My pair come today. I expect them to be my endgame as well. I have other headphones for wider soundstage, brighter treble, and heavier bass. These are going to the "everything" headphones.
@@sleepinglysithia no problems with the Elex. Just over time you learn things and find new things. I have fallen in love with the Ananda and Ether C. I still think the Elex is a good headphone and highly recommend it.
I have the elex it's fantastic. I use it with RME dac 2. It's just phenomenal how fast the drivers are these headphones they have similar resolving abilities to utopia but a bit slower, I wouldn't notice a difference myself, except when I compared both headphones at my friends place next to a giant amp, and still the difference wasn't huge.
I have these and an Elear. The Elex is the more refined, detailed headphone, but Elear with Tru-fi is a pretty close 2nd with more bass and the dip in the mids was improved. Both handily beat the HD650/6xx in everything but comfort due to weight.
Had them for a few months now and occasionally female vocals sound metallic especially on the upper midrange. But still an overall great headphone for the price!
This review comes at at opportune time. I've been planning to get a headphone upgrade (ATM I mostly use the Senheiser HD700, the HD6XX a fair amount and the Hifiman 400i once in a blue moon) before the end of the year (I'm retired on a fixed income, so need to plan and save up). I've been considering the similarly priced MrSpeakers Aeon Flow Open, the Audeze LCD2 Classic and the Elex. I've already been leaning to the Elex and this review pretty much clinches it. Assuming it remains available on MD with next day shipping, I will probably buy them next week (when I get my Social Security payment LOL). I'll be using them with the Schiit Modi Multibit (whose somewhat dark leaning should well complement the bright Elex) and the MD CTH. But once I get new cans, I start saving up for the Monoprice Liquid Platinum, which should be my amp endgame; early reviews indicate that this $699 amp is very close to the $3000 Liquid Crimson upon which it is based..
Its rare when you give a more than positive review of a said headphone..and describing how these sound just made up my mind which can will be my next purchase...thanks!!
I like it when you review headphones under $1000. I would like to see a video going into the differences between power from amps and gain and volume. Also, maybe you could do a mini series on the ideal setup at certain price points and for certain uses. Keep up the excellent work. This channel is great.
It's funny how DMS' opinion on the Elear took a 180 degree with just a pad change. :D Which is basically what Elex is - an Elear with different pads. I owned the Elear too and did find them a bit weird sounding in the highs. However, the Elex still sounds a little weird to me in the highs, just a lot less so than the Elear did. But some unevenness in treble is still there with the Elex. Highs are somewhat smoother on the Clear, but HD6xx series are still superior in this regard.
The 6xx has a veil and sound muffled if you don't noticed that the clears and elex sound more dynamic and clearer and the treble is smooth I don't know what you are listening too I own the clears and the hd600 hd6xx hd579 love them all but the clears have more detail in the mids and slaps with with more instruments can't compare Apple's to oranges the focal clears are far superior to the hd600 line
Come on, there's no need to be offensive. I just wanted to share my personal experience with the headphones. I am actually not biased at all towards any brand. I actually strongly dislike the HD800 - I think Sennheiser messed up designing that one with the flawed tonal balance it has. I sold it without regrets and will take the Focals over it any day. So I am not a Sennheiser fanboy. Also, I think being a fanboy implies blindly believing that something is superior without justification. However, there are indeed very good objective reasons to love the HD6xx series. They simply measure great. Very even tonal balance, fast decay, lower distortion than most other cans in the mids and highs... I love the sound of the HD6XX in particular. I think HD600 is somewhat flawed in its balance because it has too much emphasis on the upper mids and not quite enough bass. HD6XX is indeed a little dark, but just a little. I don't find it veiled personally, although the bass isn't particularly great. There are many cans with better bass than the HD6xx series for sure. Mids and highs is where the Sennheisers truly shine. Actually, the Clear and Elex have a similar tonality to the HD6XX/650 - warm and full with focus on mid bass and a fairly relaxed treble, but much better bass quality than the HD6xx line. I actually think the upper highs are brighter on the HD6XX vs the Focals. Lower highs are similar. At least that's how I hear them.
Also, check my other comment here. I do love the Elex and Clear and rate them as overall better than the HD6xx series. There's no doubt than the Focals are technically superior in many ways. The bass and mids go to the Focals no doubt. I think the bass is revolutionary on the Focals for dynamic drivers. I've never heard any other open dynamics that can match them in overall low end quality. Speed and clarity go to the Focals by a good margin. Soundstage is quite small on the Focals though. I prefer HD6xx soundstage which is more spread out, less in your face, but that's personal preference I guess. Also, yes the treble does sound smoother to me on the HD6xx line. Overall, I do think that taking into account the law of diminishing returns, the Focals are not a huge step up. They are better, but I think those who stick with the HD6xx cans won't miss out much. For me personally, the HD6xx line is the sweet spot for hi-fi cans - it's a big step up from lower end cans and fairly close to modern flagship performance without breaking the bank.
Hey DMS. Have you seen Metal571's review of the Focal Elex he recently posted? I was wondering if you have a response to what he discussed. I am trying to figure out how you and him even listened to the same pair of cans.
Quick question : I am really torn between the Elex and the Lcd2c, but I am leaning more towards the Elex, because from all of the many, many reviews I've read of both (too many lol) they seem to be more of a great all-rounder rather than a genre master, which is what I'm looking for, since I listen to all kinds of music. BUT, I am somewhat treble sensitive, and the hd6xx is about as much treble presence as I want. Will the Elex be too fatiguing to my ears if I enjoy the treble of the 6xx?
I had the 2C’s for a while. The bass slam they provide is really something else. I found them lacking in dynamics. Not enough separation for my taste. Apparently they are easy to EQ. Unfortunately, I was not willing to do that. Also, quite heavy.
Sorry, just one more thing I wanted to add. I think Campfire Andromeda still has the best mids and highs I've heard. Better than Elex and Clear and HD6xx series to my ears. The treble smoothness on the Andros is like that of the HD6xx series, but with the speed and resolution closer to the Focals. Also, vocals sound just right to me on the Andros. Just the most natural I've heard. The soundstage on the Andromeda is also the best I've heard from any headphones and actually did remind me of listening to good nearfield monitors properly set up. Too bad I sold the Andro to get the Clear. I kinda regret it, but I did find the bass on the Andromeda to be not that great. That's the reason I sold them. It lacks definition to my ears.
Very True, the Elex is a great pair of headphones. You should try them with an ifi xDSD with XBass+ and 3D+ activated. Magic. But be careful with the low end because xBass+ improves the subbass radicall. ;)
Just bought these along with a thx 789 amp. After some listening I noticed that I have to upgrade my dac for my computer. Which currently I use just a soundblasterx G5. Your thoughts on the sound completely match what I hear. They remind me of the B&W 800 D3 hooked up to McIntosh amps. Just completely natural sounding
Picked up a set this week to complement my HD6XX, 700, 800SDR, and DT1990s. I have to agree that the Elex’s have more “punch” and are definitely not neutral, but I gotta admit that good engineering (Brian Culbertson, Melody Gardot, Dire Straits) make these cans shine...I’ll reserve final judgement for a while, but so far these are keepers.
I also have the HD6XX and HD600. The Elex and Clear are both darker than HD600 to my ears and fuller sounding. Both Focals sound close to the HD6XX is signature. However, I find the HD6xx series to have noticeably smoother, more even highs. More silky if you will. The Focals sound a little rough and metallic in comparison. In terms of transients and clarity, the Focals are significantly better than the HD6xx series however. I don't find the soundstage on the Focals at all impressive. They sound quite in your face IMO. Imaging is decent on the Focals I guess, but I think people tend to exaggerate imaging qualities of headphones. The truth is that headphones have very little in the way of stereo imaging compared to any decent, well set up speakers.
Just ordered a mint condition pair off ebay for $575 shipping included. If they are that much better than the elear I own then I'm in for something special!
Based on your video and other tidbits I've grabbed, I think I am going to make these my next purchase. I was considering these headphones after being burnt by a disappointing Sennheiser purchase despite overwhelming positive reviews of "amazing sound quality" and I guess they would be if you had used Skull Candy your whole life. I have have been aware of Focal in car audio for many years (where I started my voyage as an audiophile) and I have been very satisfied with the Focal Sphear earbuds I purchased for only $50. I would be curious to know if these are still your daily drivers and if you had any amp/dac recommendations for them. I have a Yamaha RX-V2035 that powers my home audio, but I think the headphone output is probably too little and the other outputs far too much. My only reservation with this purchase would be that the last time I tried a pair of open air headphones I hated them (~10 years ago?). The bass evaporated. They were Audio-Technica, probably around $150, but I don't remember the model number.
Great review! How would this compare to the Ananda? Looking for an all/"daily driver" headphone. I was also looking at the LCD 2F/Classic but it seems that a few people have/had issues with the drivers.
Hi DMS what cables you recommend for M1060C? I am finding that they are a bit dull at the moment (I wanted more wow out of them) but they only have a few hours on them and only being powered by a FIIO E17 (original one). Still waiting the the Audio-gd R2R 11 to arrive and that will likely help. but wanted to find out if you had a particular cable that might bring out the pizaz a bit more....you have a favorite? you like silver cables? Thanks!
Unsurprisingly, the best headphone cable you're going to find is the Monoprice one: www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=29515 Cable material: 8 cores*0.65mm(7*0.1mm）4+4 Hybrid Silver plated 4N OCC copper wire Cable Spec-wise, these are incredibly low capacitance, microphonic immune, low resistance, excellent soldering quality (I own 4 of these), and you can scrunch them into a ball and put them in your pocket. They're also incredibly beautiful and I can't help but run my fingers down them (with no introduced noise/microphonics!) all the time while wearing them. Should you decide to make the move to balanced later on, you can simply cut the 3.5mm connector off and solder a Neutrik XLR-4 on. It's 30 bucks. And arguably better in EVERY way than any of these cables being sold for $250. I just keep buying them and soldering different connectors depending on the input of which headphone I'm currently enjoying.
Late to the party but bought these yesterday and can't wait for them to arrive. Not sure how I missed this review during my research but this basically cleared all doubts about my purchase and can now only wait patiently.
I think cayin Iha-6 would be a good pairing because I hear its a really dynamic amp, but I also hear it has a slight treble bias so take this with a grain of salt.
PLEASE review the K712pro's next! I would love to hear your opinions on them. Also be sure to try them with a tube as well since it actually turns it into a HD650+ imo
Was thinking you would not like the elex because your review on elear is so negative lol, I have been very impressed with my elex and like you I sold my hd650, the dynamic is just so good on the elex, so fast responding. The only con I find is the weight of the elex is soooo much heavier than the hd650.
@@DMS3TV I just received this headphone. Did you find best amplifier/dac that has best match with this headphone? Thank you for your reply. Your channel always help me to decide even after a year:)
How much better are these than the HD660s? I have the 660s and I just want to make sure it's an upgrade that'll be worth the investment. Thank you! Really I want more bass and Soundstage while keeping great quality in the bass. I love my 660s but I definitely want some more out of done of the genres I like
These headphones do not stand the test of time. They break way too often, they are not "super HD 650s" The qc is so bad Focal "dropped drop" I feel like these should be addressed.
Seems like you really loved Elex that you used as daily drivers, but perhaps now you prefer Argon or the DT880? What are the key downsides of Elex you dont use them daily anymore, and do you think Argon or DT880s are superior to Elex in any way?
Hi dms.i think im going for the dt1990 as my daily driver for games movies. Would that be a good choice. Let me know or the akg 712 pro what do you think is the best i had the hd 700 and you was right too too fatinguing had to return them but awesome headphones so what do you think i should pick thankyou
Hi, thinking of getting a new set of cans. Currently, I have the LCD2C and would like something to complement it (my source is the IFI micro BL). Looking for something that is very detailed, natural and not dark, so this seems to sound like a good choice. How would you say the HD800S compares with this?
@@matthewburt5302 the hd800 soundstage can't be beat but they sound too sterile and cold . The elex has a narrow soundstage the result being more intimate with the music. Depends if soundstage is more important to u the elex is more enjoyable while the hd800 is more analytical.
Should I upgrade my Sennheiser 560s with those Elex? It seems both are quite good for being studio headphones, but I'm not sure how much does Elex beat 560s in that battle.
Please do an SendyAudio Aiva Black Beauty Series 97*76mm Planar Magnetic Headphones Massdrop x Focal Elex Headphones On the Massdrop x THX AAA™ 789 Linear Amplifier Please.
@@Styler00Dollar not enough high end detail and very poor resolution on the upper mids. Very noticeable on drums. I was actually disgusted with how bad contact by daft punk sounded. That is one of my reference tracks and I actually think the lcd-2c was one of the worst headphones I've ever heard for that song.
I do like what I hear about the Elex but I'm not able to try it out so I'm thinking of buying these based on reviews. I have the DT990 and a Modi/Magni3+ setup. I'm considering the Elex and the Topping DT90/AT90 so I can run them balanced. Can you please give me some advice regarding whether to go ahead with this upgrade or not?
@@dannybos7024 After seeing several reviews of faulty Elexs I'm not going through with the hassle of buying them from Drop through a third party to ship them to Sweden. Looking into Focal Clear Pro instead. Any thoughts on those?
@@rioblast Understandable as a fellow European. I can't comment on the Clear Pro unfortunately. I only got to test it out for a few minutes at CanJam a few years ago.
As far as an amplifier, maybe try a THX AAA 789 from Massdrop, they're on one day shipping right now. I'm super curious about those Focals with that thing. I'm actually really surprised you liked the Focals that much. The treble in Focals has always been a bit harsh for me. I had written them off, but I'm going to have to add them to my list to try again. I haven't really liked a Focal, but it seems like these may be "different" from the rest, which could be a good thing. Thoughts on these vs. LCDX? UPDATED: I just got a loxjie p20, which really sounds amazing with the 650's for some reason (when run balanced), so if you think the Elex's are upgrades over 650's, then this might be a great option... and its CHEAP AF!
It would be nice if you could review the LCD2 Closed-back. None of the major reviewers has done it yet. Also, there a battle between my mature and responsible self and my YOLO alter-ego about buying the Shure 1540 or the Focal Elex. The 1540's cost $300 less and I can use them at work and at home. The Elex are sexy and I like the curves on the frequency response graph, but that's $300 more and can't use them at work where I spend most of my time.:/
You should try the clears it's pure magic 😚am using the nfb11.28 dac and the jdl el amp awesome pairing . You should try the burson soloist mk2 it's a dynamic punchy amp fits the focal line great as tube amps aren't great for them
Actually there is an event tomorrow where I can get the Clear with a discount and am about 90% sure I'll buy it. I'm a HD 800 S owner and I absolutely love everything about it except the treble is just a bit harsh for my taste and the Clear just sounds like a better balanced headphone across all frequencies. It doesn't have the soundstage like the 800 S but I think it's good enough and fits my personal taste in audio.
@@leatherhidegaming before owning the clears I was all about soundstage like everything had to have a widesoundstage like am a avid gamer so I thought that a open back headphones would give me more of a advantage but closed backs gave me a isolated feel for a closer feeling for my area am in like listening for footsteps as in open back would loose detail and make everything more spread out . I know this has nothing to do with music but as for a widesoundstage comparing to a shorter sound stage in the clear it made me switch my preference like dms said there is no missing area I felt it more engaging with the music i listening to and dynamic and the treble was just perfect for me after my 2hr 1st listen I was sold .
I bought Clear a few months ago and I've been thinking about getting an amp/dac for some time. If you had to choose between using either nfb or el amp with Clear - which would you choose? (and why if it's not too much to ask) Some of the other ones I've been thinking about buying are Marantz HD-DAC1 and Questyle cma600i. Does anyone have any experience with those? Thanks in advance! :)
@@Draxlar the nfb11.28 is a more dynamic punchy fun amp while the el amp sounds more bigger and cleaner and accurate. Depends on what your looking for and budget
Augusto Rallo lol I’m wondering about this again, I got HD 6xxs like a month ago which was my first hifi audio product along with the xduoo xd05 plus & now I’m wonder where I upgrade. just might be these
@@irun2sanaxox In my opinion the elex is only worth the upgrade if any of the sennheiser lineup, (in your case the 6xx) feels veiled, and/or sluggish to your ears. Some people love the sound signature, and are very attached. In that case the only real endgame is the 800's, or the orpheus (lol). If you want properly extended, tight bass; crystalline highs, and lifelike dynamics the Elex is it. The only consistent problem I see people talking about is the unnatural timbre but they eq like a muthafucka so that's a non issue
Jon M I’ll go to ZMF way before I get HD 800’s. that’s for sure. These will be my upgrade, always wanted the beyers but these seem like the better package overall. So these, then zmf
To get anything to pop it would have to be pushed to levels that almost certainly cause hearing damage. I've heard of some people having this problem but that would take far too much volume for me.
It can also happen at not so loud volumes with certain type of basslines, I recreated that with the Utopia, Clear, Elear, I'm sure this will be the same, since it's the same driver design. It happens to not over drive the speakers.
I don't think I have the same goal as you on sound, but on the Lyr 3 with a 1944 ken rad tube (with the smoked glass), it is my bae EDIT: by smoked glass I mean the black glass that starts 1/4 up on the tube and is clear on top...was hard to find tbh
Ok, but how do the Focal Elex compare DT1990 Pro? You said, if I'm not mistaken, that you would exchange the 650s for the DT1990s as your daily driver if they weren't so expensive.
@@DMS3TV Cool, thanks for the reply. If so, it would be cool to know what's your opinion on the Elex vs. DT1990 in terms of performance. Good idea for a next video. ;)
Neither I have the clears and great for music not so great for gaming I used the hd598 and hd579 for gaming either are great for gaming . But also depends if you just want great audio yes it's Good for gaming but if your playing shooters and want to sound whore I use the mmx300 because those are the only headsets that I can pinpoint if they are on top , left , right or the bottom of me even I can tell if their on the other side of the wall without surround sound just stero it's awesome coming from hyperx to astro a40 nothing compares to the mmx300 for pubg, rainbow six etc...
@@frosty6845 Have you tried the Clears to form that statement? People keep saying Clears are much better... but the FR shows them to be almost identical. I wanted the Clears but got the Elex instead, and I'm afraid I'd want the Clears instead if I demo them.
@@kristoffer8740 Yes, the massdrop uses cheaper parts inside the driver. It's official, and Focal was pissed at Massdrop for saying it was the same as the Clear
Hey DMS i have chosen theses headset what would you remove from the list. I'm licensing to Rap, Hip-hop, Reggeaton, Trap, Spanish Music. Focal ELEX vs DT 1990 PRO, Hifiman Ananda, HIFIMAN SUNDARA, HD 6xx. Like some bass, vocals and highs dont like bass overpowering my music tho
So, as i know you are pretty technical guy, and in fact you like measurements. So if its possible i want to see amp/dac measurements and comparisons next, so i could understand what the hell is this audiophile terminology. but please, if you are going to do this, do a blind test first. Id love to see a blind test from any audio reviewer. thanks, and BTW love your videos
Think it might be time to save up on some desk speakers my dude. Was surprised to see you using some Bose Companion 2s. Look into the Vanatoo T0s. They're awesome.
I have these on my desk because they're quiet and don't produce much low end good for editing video at night. I've got the magnepans and B&W towers setup behind me.
Gotcha, makes sense man. I've been a subscriber for a while now. Always enjoy your reviews. I'm hoping i can start doing some reviews to starting with my JBL LSR 308s.
By the way, I just did my JBL LSR 308 and LSR 310 Subwoofer. If you would check it out and let me know what you think I'd really appreciate it! :) th-cam.com/video/66kJ7JCdbFs/w-d-xo.html
Weird Elex, but ok
I was waiting for this comment
@@DMS3TV I don't get it?
@@HenryFanboy it's a play on "weird flex, but ok"
@@HenryFanboy If it has to be explained...
👏👏👏
Great review, agree completely. The Elex are my end game headphone. They are the most immersive and dynamic headphone I have ever heard.
My pair come today. I expect them to be my endgame as well. I have other headphones for wider soundstage, brighter treble, and heavier bass. These are going to the "everything" headphones.
Are you still enjoying your Elex as much as when you made this comment?
@@sleepinglysithia I sold my Elex awhile back.
@@TheHonestAudiophile Thank you for the reply. I take it you found something better? Did your Elex develop any problems?
@@sleepinglysithia no problems with the Elex. Just over time you learn things and find new things. I have fallen in love with the Ananda and Ether C. I still think the Elex is a good headphone and highly recommend it.
I have the elex it's fantastic.
I use it with RME dac 2.
It's just phenomenal how fast the drivers are these headphones they have similar resolving abilities to utopia but a bit slower, I wouldn't notice a difference myself, except when I compared both headphones at my friends place next to a giant amp, and still the difference wasn't huge.
I have these and an Elear. The Elex is the more refined, detailed headphone, but Elear with Tru-fi is a pretty close 2nd with more bass and the dip in the mids was improved. Both handily beat the HD650/6xx in everything but comfort due to weight.
Had them for a few months now and occasionally female vocals sound metallic especially on the upper midrange. But still an overall great headphone for the price!
Clears don't
@@Josh-os2px I have the clears it sounds great but i still hear those metallic sound sometimes
Typical focal sound...even their car audio from many years ago have this problem...The berrilium drivers do not
..when did your voice get so deep?
new mic. also was recently sick.
Hommie hit puberty
@@DMS3TV Sick mic
@@DMS3TV what MIC?
finally elex review. I've been holding from buying the dt 1990 pro because of these.
Which one did you end up getting? I've been considering the DT 1990 and now these as well. I'm gonna have to make a decision lol.
This review comes at at opportune time. I've been planning to get a headphone upgrade (ATM I mostly use the Senheiser HD700, the HD6XX a fair amount and the Hifiman 400i once in a blue moon) before the end of the year (I'm retired on a fixed income, so need to plan and save up). I've been considering the similarly priced MrSpeakers Aeon Flow Open, the Audeze LCD2 Classic and the Elex. I've already been leaning to the Elex and this review pretty much clinches it. Assuming it remains available on MD with next day shipping, I will probably buy them next week (when I get my Social Security payment LOL). I'll be using them with the Schiit Modi Multibit (whose somewhat dark leaning should well complement the bright Elex) and the MD CTH. But once I get new cans, I start saving up for the Monoprice Liquid Platinum, which should be my amp endgame; early reviews indicate that this $699 amp is very close to the $3000 Liquid Crimson upon which it is based..
Its rare when you give a more than positive review of a said headphone..and describing how these sound just made up my mind which can will be my next purchase...thanks!!
Great review. Been waiting on this.
I like it when you review headphones under $1000. I would like to see a video going into the differences between power from amps and gain and volume. Also, maybe you could do a mini series on the ideal setup at certain price points and for certain uses. Keep up the excellent work. This channel is great.
One of your best reviews yet.
It's funny how DMS' opinion on the Elear took a 180 degree with just a pad change. :D Which is basically what Elex is - an Elear with different pads. I owned the Elear too and did find them a bit weird sounding in the highs. However, the Elex still sounds a little weird to me in the highs, just a lot less so than the Elear did. But some unevenness in treble is still there with the Elex. Highs are somewhat smoother on the Clear, but HD6xx series are still superior in this regard.
So says the sennheiser fanboy
The 6xx has a veil and sound muffled if you don't noticed that the clears and elex sound more dynamic and clearer and the treble is smooth I don't know what you are listening too I own the clears and the hd600 hd6xx hd579 love them all but the clears have more detail in the mids and slaps with with more instruments can't compare Apple's to oranges the focal clears are far superior to the hd600 line
Come on, there's no need to be offensive. I just wanted to share my personal experience with the headphones. I am actually not biased at all towards any brand. I actually strongly dislike the HD800 - I think Sennheiser messed up designing that one with the flawed tonal balance it has. I sold it without regrets and will take the Focals over it any day. So I am not a Sennheiser fanboy. Also, I think being a fanboy implies blindly believing that something is superior without justification. However, there are indeed very good objective reasons to love the HD6xx series. They simply measure great. Very even tonal balance, fast decay, lower distortion than most other cans in the mids and highs... I love the sound of the HD6XX in particular. I think HD600 is somewhat flawed in its balance because it has too much emphasis on the upper mids and not quite enough bass. HD6XX is indeed a little dark, but just a little. I don't find it veiled personally, although the bass isn't particularly great. There are many cans with better bass than the HD6xx series for sure. Mids and highs is where the Sennheisers truly shine. Actually, the Clear and Elex have a similar tonality to the HD6XX/650 - warm and full with focus on mid bass and a fairly relaxed treble, but much better bass quality than the HD6xx line. I actually think the upper highs are brighter on the HD6XX vs the Focals. Lower highs are similar. At least that's how I hear them.
Also, check my other comment here. I do love the Elex and Clear and rate them as overall better than the HD6xx series. There's no doubt than the Focals are technically superior in many ways. The bass and mids go to the Focals no doubt. I think the bass is revolutionary on the Focals for dynamic drivers. I've never heard any other open dynamics that can match them in overall low end quality. Speed and clarity go to the Focals by a good margin. Soundstage is quite small on the Focals though. I prefer HD6xx soundstage which is more spread out, less in your face, but that's personal preference I guess. Also, yes the treble does sound smoother to me on the HD6xx line. Overall, I do think that taking into account the law of diminishing returns, the Focals are not a huge step up. They are better, but I think those who stick with the HD6xx cans won't miss out much. For me personally, the HD6xx line is the sweet spot for hi-fi cans - it's a big step up from lower end cans and fairly close to modern flagship performance without breaking the bank.
The pads isn't the only thing that changed, the dampening is different between the Elex and Elear
Awesome review! How will these sound with the Woo WA7?
I just found these fo $399 . Im beyond pleased . Im going to try to buy a backup pair .I dont need anything more . What a steal
I have come to preach the gospel of Focal Elex. Buy them. They're great.
Hey DMS. Have you seen Metal571's review of the Focal Elex he recently posted? I was wondering if you have a response to what he discussed. I am trying to figure out how you and him even listened to the same pair of cans.
This please!!
This
Quick question : I am really torn between the Elex and the Lcd2c, but I am leaning more towards the Elex, because from all of the many, many reviews I've read of both (too many lol) they seem to be more of a great all-rounder rather than a genre master, which is what I'm looking for, since I listen to all kinds of music. BUT, I am somewhat treble sensitive, and the hd6xx is about as much treble presence as I want. Will the Elex be too fatiguing to my ears if I enjoy the treble of the 6xx?
I had the 2C’s for a while. The bass slam they provide is really something else. I found them lacking in dynamics. Not enough separation for my taste. Apparently they are easy to EQ. Unfortunately, I was not willing to do that. Also, quite heavy.
@@tmbacz I ended up getting the Elex and I'm very satisfied with them
Sorry, just one more thing I wanted to add. I think Campfire Andromeda still has the best mids and highs I've heard. Better than Elex and Clear and HD6xx series to my ears. The treble smoothness on the Andros is like that of the HD6xx series, but with the speed and resolution closer to the Focals. Also, vocals sound just right to me on the Andros. Just the most natural I've heard. The soundstage on the Andromeda is also the best I've heard from any headphones and actually did remind me of listening to good nearfield monitors properly set up. Too bad I sold the Andro to get the Clear. I kinda regret it, but I did find the bass on the Andromeda to be not that great. That's the reason I sold them. It lacks definition to my ears.
Hey good review. Just about to receive these. Now this many years later what do you think bests these at the price point?
Very True, the Elex is a great pair of headphones. You should try them with an ifi xDSD with XBass+ and 3D+ activated. Magic. But be careful with the low end because xBass+ improves the subbass radicall. ;)
To note the Elex uses the Clear pads & headband, going to pair these with my SU-8/789 combo
They're not the same pads or headband. They're a tad different
Just bought these along with a thx 789 amp. After some listening I noticed that I have to upgrade my dac for my computer. Which currently I use just a soundblasterx G5. Your thoughts on the sound completely match what I hear. They remind me of the B&W 800 D3 hooked up to McIntosh amps. Just completely natural sounding
Picked up a set this week to complement my HD6XX, 700, 800SDR, and DT1990s. I have to agree that the Elex’s have more “punch” and are definitely not neutral, but I gotta admit that good engineering (Brian Culbertson, Melody Gardot, Dire Straits) make these cans shine...I’ll reserve final judgement for a while, but so far these are keepers.
Arlan Levitan still enjoying them?
It'd be great if you did a comparison between these and the Focal Clear
I also have the HD6XX and HD600. The Elex and Clear are both darker than HD600 to my ears and fuller sounding. Both Focals sound close to the HD6XX is signature. However, I find the HD6xx series to have noticeably smoother, more even highs. More silky if you will. The Focals sound a little rough and metallic in comparison. In terms of transients and clarity, the Focals are significantly better than the HD6xx series however.
I don't find the soundstage on the Focals at all impressive. They sound quite in your face IMO. Imaging is decent on the Focals I guess, but I think people tend to exaggerate imaging qualities of headphones. The truth is that headphones have very little in the way of stereo imaging compared to any decent, well set up speakers.
Just ordered a mint condition pair off ebay for $575 shipping included. If they are that much better than the elear I own then I'm in for something special!
Based on your video and other tidbits I've grabbed, I think I am going to make these my next purchase. I was considering these headphones after being burnt by a disappointing Sennheiser purchase despite overwhelming positive reviews of "amazing sound quality" and I guess they would be if you had used Skull Candy your whole life. I have have been aware of Focal in car audio for many years (where I started my voyage as an audiophile) and I have been very satisfied with the Focal Sphear earbuds I purchased for only $50. I would be curious to know if these are still your daily drivers and if you had any amp/dac recommendations for them. I have a Yamaha RX-V2035 that powers my home audio, but I think the headphone output is probably too little and the other outputs far too much. My only reservation with this purchase would be that the last time I tried a pair of open air headphones I hated them (~10 years ago?). The bass evaporated. They were Audio-Technica, probably around $150, but I don't remember the model number.
Are these good for jazz, folk, country type music?
Thanks for the review. Please do an update on how’s the bass response when partnered with tube gear.
Hey DMS, How would you compare them with the DT1990 for pro work? Which one would you choose?
When friends ask me what is an audiophile , I give them your channel :)
Great review! How would this compare to the Ananda? Looking for an all/"daily driver" headphone. I was also looking at the LCD 2F/Classic but it seems that a few people have/had issues with the drivers.
@DMS - Still like the Elex?
100%
@@DMS3TV still using elex as daily driver..? Saw your new video seems to be always hd6xx..?
Hi DMS what cables you recommend for M1060C? I am finding that they are a bit dull at the moment (I wanted more wow out of them) but they only have a few hours on them and only being powered by a FIIO E17 (original one). Still waiting the the Audio-gd R2R 11 to arrive and that will likely help. but wanted to find out if you had a particular cable that might bring out the pizaz a bit more....you have a favorite? you like silver cables? Thanks!
Unsurprisingly, the best headphone cable you're going to find is the Monoprice one: www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=29515
Cable material: 8 cores*0.65mm(7*0.1mm）4+4 Hybrid Silver plated 4N OCC copper wire Cable
Spec-wise, these are incredibly low capacitance, microphonic immune, low resistance, excellent soldering quality (I own 4 of these), and you can scrunch them into a ball and put them in your pocket.
They're also incredibly beautiful and I can't help but run my fingers down them (with no introduced noise/microphonics!) all the time while wearing them.
Should you decide to make the move to balanced later on, you can simply cut the 3.5mm connector off and solder a Neutrik XLR-4 on.
It's 30 bucks. And arguably better in EVERY way than any of these cables being sold for $250.
I just keep buying them and soldering different connectors depending on the input of which headphone I'm currently enjoying.
What about the "slam" everybody says that Focals have? How does it compare to others?
Not much slam like planars but just enough in my opinion the best for dynamic driver tight and punchy
Late to the party but bought these yesterday and can't wait for them to arrive. Not sure how I missed this review during my research but this basically cleared all doubts about my purchase and can now only wait patiently.
Did you encounter any quality control problems, failed driver?
I think cayin Iha-6 would be a good pairing because I hear its a really dynamic amp, but I also hear it has a slight treble bias so take this with a grain of salt.
PLEASE review the K712pro's next! I would love to hear your opinions on them. Also be sure to try them with a tube as well since it actually turns it into a HD650+ imo
Great video!
I'm curious how do these compare to the newer Senn HD 560s?
Blow the 560s out the water
Was thinking you would not like the elex because your review on elear is so negative lol, I have been very impressed with my elex and like you I sold my hd650, the dynamic is just so good on the elex, so fast responding. The only con I find is the weight of the elex is soooo much heavier than the hd650.
DMS Do you still like it after more than a year now?
Still love it
@@DMS3TV I just received this headphone. Did you find best amplifier/dac that has best match with this headphone? Thank you for your reply. Your channel always help me to decide even after a year:)
DMS, now it makes sense. Got to add them on my shopping list now!
Great review
how do they compare with zmf auteur? i cant possibly imagine anything sounding better headphone wise. i even sold my stax l700 for them
Great review, how are you finding the JDS Stack vs other DAC/Amp combos?
Would love to see you review the LCD-XC. Doesn’t get much reviews.
Best eq app for TH-cam streamed music ?
How much better are these than the HD660s? I have the 660s and I just want to make sure it's an upgrade that'll be worth the investment. Thank you! Really I want more bass and Soundstage while keeping great quality in the bass. I love my 660s but I definitely want some more out of done of the genres I like
These headphones do not stand the test of time. They break way too often, they are not "super HD 650s" The qc is so bad Focal "dropped drop" I feel like these should be addressed.
Do u still have them
Cool, how does it compare to the Focal Clear?
Elex + NFB 11.28 or R2R-11? Also, big heads, how is the comfort? I want these headphones, but not sure on comfort for me.
Seems like you really loved Elex that you used as daily drivers, but perhaps now you prefer Argon or the DT880?
What are the key downsides of Elex you dont use them daily anymore, and do you think Argon or DT880s are superior to Elex in any way?
For those who have the ifi micro black label, do you feel like it will do this headphone justice ?
They will do just fine
Hi dms.i think im going for the dt1990 as my daily driver for games movies. Would that be a good choice. Let me know or the akg 712 pro what do you think is the best i had the hd 700 and you was right too too fatinguing had to return them but awesome headphones so what do you think i should pick thankyou
Hi, thinking of getting a new set of cans. Currently, I have the LCD2C and would like something to complement it (my source is the IFI micro BL). Looking for something that is very detailed, natural and not dark, so this seems to sound like a good choice. How would you say the HD800S compares with this?
I personally find the HD800 and HD800S to be a miserable headphone. I much prefer the Elex.
@@DMS3TV Thanks for the response, love your videos! :). How would you say the soundstage and openness compare with the Elex and HD800S? :)
@@matthewburt5302 the hd800 soundstage can't be beat but they sound too sterile and cold . The elex has a narrow soundstage the result being more intimate with the music. Depends if soundstage is more important to u the elex is more enjoyable while the hd800 is more analytical.
Should I upgrade my Sennheiser 560s with those Elex? It seems both are quite good for being studio headphones, but I'm not sure how much does Elex beat 560s in that battle.
These plus the Questyle CMA400i are my favorite combo.
Brad Wilson same :)
What kind of sound signature is the dac on the 400i I was deciding on this or the dx7s?
Anyone has a recommended headphone amp that has good synergy with these headphones. Thinking of Lakepeople amp?
Amazing what a new set of pads will do...
Have you tested the Hifiman Sundara and Susvara? They also look very nice.
They have issues alott of complaints with them breaking
Have sundaras, love em. Only problem is the right headband arm the adjustment clicks arent too firm. Worth every penny of 350
Have you heard the focal clear? How does this compare?
Please do an SendyAudio Aiva Black Beauty Series 97*76mm Planar Magnetic Headphones Massdrop x Focal Elex Headphones On the Massdrop x THX AAA™ 789 Linear Amplifier Please.
I regret getting the LCD-2cs over these. I'm not happy with LCD-2c at all.
Why?
@@Styler00Dollar not enough high end detail and very poor resolution on the upper mids. Very noticeable on drums. I was actually disgusted with how bad contact by daft punk sounded. That is one of my reference tracks and I actually think the lcd-2c was one of the worst headphones I've ever heard for that song.
You should change your amp. The lcd2c has wonderful natural timbre even compared to the focal elex, focal clear..
I do like what I hear about the Elex but I'm not able to try it out so I'm thinking of buying these based on reviews. I have the DT990 and a Modi/Magni3+ setup. I'm considering the Elex and the Topping DT90/AT90 so I can run them balanced. Can you please give me some advice regarding whether to go ahead with this upgrade or not?
Yeah go for it .
@@dannybos7024 After seeing several reviews of faulty Elexs I'm not going through with the hassle of buying them from Drop through a third party to ship them to Sweden. Looking into Focal Clear Pro instead. Any thoughts on those?
@@rioblast Understandable as a fellow European. I can't comment on the Clear Pro unfortunately. I only got to test it out for a few minutes at CanJam a few years ago.
@@dannybos7024 Do you have any other suggestions instead? Tried Hifimans Ananda?
@@rioblast The Ananda is a pretty great headphone imo. One of my favorites.
As far as an amplifier, maybe try a THX AAA 789 from Massdrop, they're on one day shipping right now. I'm super curious about those Focals with that thing. I'm actually really surprised you liked the Focals that much. The treble in Focals has always been a bit harsh for me. I had written them off, but I'm going to have to add them to my list to try again. I haven't really liked a Focal, but it seems like these may be "different" from the rest, which could be a good thing. Thoughts on these vs. LCDX?
UPDATED: I just got a loxjie p20, which really sounds amazing with the 650's for some reason (when run balanced), so if you think the Elex's are upgrades over 650's, then this might be a great option... and its CHEAP AF!
Try the clears
@@Josh-os2px yeah, I've tried the clears and the utopias... I was not a fan. To sterile, cold, and treble centric for my tastes.
Clears harsh in the highs sometimes? Ja. Too sterile and cold? Nein
Next video plz compare them to Austrian audio hi-x65…
It would be nice if you could review the LCD2 Closed-back. None of the major reviewers has done it yet. Also, there a battle between my mature and responsible self and my YOLO alter-ego about buying the Shure 1540 or the Focal Elex. The 1540's cost $300 less and I can use them at work and at home. The Elex are sexy and I like the curves on the frequency response graph, but that's $300 more and can't use them at work where I spend most of my time.:/
You should try the clears it's pure magic 😚am using the nfb11.28 dac and the jdl el amp awesome pairing . You should try the burson soloist mk2 it's a dynamic punchy amp fits the focal line great as tube amps aren't great for them
Actually there is an event tomorrow where I can get the Clear with a discount and am about 90% sure I'll buy it. I'm a HD 800 S owner and I absolutely love everything about it except the treble is just a bit harsh for my taste and the Clear just sounds like a better balanced headphone across all frequencies. It doesn't have the soundstage like the 800 S but I think it's good enough and fits my personal taste in audio.
@@leatherhidegaming before owning the clears I was all about soundstage like everything had to have a widesoundstage like am a avid gamer so I thought that a open back headphones would give me more of a advantage but closed backs gave me a isolated feel for a closer feeling for my area am in like listening for footsteps as in open back would loose detail and make everything more spread out . I know this has nothing to do with music but as for a widesoundstage comparing to a shorter sound stage in the clear it made me switch my preference like dms said there is no missing area I felt it more engaging with the music i listening to and dynamic and the treble was just perfect for me after my 2hr 1st listen I was sold .
I bought Clear a few months ago and I've been thinking about getting an amp/dac for some time. If you had to choose between using either nfb or el amp with Clear - which would you choose? (and why if it's not too much to ask)
Some of the other ones I've been thinking about buying are Marantz HD-DAC1 and Questyle cma600i. Does anyone have any experience with those?
Thanks in advance! :)
@@Draxlar the nfb11.28 is a more dynamic punchy fun amp while the el amp sounds more bigger and cleaner and accurate. Depends on what your looking for and budget
@@ELSA-ex4ph Damm... I love all those things. Guess I'll just try to get both. People say great things about them :D
Thank you for your help.
these or beyerdynamic dt1990 pro? maybe both? : - )
Got to the same crossroads, ended up with the Elex, couldn't be happier
Yeah took a gamble with the Elex. Best decision I've ever made regarding audio, the cans sound like they were specifically tailored to me
Augusto Rallo lol I’m wondering about this again, I got HD 6xxs like a month ago which was my first hifi audio product along with the xduoo xd05 plus & now I’m wonder where I upgrade. just might be these
@@irun2sanaxox In my opinion the elex is only worth the upgrade if any of the sennheiser lineup, (in your case the 6xx) feels veiled, and/or sluggish to your ears.
Some people love the sound signature, and are very attached. In that case the only real endgame is the 800's, or the orpheus (lol).
If you want properly extended, tight bass; crystalline highs, and lifelike dynamics the Elex is it. The only consistent problem I see people talking about is the unnatural timbre but they eq like a muthafucka so that's a non issue
Jon M I’ll go to ZMF way before I get HD 800’s. that’s for sure. These will be my upgrade, always wanted the beyers but these seem like the better package overall. So these, then zmf
How would you say these compare to the ZMF Aeolus
elex the chadphone
OK, so these or the DT1990s? Symphonic or rock?
Elex for sure. 1990 is analytical and great but Elex is on another level.
@@DMS3TV You rock dude. Thank you. :-)
I had the same question so good to know
DMS :O !!!! Woah!
1990 owner here. Love them. I'd still go with these.
I wanna sell all my audio equipment and buy these now thanks mate :D
I've heard about a popping/speaker clipping at high volumes. What's your take on this?
To get anything to pop it would have to be pushed to levels that almost certainly cause hearing damage. I've heard of some people having this problem but that would take far too much volume for me.
@@DMS3TV What's the maximum volume in dB did you test them at ?
It can also happen at not so loud volumes with certain type of basslines, I recreated that with the Utopia, Clear, Elear, I'm sure this will be the same, since it's the same driver design. It happens to not over drive the speakers.
Mufasa The Utopia were a little better in that regard. It took a little more gain to clip them.
wow!
Need to decide between these and the beyer t1.2 help!
Price?
$699 on Massdrop.
I would only be worried about the creaking that comes with focal headphones and the drivers that end up crackling...
My drivers on my clears don't crackle
Can u do a comparison or let me know? Which is best elex or elegia in the vocals department ta
I don't think I have the same goal as you on sound, but on the Lyr 3 with a 1944 ken rad tube (with the smoked glass), it is my bae EDIT: by smoked glass I mean the black glass that starts 1/4 up on the tube and is clear on top...was hard to find tbh
Ok, but how do the Focal Elex compare DT1990 Pro? You said, if I'm not mistaken, that you would exchange the 650s for the DT1990s as your daily driver if they weren't so expensive.
Elex is so much better that it's worth the price.
@@DMS3TV Cool, thanks for the reply. If so, it would be cool to know what's your opinion on the Elex vs. DT1990 in terms of performance. Good idea for a next video. ;)
hope you can compare these with the sony z7m2
are these good for gaming too ? and what do you think about massdrop hifiman edition xx
Neither I have the clears and great for music not so great for gaming I used the hd598 and hd579 for gaming either are great for gaming . But also depends if you just want great audio yes it's Good for gaming but if your playing shooters and want to sound whore I use the mmx300 because those are the only headsets that I can pinpoint if they are on top , left , right or the bottom of me even I can tell if their on the other side of the wall without surround sound just stero it's awesome coming from hyperx to astro a40 nothing compares to the mmx300 for pubg, rainbow six etc...
How does it compare against the ZMF Auteur?
Zmf Not as dynamic more of a smooth warm laid back soud better bass . The focal more fast dynamic more foward
Send them to Metal571 .... I want a second opinion...
^^ Metal571 second account :)
i too have the elex and el stack.. have you found any better setups
The Elex are really only just a pad swap of the Elear with clear pads and cable. Just comes to show how much of a difference good pads can do.
The Clear is literally the Elear with different pads and a lower impedance. The Elex is a Clear in all but name and color scheme
@@frosty6845 Have you tried the Clears to form that statement? People keep saying Clears are much better... but the FR shows them to be almost identical.
I wanted the Clears but got the Elex instead, and I'm afraid I'd want the Clears instead if I demo them.
@@einwithshades1677 Clear drivers use a copper voicecoil. Elex drivers uses aluminium voice coil.
"Just comes to show how much of a difference good pads can do." or the placebo effect is.
@@kristoffer8740 Yes, the massdrop uses cheaper parts inside the driver. It's official, and Focal was pissed at Massdrop for saying it was the same as the Clear
The leather case in your intro, do you have a link to it?
Really want to get these but I don’t know if I could get rid of my HD6XX!! Might need to keep both
you wont need both.. trust me
Hey DMS i have chosen theses headset what would you remove from the list. I'm licensing to Rap, Hip-hop, Reggeaton, Trap, Spanish Music. Focal ELEX vs DT 1990 PRO, Hifiman Ananda, HIFIMAN SUNDARA, HD 6xx. Like some bass, vocals and highs dont like bass overpowering my music tho
Are they better than dt 1990 pro?
They look great and can be got for $450 now
So, as i know you are pretty technical guy, and in fact you like measurements. So if its possible i want to see amp/dac measurements and comparisons next, so i could understand what the hell is this audiophile terminology. but please, if you are going to do this, do a blind test first.
Id love to see a blind test from any audio reviewer.
thanks, and BTW love your videos
Are those some Bose speakers?
.
Until Clear drops in price or there is a Clear Massdrop variant, Elex will be a dream of mine.
Compare to the new hd660s, how much better for the price are these? Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
Focal is more dynamic and hits you with more detail in the music than the hd660 and sounds cleaner with better bass
Marcial Pairola basically if you heard them side by side, you think the 660s sounds like there is a pillow between you and the headphone
@@HungryCheff exactly lol
so of the most dynamic range in a headphone...
Think it might be time to save up on some desk speakers my dude. Was surprised to see you using some Bose Companion 2s. Look into the Vanatoo T0s. They're awesome.
I have these on my desk because they're quiet and don't produce much low end good for editing video at night. I've got the magnepans and B&W towers setup behind me.
Oh, do you not use your headphones to edit at night?
Sometimes. I edit non-stop basically every day so sometimes I need a break from something on my ears.
Gotcha, makes sense man. I've been a subscriber for a while now. Always enjoy your reviews. I'm hoping i can start doing some reviews to starting with my JBL LSR 308s.
By the way, I just did my JBL LSR 308 and LSR 310 Subwoofer. If you would check it out and let me know what you think I'd really appreciate it! :) th-cam.com/video/66kJ7JCdbFs/w-d-xo.html
They look so f'ing gorgeous
Could anyone recommend me a few open-air headphones for gaming that have decent bass?
dt770
hd58x
m1060
dt1990
elex