and a big one, too - nine cubits long, by four in breadth (Deut. 3.11). It was of iron, the symbol of winter (Lilly's Christ. Astrol., p. 68). Upon this iron bedstead the summer Sun slept in winter. "Awake! Why sleepest thou, O Lord? “(Ps. 44.23.)
Uugh, the nightmare of it all. I went through it 25 years ahead of you. Around 1970 we had "The Late Great Planet Earth" and the rapture BS preached to us. We, terrified children, lived through it then. Same sh*t, different day. My father, born in 1914, told my sister that he heard this preached when he was a child. Same, sh*t, different day. The foolishness never ends. I'm still trying to get the BS out of my brain.
@@christophergibson7155Yes, for sure. I lived everything for Jesus. I didn't drink, smoke, party, swear, sex ... all for Jesus. I witnessed to people around me, invited people to church, taught adult Sunday School and so on. I read my Bible like a madman. It practically never left my hand. If you mentioned a verse in the New Testament, I could tell you what side of what page it was on in my Bible. I knew the Bible better than anyone I ever met. One day while reading the Bible, my eyes were open to how very "human" it was. I knew there were dozens of contradictions in the Bible and finally I realized it was because it was all made up. It is written by people trying to get others to follow their made-up religion. Once you see it, the gig is up. There is no un-seeing it. It's a weird hollow feeling but suddenly you stop imagining devils and demons and angels and God, and the world go on, but you are different.
@@BCole-bj4lv Thank You for your response. Let me respond back in regards to your statement..."I knew there were dozens of contradictions in the Bible and finally I realized it was because it was all made up." So, name just one? For that is a very common argument from the de-converted ones. Here is another two questions... So what happened to your love and trust in The Lord Jesus Christ? Was the One who laid His life down for YOU and suffered, shed His sinless blood, died, was buried, and rose again 3 days later not worth it to you any longer? It does sound very much like you took those 4 spiral steps downward of the de-converted.
Yeah, we may not have had bedtime stories of martyrdom read to us every night but some of the stories the nuns told to us littles on Saturday morning would really curl your hair!
@@theresemalmberg955 I went to Catholic school, and we had stories of martyrdom galore. I remember most vividly the story of a saint who was martyred because she refused to have sex with a man and would rather die as a virgin. This was held up to us as the ideal if we should ever find ourselves in a similar situation (no joke). There was an especially weird story of a saint who was sold to a brothel because she refused to marry but regained her virginity every night. The Lives of the Saints made for fascinating reading as an odd child.
@@Charlotte_Martel I heard the same stories too. The one that really got me was 12 year old Maria Goretti who was stabbed to death because she refused to have sex with her attacker. She so graciously forgave him as she lay dying. I can't help but think that if MG had been raped and lived to tell the story she would not have been made a saint but would have suffered the condemnation of the entire village, starting with what she was wearing to why was she even alone with that man to begin with? Yes, such wholesome inspiring stories!
@@theresemalmberg955I heard this story recently relayed on a Catholic apologetics channel. They held it up as so beautiful. The murderer eventually repented and became a priest, I believe. I found it horrifying. And felt like there was something wrong with me... That I just didn't get it.
Incredible video Brandon. My former church sadly checks off all these boxes. Your point that Jesus did not get baptized as a child is an astute one that surprisingly doesn’t get any attention when living a “Christ like Life”
Jesus, the sun, is baptized every January as the sun passes through Aquarius. As the lamb, he is "slain" as the sun passes through March (Aries constellation). We must also remember that the sun is born again at the winter solstice when the sun appears to move northward. This is necessary to go to Heaven aka the period from the spring equinox to the autumn equinox. The end of the world is the sun's passing over from winter to spring where a new sacred year begins again, and again, and again................
Spiritual warfare talk was so 'normal' in my house growing up. Its not until recently ive come to consider how unhelpful it was. It terrified me. I was told so many stories of people seeing demons, darkness, figures, monsters etc. I hated going to bed growing up in case something showed up. Also it makese scary stories even more scary. Most people are taught it's only pretend, but not me, all that stuff was real. Possession could actually happen. Demons could actually some and visit you etc. Awful.
No doubt this is one of my top favorite, if not my favorite, Mind Shift episode with Brandon. I laughed so hard picturing young Brandon believing and going along with all this nonsense! Everything you said seems to go totally against the mature, intelligent and logical Brandon I have come to know on this channel. Fascinating stories for someone raised as a mainstream Catholic. Amazed you pulled out of that cultish culture.
My faith was so strong I couldn’t speak in tongues X I genuinely believed so hard I thought it would happen but it wouldn’t. It really bugged me, it definitely lead to some kind of doubt at some point.
So, we had the same childhood! I was raised in non-denominational "progressive" Christianity but everything you've said was SPOT ON!! WOW!!! Please make another 15 lists because you're talking about everything I've ever gone through. Thank you for this, it's therapeutic and healing to know I'm not crazy and making my childhood up. The trauma sometimes makes me feel like it never happened or that I've suppressed some of the events that took place to protect myself. Recently, I told my therapist about my newfound atheism, and we began exploring why. Suddenly, all the traumatic memories came out and now, I'm facing them so I can heal. It's very emotional, painful, and scary. Watching your videos helps tremendously. PLEASE, if you can do another video like this, it's way more helpful than you'll ever know!
I was raised in the Assembly of God denomination and it sounded like you were describing my childhood. It was all very traumatic and watching your video brought back some bad memories. I was terrified of communion, because before the ritual, we were all warned by the preacher that if we had partaken and were unworthy, then we would have Jesus' blood on our hands and would be cursed with disease or death. During worship, sometimes a man in our congregation would take out his handkerchief and go running circles around the pews, while shouting what sounded like a war whoop. Some people would fall over backwards with ushers catching and lowering them to the floor. It was called "being slain in the spirit". There was always a period where the congregation was supposed to stand up and give a testimony. There was a lot of peer pressure on everyone, and the pastor would not continue until at least two or three had spoken. I was continually threatened with the idea that the rapture could happen at any time. I was very frightened for my "unsaved" dad and relatives. I could go on, but suffice to say, I'm so glad that I finally escaped the clutches of the Christianity cult.
I wonder if that boy was having an autistic meltdown. And having the people around him react that way messed him up so much worse. He shouldve been led somewhere quiet by someone he knew and trusted, but instead he was surrounded by strangers and screamed at. Holy crap. I have a lot of meltdowns, and if that situation ever happened to me it would put me in the hospital. When I was young, my big sister (who is 13 years older than me) started going to a First Assembly church and brought me with her a couple of times (the rest of my family went to a different church). I remember being so overwhelmed at how huge the church was - we were on like a third tier balcony in the sanctuary, surrounded by a sea of strangers, in the dark, and the preacher was so far away he had to be broadcast onto huge television screens. And during worship, everyone including my sister had their eyes closed and their hands raised, and I just felt soooo uncomfortable. I thought everyone was being possessed or brainwashed (concepts that I didn't even understand yet because I was 7 years old), and i felt really claustrophobic and powerless. I started crying and having an anxiety attack, and my sister had to take me out into the hallway - she didn't understand what was wrong, and I had no words or understanding to articulate it. But being in the quiet open hallway in the light made me feel much safer. I only went to that church because I wanted to be with my sister, but the impression I got from every experience I had there was scary. Going to the Sunday school classroom, I was afraid I'd be lost or forgotten in the maze of rooms and hallways underground; the congregation was just too big to ever have a relationship with each other or the pastors unless you broke into cliques; and they put on a play one time that was mini stories of different people dying and appearing before the angel with the book of life and being sentenced to hell with scary booming and sound effects. It was a really terrifying environment. I don't understand why people go to churches like that. It was a social and sensory nightmare - i just felt alienated and scared the whole time.
That was a horror film, B. I'm happy to know your kids won't experience what you've been thru. I can't believe these things can happen. My father was atheist, though my mother was catholic, 4 siblings and I were raised atheists. So we had good childhood. I afforded my kids the same. I did not have them baptized. No god, no religion. No trauma. It was not an easy task living in a very religious country, Philippines. They are all over 30. With good jobs, respectful of others and willing to help others when they can. I think this is one proof that children do not need god/religion to be moral and to have a good life.
I also heard about waking up to Satan at the foot of the bed. That story affected my sleep well into adulthood. I cannot believe they thought it was ok to share that with children.
Yeah I heard this as well. I have a feeling this story gets retold in various guises. I've heard various stories retold with different characters and settings.
When I was young there were two older men in the church who would tell me personal things about myself and they caused me to think that God had revealed these things to them. Their other information to me was terrifying, full of losing your salvation and rapture anxiety. I believed their teachings because, after all, God had revealed things to them about me. These two men contributed to me becoming a Pentecostal basket case. But I believed them because I thought God was directly giving them information about me. Later I found out that my mom was giving them this information. For some reason, she was too intimidated by them to let me know. These two men did substantial mental damage to me. Damage that took me decades to come to terms with.
@@Plethorality Yes you are so right. These two men and many other people in the Pentecostal church made me a basket case and ruined my youth. For a long time, I blamed my mom, but I don't anymore. She was frightened and anxious to do the will of God. She was easy prey for these two abusive guys. Although I hate these two men for what they did to me, I also realize they may have also been manipulated by this faulty and terrifying religion. They may have thought they were doing the right thing. I am glad I finally found logic and could think my way out of this terrifying vortex. Thanks so much for your encouraging words. I greatly appreciate it.
@@ruthcrites Thanks so much. My departure from the Pentecostal church came shortly after a group from a Koinonia meeting took a picture with a polaroid camera (this was back in 1980). The camera produced a double exposure. But everyone including the pastor said that the shadow in the picture was Jesus. He proclaimed that Jesus had visited the Koinonia meeting. I would not give in. I told them all I really saw was a double exposure in the picture. There was severe pressure on me to say that it was Jesus in the picture. But by this time, I was beginning to think on my own. Thanks again for your comment.
Regarding demons, my friend and I were just talking about this the other day. As an elementary school child, you have no context for the frequency of things, and when adults would talk about demon possession, they would talk about it with as much frequency as say, someone getting in a car accident, or someone getting cancer, or someone having something unfortunate happen to them. And so you start to think "Wow, demon possession happens pretty frequently and so I really need to be careful to avoid this in the same way I'm careful when crossing the street" It was such a potent fear. I remember for a week in like 3rd grade I was terrified to go to bed because I would see shadows and my mind would think they were demons in my room.
Your mother is a perfect example of what I think of Hitchens' "Religion poisons everything." Any dogma twists our very human nature into a mockery of itself. She loved you, but her dogma turned that love into a supernatural fear. Most everyone is doing what they believe is best. That is why what we believe is so important. There but for the grace of the Initial Configuration go I.
Omg this just gave me PTSD. I swear I buried all of this in the back of my mind but I just relieved all my childhood trauma of growing up in a charismatic household. The part of the devil sitting at the end of the bed, jeez I couldn’t sleep for years as a child thinking the devil and demons were waiting to attack me. Thanks for sharing and being open to what many of us experienced over some insane nonsense.
Wow, I hadn’t before considered the bait and switch nature of being asked to raise a hand while everyone’s eyes are (supposed to be) closed that gets quickly turned into walking to the altar in front of everyone. In hindsight, it feels a lot like a betrayal of confidence for a pastor to essentially get us to admit something “privately” and then ask us to immediately confess publicly.
The "End Times" stuff fascinates me. One topic that supposedly relates to end times is the "3 Days Of Darkness." There are several channels, which seem to all be of Catholic origin, have "prophecies" from some dead "saint," Padre Pio. According to these channels, just before old Pio croaked, Jesus showed up and told him when this was going to happen. I first saw this back in September of last year. But the "prophesied" time did not happen. Low and behold (love that phrase) they moved it to October! Didn't happen. Onward to November, then December, January 2024, February, and now March (with one already claiming April). Bad enough on its own, but the followers being gulled by these fakirs gets me upset. Plus, some recommend buying "blessed" beeswax candles to see then through. I suppose if it ever happens, my plain, unblessed wax candles won't light. Whatever will I do?
When Brandon was talking about child prophets, I immediately thought of the many child visionaries revered in the Catholic Church. Same thing, only MUCH more publicized. Now, the "official" line of the Catholic Church is that you do not have to believe in any of these things to be saved, but you can if you want to. However I personally know of a priest who was hounded from his parish by making the mistake of telling the local chapter of the Blue Army of Mary that they could hold meetings at the church, but that he was not going to promote the Fatima devotions because he personally did not believe in them. OMG! You would have thought from their reaction that he was denying the Trinity or the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. That was totally unacceptable even though, as I said, the "official" position is that while these revelations contain nothing that is contrary to church teaching, everything necessary for salvation has already been revealed through Scripture and tradition, and therefore the faithful are not required to believe in them. Trust me, there is plenty of nuttery in Catholicism. Padre Pio and the Three Days of Darkness is just the surface.
Thanks for blurring the cool art for the squeamish among us. Means a lot that you listened. Wouldn't have even given feedback but I feel like your channel is one of the most important on TH-cam. Don't want anything to distract from your words. I'm a forty year old woman who only started to realize the harm all this has caused me in the past year. Your humility, intelligence, and humanity are a huge comfort and I have already recommended your channel to someone. Thanks for being brave and selfless. It's helping me so much.
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Welcome, all! I hope this video can be cathartic for those of you who grew up like i did. Also, I hope to continue to shine a light on the harm of this religion whether fundamental or progressive. At the very least, i hope to entertain and educate a bit with these crazy stories from my childhood. Please give this one a like, comment, and share if you find it useful.
On your first point, I grew up in the Church of Christ. I was taught that God allowed demon possession in the 1st century so that Jesus could show his power. I was taught that demons weren't allowed on earth anymore since the spiritual gifts ceased because we don't need miracles anymore since the word of God was complete.
However, when I went to Mexico to preach, even though I was still in the Church of Christ, it was a different culture. Many of the church of Christ Christians in Mexico do believe that demons are still on Earth, they believe in ghosts, and for a while, I told them that it wasn't possible. However, in my mind, I became scared and thought, could they really be here? I then started seeing shadow figures.
The mind is so powerful, but it's also tricky. The mind can make your eyes see things that aren't really there. Now that I'm an atheist, I know it was just my mind playing tricks on me, but it was scary when I thought I was seeing shadow figures who I thought were demons.
Brandon, in all love and respect, you are really messing up by making all these videos. You have become the enemy of all that is good. There is literally hell to pay for such treason.
First, you are tacitly approving child sex trafficking. That is, since atheists have no basis for morality, you therefore cannot condemn any behavior as being 'evil.' You can only tell the world that you make your own rules so everyone else is free to do the same.
Hell is going to be a terrible place, but there are degrees. It will be worse for some, such as those who are blatantly attacking the way. The truth is the most important commodity on earth. By your own admission (I would hope), you do not claim to know the ultimate truths about life, its purpose, and its destiny. Do you not freely admit that, led by your limited, biased, and fallible intellect, you could definitely be wrong in making these horrifically evil videos? Will you even admit that? You are in the dark.
I do not know if you have a background with the Christian faith, but I know, of a certainty, that you were never a Christian. That is because God is real. He made everything. He doesn't make sense to you because you cannot match God's intelligence nor His goodness.
A Christian is someone who knows God. That is why I have absolute assurance because God is real and I know Him. You can know Christ. You cannot say that I did not warn you! Heaven is real, but all liars will have their place in the lake of fire! Know that if you scoff, you do so to your own eternal peril. One way or another, it won't affect my eternity! I just hope and pray that you will make things right with God. He died upon a Cross so that you may know Him - just by asking. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
i didnt see the love and respect in telling me I approve of child trafficking. Your comments are disgusting, but are a great example of the reality of what I speak about in this video. @@kenshiloh
@@kenshilohAs an atheist, my morality comes from empathy and from common sense. That which I wouldn't want done to me, I don't do to others. Just as I wouldn't want my own children to be traff.icked, I don't want other people's children to be traff.icked
By the way, you should read your Bible. I say read and not re-read because I can tell that you haven't read it. In Numbers 25, God told the israelites to kill all of the men, non-virgin women, boys, and infant boys and to spare only the virgin girls. What were a bunch of horny israelite soldiers going to do to virgin girls? That itself is genocide, kidnapping, and traff.icking.
Your God is also proslavery.
Leviticus 25:44-46
[44] So your male slave and your female slave will be of the people that are around you; From them you can buy male and female slaves. [45] You may also buy from the children of the strangers who live among you, and from their families born in your land, who are with you, whom you may possess. [46] And you may leave them as an inheritance to your children after you, as an hereditary possession; you will use them forever; But among your brothers the children of Israel you shall not rule each one over his brother harshly.
Exodus 21:20-21
[20] And if a man strikes his servant or his maidservant with a stick, and dies under his hand, he shall be punished; [21] But if he survives for a day or two, he will not be punished, because he is his property.
According to the Bible, if you were my slave, I could hurt you however much I desire to do so and I could cause you all the pain I wato to inflict upon you and as long as you don't die, your God is ok with that.
I read scriptures like that, and I am filled with disgust and anger. That there are slaves and masters, masters whose property is a slave who has to serve his master and who can be whipped by his master, makes me so disgusted and angry.
I cannot defend writings like that. It's immoral. Slavery is immoral. In the new testament it says in Ephesians 6:5
[5] Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in simplicity of heart, as Christ;
And to Christian masters it says Ephesians 6:9
[9] And you, masters, do the same to them, forsaking threats, knowing that their Lord and yours is in heaven, and that with him there is no partiality.
If God was really against slavery, he would have said MASTERS FREE YOUR FUCKING SLAVES AND LEAVE THEM ALONE BECAUSE EVERY HUMAN BEING DESERVES TO LIVE THEIR LIFE FREELY.
According to the scriptures that I mentioned to you, biblically, it was okay for Europeans to go to Africa and make slaves and take them to the Americas. The Bible literally approves of this horrible barbarity.
God is for that. It is awful. I can't see any positive side to slavery. It's horrible and shouldn't exist. If this God believes that it is okay for a person to be the property of another person and that when the master dies he can continue to be the slave of his children and the slave's children will also be slaves.
I can't justify that.
As an atheist, I posit that my own morality may exceeds the principles depicted in certain Biblical narratives, as I do not condone actions such as slavery, genocide, or the extreme punitive measures for transgressions like disobedience, homosexuality which has been scientifically been proven to be a natural part of some people's sexual identity and not a personal choice, or blasphemy that are sometimes associated with religious edicts.
So, get out of here with your garbage. You're ignorant.
@@MindShift-Brandon Since I'm an atheist, I can't base my morality on anything. As if empathy and common sense weren't a thing.
Also, God has been proven to be pro slavery, pro genocide, anti-feminist, and racist.
I can relate to almost EVERY WORD! People don’t understand how traumatic this kind of upbringing is!
i hope you're kenyan lol. i'm glad to see more of us consuming this kind of content that calls us to challenge the dogmatic religious beliefs
I would imagine what is actually traumatic is you perpetuating the dmns and serving them.
your statement here is dogmatic, a particularly absurd one at that. God has no use for those who let the dmns in.
tell me about it
Date conceived on April seventeen four.
I already proved Christ.
Every tongue will confess Christ is Lord.
I feel seen.
The alienation of non-Christians (or different types of Christians,) was a huge part of my childhood.
I probably missed out on a lot of relationships because I viewed others as "enemies. "
Glad to help normalize!
Your comment Mark hit me right in the feels. That's so true.
Agree completely... too much warfare in Christianity for me... physical, spiritual, personal, worldly, etc...
Hopefully the time missed with toxic relations was getting to know markb7135 better...and at least having fun. The scars of trauma from dystopian thinking don't make everyone stronger.
Hugs from a person who enjoyed not being part of that crowd and finds those outside of it, who just view life without dogma or selfishness, the best kind of folks to 'hang" with.
Regards.
@@jshud3Yes, when I realized Yahweh was originally a war god, and was turned into the One God, it all made so much more sense. If the only god you have is a war god, then your life is going to be all war.
My whole family got sucked into the I Found It movement in the early 1970s, I was about 22. The same charismatic movement that made Pentecostal practices more mainstream. Tongues (glossolalia), slain in the spirit, “healing” services and all. My dad became a pastor at around 50, my brother became a pastor, my sister and I taught Sunday School and VBS. I attended an Assembly of God church for a few years, then my brother’s non-denominational charismatic church. For almost 40 years I was a faithful follower. Never experiencing anything “spiritual “, having a single prayer answered or even knowing anyone who did left me feeling personally rejected and questioning the entire manmade cult. As a non-traditional college student the answers found in science and history made a lot more sense to me than the Bible’s fairytales. Traveling the world as a flight attendant showed me how every culture creates their own belief system. None are real or factually based. I have been free for about 10 years and it is completely liberating! I will never live in The Dark Ages again! My enlightenment came late in life but, at least it happened! Congrats to you Brandon for breaking free young enough to save your children from the guilt and shame produced by the dogma. I hope your wife has an epiphany soon! So much easier to be on the same path through life. My husband was resistant for a long time but, slowly he is coming around. Hard to change tracks later in life!
Thanks so much for this. So encouraging to hear about your husband. My wife and i had one of our best convos yet just last night via religion. I still see no end insight for her, but had my first glimmer of faint hope.
@@MindShift-Brandon The pandemic helped speed up my husband’s thought process in questioning the whole mythology. Just having that break from consistent re-enforcement of the cult beliefs was enormously helpful. He isn’t all the way there yet but, he is close! When I was still flying I had to work almost every Sundayl The break from re-indoctrination was all I needed to finish off what the science and exposure to other cultures had begun. Ever think of an extended holiday to a remote location? He, he, he! 😆 Just like deconverting a Moonie!
At risk of sounding like a broken record fantastic episode, Brandon. The honesty and sincerity and accurate information introduces exposes reality within the Christian faith, and actually opens the door for conversation. Thank you for what you do.
You made me think about a time in after school religion class where I inadvertently “toed the line” in terms of the dogma of Catholicism. Around the time I was learning about the saints, I was learning about Greek Mythology in public school. I learned about the twelve major Olympian gods at the same time I was learning about the Twelve Apostles. Back to the point, in after school religion class we were learning about the saints. I, very cluelessly, raised my hand and asked, “Are the saints in anyway like the minor gods and goddesses in other religions?” The room went cold. My teacher gave me an icy glare. I was scared but I didn’t quite know what I said that was wrong. Next week, we had a lesson where we were taught about the “veneration” of the Saints as opposed to the worship of Christ. With hindsight being 20/20, I think my theological faux pas was the cause of the lesson. I never brought up polytheism again and, rather than praying to not go to hell, I prayed that the teacher wouldn’t punish me or worse, I prayed that the other kids wouldn’t beat me up after class. Odd how I feared earthly punishment more than divine punishment.
Oh well, off to Room 101 I go! 😄
I wondered about this too! I didn't start really learning about religion until 7th grade when I went from public to Catholic school, and it just seemed to me like saints were lesser deities. I mean, why did you have to pray to a saint to pray on your behalf? Why not just talk straight to the Big Guy Himself? That's what my mom taught me. (Mom was raised Catholic, but hated the way the priests and nuns ran things. She never quite got over the faith though.) The worship of the Virgin Mary was really just a way of appropriating the mother fertility goddesses of the European pagan religions to make Christianity more palpable when Rome was forcing everyone to convert. But no, the Church is not anything like any other faith in the world. Nope, they're the real deal because they say so!
😂 the side eye, being told to stop asking questions and just have faith at my first catechism class let me know immediately that this was just doctrine school: write down what you're told and cram it so you can pass a test so you never have to do it again.
Honestly I believe this is a reason why syncretism with pagan faiths and beliefs kmost often indigenous) happens much more commonly in Catholicism than it does with other forms of Christianity.
So many Catholic "saints" are actually pagan figures who were adapted into Christianity, like the Celtic goddess Brigid and Saint Bridget of Ireland, and how Catholicism and folk beliefs are heavily intertwined in Latin America.
Yes they were assimilated and became saints.
Total fantastical INSANITY !!! I've been there, almost exactly the same situation as you, Brandon. What a nightmare we had to endure!! Getting out of Christianity is the best thing you can do
In the Assemblies of God church I used to go to, we kept talking about getting soft carpets because people kept passing out from the holy spirit.
And then the only verse to back that up was the Roman soldiers falling backward… or something🙄
Brandon it takes courage to expose yourself and the broken mindset of your journey. I really think you are helping others who are struggling with their own personal journey out of a religious upbringing.
As I read thru the comments in this video it is staggering to see how many people struggle with deconstructing, all because they were targeted as children.
As a life long atheist who loves your channel, your stories about your mom were hilarious, and tragic and sad, and loving, and I get your understanding of her too!
Appreciate this!
This video really did me some good. Thank you for the video, and for sharing such personal things in the interest of helping others.
As a devoted christian kid, I remember my goal was to please god so much with my prayer that I'd be blessed with falling on the Spirit (that's how they called it in the church i grew up) and it never happened, it would frustrate me so bad that I would literally go to the bathroom to cry in the middle of the service
So sorry to hear how this religion harmed you
You hit the nail on the head regarding the alter call stories. It is so funny to listen to you describe what many of us went through although I was older than you when I experienced this nevertheless the same stuff happened. Of course, it wasn't funny at the time but now I can smile when I recall the experiences. Oh, and prophecies too. I was told by someone with the "word of knowledge" that I was to become a minister to the cults and occults and then later at another church I was also expected to become a minister. When it didn't happen the scripture "many are called but few are chosen" was the reason given me. The truth is I was dedicated to Jesus but I chose not to climb the corporate later, or in this case chose not to climb the church latter, because I didn't want to earn anything, instead I wanted it to be by the power of the holy spirit, I wasn't going to be a fake. Decades went by and after a bad experience with a lawsuit where I saw how the truth can be manipulated by attorneys I decided I would always, always be objective and look at things from multiple points of view to be intellectual honest as humanly possible. Thus I began to study everything I could related to my faith, not to debunk Christianity I still wanted it to be true but I had to pursue honesty not matter what. Unfortunately or should I say fortunately the day came when I had to admit to myself Christianity wasn't true. I wanted to be true so badly that upon the realization it wasn't I was sick for weeks and couldn't eat and I told family that I had the flu because I didn't want to hurt anyone by letting them know I was no longer a believer.
Bro, you are genuinely a funny person. I thoroughly enjoy your content.
oh man, really appreciate that comment.
This video does a great job of exposing all the toxic elements of modern Christian culture
Thanks!
Long one so bare with me, I'm not religious, I wasn't raised religious but my mom is Christian but more on the soft Christian side so I thankfully wasn't indoctrinated thank FUCK! But... In.. 2016 I was forced into a foster care because my mom was doing drugs she shouldn't of been doing, and me and my sister got taken into foster care. We went to a pentecostal family, nice bunch thankfully, but we were both forced to go to church every Wednesday and Sunday and I HATED it. Didn't say so, but I didn't like it, as a kid with Asperger's and Hydrocephalus it rubbed me the wrong way and more than anything freaked me out. My sister was Baptized, I wasn't because being a shy 14 year old teenager, I was not going up in front of people, I was scared shitless. And... I seen these people run up and down the isles and I kept thinking to myself, "What on earth am I witnessing?" And I just DIED laughing, I couldn't help my self it was funny as shit. I didn't get in trouble thankfully, but looking back on it as a now nearly 22 year old it was weird. And I didn't feel no "Godly" presence, or anything just weird biological high blood pressure from being scared and weirded out. And no one said a word. I was in youth group and every time they would pray I would just close my eyes and go along with it, didn't say anything was just embarrassed. And that started my whole "Is this legit?" Downslope. And that went on for 6 months. And it just got more numb and numb about it. Didn't feel anything God related, I through I was doing something wrong till one day it clicked because I was telling them about how my brothers died, one before I was born and one at the time died very recently (he hung himself in his high school bathroom in 2014) So it was still a fresh wound, and I remember being told I would one day see both of them again and I fucking broke. I didn't get to know either of them as Kaleb died 2 months after his birth and was before I was born and my oldest brother Casey I got to only met twice, I met him for like an hour in total. And that, along side seeing the tongues and weird running up and down isles the gears in my head went off and was telling me "this isn't normal" and ever sense I've been skeptical. And fuck even now I've recently had a mental break down and shouted why all this stuff was happening to me, lost of my brothers, why I was forced into foster care for those 6 months, why I went through heartbreak after heartbreak when all I wanted was a soul mate. And when I got no signs... No answers... I finally clicked and concluded I finally escaped "Agnostic" and shifted more towards "Agnostic Atheist" where I'm open minded to the idea of religion if given the right evidence but I'm far more Atheist at this point. I've been through hell... The last 22 years of my life. Multple surgeries, my dad never being there, my mom having drug issues in the past, my brothers dying and being the only son in a all female household with both Asperger's and Hydrocephalus. It's hard... And I've just kinda dismissed the whole religion thing, and told myself the only way I'd believe it, is if I have evidence. And sense have adopted a more scientific mindset of both evidence and testing theories. I even went a step further read the whole old testament with a new prospect and holy shit... I'm happy I wasn't indoctrinated because I don't understand how anyone can follow this with a sane mindset. Its insanity. And the conflicts of there being 3k God's, even more religions, there being no material evidence of any of it being true. I've finally escaped that religious mindset I was told about here and there growing up and seen with the whole foster care thing. It's been rough... Very much so... Having the disability I have it's hard to wrap my head around religion in general. And the only way I'd believe it at this point is if God or Jesus themselves, himself what ever, was spawned in front of me and turned me into a damn goldfish. That's the only way I'd believe it anymore.
My freshman year at (a Christian) college, I was walking to class one very quiet morning with no one around, and the fountain at the center of the campus had red liquid in it. For a good long minute, I thought I'd been Left Behind(tm) and the fountain water had turned to blood. ...It was April Fool's Day. The red was Kool-Aid some seniors put in the fountain.
I seriously don’t understand how people DONT think this is a cult????
42:50 Simpson's? Hah, hah! What about "Bevis and Butthead" or "Family Guy"? I LOVE "Stewie," that psycho toddler with the British accent! 😄 Oops, yeah, I forgot "Southpark"!
As a believer i can't denied this issues in our community,but to give up on God is a huge jump i don't think i could do😮
My 5 yo loves telling me about his imaginary friend Cuzzie. When I was his age I imagined Jesus loved me. His version is going to be A LOT easier to outgrow.
Oh to have siblings who are still in it. Wasting their time "travailing" for me and my family to come back to church at alter call (as I did MANY times for others when I was in) - I remember believing that I was actually doing something... But now that those same efforts are towards me I realized that I was just wasting my time.
I hope one day my siblings will come to. I still keep in contact with them in hopes to be there for my neices and nephews if they ever go through deconstruction when they become of age. It's a lonely and scary time in someones life. I wouldn't be suprised to hear that many of you stay in contact with your christian family for similar reasons. We want to help them.
The hardest part of dealing with cults is that you CANNOT call them out on it. You have to wait... It's like watching someone destroy their life while you are powerless to help them. Best I can do it love them, and hope one day that they will open their minds to think for THEMSELVES. I'll be there ready to support them.
＼(^-^)／ This is the artistic proof that the universe was created. When you paint a shadow its the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
The adults teach all this terrifying shit to children then they're surprised and annoyed when children respond to that information poorly or with extreme fear. So intelligent
Right?!!!
Religious indoctrination is abuse, pure and simple destructive abuse.
Or extreme anger in my case as a teenager going into my twenties and now in my mid thirties
That part exactly! Telling kids that the monster they think is under the bed is both real and a demon is awful.
Authority does not like to be questioned. It just wants to be obeyed. I have lots of terror and hatred from Christian Fundamentalism.
“All your evil seven year old thoughts” 😂😂😂you’re killing me🤣🤣
He isn't alone lol
When I was in Pre-K, my parents celebrated Passover by having us watch the Charlton Hesston "Moses" film and explaining in detail the killing of the first born. I refused to go to bed until my parents put lamb's blood on our bedroom door. My dad humored me by putting a cup of blood over the doorway, but I kept crying that they didn't do it right. I stayed up all night watching the door, terrified a spirit would come in and kill my brother.
Needless to say we never celebrated Passover again.
Omg wtf.
Wow. And what’s even more remarkable is how no one in the Christian and Jewish faiths cared about the innocent Egyptians kids slaughtered by the Israelites dead angels…a Sacarii.
Where did he get a cup of blood???
@@zuglymonster cherry syrup 😉😁
Holy shit
"Welcome to my childhood. *Plays the screams of the damned*." It's good to have you back, Brandon. 😂
Lol!! Thank you
@@MindShift-Brandon I just got to your part about music. I also heard the "rap is from the devil" thing, and believed that until I was fourteen. And, I actually have no idea where that belief is supposed to come from Biblically.
I remembered hearing that and Googling to see if it was true. The first result I got was of footage of the FIRST recorded rap song- it was a spoken-word Gospel song about Noah’s Ark, rapped and sung by The Jubilaires. That put the whole “rap is of the devil” thing to bed permanently for me.
@@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459 Aw, I heard that Jimi Hendrix was evil! So "naughty" me went and bought his "Are You Experienced" album. I will admit the track "Third Stone From the Sun" initially freaked me out, but not from thinking it was demonic; just nothing I had ever heard before.
@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459 That was eerie, but certainly not voices of "the damned." Methinks the tape got all out of whack from the strong magnetic fields in the area.
I got saved every week to because i didn't want miss the Rapture. I also i realize now that when a Pastor is preaching on something shameful or condemning, it is generally because he is dealing with the issues himself.
That's really good insight! I never thought about that before.
@@The-Doubters-Diaryit becomes painfully...and monotonously obvious.
It took me years to figure this out. When a preacher gets up there and screams crossdressers are going to burn in hell they are actually dealing with their own fears and struggles. We experienced this many times. We would go to the "leader" in private conversation on a Wednesday and Sunday morning what we went to talk about was the subject of the sermon. It was horror.
I am still dealing with the trauma of those days
#3 hits home with me. I actually would not hang out with an uncle of mine who loved me, because he actually drunk a beer now and then. Looking back it makes me sick. He wasn’t an alcoholic, he just had a beer now and then. I was only 12 or 13, was taken to church 3 times a week, and this was my thought process. I’m 54 now, I stopped by his house the other day…..and had a beer with him.😊
The eating of the bread is symbolic of the period from the spring equinox to the summer solstice. The drinking of the blood (WINE) is the period from the summer solstice to the autumn equinox. Charity is the winter season of sharing the harvest of summer. Faith = spring, Hope = summer, and Charity = winter.
I love that!
Hilarious too since the roots of the faith makes a clear distinction between alcohol consumption and intoxication. Alcohol is a gift from God, acceptable to use socially. Drunkenness and alcoholism are an abuse of those gifts. Those who have formed an addiction are strongly advised to avoid alcohol. Most end up with your typical "healthy" relationship with alcohol -- consuming 1 to 3 drinks in social and family settings and rarely if ever consuming any when alone.
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Don't forget the magic mushrooms aka Raven's bread.
Hello Mithraism in bible.
That is so sad. Dividing families.
the altar call reenactment was terrifyingly accurate... unlocked so many buried memories. you were spot on.
It just came right out of me. Kinda shocked and triggered myself there. Glad to help normalize though.
Yesssssss this
Horror. Alter calls are not in the Bible that I can see.
Sakes alive that was far too accurate 😯😂 thanks for sharing your experiences 💚
I was so triggered 😭😭😭😭
I remember that exact story about the Columbine shooting and as a kid I thought, "that's so stupid. You could say aloud that you deny God's existence and he will know you don't mean it". But people definitely praised her for defending an invisible deity that should be PROTECTING her if he's real. Imagine how many people would convert to Christianity if the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield. That would be a very powerful statement of a God's existence.
Yes! Why didn't the Almighty protect her if He's so great?
Spot on!
Look up what happened this year at Lakewood in Houston.
Worse was that a "good guy" with a gun, not only killed the wacko with a gun (who did NOT shoot anyone) PLUS the "good guy" damaged, with a bullet, the brain of the innocent wacko's son.
If there is a "universal entity", this "news story" sure is "teaching" something different than the Columbine story....if true...worse... there are nutcases who don't think school shootings happen !!
Ad. "Imagine how many people would convert to Christianity if the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield. That would be a very powerful statement of a God's existence."
vs. Luke 16 "27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”"
Let's try a test first whether "the bullets literally bounced off like an invisible forcefield" would make any sense: Is evidence in form of found blood cells in dinosour bones (cf. "REAL BLOOD CELLS IN 65 MILLION YEAR OLD DINOSAUR BONES?"), from logical perspective, leading you into belief in old ages of dinosaurs proclaimed by evolutionism or is it more compatible with Biblical account on origin of the world?
@@stefansevcik1877 Oh, are you refering to the repeatedly debunked misinterpretation of a study, WHICH AUTHOR HERSELF SAID IS MISINTERPRETED?
And why is a book having some dude's opinion used as some proof that it won't work?
Solid…so very solid.
I don’t talk a lot about this, but, in my late 20’s, the parental childhood abuse came to a head, and I deal with dissociation. My first husband insisted that we participate in very fundamentalist church groups and Bible studies, and so when their abuse (I realized that fundamentalism is extremely abusive) evoked dissociative reactions - the church folks would hold me down and try to drive the demons out
What I needed (and finally got) was therapy with a trained psychologist, not being screamed over and told how horrible I was. I reached a point I could no longer deal with the Evangelical/Fundamentalist world, the Campus. Crusade witnessing campaigns, the women’s conferences where it was ‘be submissive, be in the kitchen, have children’, the Christian ‘bubble’ of Christian television, Christian bookstores, Christian schools, only other Christians as friends - I had to leave it behind
I did become a Roman Catholic for a time, went through RCIA, even got a masters in theology from Loyola Marymount in 2008. I had been attracted to Roman Catholicism because there is some intellectual interest - the Doctors of the Church and Jesuits are extremely bright and rather mischievous (the priests at Loyola Marymount would say all kinds of things - on some level, they didn’t take it seriously). The child abuse scandal and the fact that half of humankind was denied any significant role - the whole Marian devotion, the WORSHIP, for all the Catholic protest that “we don’t worship Mary” is just a sop to women, something to be pointed to: “see! we value Mary!” - I couldn’t be a Roman Catholic any longer
Watching the History Channel about WWII really caused me to wonder about the existence of God - how could this Being stand by while 70-80 million people died? How could God countenance slavery? child abuse? Poverty, disease and hunger?
Thank you very much, Brandon
Love hearing more of your thoughts and stories. Thanks for being willing to be so open.
Look up Harmonic Atheist and TheramTrees. (if it is ok to suggest other channels here).
@@onedaya_martian1238Brandon's channel is my main go to channel, but there are lots of others too. Seen any vids of NonStampCollector? He's hilarious plus a fellow Aussie. He does ALL the speech himself!?
I did Quaker, loved that as it was concerned with helping people and not about what folks got up to in the bedroom. then I dabbled in Paganism as it was colourful but i thought it a bit silly so went Catholic as I loved the bells and smels, the statues and the pictures and renaisance music. Now i just enjoy the music, the churches and architecture and art, just like going into an old temple or mosque.
When your deity says if you die with a single sin on your soul then it's eternal torture with no chance of getting out, why WOULDN'T you adhere to the religion to the most extreme degree? According to their own book, all the not so extreme Christians are all going to hell.
yup! its an extreme belief, requires extreme faith, demands extreme devotion and on and on. Trying to be cool about it just doesnt make sense lol.
@@MindShift-Brandon I thought the deal was that nobody, not even the most strict adherents, can be completely free of sin, but that's fine as long as you repent, admit that you're a terrible, broken person, and ask for the gift of salvation. But that's the issue of works vs faith that nobody can agree on, I guess. I want to know, however, when a Christian accuses atheists of "just wanting to sin", is it a good idea or not to respond that if you want to sin and get away with it, you should be a Christian, because then your sins will be forgiven?
@@reformCopyright Good point! Although a real Christian would not have that mentality. Personally, i chose to be a Calvinist because (I reasoned) if even 1% depended on me, i was doomed. Similar to Martin Luther and Paul the apostle, I KNEW that even my best thoughts or deeds were like filthy menstrual rags, so salvation had to be by faith ALONE, grace ALONE and Christ ALONE. And because "perfect love casts out all fear," i was not afraid of the future at all.
All the other people in my home group were amazed that I had no fear, not even of God. I could understand Arminians thinking this way, because they are depending on their works to please God, but why would Reformed believers still be afraid? I think it's because they have fuzzy or polluted thinking on the topic. But no one has the time or interest to think it through.
But you already have to be extreme to believe anything like that in the first place. So yes, one extreme belief begets other extreme beliefs… but if you don’t have an initial extreme belief then you won’t develop more extreme beliefs and behaviors. That’s why cults aim to recruit young kids (gullible because they’re just little kids) and people in extreme desperate situations (willing to believe anything for a chance at hope and community).
@@emmanarotzky6565 Yep. I'm sure there is a connection between extremely religious people and things like conspiracy theorists. When you're made to believe total nonsense as fact then it's easier to believe other total nonsense as fact. Couple that with a strong in-group/out-group dynamic where YOU'RE the special one and everyone else not like you is bad and deserves the bad things that happen to them, and it's easy to convince people of just about anything. Just tell them they're special and they'll eat it up.
It's fascinating to me listening to the experiences of other former Christians. Thank you for sharing Brandon.
Glad to share. Thanks, Doug!
Right. The psychology is so interesting.
@@suicune2001and also that this religion was created as *psychological propoganda* ... certainly adds up! The bloke was a narcissistic psychopath.
As a former Christian raised fundie and now an atheist, Christianity and religion is such a mindf***.
Yep my parents are in their 60's They still think he's coming back. But when I point out that he isn't going to Rapture anyone They always follow it up with He's coming back for everyone on the day they die So what can you say to that?
@@joshuahall8176What can be said to YOU then? REPENT--BELIEVE--RECEIVE
@christophergibson7155 Do you know how many times Christians have been COMPLETELY WRONG about Jesus Christ's Second Coming? Hal Lindsey one of my Father's favorite Christian authors once predicted that The 1980's was The Last Decade in Human History and he BOLDLY DECLARED that Jesus was coming back sometime 1985-1989 My Father still has the book. Everytime they're wrong Christians move the goal posts It's obvious Jesus isn't going to Rapture anyone anytime soon. The only thing Christians have going for them is the uncertainty of The Afterlife and what happens after we die.
@christophergibson7155 Do you know how many times Christians have been COMPLETELY WRONG about Jesus's Second Coming and than moved the goal posts? Hal Lindsey one of my Father's favorite Christian Authors wrote a book in 1985 which my father still has why The 1980's was the last decade in Human History. Hal Lindsey BOLDLY DECLARED that Jesus would be coming back before the year 1990. And he confessed to being upset when The Berlin Wall fell because it meant WWIII wasn't going to happen and therefore it wasn't likely The Second Coming would happen either. Christians always move the goal posts when their predictions are wrong. The only thing they have going for them is the uncertainty of what happens after we die in The After Life if there is one.
@christophergibson7155 that's backwards. Recieve, Believe, repent makes more sense.
Recieve evidence of God's existence.
Believe that evidence
Repent of your sins to that God.
How are you so bad at this? I guess not learning from your mistakes is why you continue to try to convert people in TH-cam comments.
Oh Brandon! Your point by point description of the altar call brought back so many memories' in the Southern Baptist Church. The guilt, the shame, the manipulation that I thought was the 'Holy Spirit'. It took me years to break free but I am now and living a more peaceful, fulfilled life than ever before. I love your channel!
So glad to hear you are free! I triggered myself a bit with that one. What a crazy thing!
@@MindShift-Brandon
It was worth it. I triggered with you! Alter calls were always preceded by a story where some poor bastard was about to die in some way and at the last minute repented, barely missing going to hell. No wonder I was a bed wetter until I was six. Alter calls should come with free plastic sheets! 😳🥴🤫😭
Yes! It’s something you completely forget about when you stop going to church. At a funeral a few years ago, the speaker did an alter call and it brought it all rushing back.
It's funny that Christians think non-believers live tortured lives. I am much happier now than ever since I left the church!
Yep, I remember too. I was an 8th Day Independent Fundamental Baptist. Similar traumatic experiences
I could not smash the like button nearly as hard as Brandon's reason smashed fundamentalism !!!
Haha! Thank you much
Yes!!!
What comes out of fundamentalism? Constant threats of hyper violence and terrorism.
Fear...
Not sure what you mean. It’s not violent nor is violence taught. But a small number might believe that some people would be violent to them.
@@larrytruelove8659 Playing dumb and denials by Evangelicals are rejected and dismissed at this point, by all non believers due to the horrible conduct and dishonorable character of the loudest, most hateful Christians the tens of millions of Cult-45 Evangelicals. This is not a non beliver perception problem. We know what we see, hear and suffer abuse from these Christians. This is Christianity's problem.
And you won't convince us "they're not real Christians," and do you know why? They angrily retort the same thing back in reverse, and proclaim you're not a true Christian.
And that's how the religion plays its gaslighting games.
@@larrytruelove8659 Playing dumb and denials by Evangelicals are rejected and dismissed at this point, by all non believers due to the conduct and character of the Evangelicals, the tens of millions of Cult-45 Evangelicals.
This is _not_ a non beliver perception problem. We know what we see, hear and suffer abuse from these people. This is the religion's problem the everyone can see and hear. You can't hide it.
And you won't convince us "they're not real belivers," and do you know why? They angrily retort the same thing back in reverse, and proclaim their detractors are not true belivers.
And that's how the religion plays its gaslighting games.
@@larrytruelove8659 Of course you don't. But this is exactly the perception of non-believers. That means its not s non-belivers issue. It's a Christianity issue.
As a former catholic altar boy, while I hold no love for the catholic church, I'm still always surprised and appalled about how people are treated in the evangelical church.
Yeah it's strange to think "it could have been worse. Could have been Westborough baptist."
Yes, I am grateful for my skeptical semi-practicing Catholic family.
Some time ago my wife and I found "Thief in the Night" on TH-cam. She was terrified by it as a kid, and for her it still calls up disturbing feelings. But my Catholic background made me immune, I found it laughable.
Things are different when you look down from the stage.
@@gmansard641those left behind movies are great SCIENCE FICTION!
@@VictorianMaid99 The Left Behind series was inspired by 1972s Thief in the Night and it sequels.
The worst part of rapture anxiety by far is the guilt you feel for fearing the rapture. All the adults around you are excited, and you’re terrified you’ll never grow up… and you feel like a bad Christian for not also being excited.
Oh man, my mom was really into "End Time Prophecy" videos and they TERRIFIED ME as a child and sent me into an extremely dark and deep spiral of depression for years and years. i 100% believed that the world was going to end on september 23rd 2017 and it shattered my world. I just stayed in my room all day, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, i could go on and on and it wasn't just the end of the world but God himself and everything i read in the bible made me feel like a worthless piece of sh**. i started having suic*dal thoughts... ugh it was rough man.
So very sorry to hear! Its so tragic what this god of peace and love actually induces.
I also believed it was going to be on 23 September 2017! I remember watching the sun rise on the 18th and being very disappointed
I was utterly shocked that Apocalyptic dates were still given post 2000. There was such hype built around the new millennium that I thought that, when that failed, people would return to the more sensible (and more Biblical) notion of "No man knows the hour."
One thing that I've always wondered is why, if adults REALLY believed that the End is near, they would even have children, go to university, get married, etc. Wouldn't they spend every moment of every day trying to save souls for the imminent destruction of everything? Makes no sense.
@@Charlotte_MartelIsn't there a few verses from Paul basically urging his fellow Christians not to get married because Jesus's return was imminent?
@@utubepunk Absolutely. Paul certainly seems to think that Jesus will return in Paul's generation or shortly there after, and that salvation/winning souls should be one's sole focus. Paul even says that marriage is only preferable if one cannot behave as a celibate and wishes to avoid hell for his sexual desire. Robert Price holds (and I agree) that Jesus' message only makes sense when one views it under the lens of Apocalypticism.
That story about the "demon possessed" boy broke my heart, both for him and for you + the other kids who were indoctrinated/conditioned into being complicit in his suffering
My Catholic mother attended an Assembly of God church for a few years when I was a kid. As someone with ASD, the constant noise, people moving and speaking violently, etc freaked me out and sent me into fits of withdrawal which of course were interpreted as demonic possession by the group. Nothing sends an autistic kid into more of a tailspin as having people touching her and screaming at her against her will. This happened many times. What finally made my mother stop going to the church was that my Jewish father (who never went because he thought that all Christian churches were the same) saw that I had stopped eating and was suicidal and asked why. It took a threat of divorce, not her kid becoming suicidal, to make my mother stop. I have informed her that if she ever rejoins, I am done with her for life.
Everything Brandon said was true.
@@Charlotte_Martel thank you for sharing that, it sounds utterly horrible and I am so happy your dad advocated for your needs!
@@Charlotte_Martel Tears and hugs through the internet.
Religious dogma IS a mental disorder, ASD is a physical issue requiring understanding, attention and care ... indoctrination is full on abuse.
@@jaynajuly2140 Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I am beyond grateful to my father for stepping in to stop this. It was especially difficult for him since he came from a traditional background where the mother rules the household, but he saved my life by doing so. I would have far rather that my mother beat me than to subject me to that torture.
I doubt laying hands-on him and moaning about Demons did much good for his mental health.
I have CPTSD from religion. I’m 62 and left religion four years ago and am amazed at what I’m learning about myself and how religion damaged my life.
At 58, i can relate.
One day, out of curiosity, I tried to conjure up Satan to see if he really existed, when to my surprise he suddenly appeared. I was terrified at how evil he was and I quickly banished him. Afterwards I realized that I had created Satan using the power of my own imagination.
Later, when I tried to make God and Jesus appear, nothing happened.
The Creator KNOWS
that thousands of years ago, Jesus Christ was hated, insulted, falsely accused, tortured, and murdered by arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons who were violently opposed and against Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead".
Atheists and Christians just can't accept the TRUTH about themselves.
Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
KNOW
and are fully aware that they are also opposed and against the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
exactly like the arrogant, merciless, and cruel murderers of Jesus Christ thousands of years ago.
Atheists, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
KNOW
and are fully aware that they are Satan the Devil's spreaders of the LIES and false claims that -
1. the Creator is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign God
2. Jesus Christ is worthless, useless, and undeserving to be honored and respected as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
The Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death
is
NOT for arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons
NOT for liars, slanders, deceivers, traitors, and murderers
but
ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth
who
honor and obey Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King
and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead"
The "Resurrection of the Dead"
is
NOT for arrogant, cruel, hateful, and merciless persons
NOT for liars, slanderers, deceivers, traitors, and murderers
but
ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Job, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others,
They will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can happily, abundantly, and peacefully live and exist on earth forever as subjects and citizens of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth.
? How
Did satan give you any confirmations? Donna Douglas did..
When Christians try to say I wasn’t really “saved” even though I genuinely spoke in tongues. They say “how can you be a nonbeliever?” Until I started asking the question; why do you assume this emotional experience of the human mind is from the god you believe in? That’s literally all it is; an extreme emotional human experience. This practice of letting your emotions pour out speaking in “tongues” is done in so many other religions of than Christianity. Yet despite their beliefs being genuine to them, Christians will claim they’re not or that they experienced “tongues of the devil”. It truly is preposterous.
I’m glad you’re speaking on this. I too have genuinely spoken in tongues and I’m having conflicting feelings about it. I’m deconstructing, and I’ve asked myself the question “well why can i speak in tongues then?’’ I haven’t found anyone else (except you now) who spoke in tongues and have stopped believing. I say all this to say- It’s comforting to know I’m not alone.
Where in the bible does it say jabbering in some unintelligible way should be expected?
Giving the apostles the ability to communicate with people no matter what language they spoke I seem to recall but not this tongues thing that I have never seen any evidence of being a language and usually just appears to be similar sounding repeated sounds.
@@murph8411 It’s how they interpreted the scripture depending on what religious affiliation you were apart of. I’ve seen arguments for and against the “jabbering of unintelligible” tongues. Neither of them interests me anymore; only when I was a believer. My focus is on more important things. Such as making the most of the remaining years I have here on Earth.
I learned it was a "Trigger Effect". What the claim is God is actually a self hypnosis and then your mouth explodes with sounds that are not words. Total rubbish and is dangerous to do.
@@HelloYellowShooBluetongues is only used when it is a real language and there is someone to listen and translate. What those churches do is a theatric, magic trick.
I don't know if the theists who comment on your channel actually watch your videos or if they just see the title, come up with their own conclusions of what you might have said, but if you're a theist, please watch the video before you comment about how "wrong" this video is. Before you refute Brandon's comments, at least listen to them first.
Some of them admit they don't watch the video and then decide to argue in the comments. lol
@@suicune2001 Maybe they're afraid of a mindshift.
@@Johnmhatheist LOL! Good one! If they are, then they need to stay out of the comments. Because they get dunked on with every video.
@_Niddy_Ironically, their comments still boost the videos for the algorithm.
Oh, i remain a theist, and this bloke is bang on! I cannot blame anyone from this background for becoming an atheist.
Wow, this triggered so many things in me. Specially that sound track of that sounds in hell. This one with the “testimonies” of five kids that Jesus took them to hell and each one of them tells what they saw, gave me nightmares.
It was many years latter that I discovered that the hell sound was the sound of the machinery and that the kids “testimony” was a church play. But they sold these audios as true events.
The amount of lies that this religion has put forward matches the number of starts in the sky. Its the most dishonest and sick belief imaginable.I
So many hell stories!!! Its crazy. And yes all just dishonest
@@MindShift-Brandon add to that... religious indoctrination is abusive !! Even if unintentionally so.
It also doesn't help that these stories of hell aren't the same. There is a woman who described hell as having different zones for people with different sins and such
When I was 14My mother was so mad at me for not listening to her and talking back She sat on top of me and tried to cast out demons.... Apparently they wouldn't come out lol
So sad. All these brainwashed parents just making up issues instead of parenting
You mom crushed you under her weight? That is horror.
@@VictorianMaid99yes and she was fat too
My grandparents believed that Jesus would come again before they died. He didn't. My parents believed that Jesus would come again before they died. He didn't. All of my christian friends and family believe that Jesus will come again before we die. We'll see. I believed it for the majority of my life, going down to the altar pretty much every Sunday "just in case" my christianity "didn't take." The more I read my bible, the more upset with God I got and the less I believed. The more i watched people pray, believing with all of their hearts, for healing that didn't happen, the less I believed. I pretty much stopped praying because I figured if there was a god, he either wasn't listening or didn't care. Either way, he was going to do what HE wanted rather than what we were praying for. I finally realized that i flat-out no longer believed. Thank you, Brandon for another eye-opening video!
On New Years Eve 1969, my grandma predicted that Jesus would return in 1970. He didn't.
@@davereese6614yeah because he's too busy finding people parking spots or finding their lost keys...😂😂😂😂
Sure sounds like you had your eyes on everyone else. What about Jesus? What happened to your love for Him?
@@christophergibson7155Well, well. Another tool for "god" here to try to make people feel guilty for losing their faith. When you lose belief in god you lose faith in his other iterations at the same time, all three that are somehow one. I would think you could have figured that out yourself. A gradual realization that the god you've been raised to believe in has done next to nothing over the last couple thousand years when he is supposedly all powerful is a fairly compelling argument against his existence. It's not the only argument, I'll grant, but it's AWFULLY convincing, especially if you have a long life of dealing with his absence.
"Just in case" is a very wrong attitude to have.... it's either out of love or get lost.
My wife was brought up in a Pentecostal Church so I am familiar with all the things you brought up. She still strongly believes in the Devil and his demons who are regularly trying to harm us or move us away from God.
So tough to break away from those thoughts
To me, that constant fear is a denial of the power, love, and grace of Jesus.
If the Holy Spirit truly is present in all Christians then why is there different versions of salvation?
Yup! Major issue
I can't begin to tell you how much this resonated with me. The part where you described alter call literally brought me back there in tears because of rhe trauma of thinking how evil I was and that I needed help. I hope anyone who reads this knows you are good, you are loverd as long as you are kind to people. The other thing that really was the falling from the holy Spirit crap. There was a guy named Mark shell that came to our church. We all went to the front, we were praying and speaking in tongues and then he'd come by and touch people's foreheads and they were supposed to then he'd come by and touch people's forehead and they would just fall. Well he came over to me and touch my forehead and I didn't drop. He then literally try to force me to the ground. instead of concluding that the entire thing was hystericals and emotion. I concluded that he was demonic and a false preacher. The mindset it soooo messed up. But I will say that that was one of the first cracks in my armor that made me think this is all crap. What an incredible video Brandon. Thank you.
Oh man. Thanks for sharing so much back. Whats amazing is that these more fundamentalist actions can show even faster how false it all is but they are typically coming with people who believe even more strongly. Such insanity!
@@MindShift-Brandon I totally agree
PS I need to do a better job proof reading my voice text! LOL
How is it possible for an Atheist to become a Christian ? I can relate to a Christian becoming an Atheist.
Happy sunday Brandon...the talibangelicals are off to church...so peaceful and quiet here in my lil village❤😂🎉
lol, i have never heard that term!
This one made my heart hurt. Your childhood was fraught with feelings and ideas children should not have to deal with. The grace you show your mom is touching. She was indeed doing her best although her beliefs were/are ultimately harmful. I’ve recently thanked my parents for not raising me in a fundie church even though I grew up in a very conservative town. Keep up the good work!
Glad you have the information and good sense to be grateful.
I grew up in the Church of God which is almost exactly like the Assembly’s of God, so I can testify that this stuff is very normal in this denomination.
I also want to say that I think your mother was doing what she thought was right. I find myself bitter at being lied to, and being scared of hell and demons at at an age when I wasn’t developed enough to see that it was obvious bs. But, then I think, well, these people thought they were doing right. So, that leaves no one to really go after except the religion itself.
I keep coming back as I’m listening, this is so rich. You’re right! After you get the Holy Spirit you feel empowered. You have the same understanding as I over it. About it being a secret prayer language, not necessarily needing a translation but sometimes an interpretation. And the devil stealing normal prayer. I’ve been taught the same. I know it’s bunk but I still do it from time to time.
@@allenmitchell09 I try to be kind to my mother and her relatives in remembering that point. If one TRULY believes in hell and eternal torture, then the most loving thing he/she could do for his/her child is to try to save that child from such a horrific fate. Still, it has permanently wrecked my relationship with my mother to the point that I never left her alone with my children in fear of her brainwashing them.
Yay! Breaking through 40k. Best of wishes on your continued success!
Many thanks for that!
Thought you were talking about the war hammer 40k fandom for a second, until I saw the subs count! Congratulations Brandon!
My church experience checks off all the items on the thumbnail. I'm looking forward to watching this
Hope it doesnt trudge up too much trauma! thanks for being here.
- Demons are a fantastic character plot device. In fiction.
- Being a child of the 80's End Times Prophecy was so stitched into the fabric of being an American it wasn't funny.
- (Not in any way minimizing Christians who are actually persecuted in other countries), funny how American Christians will say they are persecuted, but I was the one getting rocks hurled at my head and being told I'd go to the bad-forever-place for not being one of them. And no, "not all Christians" but yes a whole lot of them.
- My 8th grade Life Science teacher was a YEC. He refused to teach that unit, turned off the lights and left the room for 3 days while we read 5 chapters. In the dark. He told us "yes, it will be on the test, but I'm not teaching it to you." For super extra bland funzies, our health teacher was a YEC too. Thankfully the anatomy & physiology/physics teacher was a 'rum in the coffee' atheist and set us straight on some of the wonky biology. He also showed a video of natural child birth and we had zero pregnancies in my graduating class. Ah yes, the lovely music of the Russian hell hole. I remember that.
- I think prophecy was really hyped up in the media at that time too.
- I didn't deal much with Purity Culture, but I remember 1 specific church service where these girls had gotten caught sleeping with some slightly older boys, and the minister did this whole forgiveness thing over them, but in the same breath kicked my friend's older sister out of the church while her family was sitting right there because she listened to heavy metal music and dyed her hair black. All I could think was that the first girls families had enough money to pay the church, and my friend's parents didn't, because those girls dyed their hair too. I'd hate to think it was the difference between blonde and brunette, but hey, it was the 80's. Made this jet black haired kid feel real welcome. Oh, there was also a lady they convinced to stay with her abusive husband. That got bad.
- Dad bought me Left Behind. It was so bad. So so so bad. It was an awful book. But the image of the neatly folded clothes stuck with me and I thought that was hilarious.
- My parents didn't get me baptized as a baby. My prospective godparents were different flavors of Christian, and none of the churches would let all 4 of them in at the same time, so my mother said f-it. It was a topic of great concern while I was growing up. Not for me, for my Christian friends.
- My autistic a-- wondering why everyone is raising their hands & swaying back & forth. Meanwhile I'm still trying to figure out what page we're supposed to be on. I forgot about the fainters in church, so thank you for that memory. I figured that was the perfume fumes. Some of my friends & I would practice fainting gracefully, so that behavior is probably largely performative.
80's Christians were pretty intense
@@DundaMifflin absolutely bonkers. LOL. I don't think it's gotten much better, it's just a slightly smaller circle of them.
'I am not going to pass this on to my children' : could be a t-shirt I would buy
This is ‘effing insane! Thank you for your service to humanity, Brandon.
Thanks, man!
You’re welcome :) sounds like a lot of great content in the hopper.
I was raised Sountern Baptist then 1st Baptist until high school then full gospel AG (Assembly of God! I can relate with everything you’ve said! I’m 72 and I believe I’ve been deconverting, deconstructing since I was about ten years old when I was ‘forced’ to go ‘down front’ to accept the lord! I had zero idea of what I was doing but my gramma told me I need to do it. About 6 months ago I made the final decision to deconstruct and talk about REALLY being born again!!! 🎉I’ve never been so free! Thank you for all you’re doing to help! 💜
I was raised fundamentalist, we were Presbyterian first and later Baptist, and now I'm an atheist. All this stuff about speaking in tongues and casting out demons is so utterly bizarre to me.
Its so normal to many of us..
Another excellent video and very validating. Purity culture is so damaging.
Have you thought about making a video on the topic of purgatory? I see these Christians/Catholics who keep telling others about how barely anyone gets straight away to "heaven" and most people are likely to suffer in purgatory first. It's kinda funny ngl, especially with this being one of the most recent additions to the Christian mythology
You seen the so called forbidden Bible book. Forgot what it was called but it stated that the gentiles were birthed from angels who did human women.
its a good topic for sure, thank you.
The book of enoch! That's what it was. Ngl it baffles me that the bible Can have 'forbidden' or 'non Canon books'
@@someguywithalowbudget1320 Oh, did it originate in the book of Enoch? afaik the earliest mentions of purgatory never really referred to this being a place. It was only in the medieval times when it became a place of torment in the Catholic doctrine, which I think makes the majority of Christians
@@MindShift-BrandonI grew up thinking the idea made plenty of sense, and I still sort of (?) do, as far as making the Christian afterlife I little less silly, but I’m betting it’s pitifully lacking in the biblical support department.
Idk, “there’s a place where sinners go to get their sins removed, and it’s not pleasant but you’re all better when it’s over,” really jelled the whole heaven/hell dichotomy for me as a kid. I probably would’ve left years sooner if all I was taught was the “Jesus lovers go to heaven, Jesus ignorers go to hell,” part.
Wow. Spot on. Demons, martyrdom, purity, tongues, all.of.it. So much fear, so much shame, so many mental gymnastics. This helps me so much, thank you.
Every time I engage with "American" Christianity I feel a mixture of pity for those who practice it and relief for myself and those who grew out of it.
Though I've always been an atheist, I went to a Christian elementary in Germany.
Throughout 3rd and 4th grade, my principal was especially nasty, bullying me because of my atheist and Syrian-German background, spreading rumours about me being a fat Muslim who always goes to McDonald's, culminating in the swimming week when she pushed my head underwater on multiple occasions.
Only recently, I could finally go to therapy in my university town and get some closure.
The problem is the American version of Christianity is way off target and every new year , it becomes an even more vast mixture of new age and lying signs and wonders. It’s no wonder people are walking away from it and becoming Atheists. But while many become Atheists, others are realizing that they are the Church and are reading the Bible themselves and getting away from the harlot system coming into existence which was prophesied in the Bible as occurring in the last days.
@@davidrexford586 Let's see how long this 'last days' last.
@@AXKfUN9m 2000 years and counting 😉
@@dasbus9834for 2 days they shall not see their king but on the third day he shall be forever in their sight. No one has seen God these last two thousand years but on the third day thy God will reveal himself. The Bible says 1000 years is as one day in Heaven so it’s only been close to 2 Days.. and on the third day, he shall be revealed.. we shall see
@@davidrexford586 Not exactly the most useful prediction then, if it comes with such a huge degree of uncertainty.
I love the wrist story, what a good example of how the faith healings really work.
@BeccaYoley the channel on YT "Holy Koolaid" has some videos of televangelists and their "faith healing" meetings. Actual footage from the TV shows, interviews with the so-called "healed," some of the staff that worked behind the scenes setting up the stuff. After watching those videos, plus a few others by other channels, I am amazed that the FBI doesn't bust them under RICO. I suppose the First Amendment precludes it, but it should not. The millions they swindle from the gullible saps should be very troubling.
Look up the "the one trick they don't tell you about"!! This is making folks who have one leg slightly shorter than another, and thus have a limp, have the preacher "pray upon them". The preacher then pulls the shoe of person to be healed out a bit from the foot of the shorter leg and "PAISE TO GEEBUS ... A MIRACLE".
"Religion...its leads to abuse."
@@onedaya_martian1238 I've seen those. Crazy stuff.
@@onedaya_martian1238 Yep, That used to happen at my church! They would tell people that's what was causing their backs to hurt. 😂
@@onedaya_martian1238I've seen that debunked on a few videos on the Holy Koolaid channel, and even saw how they did that. Reminds me of a trick my dad used to play on the young nieces and nephews in our family; he would tell them he could pull one arm out farther than the other. He would pull it slowly and the kids watched that, not seeing that the long shirt sleeve was not moving. I hope I explained it clearly.
I went from being a christian fundamentalist to a mindshift fundamentalist. Its all about our dear orange leader
lol! Dear orange leader is a name I do not want association with, ha! but thanks
@@MindShift-BrandonYeah, usually, that makes one think of Trump...but your color scheme is what he's probably talking about...let's hope.
Alright. Time to make this name happen
Hahaha we burned our Pokémon cards too. The alakazam card burned green (due to the holographic coating or whatever) and my parents convinced me it was the satanicness burning off.
Good times...um...I think.
@@leakyshoes_o7What a shame to burn an old holo 😔
I wish I could have a one on one conversation with you. When you said how grateful you are that you won’t be passing this stuff to your children, it made me wonder how you and your wife handled that. I’d assume she would want them raised as Christian kids. It’s got to be so damn difficult to maneuver through this. I became an atheist right around the same time my daughter did. We were riding in our truck and she said, “Mommy, I don’t think I believe in god”. I said that I didn’t either. We had been having conversations about this because she went to a kids church thing with one of her friends (they were about 8-9 yrs old) & she liked the pastor. I asked her to ask him a couple questions (I forget what they were), he said he’d like to talk with me because he couldn’t give her an answer. I never met with him. The very next day I watched a Hitch video and I was done. This happened within 2 days so I (and my daughter) were lucky. You were MUCH more indoctrinated and I give you so much credit for getting out!! Sorry this is so long but you inspire me😊
Oh man! I remember it so well. So much manipulation. So little reason.
Well said!
I, too, grew up in a fundamentalist family and church. Though I know my parents loved me and really thought they were doing their best, I now consider my upbringing to be abusive. When I was 9, my mother told me that my Presbyterian best friend was probably going to hell since she wasn't "saved" and instead believed in good works to get to heaven. I was traumatized for years.
As a former Presbyterian who was a former Evangelical I can completely resonate, also lol guess I was going to hell even then 😂
@@artemis_studios6555 When I made the move from Independent Baptist to Methodist, my fundie friends literally told me that it really made no difference what church I was going to, since "those" churches were all the same.
The thing is, presbyterians believed exactly that about other churches, because we we the elect, and were not saved by works... Oh boy....
Every denomination thinks they will be alone in heaven, apparently! So ridiculous!!!!@@Plethorality
That story of the boy being "exorcised" is horrifying and heart breaking.
I am autistic and thankfully did not grow up in a religious environment, and while I still have a fair bit of trauma from what I did go through, I cannot imagine the lasting damage that must have done to that poor child. That makes me so angry.
Yep. Trust me, you were better off without it. We were sitting ducks with out autistic innocence. Glad to be out. Still recovering.
It really makes me angry for him and every other neurodivergent kid who had to go through this, specially right now when Information is widely available.
I remember my very Catholic grandparents on my dad's side telling how much Jesus loved me and to beware the Devil around every corner. i was scared the Devil was going to tempt me to sin and then I would go to hell. I was also afraid that I did not love Jesus enough and as a result would be punished in hell. I remember my grandmother using the pictures in a church calendar to teach me the story of Genesis and the Fall of Man. In today's terms my grandparents were creationists because they considered the account in Genesis as literal history. Later, in High School I went to a Fundamentalist church with friends where I was shown the movie, "A thief in the Night" and its sequel. It scared the hell out of me. This was in the late 1970's when Hal Lindsey's book "The Late Great Planet Earth" was very popular in church circles. What impressed me as a teen was how well everything fit together in the fulfillment of prophecy. The Rapture was supposed to happen soon. I graduated from high school and time went on. Then the 80's came and went and the 90's came and went and the 20th Century came and went along with the 2nd Millennium. Now we are in the 21st Century and 24 years into the 3rd Millennium and we are still here. I wonder how many people my age that were taught the end was here in the 1970's still believe it? Having grown up Catholic and having also gone to Protestant Fundamentalist churches I have gotten it from both sides. I could tell you some things but that would involve a much longer post!
"A Thief in the Night" gave me such nightmares as a child. Even though I didn't believe in the Rapture theology, there was always that "What if?" doubt that plagued my mind. I recently re-watched it as an adult with my husband and was shocked at how any adult could have taken this seriously.
It’s good when you finally realize Jesus is never, ever, ever coming back, ever.
Jesus is the winter sun of five signs (Rev 9.5) and Christ (anointed) is the summer sun of seven signs. Christ is the Messiah/Mesiah aka son of Jupiter as the number seven. Same as the Egyptian Imhotep who comes as the number seven (Aries thru Libra).
The five signs (Scorpio - Pisces) is the synagogue of Satan and the seven signs (Aries - Libra) is the temple of god. This is the temple that is symbolically destroyed in its final month of completion. All buildings, in the bible, symbolize the human body and none are historical structures.
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You have been deceived. "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men...The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:4-7, 9)
@@christophergibson7155 A fish thinks the world is made of water. A fundamentalist thinks an ancient book of babble is "Truth(tm)".
Sad.
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Og appears to be the same as Gog, as the initial letters of both words in the Hebrew are interchangeable. This opinion is rendered still more probable, if, indeed, it is not absolutely proven, by the fact that, in addition to the evidence above adduced, we find a star in the right leg of Aquarius, named Magog, i.e., opposite Gog. Thus, we may set it down as proven that Og or Gog is the summer solstice, and Magog the winter solstice. "The Syrian Mabog is obviously derived from Maha-bhaga" a Sanskrit name. Pliny spells it Magog. "Mabog, or Magog, or Hierapolis, or City of the Sun, was called, also, Old Ninus or Nineveh." (See Asiatic Researches vol. 4, pp. 390-1.)
But Og had a bedstead, and a big one, too - nine cubits long, by four in breadth (Deut. 3.11). It was of iron, the symbol of winter (Lilly's Christ. Astrol., p. 68). Upon this iron bedstead the summer Sun slept in winter. "Awake! Why sleepest thou, O Lord? “(Ps. 44.23.)
Uugh, the nightmare of it all. I went through it 25 years ahead of you. Around 1970 we had "The Late Great Planet Earth" and the rapture BS preached to us. We, terrified children, lived through it then. Same sh*t, different day. My father, born in 1914, told my sister that he heard this preached when he was a child. Same, sh*t, different day. The foolishness never ends. I'm still trying to get the BS out of my brain.
Yes! My mom had that book! Ugh!!!
But what about your love for The Lord Jesus Christ? Was that ever part of your experience?
@@christophergibson7155Yes, for sure. I lived everything for Jesus. I didn't drink, smoke, party, swear, sex ... all for Jesus. I witnessed to people around me, invited people to church, taught adult Sunday School and so on. I read my Bible like a madman. It practically never left my hand. If you mentioned a verse in the New Testament, I could tell you what side of what page it was on in my Bible. I knew the Bible better than anyone I ever met. One day while reading the Bible, my eyes were open to how very "human" it was. I knew there were dozens of contradictions in the Bible and finally I realized it was because it was all made up. It is written by people trying to get others to follow their made-up religion. Once you see it, the gig is up. There is no un-seeing it. It's a weird hollow feeling but suddenly you stop imagining devils and demons and angels and God, and the world go on, but you are different.
@@BCole-bj4lv wow, fantastic deconversion for you!! Keep on, you're doing well. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@BCole-bj4lv Thank You for your response. Let me respond back in regards to your statement..."I knew there were dozens of contradictions in the Bible and finally I realized it was because it was all made up." So, name just one? For that is a very common argument from the de-converted ones. Here is another two questions... So what happened to your love and trust in The Lord Jesus Christ? Was the One who laid His life down for YOU and suffered, shed His sinless blood, died, was buried, and rose again 3 days later not worth it to you any longer? It does sound very much like you took those 4 spiral steps downward of the de-converted.
I look forward to listening to this for the next hour.
Thanks for being down for it!
@@MindShift-Brandon How was your trip?
@@Johnmhatheistlong! Lol. But happy to be back. Thanks.
The Catholic experience is a bit different but I’m sure we all get the life-long crippling guilt and terror.
Yeah, we may not have had bedtime stories of martyrdom read to us every night but some of the stories the nuns told to us littles on Saturday morning would really curl your hair!
@@theresemalmberg955 I went to Catholic school, and we had stories of martyrdom galore. I remember most vividly the story of a saint who was martyred because she refused to have sex with a man and would rather die as a virgin. This was held up to us as the ideal if we should ever find ourselves in a similar situation (no joke). There was an especially weird story of a saint who was sold to a brothel because she refused to marry but regained her virginity every night.
The Lives of the Saints made for fascinating reading as an odd child.
@@Charlotte_Martel I heard the same stories too. The one that really got me was 12 year old Maria Goretti who was stabbed to death because she refused to have sex with her attacker. She so graciously forgave him as she lay dying. I can't help but think that if MG had been raped and lived to tell the story she would not have been made a saint but would have suffered the condemnation of the entire village, starting with what she was wearing to why was she even alone with that man to begin with? Yes, such wholesome inspiring stories!
@@theresemalmberg955I heard this story recently relayed on a Catholic apologetics channel. They held it up as so beautiful. The murderer eventually repented and became a priest, I believe. I found it horrifying. And felt like there was something wrong with me... That I just didn't get it.
Amazing video. It’s amazing how “normal “ all these things seemed at the time.
Exactly. Just another day of typical life. Thank yoh
Incredible video Brandon. My former church sadly checks off all these boxes.
Your point that Jesus did not get baptized as a child is an astute one that surprisingly doesn’t get any attention when living a “Christ like Life”
Jesus, the sun, is baptized every January as the sun passes through Aquarius. As the lamb, he is "slain" as the sun passes through March (Aries constellation).
We must also remember that the sun is born again at the winter solstice when the sun appears to move northward. This is necessary to go to Heaven aka the period from the spring equinox to the autumn equinox. The end of the world is the sun's passing over from winter to spring where a new sacred year begins again, and again, and again................
That is some pagan belief
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Jesus will soon be resurrected. This happens at every pass over from winter to spring. He will probably spend the season with Venus.
So many comments from people who turned away from religion. I take that as a good sign
Spiritual warfare talk was so 'normal' in my house growing up. Its not until recently ive come to consider how unhelpful it was. It terrified me.
I was told so many stories of people seeing demons, darkness, figures, monsters etc. I hated going to bed growing up in case something showed up.
Also it makese scary stories even more scary. Most people are taught it's only pretend, but not me, all that stuff was real. Possession could actually happen. Demons could actually some and visit you etc.
Awful.
Yep. Nightmares and trauma and no help, because the help made it worse.
Then the blame... Oh dear God. Vicious cycles.
53:01 It's insane. No child should have to figure this stuff out.
Religious indoctrination = abuse. Mental abuse!
Hopefully, with the internet, it stops in the next set of generations !!
No doubt this is one of my top favorite, if not my favorite, Mind Shift episode with Brandon. I laughed so hard picturing young Brandon believing and going along with all this nonsense! Everything you said seems to go totally against the mature, intelligent and logical Brandon I have come to know on this channel. Fascinating stories for someone raised as a mainstream Catholic. Amazed you pulled out of that cultish culture.
Please do a longer video on each of these.
I really plan to.
My faith was so strong I couldn’t speak in tongues X I genuinely believed so hard I thought it would happen but it wouldn’t. It really bugged me, it definitely lead to some kind of doubt at some point.
Last time I woke up and found Satan sitting on the edge of my bed, he said, "Honey, you ate all the breakfast bars and didn't replace them again."
He called you “honey”? He always calls me “butch “….don’t know why. I’m jealous…
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Hahaha sexism, how funny…
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So, we had the same childhood! I was raised in non-denominational "progressive" Christianity but everything you've said was SPOT ON!! WOW!!! Please make another 15 lists because you're talking about everything I've ever gone through. Thank you for this, it's therapeutic and healing to know I'm not crazy and making my childhood up. The trauma sometimes makes me feel like it never happened or that I've suppressed some of the events that took place to protect myself. Recently, I told my therapist about my newfound atheism, and we began exploring why. Suddenly, all the traumatic memories came out and now, I'm facing them so I can heal. It's very emotional, painful, and scary. Watching your videos helps tremendously. PLEASE, if you can do another video like this, it's way more helpful than you'll ever know!
So very glad to help! Help me with the general 15 topics and i will do another with more stories for sure.
I was raised in the Assembly of God denomination and it sounded like you were describing my childhood. It was all very traumatic and watching your video brought back some bad memories. I was terrified of communion, because before the ritual, we were all warned by the preacher that if we had partaken and were unworthy, then we would have Jesus' blood on our hands and would be cursed with disease or death.
During worship, sometimes a man in our congregation would take out his handkerchief and go running circles around the pews, while shouting what sounded like a war whoop. Some people would fall over backwards with ushers catching and lowering them to the floor. It was called "being slain in the spirit".
There was always a period where the congregation was supposed to stand up and give a testimony. There was a lot of peer pressure on everyone, and the pastor would not continue until at least two or three had spoken.
I was continually threatened with the idea that the rapture could happen at any time. I was very frightened for my "unsaved" dad and relatives.
I could go on, but suffice to say, I'm so glad that I finally escaped the clutches of the Christianity cult.
I can relate to so much.
I wonder if that boy was having an autistic meltdown. And having the people around him react that way messed him up so much worse. He shouldve been led somewhere quiet by someone he knew and trusted, but instead he was surrounded by strangers and screamed at. Holy crap. I have a lot of meltdowns, and if that situation ever happened to me it would put me in the hospital.
When I was young, my big sister (who is 13 years older than me) started going to a First Assembly church and brought me with her a couple of times (the rest of my family went to a different church). I remember being so overwhelmed at how huge the church was - we were on like a third tier balcony in the sanctuary, surrounded by a sea of strangers, in the dark, and the preacher was so far away he had to be broadcast onto huge television screens. And during worship, everyone including my sister had their eyes closed and their hands raised, and I just felt soooo uncomfortable. I thought everyone was being possessed or brainwashed (concepts that I didn't even understand yet because I was 7 years old), and i felt really claustrophobic and powerless. I started crying and having an anxiety attack, and my sister had to take me out into the hallway - she didn't understand what was wrong, and I had no words or understanding to articulate it. But being in the quiet open hallway in the light made me feel much safer.
I only went to that church because I wanted to be with my sister, but the impression I got from every experience I had there was scary. Going to the Sunday school classroom, I was afraid I'd be lost or forgotten in the maze of rooms and hallways underground; the congregation was just too big to ever have a relationship with each other or the pastors unless you broke into cliques; and they put on a play one time that was mini stories of different people dying and appearing before the angel with the book of life and being sentenced to hell with scary booming and sound effects. It was a really terrifying environment. I don't understand why people go to churches like that. It was a social and sensory nightmare - i just felt alienated and scared the whole time.
That was a horror film, B. I'm happy to know your kids won't experience what you've been thru. I can't believe these things can happen. My father was atheist, though my mother was catholic, 4 siblings and I were raised atheists. So we had good childhood. I afforded my kids the same. I did not have them baptized. No god, no religion. No trauma. It was not an easy task living in a very religious country, Philippines. They are all over 30. With good jobs, respectful of others and willing to help others when they can. I think this is one proof that children do not need god/religion to be moral and to have a good life.
I also heard about waking up to Satan at the foot of the bed. That story affected my sleep well into adulthood. I cannot believe they thought it was ok to share that with children.
Me too! Way linger than i care to admit
Yeah I heard this as well. I have a feeling this story gets retold in various guises. I've heard various stories retold with different characters and settings.
When I was young there were two older men in the church who would tell me personal things about myself and they caused me to think that God had revealed these things to them. Their other information to me was terrifying, full of losing your salvation and rapture anxiety. I believed their teachings because, after all, God had revealed things to them about me. These two men contributed to me becoming a Pentecostal basket case. But I believed them because I thought God was directly giving them information about me. Later I found out that my mom was giving them this information. For some reason, she was too intimidated by them to let me know. These two men did substantial mental damage to me. Damage that took me decades to come to terms with.
Fahhhhkk.... That is terrible!!! Wow! Your mum thought she was doing the right thing, but. Oh. Wow. No. Those bullying old men were abusive.
@@Plethorality Yes you are so right. These two men and many other people in the Pentecostal church made me a basket case and ruined my youth. For a long time, I blamed my mom, but I don't anymore. She was frightened and anxious to do the will of God. She was easy prey for these two abusive guys. Although I hate these two men for what they did to me, I also realize they may have also been manipulated by this faulty and terrifying religion. They may have thought they were doing the right thing. I am glad I finally found logic and could think my way out of this terrifying vortex. Thanks so much for your encouraging words. I greatly appreciate it.
Sorry you suffered that
@@ruthcrites Thanks so much. My departure from the Pentecostal church came shortly after a group from a Koinonia meeting took a picture with a polaroid camera (this was back in 1980). The camera produced a double exposure. But everyone including the pastor said that the shadow in the picture was Jesus. He proclaimed that Jesus had visited the Koinonia meeting. I would not give in. I told them all I really saw was a double exposure in the picture. There was severe pressure on me to say that it was Jesus in the picture. But by this time, I was beginning to think on my own. Thanks again for your comment.
Regarding demons, my friend and I were just talking about this the other day. As an elementary school child, you have no context for the frequency of things, and when adults would talk about demon possession, they would talk about it with as much frequency as say, someone getting in a car accident, or someone getting cancer, or someone having something unfortunate happen to them. And so you start to think "Wow, demon possession happens pretty frequently and so I really need to be careful to avoid this in the same way I'm careful when crossing the street"
It was such a potent fear. I remember for a week in like 3rd grade I was terrified to go to bed because I would see shadows and my mind would think they were demons in my room.
Your mother is a perfect example of what I think of Hitchens' "Religion poisons everything."
Any dogma twists our very human nature into a mockery of itself. She loved you, but her dogma turned that love into a supernatural fear.
Most everyone is doing what they believe is best. That is why what we believe is so important.
There but for the grace of the Initial Configuration go I.
Omg this just gave me PTSD. I swear I buried all of this in the back of my mind but I just relieved all my childhood trauma of growing up in a charismatic household. The part of the devil sitting at the end of the bed, jeez I couldn’t sleep for years as a child thinking the devil and demons were waiting to attack me. Thanks for sharing and being open to what many of us experienced over some insane nonsense.
You are not alone.
Definitely not alone.
Wow, I hadn’t before considered the bait and switch nature of being asked to raise a hand while everyone’s eyes are (supposed to be) closed that gets quickly turned into walking to the altar in front of everyone. In hindsight, it feels a lot like a betrayal of confidence for a pastor to essentially get us to admit something “privately” and then ask us to immediately confess publicly.
yup! what a game!
The "End Times" stuff fascinates me. One topic that supposedly relates to end times is the "3 Days Of Darkness." There are several channels, which seem to all be of Catholic origin, have "prophecies" from some dead "saint," Padre Pio. According to these channels, just before old Pio croaked, Jesus showed up and told him when this was going to happen. I first saw this back in September of last year. But the "prophesied" time did not happen. Low and behold (love that phrase) they moved it to October! Didn't happen. Onward to November, then December, January 2024, February, and now March (with one already claiming April). Bad enough on its own, but the followers being gulled by these fakirs gets me upset. Plus, some recommend buying "blessed" beeswax candles to see then through. I suppose if it ever happens, my plain, unblessed wax candles won't light. Whatever will I do?
When Brandon was talking about child prophets, I immediately thought of the many child visionaries revered in the Catholic Church. Same thing, only MUCH more publicized. Now, the "official" line of the Catholic Church is that you do not have to believe in any of these things to be saved, but you can if you want to. However I personally know of a priest who was hounded from his parish by making the mistake of telling the local chapter of the Blue Army of Mary that they could hold meetings at the church, but that he was not going to promote the Fatima devotions because he personally did not believe in them. OMG! You would have thought from their reaction that he was denying the Trinity or the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. That was totally unacceptable even though, as I said, the "official" position is that while these revelations contain nothing that is contrary to church teaching, everything necessary for salvation has already been revealed through Scripture and tradition, and therefore the faithful are not required to believe in them. Trust me, there is plenty of nuttery in Catholicism. Padre Pio and the Three Days of Darkness is just the surface.
You had some great secular friends as a kid (ca. 13:00). Must have planted some seeds of doubt regarding God's "justice" in deciding their final fate.
Yes! Indeed
Purity culture is barbaric. It drove my sister and I to severe depression and anxiety.
Thanks for blurring the cool art for the squeamish among us. Means a lot that you listened. Wouldn't have even given feedback but I feel like your channel is one of the most important on TH-cam. Don't want anything to distract from your words. I'm a forty year old woman who only started to realize the harm all this has caused me in the past year. Your humility, intelligence, and humanity are a huge comfort and I have already recommended your channel to someone. Thanks for being brave and selfless. It's helping me so much.
Thank you for this kindness.