WORSE THAN DYATLOV PASS: The Korovina group incident // One of them survived and told THE TRUTH
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- The story of the Korovina hiking group is not unlike that of the infamous Dyatlov Pass incident. What exactly happened remains a mystery to this day, surrounded by eerie rumours.
And, to make the story even more chilling, it has been recounted by the group’s only survivor in coldblooded detail...
So, what really happened that day in the mountains of South Siberia?
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Thank you guys for so many views! If you like this video, check out my other videos on Soviet mountaineers:
Evgeny Abalakov and his death th-cam.com/video/VNK6fTHZYD8/w-d-xo.html
Elvira Shatayeva and her women-only team th-cam.com/video/hPo33ouQWoE/w-d-xo.html
Chivruay Pass Incident th-cam.com/video/cDsMIo0MQg4/w-d-xo.html
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Good job on this documentary!
Do you speak/read Russian? Regardless, what’s the best way to get in touch with you? (email? professional email? DMs?)
I’d love to chat with you about something, if you don’t mind. At the very least it’ll get your channel a little extra exposure, and possibly even provide you with some more content 🙂
Lmk, thanks!
What a SHIT Ch how many Fn commercials are you going to put on one video good Lord 👎👎
I have something I would like to say, this video is super good, but the way you talk at times and your tempo makes the story difficult to follow, like when you said that was not the first time she came to the mountains and then start talking about her daughter, it let me to believe that you were getting to something but then moved to something else. That coupled with the bombarding of information that for the most part doesn't link to the next bombarding of information make it so I spent like 20 rewinding the first few minutes to make sure I was following. Again great video, great footage and research but the execution could use some refining to be top tier. Can't wait to see what you do in the future since this channel looks promising. Hopefully you don't take this as plain criticism tho, I mean no harm
@@Milwaukaveli Do you really think the person who posts a video has control of the commercials placed into it?
I would hate to experience anything like what a Russian describes as "very cold."
Ditto! If a Russian says it's very cold, it's VERY F**KING COLD!!!
@@morbidvoy I thought later, even worse a russian Mountaineer!! If she is complaining....no thanks.
I mean, it's probably like vodka-freezing-cold.
@@TeatroGrotesco I agree! Man, I really hate to be in their position...
I'll be sure never to ask a Russian for a cold one
Living in Newfoundland I feel qualified to describe "sticky" fog. It's fog where you can't really feel the moisture in the air but as you trudge along you find yourself getting wet. It tends to swirl around you as opposed to dissipating as you walk through it. It makes you feel uncomfortable and heavy and it feels oppressive to both your body and your spirits.
c r's video vaults.The irish in Newfoundland 1981 is the tile. Just watched it on TH-cam fascinating stuff , where exactly on the east coast is it located, a know the irish can probably be found all over the east coast but i was guessing New England without looking at a map.
@@inger9727 Newfoundland is an island off the east coast of Canada.
I was thinking maybe "sticky fog" was a mis-translation of "enveloping fog"
Or maybe it's translated fine and that's how they described an enveloping fog on that particular day.
Or maybe you're right.
@@grottybt5006 lol, it's not an official definition but as soon as he said sticky fog I knew what I described was what they meant. Fog is one thing a Newfie knows well :)
Fascinating
Trust your instincts and if animals are behaving strangely or avoid an area, you should avoid it too.
Why
@@benpearson49 that’s crazy!! I’ve only ever heard of animals not being scared of humans was due to the lack of human contact , they don’t know we are a threat . I never thought about them being high 🤯. My pigs get high off donuts , we get big black trash bags full of dunkins left over donuts they are gona throw out and I poor it all in their pin and they end up rolling around in it and being all lovey and talking a lot and rub up against their scratch post like they are in love . It’s funny .
@@honeybee6858 there's stories of forests that drop fruits that ferment and all kinds of animals go there and get drunk. A drunk elephant is a strange thing to see.
@@idiosyncraticmushroom3030 so is the elephant it was on video
@@hectorrodriquez3182 because animal have highten sense like smells, eyes, their ears ETC
plus their brains were used accordingly with the main function of the brain, alarm or radar that detecting dangers and avoid it.
human have developed the brain as thinking tools too, so our senses to smell of danger had been far lower than animals.
so it is a good things to keep watching animals behaviors around places. especially in the wild
Remember fellas; if you're body suddenly starts feeling anxious, scared, and is telling you to get outbof wherever you are, listen to it. Your body has the instincts that kept your ancestors alive, and while it can't explain the reasoning behind them, it understands that they're important. Listen to your body or else you'll get a spot on the news.
We just know something is dumb even before we actually realize it.
Avoid hairy giants
What if our body tells us to bang our head on the rocks, what then
@@RedceLL1978 Get away from the drugs.
@@Skidderoperator One of the girls of the group ended up doing that, sort of crazily banging her head on the rocks. That's why I asked.
Don't go hiking in Russia. Got it! 😎👍
Funny 🤣
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This was my first thought too😂
HaHa! Ditto 😆
Yeah, that’s what I’m getting out of this too
Let's be honest: As somebody living in the mountains, I can tell you the fact that they didn't return immediately once it started snowing and the temperatures dropped beyond what they had the equipment for, they were dead. And anybody living in the mountains will tell you that. They should have known. It's like the first thing you learn when you step on a mountain: don't mess with bad weather, it will kill you!
The insanity is a known side effect of hypothermia. What I don't know about is the bleeding and vomiting. But there are so many natural ways for this to occur... honestly, I think many underestimate what the human body can do.
Whatever you say expert..you don't have a damn clue what happened there at all so just stop it..only the survivor truly knows what happened
@@chiefhowlingwolfhannibal7360 take your medicine, you goddamn weirdo. Freaking out on a perfectly reasonable TH-cam comment, christ man go to a doctor
@Mike Hock you never know who has the strongest constitution
I've been on many mountains and never heard that about weather. Lol But I get it...if you're in an extreme environment that makes sense. We have mountains in the USA but obviously not like what you're talking about. I never thought about how different a snowy mountain here would be from a snowy mountain in Russia! 🥶
@@chiefhowlingwolfhannibal7360 to say the survivor knows what really happened isn’t necessarily true. They saw things first hand but they’re not a doctor, they didn’t do an autopsy. They’re honestly in the dark about the entirety of what happened just like us, despite being a witness.
I've travelled Australia a few times and I can tell you, in the middle of nowhere in the outback, you come across areas that suddenly turn "odd" and the feeling of danger and forbidding is overwhelming. I've experienced what I can only describe as otherworldly entities especially around dusk, where it suddenly felt like we had to get out of there fast and were in mortal danger. The areas are often beautiful and desolate and at first were peaceful and quite appealing, they completely changed vibe within minutes and almost always occurred around rock formations and/or water holes.
The ONLY area I have refused to walk into, and felt quite "unwelcoming" was Kata Tjuta (20kms away from Uluru "Ayers Rock).
The ranger took me aside and explained that they don't tell people but they often have to enter to find hikers who are always walking alone, who suddenly got disoriented, lost for days and almost die. It is a very straightforward track. He said they come out a bit "crazy"... his words not mine.
There are such strange things out in nature you'd do well to heed your "gut feelings". ALWAYS!
Sod that. I'll stay home. 😬
Please TH-cam Dave paulis missing can am 411. This is how people go missing these demon entities natives always talk about
@@Strawhalo will do thx
where were the other places? i live in western australia, any here specifically? interesting!
Agreed. After hiking and camping all my life in Australia, and now knowing what i do, there are locations where i really don't feel safe remote camping much at all. For many Australian's to even consider we have wild panthers and Yowies here is unfathomable.
As someone from Louisiana, please allow me to explain sticky fog. It’s so thick that it feels like you’re choking. It’s like when you’re drinking water and it goes down the wrong way…you start coughing and gasping for air. Same with this kind of fog. It also literally sticks to you. You can see it in your hair, it looks like a spiderweb. It makes your arms and legs feel heavy, like trying to run in the ocean.
Thank you for explaining ☺️ happy new year
cocaine is a hellevua drug
Excellent explanation.
@@glassesstapler How often you do it. You needs to get help. Check yourself in for help. There's help out there for you. Happy birthday to you as well
@@glassesstapler I'll watch you I'll let you see me if you want just say so I'm beside you
I was caught in a snow storm when I was 9 ...hyperthermia, frost bite hands, feet, ears, nose...had to wait a week to see if I could keep all my fingers n toes....the worst was when my hands and feet started to get warm enough for blood flow ....it felt like a thousand fire ants were biting them...got phenomena real bad coughed up blood for a few days...I never want to be that cold again ...you see things ...feel hot flashes....when you stop shivering you are in trouble....Bad memories ...God bless the people who didnt make it...
Wow that sounds absolutely horrific. I’m glad you made it out alive!
I would also like to know how the hell that happened to a nine year old? No adults present?
* hypothermia
Glad you made it. 😊👍🙏
I know exactly how it feels. I fell in water in January at sea. Felt like thousands of needles piercing you everywhere and like I had my chest caved in. When I got out, couldn't feel my feet, fingers, you name it, like i was walking on prosthetics, everything was numb. But the worst part is when the blood started flowing in I think I felt every blood vessel slowly filling up.
My husband and I used to camp at several sites in British Columbia, Canada. In general we had a great time, but one particular campsite gave us different feeling. As soon as we settled up and sat down, there was this overwhelming and weird sensation of fear and uneasiness. We both felt it, so we packed everything back in our car and we didn't stay for the night.
So strange - but fascinating! I don't think I have experienced this phenomenon but I am so intrigued by all the accounts in the comments here. Trust your gut instinct!
Very smart of you two. Always listen to your gut feeling.
I live in a remote area and it happened to me at 5 times. Suddenly, the entire vibes of the place went from very great to frightening like you think you'll die if you stay. I always got back in my car and leave. I'm 49 and I'm still doing well. But I always listen to my guts. If the surrounding suddenly appear scary, unsettling, weird, just get out and don't stay there. Don't push your luck, don't go against your feelings. Even if you don't know why you're feeling that way.
I remember one time I was with my then girlfriend, we stopped near a lake, and began our journey to a camping spot I was used to go to. It will have took 4 hours for us to go at that place. 2 hours later we stopped for a cigarette break (yeah I know. It was in 1991) and suddenly, we both had that feeling of uneasiness. Like if suddenly the place we used to go suddenly appeared scary for no apparent reasons. We both run all the way to car and left as fast as we could. I think if we had persisted, something will have happened and we probably never come back from that place. We heard nothing, we saw nothing but we never experienced something like this ever again. It happened to me at least 4 others times but it was never that scary.
I've yet to explain this event to myself and we never figured out why it happened either.
Edit: sorry for the long answer tanks for reading. English isn't my language.
i go wild camping on my own in the rain deep in the woods at night never been scared just bring your phone and headphones and listen to music if you are scared of creepy noises
may i ask, was it suddenly very quiet, silent even? feel like being watched? that something was there?
@@TomAS-wm5mn, No, it wasn't quiet, there wasn't snapping of tree branches, no one was throwing stones in our direction,...but the feeling being watched was there.
My husband was in the tent for a while at that time, he said he will have a nap and I was outside alone, doing something around the table. I love nature, I love foraging in the forest, I like being alone, but when my guts tells me something I listen. 😅
At some point I felt like a target, so I got scared and I went in the car. I was having funny thoughts about aboundonin my husband in the tent in this situation 😂
But I was on a watch and high alert, ready to ram, pull him out and flee...Anyway, nothing of this crazy scenarios happened 😜
Soon he get out of the tent on his own and declared he couldn't fall asleep, because he didn't feel right, then we started talking and shearing ....
Finally we decided to pack and go home.
P.S.
The camp site was occupied about 20%, our spot was on a curb, kind of isolated and I liked that fact.
If the deer suddenly are not afraid of humans, when they clearly were before, its because they are more afraid of something else and look upon the presence of humans as being safer than whatever is scaring them. That's unnerving. Also, this sounds a lot like radiation poisoning as well. It would explain the closed coffins and lack of identification by family.
or its because people regularly feed them and they are used to humans being present. there are plenty of very safe places where deer are not afraid of humans.
@@adrianc6534 its not unusual for deers to be unafraid of humans, but to go from afraid to suddenly not afraid is odd. Also multiple bears throwing themselves under trains? That's not normal.
On their own, these instances arent cause for alarm but coupled together with everything else is definitely notably strange.
OR they have a neurological condition such as wasting disease
"Banging her head against the rocks"
How the hell they gonna do an open casket like that?????
@Obtuse.Knitter Unlikely. Neurodegenerative diseases including prion diseasees like CJD or Kuru are chronic. Most will not be able to trek due to loss of motor and cognitive dysfunctions. These take months if not years to evolve into full blown clinical cases.
God poor Valentina, imagine how terrifying that must’ve been seeing your companions going insane and dying at the same time being left completely alone.
She's the one who did it
It's all very sad.
Pretty sure they were all murdered
@sam-ht6qv And yet, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that.
@sam-ht6qv Yes genius a 17 year old killed 6 other people alone and outsmart the Russian authorities who let her free.
As a high altitude medical doctor I do think that the cause of death is High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE) and/or High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE). All symptoms like delirium, lack of hunger and thirst (even when the body is dehydrated), feeling very hot even in hypothermia (paradoxical hyperthermia). Pathogens causing encephalitis may also have spread from person to person, zoonotic infections, exposure to toxic chemicals from a natural or man-made source may have resulted in them take poor decisions in a harsh environment by reducing their physiological reserve to hypothermia. And as David Bradford has pointed out in his comment, it may have been Ergot toxicity.
-Dr. Deepon Chaudhuri, MD
Medical Officer, Himalayan SAR (Search & Rescue), India
could it be antrax? not sure how its suppose to spell
@@Nukleon Unlikely
It's not that high though- I've hiked for long periods, and slept, at 2500-3300 meters... never heard of anyone getting altitude sickness at such heights. People do take pills against altitude sickness at 3000 meters though, I've seen.
How could they all have gotten altitude sickness at 2500 meters? Isn't it very unusual at such heights? Could something else have contributed to HAPE other than the altitude alone?
@@danielmoskovich2953 Just as in most cases, I think that the cause of death is multi factorial as seen in most such lonely forested mountainous terrain. However, I find the decisions taken by there team leaders pushed them over the ledge in a metaphorical sense. The human factor contributing to the tragedy cannot be ignored.
@@deeponchaudhuri106 Dr. Chaudhuri why did it happen at the same time for the hikers and the one survived?
Once in the Army, we were training in the wilds of North Carolina. Our unit got caught in a 2 day soaker and the Temps dropped quite low. We are all decked out in the best gear and roughly 25% of the group ended up with hypothermia.
Exactly. Even just camping in cold weather and getting gear damp is bad enough. Couldn’t imagine having to be stuck in the wild stuck like the group.
wow, and you guys had the best gear possible, and you weren't in Siberia like these kids. I just find it totally crazy that the adult group leader didn't turn around on the first day when she realized the weather had turned and it was pouring rain. you know that rain will become snow at higher altitudes in Siberia. honestly, at that point she should've turned back immediately. they weren't equipped whatsoever for foul weather. the fact that she had them camp on an open, rocky plane at the peak of a ridge in high winds and snow is also crazy to me. even novices know that you don't make camp on a peak, in the open like that. always take shelter within the tree line, or better, in a valley where winds aren't so high and there will be less precipitation. scary that they were malnourished as well. they were only eating 2000 or so kcal a day, apparently. that's the recommended number of calories for a normal person having a normal day... people on 20-25 mile a day hikes in terrible weather should be eating at least 3000 kcal a day to avoid malnourishment. it seems to me that maybe the leader wasn't as experienced, cautious or knowledgeable as others believed. just because you go on a lot of hikes doesn't mean you're cautious on hikes. there were already rumors before this trip that she pushed students too hard, and took too many risks. I think this trip more or less proves that theory.
@@scarlett8782 well they probably didn't have gear for cold weather, seeing as it was north carolina where it usually doesn't get that cold so why would they. sounds scary though
Ayy NORTH CAROLINA WHAT'S UP
This was near the Appalachian/Smokies, yes? During my Freshman year at WCU it was always pretty damp and cool. Loved it, though if it weren’t for the campus it would feel a little off.
I noticed the surviving hiker listed "Grains" among the foodstuffs the group was carrying. I wonder if Ergot toxicity could be the cause after ingestion of a shared meal? It would account for the seemingly bizarre symptoms of "Madness" & paranoia experienced by the group. One of the factors I find difficult to reconcile with the Hypothermia hypothesis, is that the entire group began experiencing symptoms within a very short time span.
Very possible. They were in very humid conditions. Microbes love a warm moist environment 👽
Interesting, but ergot toxicity doesn't cause foaming at the mouth and bleeding. This is truly a mystery.
possible but it seems they were exposed to something else,possibly a novichok agent,they say "something pressed the trees to the mountain" sounds like a weapon was tested
a detail left out in this video is they melted snow for drinking water and the only one who didn't drink it was the survivor,it seems something was in that snow,one of them was grasping at their throat as they died making the choking motion
@@desireeclarins5491
It could've been more than a singular issue, compounding together.
Also desriptions by lay people, non medical, can vary wildly. Im a nurse practitioner and have patients who tell me they have almost cut thier thumb off with a knife and when I see them, its barely a papercut lol
Wow, I didn't expect this story to be reported on TH-cam, I lived in the same village as the girl who survived, I remember how whole village was shook by this story
What were folks saying happened?
Tell us more? You better knew many things which we don't? It's okay, just youtube..
@@jd_ralte Tbh I was just a little kid, I only remember my older sister was in the same grade or in the same group as the girl who survived, she told me that she was the only one who survived, I think the girl herself never elaborated on what happened and we left the village soon after
I submit my theory of anthrax poisoning. They were gathering plants and could have released anthrax spores. Anthrax has been found among reindeer in Siberia. Anthrax fits all the symptoms such as hallucinations, confusion, bleeding from all orifices, and sudden death. Also unlike radiation and chemical agents some people can be resistant to anthrax explaining the sole survivor and she also could have been less involved in the plant gathering.
That's what I was thinking
I think I agree with you cause even the shamans of the region felt off in those regions
If the shamans agree then it's spiritual . They had to perform rituals and things? Hmm seems like a classified military project. Or demonic activity. There is alot that the elites hide from us
@@Strawhalo 😂😂🤡
@@MrKingofMMORPG yeah after reading that and some light research it appears you are correct while anthrax can cause bleeding from all orifices it only has that symptom in herbivores not humans lol.
Being totally surrounded by the woods where I live I have had a few times where while walking, hunting or riding my 4 wheeler by myself I have had strange feelings as if I am being watched or just something not feeling right. I have over 30 years been in these woods literally hundreds and hundreds of times without incident and those odd occurrences only happened twice. I trusted my instincts and got the hell out of there. Always, always trust your gut feeling.
Absolutely. 100%. Maybe it's supernatural, but at minimum, it's literally millions of years of evolution and survival telling you to GTFO. I'll never understand why people don't listen to their gut.
@Caesar well shit, hail Caesar.
@Michael Anderson Have you ever seen the movie "The Hills Have Eyes"?...........says it all!
@Caesar testicles of iron my friend
@@Epicchannelify frl
I dont think showing the dead to the relatives would have been good, after a month of weather which changes, they would be half decomposed, half eaten by various insects and anything wandering around like foxes and birds. The part about it being difficult to transport the bodies in the helicoptor shows they smelled BAD, never mind the horrific state of what was left.
Fair but it's not really the govt's decision to make.
@@zbelair7218 no you’re right. Unfortunately in that part of the world the government does what it wants and anyone who disagrees too loudly usually meets a bad end. Governments are naturally made of filth. They attract the lazy, corrupt and power hungry individuals. They are there not because they want to serve but because the want to BE served and be able to grift and steal. Only when they fear for their lives will they do what they are supposed to, or paid to, and only as long as you are watching.
@@MrRugercat45 Hear hear!!! No lies detected!
@@MrRugercat45 brilliant deduction. I especially liked the govt being made of filth! 🤭well said...
@@MrRugercat45 Your description of government sounds exactly like Trump's MAGA gov...
I'm glad you pointed out why she was strict on what they carried. Some people make it out like she was inexperienced and neglectful when she was by far the opposite, very experienced and cared for her hikers.
Ounces equal pounds. Pounds equal pain.
As the story was told, you would certainly have to blame the leader. However, a few things don't add up.
Pounds equals pain?? Sounds like you and her could have been best buddies. She should have turned back when she saw the weather was much harsher than expected and they were not geared up for such bad conditions. She is to blame.
Experience is not enough when one takes the wrong decisions. And she was neglectful in the sense that she didn't listen to the signs, pushing these inexperienced teenagers into something that she even could not do herself.
@@CT2507It's easy to be an armchair expert, Bob.
@@AncientCreature-i2o Well I'm also a real life expert Liam nosey. I would never have pushed a group to do what they did, even if I knew that I myself could do it. It's about expectations and ego. Something some instructors have a very hard time tempering.
@@CT2507 sounds like she had more experience than you, dudebro
It does sound like hypothermia. People suffering from final stages of fatal hypothermia will act as if they're severely intoxicated. Not only do your movements become awkward and unsteady, but your thoughts also become incredibly confused. One of the saddest things about finding someone who has died of hypothermia is that right before they die, they feel warm and often start trying to remove clothing, ensuring their deaths.
Maybe that's why two bodies were found in running water maybe? They were trying to cool off?
I am a skinny guy 62 kg 177 cm and I can’t survive on 2400 calorie a day diet when I am not running.
Have friends that eat 6000-7000 calories a day when doing marathons and longer so their diet was shockingly low for the type of exercise they were doing and all of them except a clueless leader were not experienced. No reason it ended in tragedy.
Hypothermia won't make people smash their head on a stone will it? That's a case of encountering a nerve agent pollution, soviet union must have had some kind of thing here.
"everyone falling, bleeding and foaming at the mouth" doesn't sound like hypothermia. It sounds like a very active pollutant. And there was some kind of cover up.
I have 2400kcal a day and it's fine. I'm 72kg 187cm
It isn't uncommon at all for a person to be moving along, even talking to others, then collapse from hypothermia. People often times don't realize just how precarious their situation really is. Cold rain is worse than snow for causing hypothermia, add to it wind and you are in real danger. That the man who was in the best shape died first, while the woman with the least experience, survived, is understandable. The man probably had only 6 or 7% body fat while the woman probably had closer to 20% body fat. Even a slightly heavier layer of clothing could mean the difference between life and death.
Dang. Youre right.
So fat helps?
@@insertname1841 One of the few times when extra fat is a good thing.
@@insertname1841 1,
Hypothermia wouldn't drop a half a dozen people in a matter of moments. Come on.
Don’t go caving, don’t go scuba diving, don’t go cave diving, and . . . Don’t go hiking in Russia.
Oh! Just stay safe in your sofa then!!!
But be carefull , don't go down any stairs, don't drive, don't fly, don't even sleep :D :D
Also Syria. No hiking in Syria..
@@moebiusbedroon4542 why syria
And NEVER go cooba-divin'.
@@a._rch42 it's an active war zone?
1. If you are lost in fog or darkness, you do not try to reach a safer point, because stacks are high you completly loose your way/group/ have an accident.
2.I remember being in a similar situation on Montblanc in the winter. My food was frozen, even my drinks. If you can't start a fire, you would possibly try to melt your water/tea in your sleeping bag, which is not a good idea.
If you go in your sleeping bag when your body is already very cold, the bag might save you from dying but it won't melt your water. Everything frozen you put in your sleeping bag or mouth will just speed up getting your body temperature down.
3.Their sleeping bags might not have been completly wet, the day before, so they fell asleep very exhausted. When it rains more and you get more and more wet it is incredibly difficult to find the strength to leave or even move. It once took me 3hours to put my feet in my frozen boots and it exhausted me a lot. Your natural instinct will tell you to move as few as possibly and not get in the wind. (After this incident I put my boots in a plastic bag and left them on my feet.)
People hear about the members of the team coughing up blood and think that it sounds very suspicious, but its actually very indicative of breathing freezing temps for long periods. If you don't take precautions, then the freezing air will get into your lungs and start causing severe damage, which if prolonged will cause bleeding and you'll be coughing up blood until you pass out and your heart stops. Also, such conditions will make people feel ill, which when you are feeling ill, you don't feel like eating, even when you need to. This was simply a case of extremely bad & freezing weather which the members were NOT prepared for.
That sounds most reasonable.
@@NOBODY-fz3im Altitude sickness, dehydration- can cause agonizing headaches.
@@NOBODY-fz3im One of the side effects of hypothermia is hallucinations, along with confusion, and combativeness. All the symptoms described are easily explained by hypothermia. That is without a doubt the most logical answer, followed by some type of toxic gas expelled from the earth, or a toxin ingested by the group. Radiation is also possible.
What precautions are appropriate?
Exhaustion,cold temperatures and dry weather will sometimes cause me to have nosebleeds. Since the nasal cavity and mouth are connected it can sometimes happen that it gets into your throat and you have to spit out blood. It looks very dramatic but it's not so weird as it sounds.
Classic USSR- it's 1990's but they look like they're right out of the 50's 😊
I know wtf
Exactly plus what's up with their pictures in black and white
Ah Communism!
@Fergus King Coming to America soon. Thank the jew.
Even though the USSR disbanded in '91, countries freed of Russia's control didn't just magically have its government back in place. Also it's economy was all but gone, meaning they weren't in a state to just jump back on their feet. Despite the disbanding many countries, notably Ukraine, Serbia and Romania - among others - where still basically under Russian regime. It takes time for a country's government to be well enough established in order to fully run their country. Officials need to be enacted, laws reestablish, a military in place and able to defend the country in some semblance that isn't a complete joke, the economy built back up, emergency service in place. All that takes time to establish, to learn, to train. Not completely unlike when the U.S. all but annihilated the Iraqi government. People were mad Obama still had troops in Iraq after the Bush administration seemed to have already 'won' that battle and had moved on to Afghanistan. So, to quiet the masses, Obama pulled out 'active' troops from Iraq but reserve troops were called in and retired military personnel were asked to come back, temporarily, under contract. This way, Obama could say all 'active troops had finished their tour hence relieved of their duties and, those blessed to be able to return home, were on their way home from Iraq'. (Good bless those who bravely put their lives on the line, fighting in the harshest of environments and circumstances, seeing the some of the worst things imaginable, using the far and few acts of love, grace and humanity witnessed to keep on going- dispite crappy food, dying of excessive heat- especially under all that gear, feet hurting non-stop, little sleep and an uncomfortable, hard ground when a little bit of half-sleep was able to be found... Good bless those who didn't get to tell their loved ones 'goodnight, I love you' everyday but accepting, with pride, your reality because knowing, by being there, sacrificing everything, sacrificing yourselves, so that every person in America did have that chance, that could say those 4 words to somebody they love, you knew, deep down, that's why you signed up, that's you were there, in that moment, doing what you were doing, not as a soldier but as a true hero, that's what made your selflessness worth it. My most sincere, heart-felt, unwavering and never-ending gratitude as well, as, my deepest respect of the highest regard to all military personnel, past, present & future, may your Higher Power bless you, protect you, give you strength, mercy and grace. To our fallen Hero's, thank you for being so selfless, for giving your everything, your last breath so that I can be free today, so that my children only know what freedom is, so that I can honor you openly and, yes, freely. May you and your families know the deepest, purest love and the sincerest peace. It's my honor to honor you, thank you, so very, very much!) So, Obama couldn't just pull all American influence from Iraq because we had left them with no government and no way to get on their feet, run or protect their country. Obama felt, that even though what, under the Bush administration, we did was justified, it wouldn't have been right to leave them in anarchic turmoil. Hence, the reason U.S. (technically inactive) troops remained in Iraq so long was to assist them until they had reestablished their government and were able to, somewhat, hold their own, if needed, against another country. So, just because Russia no longer 'had' power in that countries that had left what was the USSR, that doesn't mean Russia wasn't 'still in' power, or, in the very least, all maintain a heavy influence in those places.
"a grizzly and misterious tale"
I can't bear the mistery.
Mystery damn
@@ironwoodnf I don't think you understand the joke, regardless of spelling smh
Lmao you can't spell it either.....js
The suspense is mauling!
@@kauaichan Not what I expected. The polar opposite!
I grew up in Irkutsk, and hiked a lot near lake Baikal, including Snezhnaya river. Khamar-Daban is a very desolate place, and climate there is different from the rest of the area. Big masses of water rise with the air from lake Baikal and fall onto western slopes of Khamar-Daban, creating a unique climate, like cold wheather rainforests. I hiked there in the late summer, and even then the weather was very cold and rains could go for days and even weeks. Also I never hiked this specific area, I can tell you, that you need much more than 2400 calories a day to sustain yourself. Everyday hiking and fighting the cold require at least 4000 calories a day. And even then you can't really restore yourself fully. And it seems they met even harder conditions. Maybe it was a case of mountain sickness; although they were at low altitudes, extreme weather and insufficient nutrition could have contributed to their condition.
Some people also blame infrasound, but to me this theory seems a bit outlandish.
2400 KILOCalories a day, not 2400 Calories. 24:00
When I was small child , i used to play one manual game in early 90s named Napoleon ... In that there are 4 parts of Russia Siberia , irkustak , yakuatak and kamachatka ... I used to think , it's a separate country
@@MW-kw9xc well, they were once. but then i assume someone, probly named Ivan, decided otherwise, since that's usually the case with russian history.
go back far enough though and most of russia was technically mongolia(way to go, Ghenghis).
@@gourdguru Ненависть к России опасна для здоровья. Если не знаешь истории другой страны - не позорься.
Do you think perhaps some kind of pollution from lake Baikal could have created a poisonous fog that would make the hikers sick?
Very sad and interesting story.
My thoughts, as a nurse..
The symptoms they describe and the results of the autopsies.... effecting the heart, lungs, liver etc; especially the frothing and some bleeding from their mouths made me immediately think of death by poison.
Then when you mentioned they drank a tea made of what they picked. Perhaps some other poisonous plants were accidentally added to the tea.
And perhaps the survivor only drank a small amount, thus also going unconscious only. ?????
Yup. Probably had a sip, it went cold, and she threw it out. It’s more than plausible, although it’s nothing short of a miracle she lived if that’s the case.
Is anthrax a possibility, maybe exposed to or gathered by accident?
What about the bodies missing tongue, eyes, and the chest trauma?
@@lcecbranch there was mention of animals getting to the bodies before the rescue teams could get there.
"as a nurse" go to medical school dude
Even is if was pulmonary edema, then what’s the chances 6 people get it at the exact same time, and the final steps of it hits all 6 at the same time….and one person doesn’t get it at all?
Polmonary hedema depends by many factor not least health and cardiac condition but it s a knoen fact that the more you go up, the more you're likely to a stroke or a hedema. The panic caused by the first death and than maybe a heart failure from the teacher left those poor guys alone in the wild with weakness, fear, hypotermia... and they were already hungry and tired at that altitude. Optimal condition for hedema. The girl who lived became " cathathonic" and that alone could have saved her. I am in Italy and on the Alps sometime something happens.
@@patriziacarosi7216 doesn't explain how they got it all at the exact same time
@@929er13 it's instead perfectly logic. They were all tired at their limits and panic cause heart to accelerate, difficulty to breathe and the brokening of vascular system. Fear at that altitude is a weapon in and on itself. The first death is the one who caused the others especially since died the"strong guy" and their "hardcore teacher"
@@929er13 for example the girl frothing, getting naked and banging her head on a rock looks like paradoxical undressing and the hysteria caused her to act totally irrational. During history is something saw many times and as I said on the Alps sometimes some accident occurs. Many traits in common but no mistery at all, just spooky. The healtiest ones get strokes, I won't ever return on that f**king mountains.
not to be morbid but they probably didn't. I worked rescue at a park and I had a case where a group of hikers fell off a cliff face, only one of them survived by hitting a ledge about 2/3rds of the way down, what is really horrifying though is that they were concussed, bruised and sprained but they were fine, meaning the people that only fell a little futher didnt die on impact, but she swore up and down that they did. She also thought she had only been out there for an hour or two when it had been over a day( We were lucky we found her). Not a single person has ever asked the survivor about it or ever will. time dilates in a traumatic survival situation to protect your brain, so the rule of thumb rightly is to let stuff be. there is no sense or humanity in telling them the truth or trying to force it out of them. this isnt a mystery. they were starving and their bodies started eating muscle which caused their kidneys to fail and throw a massive clot. this happened at different rates but one by one they all had pulmonary issues and slowly passed away. Autopsy is super clear and the above isnt guess work, notably starving and visible damage to the muscles and kidneys. survivor just doesnt know because their brain was like nah dog or does know and just doesnt want to talk about it. probably the latter, a lot of guilt in not being able to go get help. exposure also likely became an issue, not to the degree of paradoxical undressing or anything like that imo but probably enough for confusion to set in which would explain the lady getting nude and banging her head on a rock. Listening to other people in agony, probably thought it was the only option available that wouldnt be totally horrific.
I’ve heard about this story, Korovina was a total ball breaker. You’d have to be very resilient and passionate about hiking to want to go with her. She was not exactly considerate with first timers.
And she paid the price
Regardless of that, they all died at the same moment, where the first persons to die was ironically the group's older, and skilled long time veterans, Sasha Krysin, followed by Korovina herself most likely.
She is quite suspicious.
@@mud6866 how
@@sigmar4420 people that saw the group said the youth were so weak they couldn't speak. Yet korovina continued while they were in that state. No matter how hard the treck was, it is not possible to be in starvation unless you really are starving. The bodies were found to be suffering from starvation. She was the elder, the leader, known for being harsh and unforgiving. She made them weak and kept them weak. They were dumb impressionable youth that did not realise the danger korovina impressed on them by pushing and pushing and pushing them.
when I was a teenager I did a labor at the forestry company, clearing dead branches of acacia trees, and the surrounding bushes... I always worked alone, camping for several days deep within hundreds of acres of forestry sites. more than ten times I met wild cows, dogs (both of which are very aggressive), bears, wild boars or even Sumatran tigers. But I can always use my head to work it out. One day I felt that everything was so calm, I suddenly felt uneasy with a little nausea and all my fine hairs were triggered... as if I had suddenly stepped into another dimension. Instinctively I immediately rushed out of that place, without thinking of anything, just ran and ran with my belongings left behind. Then decided to quit my job... a few months later news came that a human bones had just been found, was a girl, and not too far from my place of work that day. After investigation, local authorities stated that the tragedy was due to an attack by wild animals. Could be me, if i wouldn't ran
Cowards a
Ways run.
Good Lord.
I'm really surprised they didn't question you as a suspect.
You worked there alone, for long periods of time, and then a body is found near where you were...After you suddenly quit?
@@HomoLegalMedic probably too old to be the guy who just quit and he was alone
2400Kcal is nowhere near enough food for that hike. In cold weather, you need over 5000Kcal.
YUP. Literally everything here has an explanation, it's quite depressing that the video author is trying to pass this off like it's some mysterious thing like dyatlov. Short easy hikes the kids got away with korovina starving them because they got home and could recouperate before it started eating away at their organs, here the heart muscle is being cannibalized and fluid started building in the lungs as they were in cardiac distress causing them to foam at the mouth from the pulmonary edema described by the autopsy and left them wholly incapable of fighting off exposure and dying of hypothermia.
I was wondering about this, too. I remember an inteview with Boris Yeltsin, years ago. He was playing tennis with his grandson, but kept the kid from downing water between sets to "build up his stamina." I wonder if that is a cultural thing?
Yeah but you wouldn’t be dropping dead after five days of that.
@@rebuilt11 yes you would, they were losing 2500kcals per day, then it got cold. You burn energy shivering to keep warm, which would have left them unable to survive.
@@Viranical Dyatlov Pass isn't that mysterious, it has pretty much been confirmed that it was an avalanche that crashed on their tent
I will never forget being at a KISS108 concert one summer in the early 2000’s. It was hot as hell that day, but I packed a windbreaker just in case. Everyone I went with kept laughing at me. They weren’t laughing when the cold front rolled in. Even the windbreaker could not keep me warm. We left shortly after the rain started, but there were people being taken away with hypothermia and some were delirious and acting wildly. It is hard to fully convey the effects of hypothermia unless you have seen it first hand, but in this case, I can believe the official reason.
100%, late stage hypothermia has people's brains breaking, tearing off their clothes and wanting to lie outside naked. It's a brutal, brutal condition.
people acting wildly at a concert? that's unheard of!
@@greenwave819 Seriously, this story is odd from start to finish. Unless Alice lives in a topsy-turvy upside down world where her summers are below freezing, it wouldn't get cold enough for hypothermia to set in. Even then, she thinks a windbreaker -- a freakin' _windbreaker_ -- could stave off cold temperatures? I'm sure she was cold, but nothing remotely close to what she's trying to get across. Also, like you said, people acting crazy at a concert is nothing new. Alice sounds like that one person who wants to ruin everyone's good time, be it not getting wild and making fun of people for drinking and having fun.
Just checked. KISS108 is in Massachusetts. No way in hell it was cold enough to cause hypothermia. Maybe it was just bad acid.
@@sluttymctits4496 lmao thanks
@@sluttymctits4496 Oh, cold winds compared with rain can have nasty effects on the body. Also, you weren't at the concert, Alice was. Don't pretend you know better than someone who was a witness.
You don't pay money to cover up a natural or accidental death.
Russian insurance company?
What? Yes they do.... Companies settle all the time for accidental deaths in the workplace lol.
@@UFC_Buffalo In the workplace. If you die on a mountain hike. Will anyone pay you compensation.
They were working as part of a Russian group that encouraged hiking and mountain climbs and such, during a specially encouraged time to do so. Think a tour guide or a Sherpa. So it's possible that it was a work place accident of sorts.
Guys it's Russia 1993 when no one give a FK any ways
There is a 15 mile long river about 20 miles from where I live in Scotland and there is a particular place on it that instils a strong sense of foreboding and uneasiness where no birds sing, to the extent that I move quickly through it. I mentioned this to someone who is also familiar with the river and he knew immediately the location, having had the same experiences.
@Jo Jones It's the River Ore in Fife. The creepy bit starts heading East where there's a wire across the river and a cliff on the south bank, wooded both sides around 56 10 35N / 03 05 56W, with the river becoming shallower over bedrock.
@Jo Jones YW
@lorrainethomson8994clansmen from the Campbell clan were just one of many men from a number of clans in the regiment. It was romanticised in pop culture as a clan war but the reality is that the orders came from the crown as the MacDonald’s delayed in declaring allegiance and the massacre was used to motivate other clans to toe the line.
This is absolutely fascinating! Thanks for sharing. 😊
@lorrainethomson8994 I am a Campbell as well. Pretty tough people but not a good rep.
Sticky fog, bloody frothing at the mouth & bleeding from the nose, madness. It sounds like a poisonous gas.
pretty terrifying if that's what it is
The nearby village being deserted seems shady too.
Yep, sounds like a test of a chemical weapon. Hush money? Ok.
Mention or creaking and rumbling, could be seismically active region with toxic gas emissions.
@@taleandclawrock2606 That would be my guess. There's some scary-bad gasses under the earth, and probably being in the wrong place at the wrong time around there could run you into an unseen cloud of it.
I hiked up a 100 metre hill once. That’s my hiking history. I have lived a full and happy life despite that experience and have been very cautious of mountains ever since
Look forward to the book
@@GTF85 I’m still trying to graduate from high school. Once I get that done I can start to put pen to paper. I know it’s been 10 years but patience is a virtue and o am hoping it will be a thrilling read. To hope for a movie off it would be a big ask but hey let’s not limit our ambitions
@@geoffdein2894 you sound like you’ve lived a colourful life already, one others could only dream of
@@GTF85 ahh, the mind is a colourful place and knows no boundaries. At two clicks off 70, I have had one or two adventures but like the marathon bike ride over the Patagonian mountain range just for shitzengiggles. Boredom plays a part and an absolute wonder at those who operate a brake-press all day 7 days a week, just to feed the wife and kids.
@@geoffdein2894 🤣🤣well said
Being paid to keep silent indicates something strange for sure, but we will never know.
The soviet union had just fallen in 1991. She probably needed the money.
I HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN - I was backpacking a volcano in Ecuador and was drawn to the flowers. I spent the hike picking different flowers and smelling them (it was partially to give to a girl I was hiking with). By the time I got back down about five hours later, I sat down in the restroom, and suddenly started completely tripping. It was about as intense as 25% of a couple tabs of acid. I got on our bus and then passed out for four hours.
Weird things happen on Mountains. I still have no idea what happened to me
You just had a flashback
probably just an acid flashback, druggie
Don't believe you
I suppose that could be what happened, but I'd only done shrooms twice in my life to that point. My intuition tells me the flowers/volcano were the far more likely cause. I've never, ever had a flashback and I don't think this was one. The hike wasn't even physically demanding - I run marathons and what not so it'd be very weird that this was when it'd happen. Also, you could think the elevation caused the flashback, but I'd been routinely based during the trip at a higher election. We entered the volcano trail at sea level so compared to my home location we weren't that high up
Fair enough. But I swear I am telling the truth. Weird crap happens on adventures.
Surprised they didn't at all explore food poisoning. The symptoms she described are broadly consistent with Botulotoxin and out of the things named, this is probably the only one I can think of that could take experienced mountaineers off guard, especially in already challenging conditions.
Not surprising at all. Since Natalie was paid hush money, I guessed that everyone involved in the investigation was either paid hush money too or ordered to hide certain findings
Or a fast acting virus!
Their symptoms are also consistent with hypothermia, people just don't realize what a violent death it can be.
It takes two seconds on Google to figure out that this was not like botulism. It doesn't just suddenly come on, it doesn't make you go crazy, and it certainly isn't going to kill you in a matter of minutes.
Why do people feel the need to make ignorant assumptions online??
Note to self. Scratch hike in Russia off the bucket list!
At least make it the last thing, right. LMAO
@@benniedonald No, no. I want to know at least how I check out before I go. I need a reason....of some kind!
Coward.
@@macehilmatecilof4140 you do it then, show us that you make it back.
In Mother Russia, the hike goes for YOU!
I have heard this story before, however your rendition is beyond reproach. Fantastic effort. I notice you don’t have any other videos, so I assume this is your first. I hope it’s not the last as I will be looking forward to more. 👍🇦🇺
Same feelings! I wish for more content 👏🇵🇱
Strayaaa 🇦🇺
@@robbdudeson346 some people just like to USE big words😏
@@robbdudeson346 It means, not possible to be reproached.
No, it means "beyond the point in which the idea of reproach still makes sense". So I wouldn't apply it to a compliment. The commenter may have meant "beyond irreproachable" which means "faultless, to the point that the word irreproachable is not enough anymore". Two similar but distinct expressions.
This is probably the 10th time I have heard this story. Each time I am just as flabbergasted. This is probably one of the most interesting mystery stories for me.
If the demise of these people was natural in origin, why would someone be paid off to stay silent and not ask questions?
tourism. rural villages depended on it for trade. As the mountain climbing tourism trade died out most of these tiny villages from all these mountain accident stories disappeared
like, we will trade you more of our old almost bad food or locally obtained food for a lesser amount of your good new food type stuff. literally bartering for necessities. it is why foraging was a thing. trading in these towns was basically a scam, if locals didnt have enough good stuff for your good stuff they would gladly add in some bad stuff to scam people so trading with them was risky and dangerous.
She knows the truth, but is now not in a position to tell anyone because she’d rather have the money. She could still leak it out through someone else or publish it online under a fake name.
Publicity is an utility.
Force of habit in a post Soviet era
I’m from Kentucky (if you don’t know, it’s really mountainous) and we have really humid air. I imagine sticky fog is similar to what I feel here in KY- heavy and wet. The air itself has so much water that it doesn’t dry up and makes your skin feel sticky/clammy.
I'm in KY also it's 96 degrees today and very humid. It's actually hard to breath outside.
@@alicia_dawnkygirl5148 yeah LOL it sucked sm... weather forecast said the humidity made it feel like 112
I was thinking the same, sounds like humidity.
I remember going on a run during highschool in the country hills of TN, I remember running about 30 minutes in before suddenly getting a deep feeling of fear. Lets just say i turn around and made it back home in alot less than 30minutes.
Do NOT take that route ever again. The feeling of fear caused by 'something' detected by none of our five senses needs to be taken seriously. Who ever had this type of experience, only they can understand it.
Good instincts! A lot of people would push on. We are highly evolved beings. Those creeping feelings aren't our mind trying to psych is out. It's much more likely that they are senses that we still have, but we don't use as often.
sixth sense minds eye kicked in.
@@sunitamosesesq I can say without of doubt, the level and type of fear I had was literally painful, I can’t imagine living with it, I have had guns pointed at me and close calls of near death but that night was different and I hope I never have that experience again. I won’t even run at night again on any trail or road that isn’t lit by city lights.
This spring I was doing a night hike on a hill (~900m height) neighboring my favourite hill. When I was moving up I saw a light on the path I wanted to take and decided to avoid it and take a different route as some hunters here can get angry when they catch you hiking in the evening, night or morning. I was moving down again after reaching the peak and went down one of it's ridgelines on the south side and was surprised that I entered a region which was almost half a foot in snow despite being on the south side, when some valleys on the north side were already without snow and dry. There it was also fogy. I didnt think much and continued. The more I went down the more uneasy I felt and I was jogging downhill at several parts, had my light on the brightest setting and was constantly looking around and behind me and felt an extreme urge to do prayers (I don't go to church and hardly pray). After the snow bit I was so uneasy that I was repeating the same prayer over and over again and concented very hard on it for at least 10 minutes while continuing downhill at a fast walking pace. When I felt easier again I stopped praying, but when I was already somewhat close to where I had parked my car I saw a light again, again in front of me and immeadiatly turned my own light off. It was moving right to left, get covered by trees and then appeared elsewhere infront of me as I continued down the bendy path, but it seemed to constantly shine in my direction despite moving laterally. I also didnt see any shadow of a person holding it and it also didnt iluminate any surroundings. It was as if the light was floating on it's own, because if someone is holding a light or riding a bike and that person is moving away from you the light sphere in the mist would at least partially be disrupted by the silhouette of the person holding it or at least their arm, but this was not the case. And then light linguered around and I stayed where I was for at least 5 minutes before the light disappeared somewhere in the forests in the direction of my car. I then ran to my car and judging by the distances and speed of the light and of myself I should have arrived at my car at about the same time as the light or perhaps had even caught up with it had the person continued with the same speed and stayed on track, but there were no wheel imprints or footprints at the logging site other than mine, so whatever it was had gone offtrack or simply vanished. I jumped into my car with my dirty boots and hauled ass. I have never in my life seen a light so bright with such an orb in the middle of a misty forest not illuminating a single blade of grass and even when moving away from me not having it's orb disrupted by any form of human, bicycle or other silhouette
If you read the 'Arctic Golden Root' overdose symptoms (irritability, nausea, headache, fogginess, breathing difficulties, etc.) it's pretty clear what happened. Korovina, one to push people to 'their limits' was pushing her young climbers too hard, too far, and either freely distributing the Golden Root to them as a 'climbing aid' for endurance, or secretly slipping them Golden Root in their water or food...the timing relative to their hike's start, the simultaneous manifestation of everyone having similar symptoms and simultaneously dying with the same symptoms absolutely SCREAMS 'death by unintentional poisoning'...with only the information provided, it is the one-common-factor that is known to cause such catastrophe...at low doses, it is an 'adaptic', meant to help one adapt to harsh arctic environments while alleviating depression...but when starved, taking too much (without flushing from your system later) and adding elevation to the mix...it can easily cause pulmonary embolism...the symptoms and the evidence fit the atrocious outcomes....nothing mysterious here, but Korovina's irresponsible actions exterminated them all.
This is a likely cause.
So why wasn't it the official cause of death, was there any reason to hide the true nature of the event. Were the bodies not tested for toxins or was it just laziness on the part of the government to provide a quick and easy explanation.
Poisoning would take the girls first, low body weight and generally weaker, also, the teacher poisoned herself somehow? Come on.
But you know what explains the strongest member of the group dying first? Hypothermia, lower body fat, also, his sleeping bag was the one that got wet, etc. The rest of the group slowly died trying to match the pace of the slowest member (probably because of the hypothermia) instead of abandoning them.
The girl with the biggest body fat ratio survives just long enough just to make out of the critical area, passes out/sleeps as she said herself and the rest ain't a mystery anymore.
I agree with you entirely
Not likely. Far more likely they were in the path of the flow of former bio-weapons tests. Poisoning doesn't hit everyone all at once in a very truncated period. It damned sure doesn't cause people to bleed out of their eye balls and drown on their own liquifying throat/lung tissue (as per the sole eye-witness) and it definitely doesn't cause the government to pay for the silence of the victim's daughter, lol. Look up novichok (officially in use until 1993, still used as recently as 2017) and it'll all make a lot more sense
I’ve had some stares Experiences in the mountains too….everything is great, beautiful scenery, weather, air etc….then within maybe a minute or 2 minutes, I got this sense of fear, really strong, like someone or something is watching me and stalking me, everything goes quiet, no birds, no wind, nothing…..and i had to move, felt it for about 20 minutes and when I came done off this particular small, forested summit, I felt fine again, it wasn’t altitude, as it was only 2000ft: I’ve had it in 2 places only, both of them near, but not in forests. Something in that area speaks to a sense we aren’t in touch with, (not one of our 5 main senses) but to a gut sense…..which people will laugh at and dismiss and out laughing emojis, but that doesn’t bother me, I trust my gut instinct, and when it is as strong a feeling as I described you cannot ignore it…..something in us is aware of danger, without sight or sound, something else in us is aware…….maybe it’s an awareness of others around us, maybe it’s an awareness of being watched or stared at, maybe it’s an awareness of another’s intent, maybe it’s a dimensional thing, maybe it’s something else…..I don’t totally know, but anyone on here who hikes, stay focused on how you feel, when you get that feeling, you’ll suddenly realise that it isn’t a joke! Has anyone else has these feelings or know what it might be??
In Indonesia, that's a common occurrence here. Thus, any hikers and surrounding area dwellers really pay attention to their behaviour and attitude while being in the mountain, because such entities and 'special places' do exist.
The mountains height here is nothing compared to other places, but such otherworldly feeling, unexplainable overwhelming fear, disorientation at times, are everyday's meal among the hikers.
There are cases of people missing while going on a hike in several mountains in Java, Borneo, or other islands in Indonesia, some hikers found alive but disoriented later, others were dying, or even dead for some, but looking at their record and testimony of their teammate, the victims can be divided into two type. Those that broke the taboo in the mountain which has been warned previously, or just bad luck and encountered 'them' or being uninformed and got into that 'special area'.
One of the hikers in Borneo island noted that he had stayed in an area in where many rescuers went back and forth looking for him but he didn't see any of them. He's informed later that rescuers were in the same area as him, it's said that he must have been slipped into another pocket dimension/realm and staying there for several days. Because, he's staying in a very obvious place (near a hut for hunter in the wilderness, frequently used), but no rescuers saw him. That's weird.
It's only when he'd almost given up, exhausted of all his ration, and pray that he heard the nature's sounds and voices again and finally be found by the rescuers and rescued.
It was a fascinating case. He told his experience here in youtube and it's almost half an hour long. He's a lone hiker, a common young man, and loves nature and hiking. Through that video, it's apparent on his face that it's a very traumatic experience for him, he looks so stressed and frightened throughout the video. Sadly, it's in Bahasa. No english caption is available.
Edit: misspelling words. Pardon me as english is not my language.
@@einzweichschein yo u got a link to the video bro?
Quite often criminals and gangs hang out in those secluded areas, so yes be very careful.
That was a nice piece of fiction thanks for sharing!
@@censored1430 non fiction
after watching the first man die that would psychologicly taint the following days. thats exactly when the leader should of immediately began leading everyone out of there. how sad.
She was an apparently the best teacher. Yet didn't lead them back and camped out in an open field with bad weather when the woods were only a few 100 feet away. Why?
Well, there was a contest mentioned early on. Have not heard any details yet. But it could well explain why Korovina decided to press on.
Yeah she was a fu%king horrible person.
Didn’t they all die a few seconds from eachother?
@@sarads7877 That's what the witness says, but it's not 100% reliable.
We went for a holiday trip to Vancouver Island. Me, wife and kids. We stayed at Lake Louise campsite for a night. Anyway, it's about 4 pm and everyone chilling in the camper and I decide to go for a walk on a trail that started at the campsite and wound through the forest for about 1 hour that ended at other end of campsite. Never saw 1 person during this. Started walking on trail and it was nice. Just relaxing. I got about 30 or 40 minutes into it almost at the farthest point away from the campground and immediately I can feel I'm being watched. Not only am I being watched but it felt like I was being watched by more than one. And I'm scared. I start walking faster and kept looking behind me. About 10 minutes of fear that i could not explain as i quickly hurried on while looking behind me every twenty feet. Then something weirder happened. As I'm hurrying on the trail I see up ahead a fence that intersects the trail. The fence carries on on both sides of the trail. The second I cross this fence boundary the fear goes and the sensation of being watched ends. Immediately. The fence was obviously some property boundary but whatever was following me did not or could not cross it. At least that's how it seemed to me. Regardless, I just got the hell out of there. There are scary things lurking in those forests.
Bears and cougars, most likely!
@@Mrs.LadeyBug that's a start anyways. If you don't live out her in the wilderness I can see why you would only know about bears and coyotes
@@despicabledavidshort3806 I do live in the wilderness. I also said cougars, because coyotes are not generally something that would be quietly looking at people. :). But mayyybe it was a Yeti, eh?
squatch....
@@despicabledavidshort3806 Bears dangerous, omnivorous and could eat literally anything, but relatively peaceful creatures, bears dont see humans as a prey.
I am Austrian, a mountain state.
I, for myself had one day in austrian alps in August snowfall of 30cm in one day.
It is easy to die on hypothermia in august.
If the weather is bad you can get to your limits very, very fast. Even with good equipment.
I have the feeling that this leading woman overestimated herself and her group.
This is a big mistake. You ever should have physical reserves and never go to your limits in mountain areas.
The distance they wanted to walk is far too much for young people.
Real long distance walks needs people in they 30s and 40s because they have enough body mass and can endure longer.
Even when it is cold.
Most of them were very young, with weights of 60 or 70kgs, and this was the initial mistake.
2nd mistake: 2500 cals are to less, you need upto 3500 or 4000 cals, because the body needs a lot energy to fight the cold.
resumee: bad planning, to less food. And bad luck with the weather
I spent a lot of time in the wilderness when I was younger and I remember two points. Firstly, when your wet, your dead. Secondly from a very experienced guide "I've never recovered a body from someone who dide of hypothermia who also wasn't also dehydrated"
As a caver, I flirt with hypothermia and dehydration every trip. I've never had them properly, but have been close. It's scary it can get so bad
Weird that they all died in such a short time span. Sounds like some kind of poisoning. Hypothermia wouldn't affect all of them at the same time like that. Depending on their metabolism, weight, body fat ratio, clothing and a variety of other factors, it would have been a slow, agonizing death over the span of hours, possibly days, not just the short time the single survivor has described.
There are several sudden illnesses that could account for the described deaths. Anthrax and tainted vegetation in the area they hiked through, some berries that were not edible yet were mistaken for edible ones (poisoning all who snacked on them. Even some unripe edible vegetation will cause poisoning). Even some rare minerals and microbes can cause sudden death like this.
Every year 10 to 20 bums freeze to death in so many cities. It happens all at once.
I thought anthrax didn't exist anymore? Isn't that why people don't get vaccines for it anymore?
oh wow thanks for sharing! I heard this story on Mr. Ballens channel a while ago and I have been wondering how on earth this happened ever since! It's interesting to hear about what could have possibly caused this
They could have even passed a place of some chemical waste disposal. Soviets never cared to store such thing in safe containers or something, they would often just dump it somewhwere in the middle of big forests.
You're telling me people freeze at different temperatures and 150 people thought that sounded right lmfao.
People who witnessed the 41 year old teacher with her students claimed she purposely withheld food and warm clothing from the students to make them tough. She took a longer route to make it more difficult. The teacher reached a campsite where a man said the students couldn't talk, were starving and trembling. The teacher showed no compassion. Another video claims the teacher was not liked or respected at all. So 2 videos with 2 different opinions.
Do you have a link to the other video?
I wouldn’t think if this was the case that the kids would keep coming back for more hikes. I would think they’d survive one and run away never to return.
She sounds like a narcisist to me. Pretending to be so great for attention and control of others.
Even her own daughter chose to skip out on the hardest part of the climb with her mom and chose another group instead. Sounds sus asf.
@@VaivaPaula95 seems like she likes torturing people imo and making it like shes helping them. Typical narcisist twisting things in her own favor
Thank you for the video. I just subbed.
Mistakes made:
1. They were dressed for a much higher temperature. Were their sleeping bags light too?
2. They were only eating 2,400 calories, which is nowhere near sufficient. Foraging for edibles should never be part of any planned hike!
3. The team leader was an idiot. Why didn't she turn around as soon as the weather was known to be horrible? Why give them a day of rest when they should have gone lower as fast as possible?
4. The tents fell apart, think Soviet quality... and the people in the tents and their sleeping bags were soaked. The rest became soaked in the snow.
5. Hypothermia makes people act in seemingly bizarre ways. In the last stage, people fell warm, and remove their clothes. This is called paradoxical undressing.
6. Hypothermia kills that quick.
7. The others probably wanted to go back, but were either too embarrassed to admit it, or the leader dismissed their wishes, possibly telling them that she had been through worse herself.
8. The leader had a strong financial incentive to gather the worm wood. Life was brutal under Communism, which forced all to surreptitious capitalism to provide for their families. That was probably the difference between a bit of meat or just vegetables. My family escaped the vile USSR.
There are probably more bad choices, but I wrote my novel.
3. in answer to point 3. We don't know the geography. maybe going forward seemed better than going back. I don't know. But I do agree it makes no sense to me to camp on top of a mountain in any circumstances.
Maybe, I don't know, we should listen to the survivor who said that her companions died of exposure? There is nothing inconsistent with this except for one person, who was a child at the time, _saying_ that they got paid money to not look into the incident. I feel very sorry for Valentina Utochenko, who survived horrific conditions and lost her companions in this way
PS: can people stop this trope of saying that its suspicious when people don't get an open casket funeral? Apparently this is common in the USA but it's not in the rest of the world, I have personally never been to a funeral which is open casket; I find the idea to actually be quite distressing. These people in particular had been out in the open for days and had had animals eating them. Gee I wonder why they didn't want to give them open casket funerals, even if this was something which normally happened in the USSR
You're right. Open casket in Australia is only for wealthy or certain cultures or religion. It's certainly not usual due to added expenses of embalming and making up of the face. That's 2 huge expensive steps.
Not to mention that not all bodies are “glamorous” when in the casket. There’s a reason why the term “closed casket funeral” exists in the US. It means that the body is too horrific to look at.
Americans love conspiracy theories, especially ones that involve other countries governments. Why is another question, perhaps due to their constant obsession with media conspiracies.
she said her companions died of pulmonary embolism... she also said her companion bit her, and another started banging his head against a rock. I'm not sure what you're so triggered and angry about, but honestly it's a little embarrassing.
Both of which were brought on by ... exposure.
What I find most odd is that the hike leader’s daughter was paid off to be quiet.
And that she took the money, not caring to know how her mother died. Says something for her feelings towards her mother.
@@johnpaulmcdonnell1188 That's called "selling your soul to the devil".....That is how it's done (via bribery).
Don't think she had been given a choice...more like either you take money or go meet your mommy.. who can fight a whole damn government?
She is said to have been paid off. She was an uninvolved child, what could she have known?
Tha "payoff" could have been a government "pension" or "death benefit". I dont know Russian policies, just saying . . . maybe.
@@haiderabbas5727 I agree.
This has got to be the best video on this topic i have ever seen, the only one that talks about the roseroot theory as far as i know
This planet is full of mysterious phenomena that only the land’s original residents truly understood. It’s astonishing to think about all of the areas we don’t know about as we haven’t dared travel that far into our forests and deserts.
Same reason we don’t explore our oceans enough because we know there our things beyond our understanding the deeper we go
Straightforward narration ✔
Interesting topic ✔
Case I'm not aware of ✔
Well-researched & presented ✔
Subbed ✔👍
yeah, only got to partway through the video before I had to sub; such incredible quality!
Really? I had a really hard time following
Thanks kid
Why did they wait a month to recover the bodies?
@@claytonfleming5650 awesome!
In the fair amount of hiking and camping I’ve done, I’ve never seen someone pack too much food. I’ve never seen someone hike 14 miles and then say, “oh we have extra food tonight? Sorry man. I’m full” lol.
I have seen people under pack food multiple times, and it is not fun at all. Turns the vacation into regrets lol.
Yep. I remember going canoeing for the weekend with a bunch of friends long ago. We all showed up with beer and ice, no food. You can only drink so much and canoeing all day can wear you out so we got very hungry. When you get a dozen grown men hungry you'll find food. It may taste bad but it will get eaten. Lesson learned, water and food first.
@@olliefoxx7165 Did you wind up eating the weakest of your comrades?
@@olliefoxx7165 wtf 🤣
@@oliviamartini9700 No, but the thought crossed my mind. We met up with some other friends that were well provisioned. I remember one guy eating a huge sandwich then throwing the rest in the water. We all looked at each like.....who's diving in that water to eat that soggy mess. The guy looked at us and said, "Y'all gotta learn boys".
We went to a horrible pizza place by the river. They put so much oil in the pan it dripped from the slices....but we ate it. 😒 Never again.
So true 😄 just remember being with a group that split in 2 groups and our leader just didn't plan the food properly so we ran out 2 days before reaching the village. We boiled garlic in the water and called it garlic soup 😄 everybody survived 😉
When you are in really cold air your lungs can actually flash freeze with ice crystals causing you to foam at the mouth and also causing blood to pour from your mouth, nose and even eyes. But the air needs to be really really cold. And this doesn’t exactly explain the madness part of their behavior. Although I guess if your lungs suddenly started filling with ice crystals, the pain and lack of oxygen could make a person go mad. 🤔🤷♀️
Cheers
I'm with you but it seems it was warm enough to be raining just 24 hours before this. Hard to believe the temp. would have dropped to the extreme that you're basically inhaling ice THAT fast. It was Aug 5 after all.
@Andrew H I'm going with the root tea, as the only one not to drink it, lived. Either the root was poisonous or the snow melted for it was tainted.
Crystals in the lungs? It was August and it's not high mountains. It was a wet chill
this sounds rather unlikely.
Feinsender: I agree what I described is unlikely unless the air was cold enough. If the air temperature was not well below freezing then there must have been something else going on. There are weather phenomenon in which certain types of storms can drastically drop air temperatures in a localized area and then quickly dissipating, but this too is unlikely due to its rarity. 🤷♀️ Maybe it was the tea somehow being toxic which caused this since the only person to survive did not consume it 🤔 Whatever the cause was, it was certainly a very strange event.
Cheers
People underestimate the cold sometimes. I live in a super cold state, and sometimes college kids from out of state will try to walk home after a night out at the bars. They're usually underdressed for the weather but feel like they're fine cause they're drunk. They end up passing out and dying on the walk home.
Its cold where I live too, granted we have a lot of tourists but they dont usually die that way, lots of homeless people do here though. On the colder days you can get frostbite on bare skin in a couple minutes
Tourist in Canada,, was 20 C below was ok dressed but you could feel the cold coming on. They said people died in the area looking for their car....i could well believe it
@@lauchlanguddy1004 20 below is cold then add wind chill to that there was 3 or 4 weeks here a few years ago it was a constant minus 35 to 45 with the wind chill
If this group was genuinely subsisting on 2400 kilocalories a day, given the conditions described, and the distance covered, they probably were starving. That might be more than adequate in your everyday life, but it's nowhere near enough in such circumstances.
Most modern militaries, for example, supply their soldiers with 4000+ kilocalories a day when in combat or during exercises. Any less and loss of effectiveness is rapid and sharp. These young people were cold, wet, at altitude, and expending massive amounts of energy every day. And it seems that such conditions were commonplace on these excursions.
I hate to speak ill of dead, especially when she seems to have been a genuinely loving and much-loved person, but I feel the expedition's leader was not as skilled as she thought she was. Or as we were led to believe. A well-meaning person can still make mistakes, and this tragedy screams 'human error' to me.
Adult human body consumes 2400 kcal (male) 1900 kcal (female) daily regardless of physical exercise. That has been known for fifty years and has been scientificaly proven at least 7 times, last time about 2015 and then published in amongst others SciAm,I believe.
They used deuterium as a measuring metod on these three groups of people for over 30 days where they all had to drink only deuterium-enriched water and pee/defecate in sealed containers.
The groups were : 1. Tribe of hunters in east-Tanzania 2.big group of fit Canada/USA outdoors enthusiast with regular jobs and weekend adventures (kayaking,rock climbing,trails) 3.big group of overweght "couch potatoes" with zero physical activity (USA).
After 30 days they ALL used the exact same number of calories EVERY DAY regardless of their activity levels or outside temperature. They were not in extremly low temperatures which might change the equation but they didn't expect it would be any different. That was the most elaborate and costly study about that subject ever done and it was done to finally prove/disprove multiple previous studies that all showed no correlation between physical activity and calorie expendeture.
I would go with poisoned food. I mean, in army we had these two or three weeks exercises with full gear and little time to eat or sleep, worst was 4 days 24h/day no rest and a little time to do anything but haul gear and preparing positions. Only real time to sleep was when judge told that we were "wounded on minefield" and there wasnt 5 minutes before everyone was under a tree out cold. Rain didnt really bother anyone. Another time was sleetstorm without camping gear, we just took our raincloaks, found a tree to go under and off to sleep you go. Only casualty were my ears when i tried to get guys up and going again, there was some mean words to be heard.
Best mre was packet of dry porridge, you could eat that on a run and take few sips of water, instantly full stomach. It wont keep you going forever, but for few days youll be just fine.
@@veli-pekkamalmi5546 yes I walked the Inca Trail for three days with a solid pack and zero fat. Lucky I knew my energy needs so I took heaps of biscuits and chocolate. Was very steep, thin air and heavy going.. not so cold, i was in a t shirt, but to keep walking I basically ate a biscuit every few minutes and solid doses of chocolate and about a triple helping of solid oatmeal every morning, I was like a locomotive... shovel fuel in for each step.
Hmm that sticky fog mentioned, the crazy animals, the guy telling her to crawl. I think that one guy assumed crawling would keep her lower from whatever they were inhaling. It could also be liquids or something they consumed with toxins. The survivor may have only drank or ate a certain type but I doubt it over the animals. Fascinating and horrifying at the same time.
I thought he told her to crawl because the wind was so bad.
Perhaps Anthrax spores?
Fairy tales
@@ItzDylanMThat is exactly what happened. I know some people can be immune to it.
Great, informative video. I suspect that the constant rain and freezing temperatures killed them: hypothermia and pulmonary ædema. The potential harshness of Siberia is difficult to comprehend. The Urals are, for example, a deceptive mountain range. Seemingly so gentle, closer to hills. But also in the middle of Siberia's vastness, they can potentially take down anyone. I was there over fifty years ago, when it was still the USSR. Vast areas of the country were off limits to Westerners, particularly Americans. But even the areas of Siberia I was able to experience were simultaneously awe inspiring and frightening.
People talk about dread feeling in places far away but I had an experience I cannot explain and this place was my cousin's place two houses down from where I lived. I would go over to play games everyday for years, maybe like 2. This was the last day I ever went over. We would play games and try to beat it in two player co op on the SNES and I went over to see if they were home and they have one of those small made shed like doors with the see through material (idk what it's called) that was made for the dog to sleep in before anyone can enter the house. Anyways, I opened the door and greeted the dog and knocked at the door to the main house and I started to get this strange feeling, I mean it was horrific like I was being strangled. My breathing was being cut short, my eyes were watery and they felt like they were going to pop out of my head. I got scared and ran out of the place and halfway back to my house it went away almost instantly, it was f@#$ing scary as hell. I thought maybe I choked on my spit or smelled something bad. Anything my 11 year old brain could explain. Feeling better I went back and went into that first area to knock on the main door and suddenly the feeling was back, this time it was a slower approach. I could feel it my cousin opened the door and he was surprised that I rushed into the room and he was wondering what's wrong. I looked at him and he looked normal (because I was wondering why he wasn't feeling what I was.) He didn't know why I'm talking like "hey....I was wondering...if you...wanted to hangout..." Like I was having trouble breathing. He said that I don't look well and I tried to explain to him the feeling but I couldn't stay there anymore and I said "i'm going home... I'll see you" because that feeling was back like something invisible had it's hands around my throat squeezing. My saliva was gathering in my mouth and my tongue was trying to fold back and I ran like I've never ran before from their house and again, halfway home I felt like I crossed an invisible barrier that made the feeling go away almost instantly. I spat out my saliva that had pooled in my mouth and deep breaths before going home. Till this day I cannot explain or understand what it was and I never went over to their house because I was freaked out that I might get that feeling again. After that every other day our parents would ask why I don't go back and if us kids had a fight or something because we didn't hang out over at their place anymore. I never told them what happened and my cousin's just thought I didn't want to hang out with them anymore. When people say they had feelings of dread this is what I think they mean. It felt but the weird part is I didn't feel it, something forced me to. I've been over at their house for years and never did I feel like this. I've never felt it again for all these years but I remember the feeling.
That's interesting. You may be a type of sensitive or medium; like a 'physical medium' they call them. If that were the case maybe something happened there long ago that you tapped into subconsciously. Or it could have been some kind of spirit or entity..
Thank you for sharing your story. Unless a person has experienced what you have they don't understand the intricacies. Either you were having an allegic reaction to something in that place or a dark spirit was attacking you! Pray to Jesus to be delievered.!!!
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I feel like I just watched a television documentary. That was so well told, my mind and body just screams poison, whether natural or artificial, I would be 99.9% positive they were hallucinating before they passed away, over the years I have watched many survival stories, in water and mountains and forests where everyone of those people were suffering different levels of hypothermia and even forms of hallucinations over time, none of them happened that fast or that aggressively. And none of them involved a grieving family member who was paid to be silent, why would that even be remotely necessary, either way, an armchair detective after the fact is not at all helpful. Thank you for shedding light on this story in such a incredibly professional way, amazing, definitely a new subscriber here 🙂🕊✌.
Sounds like a combination of factors (like most disasters). Undereating, hypothermia, pulmonary edema, and potentially the rose root. Like Chris McCandless, something safe in normal situations can become toxic under duress conditions, maybe. Very interesting video. Thank you for sharing this tragedy.
This is heartbreaking...I never heard of this until I watched it here,those poor kids,the families must have been devastated, no theory can replace losing a child or a mother.Very sad ending to what was going to be a great experience for everyone.
This WAS 1993,IF they felt FUNNY,WHY could'nt they call for HELP?
Its really upsetting to someone like me who was adopted from russia, to hear people say this. Its not a bad place... we are good people. It hurts my pride of my geneology to think that people actaully say things like this. Its a lovely place with beautiful views and nice people. A situation like this could have happened anywhere in a cold environment. Please try to read more about the russian history...
Sorry you're upset. I'm sure it's lovely. 🥰🥰
@@angielou123 Its quite amazing on the eyes and soul ❤❤❤
Shut up.. it took you a long time to write that. It took me half a second to realize it’s useless
People are prejudiced. It's so funny to see other Americans commenting criticisms of Russian government or the poverty under the USSR given how terrible the US is and how high the percentage of poverty and homelessness is here
Russia and the US are a lot alike, really beautiful parts and really terrible parts. People are just nationalists
well coming from a country occupied and slaved by russia for centries, sorry cannot agree. Of course there are some good people... and if you are governing a country almost taking up half of the continent, there will be beautiful views but still there is some wish to take freedom, culture, language and history from others. So read more and be objective!
This sounds like extreme hypothermia, which often causes people to act irrationally, like undressing despite the freezing cold. I don't understand why people think it's a conspiracy. Cold mountain hiking is dangerous, even for experienced hikers.
It twas summer. Then it wasn't.
its the spirits man the spirits did it
@@Blobby192 Yea, nasty mountain spirits got angry because they picked too much of that Golden Root!
Wet clothes, wet sleeping bags, temperatures around freezing, strong wind. --Deadly.
I have seen many versions of this incident by others but yours is the most comprehensive and well put together of them all. Very well done.
If it’s 1993 why do the pictures look like they are from 1893
It is in Siberia
They're probably photocopies of original photos
Also in 93 Siberia was part of the communist, Russian controlled USSR, as it hadn't broken up yet, and was much more stringent then today's communist Russia.
Because Soviet Union
Why would they be starving if they packed 2400 calories of daily food? Seriously? Because they were hiking all day long and 2400 calories isn't nearly enough fuel for that... walking on flat ground without carrying anything for a couple hours will burn a few hundred calories.
Fog seems not to be a contrubuting factor [ i am counting 50% of team was experienced trekkers not first timers ]
Puzzle is how leader lead and how [ why ] members followed against basic instincts and basic experience. Wet and cold means protect yourself from exposure - this is why I think something else had happened there. and what was that factor which saved lone survivor ?
She stayed into her sleeping bag- and this further makes this is compliocated - WHY ON EARTH EVERYONE WAS NOT IN THER TENTS AND SLEEPING BAGS ?
Pulmonary Odema does cause frothing, but everyone behaving in same manner ..NO WAY.
Bleeding [ tear of cappiliraies in respiratory system ] effects oxygen supply to brain BUT behaviour never happens same. And this was very low altitude - I do not think Oxygen level dropped that low that it can cause PO - Hypothermia is strong factor as they were not wearnig proper clothing - why ?
Even in case of sudden / quick change - putting up proper clothing is common sense and doesnt need experience even. So something else is going on here which is not being disclosed.
@@SammyGill somebody said this as well this didn't add up
Except that there was still food in their backpacks. So the starvation thing doesn’t really make sense
@@LegendOfTheFLame393 Then it stands as compilation of circumstantial hypotheses...every contributor does his best- I am grateful to all friends who spared time and shared their views.
@@aprilgarcia6119 It's not that they starved, it's that they weren't eating enough for their bodies to work properly
Excellent and very organized video that went thru the events with clear and logical commentary while answering all the questions I may have asked. So many times videos like these miss key points and fail to ask pertinent questions. Well done.
Here’s my theory;
I think the toxic gases were the most likely. The accounts of the “sticky fog” are what stand out to me. I was watching a video previously about an incident where naturally occurring carbon monoxide gas (which is notably heavier than air) had mixed with sulfur to create a fog that left a “honey like” substance on everything. It wiped out an entire town with only a few survivors. That would explain why the survivor in this incident went unconscious. It would also explain why the daughter was paid off. The government likely knew of the gas and didn’t want anymore investigation to continue to prevent scrutiny and possible outrage.
Anyway…
Hydrogen Sulphide?
@@MadMax-bq6pg - Good point but almost a definite no for that particular terrain. Maybe if they were on a semi-dormant volcanic area but not this one from the pictures I'm seeing. Also Hydrogen Sulfide would have a very unpleasant odor which anyone of them would have noticed enough to say let's get the hell out of here. LOL
"Welcome to Siberia," says the mayor of Grim Reaper's-ville.
Thats Russians for you. Now that they have McDonald’s, Play Station and access to the web they can finally relax and not have to do crazy things like this for fun.
They thought he was dead and made their way down. Then he probably wasn't fully dead and they heard him yell then they went back up, just for him to die anyway and cause more chaos..
Well, the leader (Korovino?) told them to keep going while she stayed with him, but they came back up. Sounds to me like she knew something was wrong which is why she woke them and told everybody to get going, but it was too late and then she also died. I think it was poisoning from something they all consumed or were in contact with, but guess there’s no way we’ll ever know for sure.
@@itz..6179 What benefit would any entity gain by keeping the existence of such an animal secret?
@@AncientCreature-i2o They will never get the secret out... That the government is yetis!
According to another video, this territory had been a testing area for Novichok (spelling?), a nerve agent so devastating, it has been declared a weapon of mass destruction. The symptoms of it allegedly correspond to those of the victims, and if light residue covered the vegetation, it could explain the strange animal behaviour. Maybe most of the group ate contaminated berries, but the survivor declined and was spared. I'm not sure if this is the answer, but I find it noteworthy. Great video nonetheless!
Then why would animals touch their remains?
If those were natural deaths so why they paid natalia silent. Remember that we are we talking about Russian goverment. They seem to have some kind of man made poisoning, went crazy, because of madness didn't seek shelter, died from hypothermia. Valentina survived because she went to sleeping bag and sleep worst poison effect off. They were not contaminated like in radiation and the toxic effect was mild, but due the bad weather it was deadly. They were just another victims of Russian goverment. There is places in former Soviet Union countries where you cannot go due to chemical, bio or radiation contamination. So this is nothing new there. We should ask how many people had poisoning or died of that before these hikers. They sure didn't made in headlines.
Link?
@@mahtiveikko you don't just sleep the effects of Novichok off... But she may not have been in contact with it. It can stay active for decades, and there is no way for people or animals to detect it.
There is no logical reason to test nerve gas or any chemical agent on an unpopulated mountainside. The whole point of experiments is to analyze the results. What was the government going to do, go count dead animals in a forest?
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They literally camped in a soviet fallout zone.
Yup. Not sure that radiation is gonna kill you like that, but they were camping on some irradiated dirt.
@@SlyBlu7 Radiation contaminated water can definitely kill you like that.
@@SlyBlu7 They melted and drank snow. I believe the water was contaminated
Hypothermia, starvation, exhaustion, and excessive latent radioactivity can attribute to all the symptoms described. Given the timeframe, it is known that the area they were hiking in WAS an area periodically exposed to unknown amounts of irradiated particles
I like the theory of radioactivity but then how did one person escape?
@@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 just built different just like me. im not surprised because when ur willpower is stronger than the pain youre feeling you can def make it.
1993, makes sense it was at the time of Grozny war, hiking in Siberia, insanity.
In this context it is grisly not grizzly, that is for bears
Bravo.
There WERE bears! They threw themselves in front of passing trains, which sounds both grizzly, and grisly! :D
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I immediately suspected possible oxygen loss or a toxin. This is definitely an intrigue. How could they all drop in such proximity
She gave her in-detail interview years later. I mean, time alters memories. Insanity does not accompany pulmonary edema, nor would they all die so close to each other. Korovina taught the group to forage for edible foodstuffs. She was known for that. A lot of people think it was either poison plants she thought were safe or nerve agent testing. However, if nerve agent, doubtful one would have survived if the others had such severe symptoms. I favor the fact they gathered the wrong thing and ate it but that doesn’t explain how each body type/health of the hiker, would lead them to dying so close to each other. They should have been more spaced out.
Good job on reporting this though. It is an interesting case.
@Andrew H …could be either. They tested bioweapons in the area. That could leave a toxin but an environmental toxin would probably not have left any survivors. Like I said, time alters memories. She may simply not have consumed a toxic plant the rest did. Maybe it was a toxin right there in the snow. I don’t know but I doubt we will ever know. It’s a sad case.
Any food or drink based theory doesnt actually make biological sense. it would take time for the body to digest the contaminated or poisonous/toxic material, and this would happen at various rates in different bodies. Like you said it would be more spread out. i also agree that a weapon wouldnt have left any survivors. there is obviously just part of the story that has been lost to time. Maybe time was dilated from the trauma of the event and in her memory it makes it seem like everything happened all at once, maybe they ingested something she didnt without her knowledge, foraging was a thing back then because locals were far more likely to rip you off than give you actual food and stuff.
This is very interesting. The ingesting of toxic plants fallis into this category,but the girl never mentioned them hunting for plants for food
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321756#5
@@cstephenson3749 …..maybe but she didn’t speak about it for years and actually, the leader was known for it. That’s why she was popular. Students learned to identify edible plants etc. If everyone had died, I would say it was a bio weapon test but she lived, making me think it’s a plant toxin and that fits with the type of courses she ran but nothing really fits all the symptoms. It’s just so odd.
My initial assumption was nerve agent testing. I’m not sure about the first series of nerve agents (I can’t remember if the Russians were working on the V series, or what) but I imagine these agents do eventually break down. With so many other strange happenings with animals acting strange, it could have been early
novichok testing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent
This story just goes to show you how fast the elements in the wild can tear you down.
Botulism, she mentioned that one of their snacks was beets. Back then beets were notorious for botulism.
Ockhams razor
But do you die that way of botulism? You slowly lose control over parts of your body until you cant breath anymore.
@@ABW941 I think they were stopping and eating a little at a time, letting it kind of build up in their system
@@lemonsunshine947 It is one of the deadliest poisons known to man, a couple nanogramms will kill you, after ingesting the beets in any ammount it should be the same anyway. And as far as i know it doesnt fit the symptoms seen here, it is also hardly likely that the one survivor was poisoned too, but survived, if your eye lids start to act strange, and you feel sleepy you are allready too far gone(without modern medicine). It also doesnt look like a deliberate attack with chemical weapons, maybe it was something the military left behind, or something that went wrong. I also dont think that angry mountain spirits killed them for disrespecting them, otherwise there would be tons of dead mountaineers everywhere 😂
@@ABW941 I found this basic statement :
Symptoms of botulism usually start with weakness of the muscles that control the eyes, face, mouth, and throat. This weakness may spread to the neck, arms, torso, and legs. Botulism also can weaken the muscles involved in breathing, which can lead to difficulty breathing and even death.-
It’s a theory. There are a number of possibilities. Mountain spirits definitely don’t kill. They just make it rain and snow more 😆
I've dealt with sticky fog. At my grandparents they had this nice long creek that stretched along their property. If it was an especially hot day with a cool night this "sticky fog* would fill the banks and surrounding woods. So thick you could taste it almost. It also made you spit constantly or cough. It would condense on your clothes and if you weren't careful on an especially cold night you could get hypothermia. It was scary stuff especially at night.
"Worse than???" Perhaps the researchers for this should brush up on their Dyatlov pass incident because from my point of view, this story is a tad on the tame side of things compared to what happened at Dyatlov pass.
Maybe because they were younger teens? Otherwise not.
Dylatov was some fucked up shit that leaves you scratching your head like wtf, but halfways through the video and so far it just sounds like people dying of exposure on a hiking trip that went wrong.
@@Viranical
Then you should see what happens afterwards - that was not so tame.
I wouldn't call this story tame, but the horrific and unnatural wounds suffered by the members of the Dyatlov group still need some very convincing explanations.
This tragedy however could well have been caused by chemical warfare residues in the ground or in something they gathered to eat, such as mushrooms and berries, that were contaminated.
@@SNP-1999 Is this your first day using the English language all by yourself? That's cute. Now, did I call this story "tame?" No. I typed "SEEMS TAME BY COMPARISON!" Dyatlov pass had 9 deaths, this story had how many? It was 6 who perished, right? No one knows what happened up there to Dyatlov's hiking group (no survivors), this story has ONE witness/survivor. Also, this story doesn't mention anything about the victims being mutilated whereas the Dyatlov story has one person missing their eyes, another who bit off their tongue, all (or most of them) had orange skin and grey hair, but this story has 6 people who succumbed to the elements, they died from exposure (found wearing summer clothing/mountain had a freak cold snap).
The constant cold rain, fog, and wind prevented them from lighting a fire, their body temperatures were gradually lowered over several days. They were pushed beyond their physical limits.The leader Korovina failed to read the signs of fatigue and beginning hyperthermia. She were to blame - in my opinion.
imo the leader's ego got in the way. She should have cancelled before the hike started when the weather changed. She had prepared a bunch of newbies for a "summer" weather hike and they paid the price. "Summer" mountain weather includes extreme "winter" conditions happening at any point in time, and for any length of time.
She was a very experienced leader, how could she missed those signs in her group? Perhaps she was unwell from hypothermia and possibly mountain sickness which impaired her thinking and judgement.
@@silentbliss7666maybe she ate some of that flower root and got a little too confident.
@@silentbliss7666 Even experienced leaders can think too much of themselves and make bad judgement calls. I know of a spiritual leader who would train his students in his school to confront all types of fears and limitations. My dad was a student of his when he was living in Germany. One day he took his students to the local swimming pool and taught them how to just let themselves fall from the 10 meter diving board. And they shouldn't try to protect themselves, they should just fall how ever and have faith and let go of fear. Well on his third attempt this leader fell flat on his back and broke his stupid back and almost drowned! And that was the end of his spiritual school.
It happens all the time. Some leaders are caught up in their leader ego and make some bad judgement calls if they are not humble and pay respect to the simple signs and common sense.
Agreed. The video also mention how others noticed well before the tragedy this leader loved to exhaust her group members, everybody who hiked with her came back very exhausted.
I feel like I need to mention this - the Russian talk show that is mentioned near the end is known for its tendency to amp up the drama factor as much as possible. That's not to say what they're describing there couldn't theoretically happen, but keep in mind that the show itself is very sensasionalist and not a very credible source of information, thus everything said there should be taken with a grain of salt.
This is good info. Thank you.
Russian talk shows sound pretty wild then. Here in America talk shows are known to be the most factual source of info. Those silly Russians drink too much vodka
@@greenwave819 "in America, talk shows are very factual"
Please tell me I'm falling for a massive meme
@@greenwave819 Oh yes, just like Jimmy Fallon, the oh so serious bringer of news. And can’t forget Maury, the pillar of wisdom and truth, much like Jerry Springer.
Are you serious dude? Gtfoh 🤣😆🤣
But for someone to admit in public that she has accepted hush money is a very serious claim. This isn't something that can be said lightly or lied about without consequences
This incident deserves to be better-known. Several striking parallels to infamous Dyatlov. Thanks for the video.
Finally someone this has been talked about, i experienced this afew times in the mountain tops. Its such a scary and sickning feeling that comes out of no where especially when the fog settles in its no longer scenic or calming. The place i went too there were reports of a few people who comitted suicide but it was closer to the public carpark area, i had taken the hunters track and at the top not too far in there was a weather metre, but as i walked further in the fog grew thick i could barely see rhe length of my hands in front of me. I suddenly go this sickening feeling and i became very scared like i was in danger my brain was confused because everything was white so you could'nt even tell if you were on the ground or at the top of a mountain. I literally just grabbed my friend turned around and ran back to my car, speed back down the mountain. Never been back up there again.
Why do all the photos look like they were taken in 1903 instead of 1993 ? I know it's Siberia but come on
Soviet times
Thanks to comrade stalin
This was my first question. Are these actual photos?
@@skateboarding118 Soviet times are rapidly coming to the USA and it will be much much worse if all the brainwashed zombies don't wake up ASAP.
The small hats started the bolshevik revelation.....
They were behind the colonization of the world. And the Communist China was funded by them.
The warning sign at virtually the beginning was ignored. Raining constantly with the possibility of further deteriorating weather. Ignore the signs, you pay the price.