Hyundai Santa Fe PHEV - 5 things you ought to know about the plug-in hybrid system before you buy...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
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00:00 - Intro
00:45 - 1. Stats and Drive Modes
03:53 - 2. How “Electric” is it?
06:07 - 3. Cost of Ownership
12:36 - 4. Real World Examples
15:24 - 5. How do I drive it?
17:25 - Summary
In this video I will explain 5 important things I have learned from having this Santa Fe Plug-In Hybrid and why I wish I had bought either the Diesel or Full Hybrid (HEV).
This was an enlightening video to make and I hope you see the logic in how I worked out my stats!
If you enjoy this video, don’t forget to give it a LIKE and consider SUBSCRIBING as there is a lot more coming up on the channel about my ownership experience of the Santa Fe.
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Really like this! Great to hear a full break-down of costs of running it in terms of fuel vs. Costs of monthly payments, including against its other power train options. Super helpful video.
Appreciate the comment Richard and that you thought it made sense. It did to me haha!
Cheers mate. We do a lot of short runs, so probably ok, but your right. Should be able to select electric only mode, as that would be my choice if just hopping to the train station or local shops.
Really enjoyed the review. Thanks for taking the time to make it. It's exactly what I wanted to know.
A good honest real world review with lots of figures to make sence of it all.
Thanks a lot for the comment John! Check out my other videos on my channel as I have other real world tests and long term experiences shared.
Bloody Brilliant! My wife just bought one here in Canada, and after owning it a short time we had a few questions about how it worked, you've answered all of them. Thanks
Thanks very much and glad I could help!
I just did a test drive today and suspected there was no way to run it as an EV only. Thanks for confirming it for me!
Yes, it's rather frustrating... And wait until I make a video talking about the heating system and how it doesn't work in EV mode 😕
@@car_babble Thanks for mentioning that. A good PHEV should have a heat pump for heating and cooling and should NOT use the engine heat to warm the batteries.
@@underdw In that case (as in the RAV4 Prime or Mitsubishi Outlander) the vehicle is using more battery for heating/cooling - likely why they have bigger batteries and cost more. It would be interesting to do a full analysis of this aspect as well.
Wronggggg. As long as there is more than 15% battery power, then selecting EV on the center panel drives the vehicle into Electric only mode. That is how the system is designed. The car is meant to be electric only, with a ICE engine to supplement range when on longer journeys.
In automatic mode, the system will prioritize EV unless we extra power is needed, in which case it will turn on the engine for the required time only. In HEV mode, the system prioritizes the battery level at which is selected and will vary approx 2% above and below that level as it discharges and then recharges the battery to stay at that charge level.
In sport mode, you can convert fuel energy to charge the battery while driving, if necessary, but HEV will have to be deselected and then reselected in order to switch back to eco mode with greater battery energy (ie. If you have completely discharged the battery to 15% and the system will not enter EV mode only).
@@brandonwalker1472 I'm going to make a video to demonstrate that when in EV mode, the ICE engine still cuts in when you ask for too much throttle in certain situations. Don't get me wrong, the car is vastly in EV only, but not 100% of the time from my experience. That is exactly the point I made in this video and in comparison to my other experience of a PHEV i.e. the Skoda Octavia VRS IV. Thanks for the other info, though, as some of it is interesting.
Excellent video Babble. I see no problem with your maths 👍🏻
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Really good video. I like all the points. I also do the understand why the industry uses the term ‘mild-hybrid’ its just a fancy term to highlight that vehicles now use more Volts than previously
Thanks very much. The whole mild hybrid thing is just a marketing tool I think. The efficiency gains of a proper "mild" hybrid, as opposed to a full hybrid, are offset by the extra weight. The main benefit is responsiveness off the line.
Interesting stuff! We’ve yet to get our PHEV yet (mix-up on the dealer side…long story!)…as we’ll be doing a lot of short/town drives, and have it on PCP I think it makes sense for us…the idea of putting out fewer emissions was a draw too…but it’s still interesting to see the real world figures!
Thanks Paul! Yes, if doing more town driving it'll probably work out better for you, plus I think the gap is closing on PHEV proving Vs other models. Interested in your thoughts once you get yours!
Euan - We just hit subscribe. We watch this video and it was very helpful. Great level of detail. I’m not sure anyone has questioned your math because who watches w a calculator but I’m sure there was an F’d calculation or two - just my gut instinct after watching you for 18 mins. I’m gonna try to find you to get in touch about a few things. If you see this pls let me know. Chris
Hi Christopher thanks for the feedback. If you find me on Instagram you can send me a private message there if you want to discuss further?
heaping praise to the person who invented closed captioning.
My Scottish accent too much for you?
@@car_babble , indeed. isnt it funny how that works? there are dialects in America where people from the same country have difficulty understanding each other. i wonder if all this spawned fro the Tower of Babble?
Two years into our Santa Fe PHEV. 62mpg average about right. Generally, straight HEV mode gets about 30+mpg. Have gotten up to 261mpg on one particular tank of gas. We got a tax break on ours that is not still available, so the $5k tax break we got pulled us even with the price of a straight HEV. We charge on level one in our garage, so our electric prices are lower than described. I think even at the higher price we may have gone PHEV. We love this vehicle.
Thanks for the comment Walter. For the most part, it's a really decent motor. Glad to hear similar mpg you've had too...
A couple of points to note:
The gap between monthly costs on ordering a Santa Fe on a PCP or Lease has closed slightly between a Diesel, HEV and the PHEV to when we first got ours, so it is possible that the PHEV could work out overall cheaper on ownership, but unless you do mostly short urban journeys, I suspect the overall savings would be negligible so it could then mean the other reasons to buy (or not to buy) become the deciding factors.
Also, I thought it worth mentioning that residuals on a PHEV will probably be better than the ICE (Diesel), so this is worth taking into account in the overall cost of ownership. I look forward to the comments and any suggestions you have!
I feel though you are missing the selling point of phev. The benefit of phev is to only need to use minimal gas for daily commute. Afterwards you have a gas engine which means you don’t have any issue with range anxiety that an full ev would otherwise have. Charging a phev on a long journey is rather redundant.
For cost you have to look at how much you commute and whether you can charge daily. If you commute further than the total range of the phev you lost the point of the cost saving of the getting a phev. This is also the same case if you can’t easily charge at home or work. If you can’t tick these points then a phev is a terrible choice and you are better of getting an hev or bev.
The Santa Fe is more of a gas mitigation than gas elimination like the rav4. It’s something anyone buying one should understand and accept rather than getting pissed when the engine turns on. If you can’t accept this Hyundai/Kia phev are out of the question.
Thanks for the comment. I get the point of PHEV's and I've said repeatedly that if you can't charge them regularly not to bother. But I liked that in my Skoda Octavia VRS IV that I could just force it into EV mode (and it was a PHEV as well). It's not a deal-breaker for the Santa Fe PHEV but I'd rather have the option.
Hi. So I have done over 100,000kms on mine now and in my experiance i can basically tell it to drive in electric no problem provided I don’t try and use the heater!! There is no heat pump so putting the heating on means the engine needs to come on. If I open a window and turn the fan « off » the engine doesn’t come on.
Hi there. Thanks for the comment. So if you go up a hill and put on a lot of throttle it still stays in EV mode?
I get the feeling that if you had an all electric car you would be complaining that it doesn't use gas lol
I'm pulling your leg a bit though cause all your points are valid
Haha no I'd be complaining that I couldn't go over 200 miles without needing to stop! Thanks for watching.
Really enjoyed ours until the hybrid system failed at 10k miles. Had to replace the hybrid battery and BMS. Now its consuming inverter coolant and the dealer cant find the issue. Think Hyundai is buying this one back. As for economy, i agree with your overall assesment, but here in California, you get access to high occupancy lane without any passenger which is worth the premium price.
Thanks for the feedback. That sucks that your one failed. Will they just give you another new one if they buy it back?
@@car_babble they have agreed that my claims justify being considered for a potential buyback, but they have not contacted me with an offer yet. As I understand it, the rules about "lemon law" are defined by the state, and I'm California this would mean that they pay the purchase price minus the % of useful life consumed based on a 120k mile useful life. I don't know if they might offer a replacement car instead but we shall see.
I have a Santa Fe HEV. I too wish I could force it into EV mode more often. We make very short trips and it could easily have stayed in EV mode the entire time.
Thanks for the comment, Dave. Hyundai don't seem like override switches for things! :)
Hybrid and plug-in hybrid which is better? Thanks for the video
I can only speak for my experience of the Hybrid on the Tucson Vs the PHEV in the Santa Fe. Based on these improving results on driving with a dead PHEV battery in the Santa Fe, I'd say that the Hybrid could be the sweet spot on the Santa Fe as it'll be quite a bit less to buy and less hassle to own but it's close and really depends on how often you can charge and types of driving you do.
@@car_babble Thank you
Hello, I enjoyed your video. We have three cars at home, A V8 Petrol, 2L Petrol and an EV. I will be looking in around 18 Months to swap out are Lease EV for a Hybrid and have been deciding between a PHEV or HYBRID. Admittedly most oy my motoring is town driving, yet the extra cost of a PHEV makes it prohibitive.
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it. I would personally go for the hybrid if we had the choice again. Overall cost of ownership would be similar and less hassle.
@@car_babble Thank You, sounds like the better option. The NEW Sante Fe looks pretty good, out of interest, what made you decide on this car over the Kia Sorento?
@999Lensman the price difference was ridiculous for essentially the same car.
@@car_babble Thank You, I was not aware of the price differences. We lease our cars over three years and the best deal was from Hyudai Leasing on our EV and Alphabet on the MINI
@999Lensman certainly in late 2021 when we ordered the car it was about £100 a month difference on the lease
Not to mention, why seven seats? I bet most people in U.K. never use them. Could they not be replaced with extra batteries as an option.
I think a 5 seat version is available too but we have only ever used the back seats once. If you regularly need that many seats, there are better cars.
I found that the most reliably to know I am driving in EV mode only the oil pressure of the engine when it is 0 then the engine is off and the PHEV is propelled by electric motor only.
What sad numbers you are relating in your story about different electricity tariff prices and so on.
I use electricity in Idaho USA and it costs me about 4 USA cents per one mile driven on electricity since 1 kW costs 8 cents at home and the best is the fact that electricity is from hydropower. We use a much larger PHEV- Chrysler Pacifica eHybrid.
In this state this vehicle is registered as a truck due to the size and weight.
Yes I have no modes at all but I can modulate the accelerator to not kick the ICE up till 80 MPH. Also I can go up very steep heels in pure EV by modulating properly the accelerator pedal. Yes there is an annoying fact: when it is cold it starts the ICE to heat the cabin by default instead of using the battery and gives no choice to the driver.
Yes you are right: not all PHEVs are the same but some are very frugal, the others not so much.
But right now in May 2023 commuting only in EV the car computer shows 87 MPG-equivalent. It has a much better than Hyundai on board internal charger: 6.6 kW instead of yours 3.5 kW. The latter matter if the owner needs quick recharge at home just in case there are several more trips in town in one day besides of commuting.
Thank you for taking the time to write such detailed feedback. Yes, we get well and truly hammered in the UK on energy costs. It's a bit sad. There are more efficient PHEVs out there, for sure.
I feel stupid i just bought one. i thought we can drive it on battery only. Hopefully In Canada it has that option. I get it in a couple week's.
Don't feel stupid! You can technically drive with battery only. It's just the car decides for you, as opposed to it being entirely the driver's call.
The Hybrid version is the best spot of the trims. I own the Hybrid Limited trim. I get 549 miles on a single fill-up. I don't feel Hyundai has yet figured out the PHEV thingy properly
Well I have to say after about a month I have about 1,700 km and still 200km to go on the gas tank and I haven't even gone to the gas station once so I think the phev is very very efficient and Hyundai figured it out pretty good the only thing is I wish they would offer more options in terms of trim levels I am at the top level trim and would like a couple more features like the 360 camera and the upgraded sound system but other than that. What an amazing car have a great day guys gals
@@ashplumber4689 That's great. What style of driving are you doing (terrain and speed) and are you staying in ECO/ EV mode? This is a key factor for sure in how far you'll eek out a tank of gas before charging.
@car_babble the santa fe I got can drive ev only so I get full ev for approximately 48 kms. If you punch the gas though the gas kicks in thats automatically computer driven
Isn't the Santa Fe plug in hybrid a mid size SUV therefore that's great gas mileage and contrast if you had Is a regular fuel vehicle especially in mid-size SUV
I think in US terms it's a mid size. The hybrid is better gas mileage overall but that's offset against the extra cost you pay for it.
My Santa Fe Plug In receives 100 Mile Per Gallon average and recharges when electricity is half price at night time. SMILES....
Thanks for the comment. Do you do a lot of short journeys in between charging?
Man, as a Santa Fe PHEV owner I have to completely disagree with nearly every point you've made in this video. You don't understand how to use the modes, nor do you understand their purpose. I don't mean to be dismissive or accusatory, but you are giving a lot of misinformation and I hope you can make a video that's more representative of this vehicle.
Firstly, you are being precisely dismissive and accusatory as you are stating these points without actually explaining a single one of the areas where apparently I'm giving misinformation! Let's start with, what country are you in, in case that is relevant? Secondly, I'm a small channel starting out, I have nothing to gain from giving misinformation nor do I wish to mislead people, but you obviously know something about this car that I apparently don't, so if you're going to make accusations - back them up. What I find even more puzzling is that some of the points in my video are entirely opinion based or from actual tests I did in the car, so I look forward to your explanation on how you can possibly disagree with these. As for the drive modes, do tell us your knowledge and I am humbly prepared to acknowledge if I misunderstand something about my car. I think I'll to do a video also to prove my point about how you can't drive entirely in EV mode without using the petrol engine so stay tuned for that 👍
Sorry mate, I wouldn't Do it !! I'm here in the USA - NY Suburbia. Non Plug in Hybrids is the way to go IMHO. Let the fads ride out. The old song says: "Only Fools Rush In". people don't realize in genertal how much natural resources are expended to produce the extra electricity needed for PHIVs and especially full EVs. Don't get those batteries wet with any Salt Water : Check out what happened in Florida after Ian hurricane hit last fall!!
Hi mate. Yeah I tend to agree and won't be buying another one! I used to live in NY so know the climate well! ☺️
Not staying in EV mode until the battery drains to zero is the dumbest thing ever. It made me decide to not even test drive this sub par vehicle.