Dawn Eden Goldstein - Antisemitism in the Church
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- This week, Dominic and Paul talk with author and theologian, Dawn Eden Goldstein. They discuss the presence, both historical and ongoing, of antisemitism in the Catholic Church. Specifically, Dawn speaks about a talk she gave two years ago for the Society of G.K. Chesterton concerning Chesterton’s antisemitic writings. Dawn talks about how Catholics today need to honestly acknowledge and wrestle with the sins of their heroes.
Dawn Eden Goldstein is the author of “Father Ed: The Story of Bill W.'s Spiritual Sponsor” and several other books, including “The Thrill of the Chaste” and “My Peace I Give You: Healing Sexual Wounds with the Help of the Saints.” Together, her books have sold more than sixty thousand copies worldwide in ten languages.
Dr. Goldstein began her working life as a rock-and-roll historian and went on to editorial positions at the New York Post and the Daily News before publishing her first book in 2006. In 2016, she became the first woman to earn a doctorate in sacred theology from the University of St. Mary of the Lake. She has taught at universities and seminaries in the United States, England, and India. Today she lives in Washington, DC, where she recently received a degree in canon law at the Catholic University of America.
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Talk for the Society of G.K. Chesterton: “Chesterton and My Jewish/Catholic Journey”:
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Recap of that Chesterton talk: dawneden.blogs...
Father Ed: The Story of Bill W's Spiritual Sponsor: orbisbooks.com...
Archbishop Kevin Rhoades, "Friendship with Our Jewish Brothers and Sisters": todayscatholic...
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Wow, I have a LOT to say about this one. 1. Some background. I have Jewish ancestry. My daddy was Jewish--and a convert too. He was reformed then became a Christian in 1974 then converted to the Catholic Church in 2001. I had already converted in 1999 and was already a trad. Although my daddy went to the TLM with me several times, he never went trad and probably for good reason. I hid certain trad stuff from him for specifically the antisemitic stuff I encountered and I knew it would upset him and I know that the antisemitism has just got worse. Frankly, when I was in trad circles--they ate up a lot of the pre-Vatican II stuff which had antisemitic/racist stuff in it and we have to honestly have a reckoning here about this.
2. Even though there's plenty of Church documents saying that the Jews are not responsible for Our Lord's death and that we are to love the Jewish people, etc for centuries, the Church has had a culture of antisemitism. It's the truth in both the east and the west. This culture of antisemitism was so ingrained, especially in Europe--within parishes that it didn't take much for it to further metastasize into Nazism.
3. I tried to get into Chesterton early on and frankly, he kinda bored me so I'm glad I didn't get deep into him because frankly, his antisemitic views and his views on hitler and nazis is appalling and frankly made me sick 🤮. It is a cop out to say "well, he's a product of his time." That is used too often whenever we look at a person in different historic periods because there's plenty of others who didn't think like them too and that's where good scholarship comes in and I commend Dawn for putting this out there and I agree that there needs to be a reckoning in the Chesterton society but frankly, there needs to be in the whole Church because antisemitism and racism are still alive and well and it's growing thanks to how social media has been working but I do feel that the Church has moved too slow on this. The average person isn't reading Church documents, instead they listen to podcasts and social media and if they're thinking that E. Michael Jones or some of these other trads or not even just them--but others who say antisemitic adjacent things and then are endorsed by people in the Church--what does that say?
For example--we still have bishops/priests saying we have to only vote for "pro-life" ie. GOP candidates which means they support and cajole us to vote for them on pain of "mortal sin" in some cases because "abortion." Meanwhile, these candidates--some of them--do say racist, antisemitic stuff and endorse horrible policies. Just in the past stupid GOP primary debate, my stupid governor deathsantis was ranting about George Soros--a DEFINITE antisemitic dog whistle but hey, he'll be endorsed by Catholics because "pro life" and he's a Catholic himself. Not to mention his other racist rhetoric he has too.
Again, I might be going off on a tangent here but what I'm frankly saying is that a lot of people are listening to stuff outside the church--hateful stuff and it's NOT GETTING ADRESSED within the Church. The Church is having the idea that antisemitism and racism doesn't exist anymore but it definitely does and it DEFINITELY does among trad circles--a TOTAL hotbed for this horrible stuff which is another reason why I think the TLM needs to be totally disbanded because it festers this stuff. Anyway, Great discussion. God bless you Dawn. I love your stuff and follow you on Twitter/X and keep doing the good work your doing.
As a Gentile Catholic, I deeply appreciated this conversation... Knowing that anti-Jewish sentiment still exists today in the Church at such high rates is painful and confusing. May we pray and work for change.
I am a Hebrew Catholic and I am concerned about antisemitism, or antiJewshness, antiZionism and antiJudaism among certain Catholics today. However I think one needs to realise that such attitudes before Vatican II are understandable as the theology had not developed as it has today. I would see there is a big difference between antisemitism by Chesterton and others before Vatican II and the same attitude among certain Catholics today. An interesting interview and I wish Dawn all the best and agree with her about her experiences among traditionalist Catholics which was very similar to my own experience with them back in the 1980's when I became a Catholic. By the way I am not a fan of Chesterton and found his writings just didn't grab me like they seem to do for many others. I felt the same about Belloc.
I come from a deeply Traditionalist family and I can vouch for the link between Traditionaism and antisemitism which is spoken of here. It is very sad because in my family I was raised on the spirituality of the saints and on the Catechism of the Church but after Vatican II the thing got mixed up with that antisemitism which seemed to be part and parcel of the rejection of the Council and all the Council represented (ecumenism, the teaching on religious liberty--which was perhaps the thing that the Lefebvrists most objected to. The true sense of Dignitatis Humanae must be defended. It has to do with the deeply human nature of religion, that religion is principally an interior thing, but which has also exterior expression on account of the sacramentality characterizing God´s creation.) But that antisemitism came to be something very painful to me as I reflected on the evil that is represented in antisemitism. Antisemitism is always a principal form of racism and with the Council especially the Church takes a definitive stand against these things, and we see that once again in Francis who is insisting very much on the point: Fratelli Tutti. The point is unnegotiable. Therefore also the insistence of Francis with regard to immigrants and refugees. If one says I am against abortion but the rights of immigrants leave me cold one is spiritually inconsistent. Lastly I was thinking about the sad remark of GKC about "rich jews" It is always the rich jews that get pointed at by the antisemites (and now that goes under the dog whistle of "globalists"). The rich Jews are the cause of the world´s problems (and one forgets about greed and avarice, which we are ALL guilty of). But it is the poor jews that by and large get sent off to the Death Camps. But you see both things are part of the same mechanism: the discourse about rich Jews and the disposal of the poor ones. The people in Gaza are practically speaking poor Jews. Okay most are Moslems but the principle is still valid. They are Semtes. They are Palestinians. They can be treated like garbage. And if you come up for them they treat you like an antisemite. Some trick. Chomsky makes an interesting observation when he tells us that Arab Jews are looked down upon in Israel. That they are what HRC would call the deplorables. But people like Netanyahu take advantage of them applying the arts of demagoguery. How perverse is all of this. I too owe much to GKC but I feel that intellectual conversion can leave a person vain and self-satisfied, and that this is the danger with GKC. The heart needs conversion and it still does!!! The poor need our love!!!
Everyone needs Jesus. Everyone needs to become Catholic. That includes our Jewish friends.
Pray for the conversion of Muslims, Jews and Protestants.
Yeah so the thing about that is that that's the thing the Jews usually say is antisemitic lol
I've read quite a bit of Chesterton. I don't view his contributions as particularly original or necessary or even particularly creative. So I see no particular reason to hold him in any high regard to begin with. With the revelations Prof. Goldstein shares, I see no reason to bother with him at all.
Wtf! I love Chesterton now!!!!
Pope Francis mentions Chesterton in "Let Us Dream." Promoting antisemitism, I guess
i love how this loving god has so many loving believers wanting other loving believers dead or ejected from where they live, almost like god is made up and people used him to justify taking real estate and slaves. whose side is he on in the middle east by the way? or is he doing his usual thing of waiting 400 years them killing off everyone.