Absolutely as a "feeling" is the result of an subconscious computing of his very experienced climber's brain. The brain drops the result, assessing "bad!". does not show all the data that have been computed.. Amazing
Having read lots of books on mountaineering tragedies, and also an avid follower of natural disasters, there is one theme that stands out every time. Nature does not care about any of us.
They had no chance. 1.6 km wide avalanche is something BIG. I was shocked the few survivors did not freeze in socks and no jackets. That is something miracle. The instinct of the one climber who turned back in time was also incredible. He was the best climber and yet he knew something was not right there.
@@omahanprabla3058 Even small avalanches can be deadly. In the book, "Snowy Torrents," covering snow avalanches from 1900 to 1970(ish), the preface of the book states that avalanches have been known to 'fall' on a slope that is 1 degree. A ONE-Degree slope!!!! I am an avalanche survivor, BTW.
There was weirdly heavy snow. The climber that survived did specifically warn others and pick a tent away from common avalanche paths and even then it hit him too. I think even if everybody had followed his advice, the avalanche sounds big enough it would have killed anyway. Sometimes even good preperation won't stop bad luck.
That's why I could never do mountaineering, even if I wasn't so lazy. I'm way too control oriented to be in a place where so many things are completely out of my control. Nature seems to be clean out of fucks to give about anyone.
@@poutinedream5066 Nature is a process and has no feelings. All the "Mother Nature" stuff is fun to talk about, but you're right that there's no fucks to give and no one to give them anyway.
The fact only 3 out of 10 have been identified... and only 10 have been found out of 43... The poor families of those left behind. May they rest in eternal sunshine.
I'm surprised those that have been found but not identified can't be by DNA samples. Unless some medical examiners are working on that. When it's mentioned that some are found mummified that might make it easier to identify by clothing (if any) Or if the bodies are somewhat intact and frozen they can look at the face, tattoos, birthmarks etc. Such a tremendous loss in such an unsuspecting and sudden event.
@@kspen6110 afaik the bodies are the opposite on intact, so what they find are pretty much random remains, like a bunch of bones and stuff. Some things can be identified by clothing etc. DNA has some restrictions apart from conservation, for example the person may not have close blood relatives at this point (died too young to have kids, and the parents are already dead and of course noone will undig them to get DNA), and everyone else either does not care or isnt a blood relative (a spouse / parter for example).
Way back in time, we had a group of high school students who went out skiing in the Carpathians, in Romania.Despite being told of the high chance of avalanche in the area, their teacher pressed on... only survivor was the one guy who forgot his snow googles and went back to the lodge for them.
@@acat674 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A2lea_Lake if you check the wiki on Balea Lake, there is a small mention of it. Unfortunately, i can't find anything in English. So you would have to translate the romanian news articles you can find in the "references' category. Also, it happened in 1977 and the communist regime silenced the whole affair and didn't make a lot of fuss about it. So, there aren't many articles.
Stevie Ray Vaughn would be alive along with Kobe if they had not gotten on those helicopters. People fly in helicopters everyday but if one malfunctions it's not as simple as pulling over onto the shoulder
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Beautifully, sensitively and respectfully presented. Thank you. I don't believe that the team could possibly have anticipated that avalanche, given all of the factors involved. It was a freak event. RIP climbers, and my condolences for their families and friends. ❤️
Maybe I'm just paranoid but even with a different name, the "Frying Pan" looks like the worst possible place to be, let alone camp. The thing is in the middle of the mountain and looks like the perfect place for ALL the avalanches to fall into as in a funnel...Like, you can see the entire mountain and ice overseeing it. That's when you meme "It's a trap!". Seriously, maybe it's just the video gamer in me but that thing looked like an obvious death trap the moment you showed it.
Maybe it's time to re-name it "The Graveyard"?, or "Avalanche Basin"?, or "Buried-Alive Bowl"?, or "The Death Zone"? "Frying pan" seems a little misleading and understating of the inherent dangers of such a location to me. "Commie-Killer Cauldron"? "Snow-tomb Memorial Campground"? "Climber-Killer Danger Area"? or how about just, "Closed to camping due to extreme avalanche danger"? Naming landmarks can be a tricky business.
The Russians so seem to love climbing and extreme weather. Seems crazy since so many dangers are present. There are many stories of deaths. Yet they keep at it.
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I liked the little geographic "infographic animation" you did with the location plus the minerals there.. not done yet but nice touch. Very educational.
This just reinforces my belief that people who climb mountains for fun are a strange breed of crazy. I honestly don't see the attraction as it combines two of my least liked conditions: Heights and cold. (I've fallen off ladders three times and this just seems about as sensible as standing in water while playing with Mr. Electricity.)
I was watching the story of the first summit to Mattherhon (by Whimper, et al). One of the guys who was interviewed, a mountaineer himself, said that Whimper is likely to be egotistic. He also added that very few sports is more egotistical than mountaineering. I never saw it that way but then I've only done hiking and some rock climbing yet never done any technical climb.
Hard for me to have much sympathy for a bunch of rich adrenaline junkies who play Russian roulette with mother nature and lose. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Lenin peak isn't located in Tajikistan. It's between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. And in Kyrgyzstan it's still called Lenin peak. Also most popular routes to peak goes from Kyrgyzstan (practically all routes) including this tragic expedition.
Climbing tall mountain like Everest is a form of insanity. What does it accomplish? It's already been done, nothing to be gained except hazard death and leave trash on top of the mountain.
Leaving an opinion on the internet is a form of insanity. What does it accomplish? It's already been done, nothing to be gained except some likes and leave trash on other peoples feeds.
Could anyone have predicted that avalanche would happen on that day? No. But extreme temperature fluctuations often cause hazards like avalanches, floods, land slides, black ice, and other dangerous conditions. Like ice road crossings becoming unstable. Dangerous driving conditions. So you should always be wary when that happens. Even in cities in northern climates, we all know that an especially warm day followed by a cold night = nightmare conditions. Icy roads, roof slides, falling icicles, it's very dangerous. Even with no extreme weather pattern. Just sunny, then cold, and you've got a problem. That's something everyone should keep in mind. A large fluctuation is going to cause some hazards to develop.
As a mountaineer myself I know the risk, as all mountaineers do. Any mountain can become deadly. Ive told my friends and family that if I ever die on one of my adventures, just know I went out doing what I love...
Stay off the mountain and prevent these “tragedies “ you speak of …. A tragedy is an infant falling into a pool unattended… this is stupidity use the brain come on you go it in there I know it
In the context of its peer mountains for which climbers come to Lenin Peak for training. It is not very technical climb, unless you purposefully choose such a route. Its routes are well explored and “kinda” safe. It’s popular for young and aspiring climbers to get used on a low oxygen levels, and train in real Himalaya conditions… And maybe the most important thing no matter how strange it seems.. No expensive or complicated climbing permits (which plagues M’t Everest for example) So perfect training ground for the ones who aspires 8 thousanders
Great video Archie, the quality of your videos improves with each release, you can tell good editing when you don't notice it, because you are so absorbed in the story.
@@shaan702do you mean we are cut dissociated from Nature ? May has Nature made an experience with us, letting the human brain evolves that way.. cutting the link with her ? Evolution dead end. May technic, science, chemie be natural as they are the products of a brain brought by Nature ? That is the hit. It will kill us nevertheless
I'm going to go out on a limb here and toss out the idea that one of the factors may have been that humans just got complacent because of how safe the mountain had been and they may not have been as attuned to the mountain as they could have been on maybe another mountain. Just speculation on my part.
Well depends what clothes you are wearing. In snowy/wet conditions like this, you shouldn’t sleep with things that are wet or damp on your body as that can lower your body temperature, making you more susceptible to hypothermia. Also, damp material can foster a lot of bacterial growth and since the human body naturally gives off some heat, that little bit of heated water can foster some nasty stuff. Not to mention your feet do need to ‘breath’ as well. Even if your boots are ‘dry’, the excursions from the day activities causes your feet to also sweat and not taking yours boots and socks off just traps that sweat in your feet. Not saying a one night boot on slumber will cause you to lose a foot or anything (unless you blister or cut something), but most active camping people will take boots off for health and safety reasons when they’re on a trip.
From what I’ve observed, the dangerous activities take people commonly, and doesn’t make much news when they die, and this makes it so it doesn’t seem so dangerous. While the opposite is true for the safe activities. Safe activities take people in large groups, make the new, and scares everyone into thinking that it’s dangerous. Think this would be a good example. Everything is dangerous, never let your guard down.
Just imagine if people actually respected the danger that driving on the roads and highways contains. They wouldn't use cellphones and cross 4 lanes trying to make the exit ramp they missed.
Some say they could have camped in a so called safer area, but many climbing in Himalaya's have done that, have guessed at a safer spot, only to have an avalanche hit them anyway. These people did nothing wrong, nothing crazy or risky. Nature, itself is a predator, we can choose to fear it or choose to love it and live life to the fullest with it. God Bless these people.
@@michaelciccone2194 first off, she didn’t. Second, how do you know she said Jesus like “Gee-zus” and not “hay-suess”? Or that it wasn’t Jesus the noun but rather jesus used as an interjection? Get off your soapbox and leave people alone.
Heavy abnormal snowfall and then great weather ideal conditions for a avalanche but also perfect situation to let ur guard down it’s tragic but is symbolic of the activity maybe it’s mine one day as well
I was thinking the same thing and reading the comments waiting for someone to say it. Heavy snowfall after no snowfall and good weather pretty standard conditions for unstable snow and an avalanche… maybe they were excited but they could have thought about it more? Just saying… tragic either way.
Did the mountain kill them or did the circumstances and their challenges and surprises overwhelm the preparation, decisions and forecasting / safety management of the climbers.
An avalanche is a hiker's worst enemy! Rest in peace to the 43. 14 years ago, I was hit by an avalanche in the Canadian Rockies. My work buddy tried his best to move the jeep away from the path of the oncoming avalanche, but we were too slow, and the edge of the avalanche hit our jeep with the impact of a severe car crash, tumbling our car along with the avalanche to the bottom of the ravine, about 30 feet below the highway. My buddy got a concussion, and I got 2 fractured ribs, sprained wrist, broken knuckles, meanwhile, we both got many lacerations from the sharp ice pieces and gravel that broke through the windshield and side windows on impact. I still get phantom rib pain and phantom leg pain every now and then, especially before a major thunderstorm. However, I know I am of the mountain because this incident has not scared me away from mountains, it has instead given me greater respect for the power of the mountain.
Thank you for the nice video, as always! But a few details - most of the routes to the peak, especially the easier ones are from Kyrgyzstan, and the peak is on the border of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Also it's still officially called Lenin Peak in Kyrgyzstan ☺️
Wow. How do I feel. I actually just finished the video and almost a little overwhelmed and numbed to start. It’s such a powerful and tragic story and this presentation was very well scripted plus-more so-the voice is extra pleasing to the ear. Since I was born on Friday the 13th, I can’t promote triskaidekaphobia, though the date and day may have played their parts. It seems like a crazy conspiracy of circumstances between the weather including possible earthquake, accumulation of snow with no avalanche for 30 years, actions of neighboring governments etc. ad infinitum. that created a once in like six centuries freak happenstance that leaves us as sad and sorry for those lost and their loved ones as it does shaking our heads, still puzzled by and dissatisfied with the facts we have and conclusions we can’t draw. Again, Bravo! I found that a profound event accompanied by the production and presentation qualities it deserves. Thank you. 🙏🏽✌🏽❤️
I have a strange fascination with people who hike these big snowy dangerous mountains. I hate winter so it’s not something I would ever do. But I am a thrill seeker just the same. There is something about the risk not weighing as much as the reward. That balance is delicate and often the scales r heavy.
Very tragic story indeed. I don't think this avalanche could have been predicted.. there was none in decades and everything seemed ok that day. May the souls of those who died thst fateful day R.I.P
Avalanche are troubling because of the unexpected nature.. oddly enough it's something I dreamt of, although never experiencing one, where my son and I had got behind a large tree and curled up and was burried and couldn't breath but we had space.. it was a weird dream and I keep wondering what it meant. In the same location as that dream I dreamt the damn up stream of the lake flooded the entire area too. But the area I dreamt of isn't really dangerous but I did encounter in real life, some bad weather and a long walk on a frozen lake we had to hike because there was no way to get to the area by a car. That's what makes me think that not all safe areas will show what they are really made of until the day disaster happens.
I have reoccuring dreams that sounds similar. But I usually get them if I am stressed. I just think dreams reflect your daytime state of mind in an abstract way
@@Linda-jl5lx that time frame may have been stressful but also time spent in that geographic location, the isolation & self reliance, but those dreams were not reoccurring, the one about tornadoes were since early childhood until one dream in 2012 where I sought out the tornado and caught it and found out it was merely made of cotton candy and ate it. Crazy or what?
@@PlatinumLemur i sometimes have nightmares about running out of time, or there is a big wave coming. I have only faced my nightmare creature once. I spent the dream running away from it. It was taunting me, telling me that I was cornered and he would kill me. But first he wanted to slowly break all my fingers.. l i got fed up running away from my fear so i turned around and channeled all my rage in a roar. I refused to run any more. He looked at me and just burned away silently. Dreams are weird
@@Linda-jl5lx oddly enough a friend of mine years ago told me of a reoccurring nightmare she had where people were chasing after her and she'd end it by flying away every time. I asked her if she knew why this crowd was chasing her and she said she didn't know and I said she could ask herself, after all it was her dream, right? But I didn't expect she'd have the same nightmare a few weeks later and she said when she did remember, instead of flying away she turned around and asked them "why are you people chasing me?" & instead of angry mad faces in the crowd she was met with "we just wanted to talk to you, but you kept ignoring us and it made us mad!" She explained it was like she made friends with them and it felt like a party. I didn't know that later on about an irrational event like a tornado or a monster or something but for her, the monsters turned into friends. I'm guessing it meant something she had to face, intellectually or emotionally that may have been a negative but turned into an understanding.
Coming from the mountains in B.C. Canada I think the climbers should have been more wary of avalanche with the abnormal amount of snow. Without the earthquake the avalanche may have been smaller but still a definite possibility.
6:35: If there is a place along the mountain so warm it’s nicknamed “The Frying Pan”…the heck I would want that to be my base camp, with miles of snow hovering above me. 😳
Many don't think of sunburns. I live in Texas and have a tan from being shirtless in early April. I worked on a pipeline in the high desert on the east rim of the Flaming Gorge in Wyoming summer of 2019. I got scorched working my first day so bad my ears had scabs on them the entire two months because i got burnt so bad the first fricking day.
Usually the amount of snowfall, and land contour will show you if there is a possibility of an avalanche. Why couldn't they use judgement this way, if they all were professionals at climbing?
@@mihalyshilage5826 You'd think, but look at the amount of skiers, that cause avalanches on themselves . Sometimes people forget to use their judgement on things.
Even so-called 'expert climbers' either wouldn't even attempt to climb up the mountain when the weather conditions are gonna be as BAD as that, or at least know when to TURN BACK when things go SOUTH...
Archie --- Video suggestion, decrease the bass / reverb a bit. Those lower frequencies are just noise sound. Edit added: I tried adjusting my speakers. Most video I play on YT sounds normal, yours sound like you recorded from the inside of a big bass drum.
I realize this took place a long time ago, but it seems like some combination of ground-penetrating radar, snow blowers and flame-throwers where appropriate would be a more efficient way to recover bodies. Or perhaps prevent an avalanche by releasing stress caused by excess snow. I realize these methods carry their own risks, but surely there are engineers that can come up with contingency plans.
All of those things were available when this took place. The terrain of mountains often makes rescuing the dead a pursuit not worth the risk. Authorities often know exactly where the bodies are located but have to leave them where they lay. They sometimes even become landmarks for future moutanieers. Two great examples of this are "Green Boots" and "Sleeping Beauty" on Mount Everest. Eventually authorities moved them to less visible locations, but they still remain on the mountain.
I can't imagine too many ways to die that are more horrible then being buried alive and crushed. Suffocated. I don't think there was any way to tell in advance this was going to happen. It was just not their day.
Big avalanches hitting you at any camp is just nightmare fuel. Most of these poor people probably survived the initial hit, knowing they were a dozen feet under and now just waiting......
...not everyone that pulls the dragon's tail; dies...it's that you are alive when you do...(could happen to anyone) Learn from them so that they can be honored! Situational awareness! Sometimes its shit like this...Oh! always keep everything in your bag w/you keeps it warm and near...damn
05:18 balyberdin is a superstar. He won 70km ski race to get in Himalaya team. I won it too previous year. He was first to take northern wall without oxygen.
Nature does not care about predictability, not the arrogance of those who believe they know everything about what they do predict correctly. These people were caught in a situation that no one could have ever dreamt te severity of, and unfortunately paid the price of our unintentional ignorance.
I enjoyed watching this video, however I cannot understand why people continue to risk their lives on this dangerous mountain! This accident was indeed heartbreaking! Personally, I like to fish for Tarpon in the Florida Keys using A heavy duty fly rod! Thank You! Lois
What an unfortunate situation. I suspect underground earthquake. Even if they had heavy snowfall that day, it wouldn't move an avalanche this huge. Our Earth is alive and well. So much going on beneath the surface. So glad to hear that they have re-named the peak. Lenin doesn't deserve to have anything to be attached to his name.
the memories of the days prior to the avalanche did report a lot of snow... they knew it had been snowing unusually hard, that, in a region which did not usually get snow (the peak is in a very arid area on the edge of the desert)... because avalanches were not a thing, it was not part of their risk assessment, however, in hindsight, there were many ingredients of an avalanche very much present...
Why do some people need to do outrageous things to feel they have accomplished something? Use the money to save starving children, human traffiking...something w real purpise
Lol the dude tried saying he survived bc of how physically strong he is... My guy, you got hit and flung into the air by a gigantic avalanche and fell off a mountain and didn't get impaled or covered by ice and snow. Ain't got nothing to do with your physical strength
you don't think strength/conditioning has anything to do with being able to withstand force? yes, he's one of the "lucky" ones that didn't get completely buried, but if he were weak, he likely would not have survived at all
@@ClaytonJonesImages lol no literally not even a little bit. Your strength and conditioning has nothing to do with being able to survive falling off a mountain. In fact, you're most likely to survive a fall from great heights if your body is completely limp. Same with being in a high-speed car crash... Limp body means greater odds of survival. That's why drunk drivers are more likely to survive in a high speed car crash than the sober victims of a drunk driver hitting them
@@03stmlax these are things of which I am aware, but circumstances vary (like the manner in which you fall). Being limp helps, but if your body is well conditioned, you will be able to withstand more damage when you consider everything
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The moment I saw the dude that survived Everest leaving cuz he got a 'bad feeling' I would be packing and leaving with him
Absolutely as a "feeling" is the result of an subconscious computing of his very experienced climber's brain.
The brain drops the result, assessing "bad!". does not show all the data that have been computed..
Amazing
Exactly. We can't ignore those feelings because they're based on factors that we're not aware of
Having read lots of books on mountaineering tragedies, and also an avid follower of natural disasters, there is one theme that stands out every time. Nature does not care about any of us.
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Absolutely.
Wait you just fathomed this . Do you think that the universe or anything cares about how many humans die . It’s amazing people as naivety
One thing this channel has taught me : there are a LOT of heartbreaking tragedies I've never heard of. 😭
Yes!
Why do you say that it's a tragedy? They knew the risk. They died doing what they love.
Part of the human condition. How did you just notice
Yup, a lot of sacrifice has been made all over the world which is a great learning tool for the rest of us! 👍
lol
They had no chance. 1.6 km wide avalanche is something BIG. I was shocked the few survivors did not freeze in socks and no jackets. That is something miracle. The instinct of the one climber who turned back in time was also incredible. He was the best climber and yet he knew something was not right there.
Just the first sovietic climber into climb Everest, it must gave him a big experience and knowledge.
1.6 km of barreling snow down a mountain... damn
@@omahanprabla3058 Even small avalanches can be deadly. In the book, "Snowy Torrents," covering snow avalanches from 1900 to 1970(ish), the preface of the book states that avalanches have been known to 'fall' on a slope that is 1 degree. A ONE-Degree slope!!!! I am an avalanche survivor, BTW.
There was weirdly heavy snow. The climber that survived did specifically warn others and pick a tent away from common avalanche paths and even then it hit him too. I think even if everybody had followed his advice, the avalanche sounds big enough it would have killed anyway. Sometimes even good preperation won't stop bad luck.
That avalanche was just plain deadly and too much heavy snow. The survivors were lucky because it’s so destructive
That's why I could never do mountaineering, even if I wasn't so lazy. I'm way too control oriented to be in a place where so many things are completely out of my control. Nature seems to be clean out of fucks to give about anyone.
@@poutinedream5066 Nature is a process and has no feelings. All the "Mother Nature" stuff is fun to talk about, but you're right that there's no fucks to give and no one to give them anyway.
Good preparation is TURN BACK.
That’s not what the video says! Geeeez!
The fact only 3 out of 10 have been identified... and only 10 have been found out of 43...
The poor families of those left behind. May they rest in eternal sunshine.
In recent years, the ice and snow are melting, and remains are showing up.
I'm surprised those that have been found but not identified can't be by DNA samples. Unless some medical examiners are working on that.
When it's mentioned that some are found mummified that might make it easier to identify by clothing (if any)
Or if the bodies are somewhat intact and frozen they can look at the face, tattoos, birthmarks etc.
Such a tremendous loss in such an unsuspecting and sudden event.
@@kspen6110 afaik the bodies are the opposite on intact, so what they find are pretty much random remains, like a bunch of bones and stuff. Some things can be identified by clothing etc. DNA has some restrictions apart from conservation, for example the person may not have close blood relatives at this point (died too young to have kids, and the parents are already dead and of course noone will undig them to get DNA), and everyone else either does not care or isnt a blood relative (a spouse / parter for example).
Nah... most of them are still resting in ice. Let's not be delusional ;)
Mountaineers know if they die on a mountain that they'll probably be there forever. Their families know this as well.
6:04 Probably the first time someone was saved by bad shoes. Usually it's the other way around.
Exactly
Way back in time, we had a group of high school students who went out skiing in the Carpathians, in Romania.Despite being told of the high chance of avalanche in the area, their teacher pressed on... only survivor was the one guy who forgot his snow googles and went back to the lodge for them.
@@gixmax I’d love to read about this, mind telling me what to look up?
@@acat674 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A2lea_Lake if you check the wiki on Balea Lake, there is a small mention of it. Unfortunately, i can't find anything in English. So you would have to translate the romanian news articles you can find in the "references' category. Also, it happened in 1977 and the communist regime silenced the whole affair and didn't make a lot of fuss about it. So, there aren't many articles.
Stevie Ray Vaughn would be alive along with Kobe if they had not gotten on those helicopters. People fly in helicopters everyday but if one malfunctions it's not as simple as pulling over onto the shoulder
I love how you put effort to pronounce Russian surnames correctly and you're killing it. As a Russian I really appreciate this
He sounds like he has Soviet roots to me.
As a slovak it was funny pronounciation
Он русский, у них есть второй канал мистика, где девушка основной ведущий
ENDUT! HOCH HECH!
Why do you care about something so superficial?
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@@ArchiesArchive thanks for consistently putting up great videos, most are stories that are uncommon to have heard before, your narrative is so great. Hope you know how much you videos mean for us
Beautifully, sensitively and respectfully presented. Thank you.
I don't believe that the team could possibly have anticipated that avalanche, given all of the factors involved.
It was a freak event. RIP climbers, and my condolences for their families and friends. ❤️
All mountains of that height have a high element of danger. Not the least of which are avalanche.
All people are TREACHEROUS...
Maybe I'm just paranoid but even with a different name, the "Frying Pan" looks like the worst possible place to be, let alone camp. The thing is in the middle of the mountain and looks like the perfect place for ALL the avalanches to fall into as in a funnel...Like, you can see the entire mountain and ice overseeing it. That's when you meme "It's a trap!".
Seriously, maybe it's just the video gamer in me but that thing looked like an obvious death trap the moment you showed it.
Maybe it's time to re-name it "The Graveyard"?, or "Avalanche Basin"?, or "Buried-Alive Bowl"?, or "The Death Zone"?
"Frying pan" seems a little misleading and understating of the inherent dangers of such a location to me.
"Commie-Killer Cauldron"? "Snow-tomb Memorial Campground"? "Climber-Killer Danger Area"? or how about just, "Closed to camping due to extreme avalanche danger"? Naming landmarks can be a tricky business.
"Popsickle Factory"?, "Future Iceman Exhibit"? "Warning: High-Density Corpse Area. Cannibalism is prohibited"?
"Danger: Sudden Death from Avalanche may occur at any time. Don't camp here".
@@zipperpillow good ideas.. so the name makes it clear. No misunderstanding.
This was extremely interesting. I don’t think the avalanche could have been anticipated. I really enjoy learning about the Soviet climbers.
From the evidence presented here, I agree that it couldn't be anticipated.
The Russians so seem to love climbing and extreme weather. Seems crazy since so many dangers are present. There are many stories of deaths. Yet they keep at it.
Overcoming great dangers is rewarding
@@nadinewilliams6465 such is the human condition, to push boundaries in extreme conditions.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. I know. I have had to do so. I just wouldn't put myself in a place that almost ensures it.
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Fake ass comments, with the same broken English. Your spamming
Computer voice.
So very sorry for all the relatives who suffered a great loss.
No need to be sorry has nothing to do with you
@@kenhofer8063 No need to reply: this comment had nothing to do with you
I liked the little geographic "infographic animation" you did with the location plus the minerals there.. not done yet but nice touch. Very educational.
This just reinforces my belief that people who climb mountains for fun are a strange breed of crazy. I honestly don't see the attraction as it combines two of my least liked conditions: Heights and cold. (I've fallen off ladders three times and this just seems about as sensible as standing in water while playing with Mr. Electricity.)
Their arrogance outlasts their luck
Is it crazy???? Or....is it....gay?
It’s the stupidest thing I can think of besides caving.
You'll never be great.
I was watching the story of the first summit to Mattherhon (by Whimper, et al). One of the guys who was interviewed, a mountaineer himself, said that Whimper is likely to be egotistic. He also added that very few sports is more egotistical than mountaineering. I never saw it that way but then I've only done hiking and some rock climbing yet never done any technical climb.
Tragic. No way could they have known this could have happened.
Why. ? Avalanches in snowy mountain areas are common.
Hard for me to have much sympathy for a bunch of rich adrenaline junkies who play Russian roulette with mother nature and lose. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Lenin Peak: “I killed 46 people at once!”
Lenin: “Amateur”
In a way it's a fitting name for the mountain
Lenin's death toll of fellow Soviets, increased by 46 that night.
Did it make sense in your head?
Add tens of millions, of course.
Putin is not up to Stalin's count ~ by far, yet.
Thank you very much for the upload Archie. Brilliant video as usual. Love from 🇬🇧
Thanks!
Lenin peak isn't located in Tajikistan. It's between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. And in Kyrgyzstan it's still called Lenin peak. Also most popular routes to peak goes from Kyrgyzstan (practically all routes) including this tragic expedition.
Climbing tall mountain like Everest is a form of insanity. What does it accomplish? It's already been done, nothing to be gained except hazard death and leave trash on top of the mountain.
Arrogance and idiocy
Leaving an opinion on the internet is a form of insanity. What does it accomplish? It's already been done, nothing to be gained except some likes and leave trash on other peoples feeds.
Some people need to live close to death to feel alive. A form of mental illness no doubt.
Agree but if anyone must can they at least prepare for years and put the life of their Sherpa before their ego
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So you are also trapped... Jiggle to get free.
it’s 4am and I should be asleep 😂😂so why not just stay up for 40 more minutes 👌
It's okay, you're right on track, life's short 🥰🥱🤟💖💅
@@ellesbells902you married yet? 😂
Nice put together doc on this sad event. Very respectful and informative on what actually happened. Well done😇
Could anyone have predicted that avalanche would happen on that day? No. But extreme temperature fluctuations often cause hazards like avalanches, floods, land slides, black ice, and other dangerous conditions. Like ice road crossings becoming unstable. Dangerous driving conditions. So you should always be wary when that happens.
Even in cities in northern climates, we all know that an especially warm day followed by a cold night = nightmare conditions. Icy roads, roof slides, falling icicles, it's very dangerous. Even with no extreme weather pattern. Just sunny, then cold, and you've got a problem.
That's something everyone should keep in mind. A large fluctuation is going to cause some hazards to develop.
Life is a MOTHERFUCKER...
As a mountaineer myself I know the risk, as all mountaineers do. Any mountain can become deadly. Ive told my friends and family that if I ever die on one of my adventures, just know I went out doing what I love...
Life is deadly anyway
Anywhere!
Love the unpretentious, yet compelling storytelling of yours. Great work. Keep it up. Best from Germany
Great video. Loved the respectful presence of your narration tone, and the personal readings narration. Thanks.
that's very unfortunate.. RIP to the victims
Quality content as usual 👌
Such a tragedy RIP to all of those involved. My condolences to the families.
Stay off the mountain and prevent these “tragedies “ you speak of …. A tragedy is an infant falling into a pool unattended… this is stupidity use the brain come on you go it in there I know it
In what possible context could a 23,000+ feet high mountain ever be considered "serene and harmless"? 🤔
In the context of its peer mountains for which climbers come to Lenin Peak for training.
It is not very technical climb, unless you purposefully choose such a route.
Its routes are well explored and “kinda” safe.
It’s popular for young and aspiring climbers to get used on a low oxygen levels, and train in real Himalaya conditions…
And maybe the most important thing no matter how strange it seems.. No expensive or complicated climbing permits (which plagues M’t Everest for example)
So perfect training ground for the ones who aspires 8 thousanders
Great video Archie, the quality of your videos improves with each release, you can tell good editing when you don't notice it, because you are so absorbed in the story.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for these stories! We are helpless against nature.
Thank you for watching!
Stay home.
Yea but nature is helpless against us too. We are the harbingers of the Anthropocene.
@@ArchiesArchive Yes, more videos about people gettin' BURIED ALIVE please!
@@shaan702do you mean we are cut dissociated from Nature ?
May has Nature made an experience with us, letting the human brain evolves that way.. cutting the link with her ?
Evolution dead end.
May technic, science, chemie be natural as they are the products of a brain brought by Nature ?
That is the hit.
It will kill us nevertheless
I'm going to go out on a limb here and toss out the idea that one of the factors may have been that humans just got complacent because of how safe the mountain had been and they may not have been as attuned to the mountain as they could have been on maybe another mountain. Just speculation on my part.
The more I hear about this camping and hiking suddenly going so wrong..if I ever go camping I’m sleeping clothed with my boots on.
This is a little beyond camping and hiking just saying
Good idea... At least you'll be properly dressed when you die!
@@bryancushman7106 Yes, it's about being BURIED ALIVE... 😱
Well depends what clothes you are wearing. In snowy/wet conditions like this, you shouldn’t sleep with things that are wet or damp on your body as that can lower your body temperature, making you more susceptible to hypothermia. Also, damp material can foster a lot of bacterial growth and since the human body naturally gives off some heat, that little bit of heated water can foster some nasty stuff.
Not to mention your feet do need to ‘breath’ as well. Even if your boots are ‘dry’, the excursions from the day activities causes your feet to also sweat and not taking yours boots and socks off just traps that sweat in your feet.
Not saying a one night boot on slumber will cause you to lose a foot or anything (unless you blister or cut something), but most active camping people will take boots off for health and safety reasons when they’re on a trip.
@@jendoe9436people don't realize, if you close are wet and cold...your in ICE.....best to not keep them on if you have any option
If you're wearing a tshirt on the summit of a mountain you should know the chance of an avalanche is much higher
"Are you a believer?"
"No, I'm just physically strong"
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From what I’ve observed, the dangerous activities take people commonly, and doesn’t make much news when they die, and this makes it so it doesn’t seem so dangerous. While the opposite is true for the safe activities. Safe activities take people in large groups, make the new, and scares everyone into thinking that it’s dangerous.
Think this would be a good example. Everything is dangerous, never let your guard down.
Just imagine if people actually respected the danger that driving on the roads and highways contains. They wouldn't use cellphones and cross 4 lanes trying to make the exit ramp they missed.
Your content is gonna blow up soon, there’s no way it won’t when it’s this good! 🖤
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Some say they could have camped in a so called safer area, but many climbing in Himalaya's have done that, have guessed at a safer spot, only to have an avalanche hit them anyway. These people did nothing wrong, nothing crazy or risky. Nature, itself is a predator, we can choose to fear it or choose to love it and live life to the fullest with it. God Bless these people.
The bad boots story is strangely heartening. Incompetence ain't always a bad thing kids!
Edit: Jesus that is so tragic😔
Please don't take the name of Jesus in vain.
@@michaelciccone2194 first off, she didn’t. Second, how do you know she said Jesus like “Gee-zus” and not “hay-suess”? Or that it wasn’t Jesus the noun but rather jesus used as an interjection? Get off your soapbox and leave people alone.
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Another interesting, well-made video.
Heavy abnormal snowfall and then great weather ideal conditions for a avalanche but also perfect situation to let ur guard down it’s tragic but is symbolic of the activity maybe it’s mine one day as well
I was thinking the same thing and reading the comments waiting for someone to say it. Heavy snowfall after no snowfall and good weather pretty standard conditions for unstable snow and an avalanche… maybe they were excited but they could have thought about it more? Just saying… tragic either way.
Did the mountain kill them or did the circumstances and their challenges and surprises overwhelm the preparation, decisions and forecasting / safety management of the climbers.
An avalanche is a hiker's worst enemy! Rest in peace to the 43.
14 years ago, I was hit by an avalanche in the Canadian Rockies. My work buddy tried his best to move the jeep away from the path of the oncoming avalanche, but we were too slow, and the edge of the avalanche hit our jeep with the impact of a severe car crash, tumbling our car along with the avalanche to the bottom of the ravine, about 30 feet below the highway. My buddy got a concussion, and I got 2 fractured ribs, sprained wrist, broken knuckles, meanwhile, we both got many lacerations from the sharp ice pieces and gravel that broke through the windshield and side windows on impact.
I still get phantom rib pain and phantom leg pain every now and then, especially before a major thunderstorm. However, I know I am of the mountain because this incident has not scared me away from mountains, it has instead given me greater respect for the power of the mountain.
Why have we never heard of this story? Just so sad
Never heard of this before. Thanks for a very good doc.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the nice video, as always!
But a few details - most of the routes to the peak, especially the easier ones are from Kyrgyzstan, and the peak is on the border of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. Also it's still officially called Lenin Peak in Kyrgyzstan ☺️
Wow. How do I feel. I actually just finished the video and almost a little overwhelmed and numbed to start. It’s such a powerful and tragic story and this presentation was very well scripted plus-more so-the voice is extra pleasing to the ear.
Since I was born on Friday the 13th, I can’t promote triskaidekaphobia, though the date and day may have played their parts. It seems like a crazy conspiracy of circumstances between the weather including possible earthquake, accumulation of snow with no avalanche for 30 years, actions of neighboring governments etc. ad infinitum. that created a once in like six centuries freak happenstance that leaves us as sad and sorry for those lost and their loved ones as it does shaking our heads, still puzzled by and dissatisfied with the facts we have and conclusions we can’t draw.
Again, Bravo! I found that a profound event accompanied by the production and presentation qualities it deserves. Thank you.
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I doubt the date had anything to fo with it, every country fears a different number, it's dumb, sorry. But I think you know that😅
With Mother Nature can you ever be 100% prepared. R.i.p. To all who lived and died- living their dreams
I have a strange fascination with people who hike these big snowy dangerous mountains. I hate winter so it’s not something I would ever do. But I am a thrill seeker just the same. There is something about the risk not weighing as much as the reward. That balance is delicate and often the scales r heavy.
Very tragic story indeed. I don't think this avalanche could have been predicted.. there was none in decades and everything seemed ok that day. May the souls of those who died thst fateful day R.I.P
Avalanche are troubling because of the unexpected nature.. oddly enough it's something I dreamt of, although never experiencing one, where my son and I had got behind a large tree and curled up and was burried and couldn't breath but we had space.. it was a weird dream and I keep wondering what it meant. In the same location as that dream I dreamt the damn up stream of the lake flooded the entire area too. But the area I dreamt of isn't really dangerous but I did encounter in real life, some bad weather and a long walk on a frozen lake we had to hike because there was no way to get to the area by a car. That's what makes me think that not all safe areas will show what they are really made of until the day disaster happens.
I have reoccuring dreams that sounds similar. But I usually get them if I am stressed. I just think dreams reflect your daytime state of mind in an abstract way
@@Linda-jl5lx that time frame may have been stressful but also time spent in that geographic location, the isolation & self reliance, but those dreams were not reoccurring, the one about tornadoes were since early childhood until one dream in 2012 where I sought out the tornado and caught it and found out it was merely made of cotton candy and ate it. Crazy or what?
@@PlatinumLemur i sometimes have nightmares about running out of time, or there is a big wave coming. I have only faced my nightmare creature once. I spent the dream running away from it. It was taunting me, telling me that I was cornered and he would kill me. But first he wanted to slowly break all my fingers.. l i got fed up running away from my fear so i turned around and channeled all my rage in a roar. I refused to run any more. He looked at me and just burned away silently. Dreams are weird
@@Linda-jl5lx oddly enough a friend of mine years ago told me of a reoccurring nightmare she had where people were chasing after her and she'd end it by flying away every time. I asked her if she knew why this crowd was chasing her and she said she didn't know and I said she could ask herself, after all it was her dream, right? But I didn't expect she'd have the same nightmare a few weeks later and she said when she did remember, instead of flying away she turned around and asked them "why are you people chasing me?" & instead of angry mad faces in the crowd she was met with "we just wanted to talk to you, but you kept ignoring us and it made us mad!" She explained it was like she made friends with them and it felt like a party. I didn't know that later on about an irrational event like a tornado or a monster or something but for her, the monsters turned into friends. I'm guessing it meant something she had to face, intellectually or emotionally that may have been a negative but turned into an understanding.
Coming from the mountains in B.C. Canada I think the climbers should have been more wary of avalanche with the abnormal amount of snow. Without the earthquake the avalanche may have been smaller but still a definite possibility.
Man vs Mother Nature you already knows who wins
Great video! My first one on this channel. Think I'll watch another one!
6:35: If there is a place along the mountain so warm it’s nicknamed “The Frying Pan”…the heck I would want that to be my base camp, with miles of snow hovering above me. 😳
Many don't think of sunburns. I live in Texas and have a tan from being shirtless in early April. I worked on a pipeline in the high desert on the east rim of the Flaming Gorge in Wyoming summer of 2019. I got scorched working my first day so bad my ears had scabs on them the entire two months because i got burnt so bad the first fricking day.
This is why those dudes in Saudi Arabia, etc are tricked out in long white or light coloured robes
Usually the amount of snowfall, and land contour will show you if there is a possibility of an avalanche. Why couldn't they use judgement this way, if they all were professionals at climbing?
Perhaps they each had assumed that if it were a risk, someone else would have said something
@@mihalyshilage5826 You'd think, but look at the amount of skiers, that cause avalanches on themselves . Sometimes people forget to use their judgement on things.
Even so-called 'expert climbers' either wouldn't even attempt to climb up the mountain when the weather conditions are gonna be as BAD as that, or at least know when to TURN BACK when things go SOUTH...
There was an earthquake!
Archie --- Video suggestion, decrease the bass / reverb a bit. Those lower frequencies are just noise sound. Edit added: I tried adjusting my speakers. Most video I play on YT sounds normal, yours sound like you recorded from the inside of a big bass drum.
Yes, please add some Russian disco-style DANCE CLUB BEATS to it... Like 120 BPM would be quite nice and very catchy! ✌😎👍
craving lemonade after an avalanche is wild
Great job, its really entertaining. Me, being a Czech, I found it very Interesting to catch some Czech and Slovak footprint in the story this time.
nice work , good documentary
An interesting and well made video. Thanks
Mountains are unpredictable, poor guys.
I realize this took place a long time ago, but it seems like some combination of ground-penetrating radar, snow blowers and flame-throwers where appropriate would be a more efficient way to recover bodies. Or perhaps prevent an avalanche by releasing stress caused by excess snow. I realize these methods carry their own risks, but surely there are engineers that can come up with contingency plans.
All of those things were available when this took place. The terrain of mountains often makes rescuing the dead a pursuit not worth the risk. Authorities often know exactly where the bodies are located but have to leave them where they lay. They sometimes even become landmarks for future moutanieers. Two great examples of this are "Green Boots" and "Sleeping Beauty" on Mount Everest. Eventually authorities moved them to less visible locations, but they still remain on the mountain.
I can't imagine too many ways to die that are more horrible then being buried alive and crushed. Suffocated. I don't think there was any way to tell in advance this was going to happen. It was just not their day.
Informative,interesting,beautifully written and narrated with such a lovely voice amazing Channel ❤
So touch by ur video!
Still n my memories, 4 ever 😢
Big avalanches hitting you at any camp is just nightmare fuel. Most of these poor people probably survived the initial hit, knowing they were a dozen feet under and now just waiting......
please make your resolution brighter it is very hard seeing anything in daylight
Good video. I like these stories a lot.
Wrong place, Wrong time.
...not everyone that pulls the dragon's tail; dies...it's that you are alive when you do...(could happen to anyone) Learn from them so that they can be honored! Situational awareness! Sometimes its shit like this...Oh! always keep everything in your bag w/you keeps it warm and near...damn
The people made a choice to be there.
They knew the risks.
The Mountains are just there.
Minding there own business.
Really interesting and sad. I'd never heard of this disaster.
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05:18 balyberdin is a superstar. He won 70km ski race to get in Himalaya team. I won it too previous year. He was first to take northern wall without oxygen.
This is why we intentionally trigger avalanches here in the US. I think it has caught on other places too. Prevents some loss of life.
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Nature does not care about predictability, not the arrogance of those who believe they know everything about what they do predict correctly. These people were caught in a situation that no one could have ever dreamt te severity of, and unfortunately paid the price of our unintentional ignorance.
~ 12:15 ". . . driven by desire for safety and for a glass of lemonade."
I really love your accent ☆☆☆
I'm another fan of his accent ⭐
I like the accent to. Any idea on where he is from?
@@thelogicaldanger Originally Russian but living in the States, is my guess :)
*watches mountaineering disaster videos* youtube responds “heres an ad for outerwear for hiking mountains!”
May the 43 rest in peace
*Atheist*
Sometimes, there is nothing you or anyone can do. That's the tragedy.
Stay off the mountain
I enjoyed watching this video, however I cannot understand why people continue to risk their lives on this dangerous mountain! This accident was indeed heartbreaking! Personally, I like to fish for Tarpon in the Florida Keys using A heavy duty fly rod! Thank You! Lois
What an unfortunate situation. I suspect underground earthquake. Even if they had heavy snowfall that day, it wouldn't move an avalanche this huge. Our Earth is alive and well. So much going on beneath the surface. So glad to hear that they have re-named the peak. Lenin doesn't deserve to have anything to be attached to his name.
Fridge ice cube i hold i cant handle that cold how people go mountain too cold hands not work this avalanche like ice tsunami
Why don't climbers wear dog tags for ID purposes just in case?
the memories of the days prior to the avalanche did report a lot of snow... they knew it had been snowing unusually hard, that, in a region which did not usually get snow (the peak is in a very arid area on the edge of the desert)...
because avalanches were not a thing, it was not part of their risk assessment, however, in hindsight, there were many ingredients of an avalanche very much present...
Nice video and all that, but reign in the reverb in post please.
Thanks for the video.
Don't travel where you wouldn't live. Humanity's fragility is an ironic match for its ego. Be humble, live long.
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That's silly. Natural curiosity and a sense of wonder is what makes us as humans
2 uploads in a month? Wow
Why do some people need to do outrageous things to feel they have accomplished something?
Use the money to save starving children, human traffiking...something w real purpise
Sound quality has some problem?
A mountain doesn't kill people.
Lol the dude tried saying he survived bc of how physically strong he is... My guy, you got hit and flung into the air by a gigantic avalanche and fell off a mountain and didn't get impaled or covered by ice and snow. Ain't got nothing to do with your physical strength
you don't think strength/conditioning has anything to do with being able to withstand force? yes, he's one of the "lucky" ones that didn't get completely buried, but if he were weak, he likely would not have survived at all
@@ClaytonJonesImages lol no literally not even a little bit. Your strength and conditioning has nothing to do with being able to survive falling off a mountain. In fact, you're most likely to survive a fall from great heights if your body is completely limp. Same with being in a high-speed car crash... Limp body means greater odds of survival. That's why drunk drivers are more likely to survive in a high speed car crash than the sober victims of a drunk driver hitting them
@@03stmlax these are things of which I am aware, but circumstances vary (like the manner in which you fall). Being limp helps, but if your body is well conditioned, you will be able to withstand more damage when you consider everything
Strong in Russian means piss drunk after a litre of vodka.
He was Limp and strong.
@@lars-akechesburg9911 150 proof?
how does one find time to go climb mountains
So many lives gone in seconds. What a shame.
What a dream come true!