Sir Gus the Mighty Rent's overpriced, food can be pricy or cheap depending on whether or not you cook, and if you're ok with doing a lot of shopping in either the Richmond District and/or Chinatown. Oh, and Japantown doesn't actually have good Japanese food(except for one confectioner called Benkyodo). When it comes to Coffee, Blue Bottle is overrated, Philz is excellent, and most of the smaller companies are kind of interchangeable(but still better than starbucks) Oh, and there are a lot of hipster/yoga mom restaurants that emphasize really buzzword laden ingredients, but with really sloppy execution resulting in unsatisfactory food. But, they still remain popular since they're a status symbol and hipsters have notoriously bad taste. Oh, and on occasion, one ends up picking junk off the street for personal use, because people move a lot, and it's easier to just leave stuff on the sidewalk than dispose of it properly. Oh, and criminals have pretty low standards as to what they're willing to steal/swindle. As in, random bike parts, worthless junk from a glove compartment, food from a charity food giveaway. And of course, this should be obvious, but don't walk around at night on a deserted street while looking into a smartphone.(but that's true in any major city)
@@deathpyre42 I wonder what the culture is like. I follow a bunch of developers from Silicon Valley type companies on Twitter, and a lot of them seem pretty obnoxious, especially about politics. But maybe there's a selection bias in my experience, like, maybe the nice people aren't on Twitter, and I bet there's a lot of them.
@Bwa Bwa Yoshi I get how alienating some crowds could be seen as a bad business decision. But when you have a game with one set of mechanics that works well, you get better publicity than with a game which has two sets of mechanics, one which feels like it would have worked better if the designers didn't have to focus on the second set, which is more clunky and obviously there just because the executives were afraid of "alienating certain crowds". Removing the guns seems like a good design decision, not the least of which because good design means to remove extraneous elements. Players are already trained by the games they've played to go in guns blazing; many may not try to be creative with their approaches, because they've been conditioned to accept the boring but practical "shoot guy with gun" approach as the main mechanic.
Take it from MGS. Did mgs remove guns? No. Did it discourage its use in favor of tactical stealth non lethal gameplay, yes. Maybe guns should have been harder to get by OR Made the use of guns very consequencial for Marcus to the point players would do the Stealth hacker approach
@Bwa Bwa Yoshi So, discourage the player from using guns in favor of stealthy-hacky approach. Which raises the question: why have guns in the first place? If the player is discouraged from using guns, evem though they're available, that's just deceit. Best come clean with the fact that the game is stealthy-hacky and get over it. You know, this reminds me of Mirror's Edge, a game which had first person shooting segments in it, but it's not remembered for that, and people only reference the first person shooting in mirror's edge only to say it wasn't needed, that the game is perfect just by its parkour gameplay. Shooting was only added because the suits were afraid of alienating the shooter loving crowd, even though it's pretty clear the game wasn't for the shooter lovong crowd. This is just another instance of a game wasting resources to try to pander to sone demographic that won't be interested in it to begin with.
Ubisoft have done a huge disservice to this game by marketing it as the same boring shite the first game was, I'm amazed at how fun and interesting you made it look and sound.
I agree with you. When I saw the commercials, I was already ready to hate it because the first game looked too forced. But, George actually made the game look pretty good. I'm really glad I watched this video. I'm going to pick the game up when it is 20 dollars (I do that even for games like DOOM).
Yeah, I actually wasn't sure what to expect, I liked the first but was questioning this a bit, but decided to pick it up, and am having possibly the best time with a game I've had all year, super fun, don't regret it in the slightest.
I absolutely agree. The story trailers for this game sucked ass, trying so hard to make it look as serious and grim and high stakes as the original. After seeing the actual gameplay being shown off by let's players I looked back at those trailers and screamed "what the hell are you doing, Ubisoft?! You have a mission where you steal the car from Knight Rider! Show THAT in the trailer not the big bad bad guy being all big and bad and stuff nobody gives a fuck!"
Me: Starts mission wd2 Remember don't kill . Dark me: you have been spotted use ied . Me: but super bunny hop said... . Dark me: I said blow him to shit
Yeah, but it also makes the gameplay boring. That's the whole "robbed from the experience" part, which is far more important than narrative dissonance.
R619ification2011 we, the players, shouldn't have to force the game to be good. Me not using doesn't make it go away. in fact, it makes me silly for going through all that effort to sneak and hack when all I had to do is point and click
R619ification2011 if you want to use guns, play a different game. There are a million different open world shooters. Choose one. And actually that's just it, it does make the game better because it forces players to use their hacking skills instead of it being an afterthought.
I'm amazed that they turned the perfect concept for a Teen-rated stealth-hacking game into a Mature-rated hacker-terrorist game. It's so gleefully tone deaf that it actually seems satirical.
Well, let's be honest, if going in guns blazing and blowing up stuff wasn't there, and it was just stealth, it wouldn't sell as well, they need it to be slightly GTA like to draw in more people, but they made stealth no kill run a viable option, which makes me quite happy.
Well, Square is well known for not giving "second chances" to games that don't sell the expected quantity. From her older years: Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, Xenogears... From her newer one: Kane & Lynch, Sleeping Dogs.
@@Illusionaire1 SE is run by a bunch of out of touch old fools that don't have any idea what makes a good game or what their fans want. They can't even finish their main games in adequate amounts of time. I truly have no idea how they're still a business while simultaneously being so bad at it.
The inclusion of guns is the biggest problem of a surprisingly really good game. They don't fit the tone at all considering your playing as a more immature version of Anonymous. You could kind of justify their inclusion in the first game since you are a vigilante trying to take out the criminal underworld, but in wd2 you're just a punk kid who wants to troll the corrupt. And they need to patch it to make it so the melee counts is non lethal.
Imagine finding out that some crazed Ghost in the Shell fan snuck onto the set of the new movie and just did a mass shooting because he didn't think the movie would be true to the anime. Nobody would think that guy was "cool" or had any righteous motivations behind him. And yet, you put that scenario in a video game, and people don't bat an eye. Cuz it's a video game, and _"Herpdy derpdy durr, it's not a real game unless you shoot people!"_
Agreed! I can't help but feel like WD2 is a bit of a half-measure. If they broke away from the typical, GTA-esque conventions and further embraced a non-lethal Splinter Cell/Deus Ex campaign, set in an open-world, they'd have something of a blend that most other games lack.
GiRayne no guns no fun in a game we play games to be how we know we can't be in real life but I guess there are people that have no life and lay games cus that's all they have !!! are you that person ???
GiRayne hi sorry mate did not read all your text but I have only just started playing watch dogs 2 and I have a quistion is there really no guns and shooting in this game
Kent Brockman No, that's false. It's completely up to you whether you want to kill or not. There'a a robust 3d printed weapons system in the game. Tone of weapons to pick.
TheRainySky is right it is very punishing. The second you're in someone's line of sight everyone is alerted and they gun you down in 5 seconds. I can't tell you how many times I've been spotted and some dude with a shotgun just blasts my ass across the room killing me in one shot let alone two guards with pistols shooting you on sight
Or you could have different XP for none lethal, remote lethal, and gunplay. Different behaviours would get you different followers, but you might well lose other followers if you do one too much.
Splinter Cell Blacklist has a score system that highly rewards non-lethal and non-detected playstyle. The score you get unlocks upgrades so it was a nice incentive to actually try and stealth your way through the game.
ubisoft wont make shit as deep as that, they make shooty gun bang games cause thats what their audience buys. Ironically when they decided to ruin the Splinter Cell franchise by taking away the depth and complexity of the previous games and replaced the gameplay with mediocre cover-based shooting, they actually received far less sales for that respective franchise. Ubisoft won't push any boundaries or try new ideas like they used to, their newer games mostly just blend into samey, cliche, character action, open world frameworks.
This review seems like he played the result of a company thinking they needed "hundreds of hours of gameplay" instead of actually creating quality content.
I love your reviews. You are a really good video maker person. Thanks for taking the time to make them. I hope you are getting some form of rewarding compensation. Here, have 10 karma points.
Never scene a vid or review from you before. This was outstanding. You really did a great job of not only sharing your opinion of the game but also pointing out what could have made it better. And also in a way that makes sense to the franchise. Great review man.
With all this talk about Sleeping Dogs I'd love to see you cover it sometime in the future. I still remember getting it off of Playstation Plus a few years back with zero expectations and was really surprised at how great it was.
Ubisoft definitely should have made firearms usage limited, much like in Sleeping Dogs. The same goes to taser, so that you're forced to use it wisely and have to re-stock.
Maybe you could have some enemies who it doesn't work on, ie. guards in bullet-proof vests or the weird out-of-nowhere power armour wearing dudes from the first game. That'd allow for a very natural way to modulate difficulty.
I tended to shoot weaker guards with the suppressed 1911 and take out the Heavies almost exclusively with melee in W_D 1. I know exactly what you mean!
Something they put in the game that I'm completely surprised that they never took advantage of in the main missions its the fact that theres an active sailboat system. Like you can't just press R2 and go but you actually have to align the thing to wind direction. Another thing about this game is the amount of areas you ignore in this game. There are some really cool locations in this game like Alcatraz Island. The actual building is accessible and there's some extra stuff to get there. The last thing personally for me is how much they made this world feel lived in. Even Gta V sorta had this issue where the npcs just felt like npcs and not real people but in this game the npcs actually have conversations about relevant stuff in their area. People don't just hang out in the street and alleyways but really do stuff like have parties outside and hang out. Buildings are mostly accessible too. This game is a big step towards better world design in open world games.
I got the game quite recently (February of 2018) and I got to admit, the online has really polished up. The way it weaves so elegantly into and out of online events without stuttering is quite impressive. And a lot of the online events are actually fun. Wether it be you’re hacking someone or they’re hacking you, it becomes a fun game of cat and mouse.
How come all the hate crimes post election have been coming from Trump voters, hmm? Or do you just hate facts? (in before uses that one instance against a Trump supporter versus the dozens from them)
AKN Concept I live in UK, and I've only seen Trump supporters attacking others since rallies and after the election committing hate crimes and violence.
That part where you said the game would be better if it punished the player for using lethal options actually reminds me that the first game KINDA had something like that, but only to a small extent. Aiden had a "reputation" meter that, when at a high enough point, would prevent civilians from calling the cops on Aiden as they knew that while Aiden's a vigilante they still ultimately saw him as the "Good guy" and that whomever he was shooting or beating up was some real scum (like the human trafficking ring during that one part). However the meter would decrease should Aiden harm civilians and/or kill police, so it did still encourage players to not get TOO gungho. But yeah as some people have said it feels like it makes more sense to play completely non-lethally with Marcus as, unlike Aiden, Marcus isn't a vigilante anti-hero out for revenge. He's a hacktivist trying to bring people over to Deadsec's cause and expose corruption.
I agree with too much weapons thing they would made a minimal arsenal or simply make it with electricity that wouldn't kill enemies but shock them, in my opinion that would be a cool idea but I don't think some will agree
I just love how T-bone went full Johnny Depp. I love this game. it reminds me of how cool I felt when I though I was a badass on the internet. the right amount of cringe and happiness when you look back on it.
That was my biggest problem with the first game too. I wanted to be a cool stealthy hacker guy yet the game wants to send me on a mission to BLOW UP AN ARMORED TRUCK. The ludonarrative dissonance is too jarring even when the character is more "edgy" like in the first game. I just check out of games when the story and characters feel one way and the gameplay feels completely detached from those aspects of the game. I guess it's a consequence of games striving to be more realistic. I know a lot of people don't give two shits about this kind of thing and for them, gameplay is king. If it's fun, it's fun. But for me, I'd rather have fun AND be engaged in the experience as a whole.
George, you know when I first started watching you, I thought that you had some valid opinions but i thought most were derived from other journalists in your field. I am here to say how wrong I was about you. You are one of the few amazing game journalists. Your humor, research, and opinions are excellent. As time goes on, I see how predictive some of your opinions are and how honest you are about your feelings toward the game. I also love how you put the WatchDogs 2 OST music in the background but you don't dedicate a whole section of the video to it. Bravo George, you are one of the few true journalists of the industry.
I love this game. I remember one of those mission when you had to bring that robot from haum. I just sat in front of that game where that truck was. I think it was some kind a of small pier area maybe jsut the one in 09:01. And while I was sitting there I was just hacking things like that moveable platform and forklift while driving the truck out of the area to me where I sat next to that gate xD I was using that forklift for more precision turning for that truck but i manage to get that truck with that mission objective(robot) to me without eeven going in to that guarded area! And then I just drove away. Everyone can say whatever, but thats what I called freedom in video game! Thats why I like this game and its character personalities more than GTAV.
WD 2 pretty much killed GTA V to me. Yeah, WD 2 is full of problems... but omg... What do you even do on GTA V compared to WD 2? WD has much more gameplay freedom, much more things to do, a way more alive city. I can stay stationary, and hack so many shit and create a caos, in many, many diferent ways. I love the concept of WD Legions, and I hope it is amazing. But I also hope Ubi still makes WD 3.
Okey so I watched this review while high and it was amazing. I just GOT what George said so vividly and felt the intent behind his words and I think that removing guns from the game is a wonderful idea I suggest everyone in a legal country to try watching this while high and you will get so much more enjoyment from his wonderful analysis.
Kind of wanted to check this out for the setting but was unsure... Now I think I'll grab it and take your advice with the main story and stealth! Thanks mate. High quality review.
Sleeping Dogs was a great game. I love how they disincentivised guns & made them a much more serious thing. Watch Dogs made the mistake of having a serious gritty story in a silly world where Aiden takes a break from his revenge fueled romp to play AR games & get into drinking competitions. It seems Watch Dogs 2 makes the mistake of having a silly self-unaware story with deadly stakes for no real reason. I think George's ideas about rewarding stealth & punishing lethality. Even games like Red Dead Redemption had a system where you could become an outlaw & get a negative reputation. LA Noire had no business being an open world game but it took away stars if you did damage to the city on a mission. Sleeping Dogs did it much better, cop missions required you to go buy the book & rewarded or punished the player accordingly with a skill tree system. I think the Watch Dogs franchise could really benefit from anything that stops it from being just another GTA clone.
With guns and lethal violence the game kinda became a terrorist simulator. The activist characters would have been way more likeable if you couldn't kill people as one of them. Them not giving a shit about it either and being so happy and youthful actually made the game look worse. But it's still a fun game, I love the SF hipster atmosphere.
Easily the best review of this game out there. Your criticisms are so logical and insightful. This game did actually have a great potential, and it would have only taken a few minor tweaks to help it get there.
Funny, wasn't the original concept of Watch Dogs 1 was for Aiden Pierce to only have a pistol and rely more on his hacking skill instead? Looks like George had the right idea. Hmm.
Great review as always, I didn't think of it before but when you said that the game could've gone full stealth something clicked. It would make perfect sense in the universe they built over the course of the first two titles.
One thing common among all reviews of the game is the sentiment that - it's more fun to hack and be stealthy, AND guns and killing don't fit with the story at all. In my opinion, those are two great reasons to remove guns and lethal actions from the game, similarly to how Mirror's Edge 2 opted to do the same, and I personally don't feel this would impact sales as much as people might think. It's such a shame that Ubisoft have done a great job with the new direction of the game but have chosen to stubbornly play it safe in this one area - a classic case of being "so close" to getting it right.
Interesting review. Especially the part in which you say we should concentrate on the main mission while another youtuber said he only enjoyed the side missions
Assains creed and Watch dogs were meant to be stealth games But hey, lets make Ezio super badass in melee combat and make cheesy teenagers gun experts God damm you Ubisoft -_-
I think the addition of kill chains is great! But I also think that the first Assassin's Creed probably emphasis (more or less) real combat the best, as it definitely is the hardest (out of the games I've played at least.) Although this is also a reason due to lack of combat/parkour skills which both would really improve by each game. This made stealth more of a must in the first game though since it could be pretty hard killing enemies at times (those damn Knights, man!)
what exactly is so great about being able to instantly kill any amount of enemies near you with a single button after one successful counter? in my opinion all it did was to turn the guards into low or rather non-existant threats which made me just run away from fights more often than actually fighting just because of how boring they became.
Because it gives the player an option to sometimes (doing it ALL the time ain't fun) deal with multiples enemies in a very fast and effective way, especially if in dire need. You're supposed to play as some badass master in fighting, right? Giving the character the ability to quickly expose of more than one enemy in these quick yet devastating attacks, all in one big combo, not only makes fighting more fun because it gives you yet another choice for how to deal with your enemies but can also save your life. That's what I think.
What irked me most in AC2 was the scene where Ezio got the "trademark" assassin suit. In AC1 it was already established that assassins wear long white robes so they can pass as the scholars who wear the same thing. Altair's suit was not a uniform, it was a practical outfit which enabled assassins to hide in plain sight. What's Ezio wearing? A long white robe. Who else dresses like that in the entire game? No. Fucking. Body. Not even other assassins. He sticks out like a sore thumb, completely throwing out the window the reason assassins dressed up in white robes.
@@theyellowmeteor back in Altair times an Assassin wearing a hood and long white sticking out robes was funny but it tried to make sense. After that its just a trademark (all the way till they gave em a tophat)
Your suggestions are by far the best I've heard for the game. They make sense, they're smart and they add new layers of player choice that cater to an audience that has taste instead of people who play ubisoft games because they're ubisoft. And yes they exist. I've met a few.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I had more fun with Watch Dogs 2 than I did with GTAV. Why? Purely because of the chaos I can create with the gang wars. Back in GTA3 with the pedestrian riots w/weapons was a blast and a hell of a lot of fun. GTAV while they have fun characters and decent story telling, its actual gameplay is too grounded. Not enough of the chaotic element. WD2 brought back the feelings I had with GTA3
Yeah, the whole massacre thing not making any sense inside the game's story and tone is enough for me to not like this game. I don't think the removal of lethal weapons is just a "what if" scenario for potentially improving the game; I think it would have been essential to the game, to make it stand out and not feel like another shooter, even if you can decide to play non-lethally. It's so transparent how the only reason there are weapons in the game is because of the number-crunching telling the suits that the game will sell more if you can watch people's brains splattering in a red mist. It's almost like the decision to have the player kill people is just a token feature they don't even need to question. It's like a check-mark to tick off, without the need to question if it's a feature you need or which makes sense in the story you're trying to tell. It's just so ridiculous to me the casualness with which the teen goofy hacktivists mow down security guards just doing their jobs and then resume the memes and lighthearted comradery in the next scene. It just doesn't fit the game and it takes me out of the immersion. It's just like in Uncharted. He's murdering literally hundreds of "baddies" with no emotional impact on him and making lighthearted jokes afterwards.
Some very interesting things to take away from this review. I have no intention of playing this, but it's good to know that this one takes some much stronger steps towards the promise of those old trailers. Great as always George, gg
two very important questions: 1) Do the police finally police boats? 2) Are the camera still only controlled by player or are they like the camera on Deus Ex. If its still the first they are render completely useless and break the immersion and any challenge of trying to play it stealthy. I have to say watching footage it looks still as rough and broken as the first game
You had a very good point with the non-guns thing. If one game can benefit from that is this one. I hope they hear you out. Besides, it would represent perfectly the whole young-hackers-out-smarting-everyone thing. If it does happen, it´d come to show how hard it is and how long it takes to figure out a new game concept.
They shouldn't remove the guns. Should just make the stealth/non-lethal option more robust for people as the same sentiment as you. Unless the overwhelming majority agrees, of course.
That's why he said Ubisoft had to take the "safe" approach, that being keeping guns for the player in the game. It would make much more sense and fit their main characters more if they did not use guns though. Guns are not always necessary to give power or control to the player, it is just a lazy thing that every AAA developers feels obligated to do because all the other games with guns are selling well.
"Unless the overwhelming majority agrees, of course." That doesn't sound like a very creative or interesting way to design a game. If the shooting doesn't benefit what the game is trying to do and is there to simply check boxes, I think it should be cut out.
I understand your sentiments, but it isn't just to cut boxes *if* most people want guns in the game. It's selfish to remove what most like, just for the artistic vision of a few, or the developers. It's about what the consumer wants, especially in this case.
Caustic_ So should every game be made to perfectly fit their respective demographic? Because in that case there wouldn't be many games... or innovation. Imagine if you wrote a book like that, "Hmmm... what do the majority of people want to hear?". Games shouldn't be treated as simple products made to perfectly satisfy consumers, they should be viewed as an expression of artistic vision (even the most generic AAA action games). And when it comes to art, most consumers don't know what they want (you can't just throw all the game mechanics that people like into a pot and make something amazing).
Caustic_ If games are only made with what the current statistics say is the majority, companies will never be able to get new players into their demo-graphic. Innovation is a part of making games, and it is not being selfish to want to try new things, in fact, it is more selfish, imo, to only take the safe approach when it comes to making games AAA or not. So you should really say that it would be risky for the company financially to take out guns for the player, it is not selfish, it is risky and they don't want to take risks and would rather take the safest approach to their games.
I'm so pleasantly surprised that this game is actually good and not so serious as. Seems like a lot of sequels learned a lot from their predecesors: Hitman by tropping the AAA shtik and focusing on replaying, Doom 4 with incredible gunplay, infinite warfare with cooler settings, titanfall 2 with a great sp, Dishonored with more non lethal options, Far Cry Primal with more focused gameplay, and now this. As awful as this year has been, at least it's been pretty good for games.
Nope its an in joke, on the podcast the SBF were talking about a comment that was like "THis video fucking sucks, im unsubbing from SuperBunnyHop" (or something to that nature) and they made a bit out of it.
11:35 yeah but taking followers away from you would hint to a "wrong" way of playing the game, and that doesn't go to well with a openworld playground that they are going with. perhaps followers should be like notoriety and play differently as exp, just to give players more options as to how play their games, even if I think going with the stealth route is way more fun. But hey man I think variety is cool
Yeah like you could have the innocent "script kiddies, pranksters" demographic of followers, or the "Bestgore" demographic, with the amount of each follower type dictating how the in-game world views Dedsec. That'd be sick.
And each type of followers gets you different interactions with factions, some are more hostile and stuff, or give you different abilities, I dunno man Vidya Gayms
Ditching guns sounds like a good idea, but as you said, it's too radical for a AAA Ubisoft mass market sandbox. However, something better may be having two types of PR with separate EXP bars. One for lethality/destruction and one for more crafty and less dangerous solutions - The people that want to kill and maim can have that option, they'll still have fun and be rewarded, but there's a subtle nudge to gain levels in a less destructive manner with that other EXP bar sitting empty.
Holy shit, 5:06 was the Bush Man I got a jump scare from him when I was a little kid on Fisherman's Wharf. I'm glad he's sort of immortalized in a video game.
Removing guns is a brilliant idea, but losing followers over bad actions ... absolutely genius! Almost like the vigilante system in the first game, which i loved so much!
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I'm actually from San Francisco. There are people that talk like those characters, except they're even more pretentious. (And far less useful)
I've always wondered how it is to live there
Sir Gus the Mighty Rent's overpriced, food can be pricy or cheap depending on whether or not you cook, and if you're ok with doing a lot of shopping in either the Richmond District and/or Chinatown. Oh, and Japantown doesn't actually have good Japanese food(except for one confectioner called Benkyodo). When it comes to Coffee, Blue Bottle is overrated, Philz is excellent, and most of the smaller companies are kind of interchangeable(but still better than starbucks) Oh, and there are a lot of hipster/yoga mom restaurants that emphasize really buzzword laden ingredients, but with really sloppy execution resulting in unsatisfactory food. But, they still remain popular since they're a status symbol and hipsters have notoriously bad taste. Oh, and on occasion, one ends up picking junk off the street for personal use, because people move a lot, and it's easier to just leave stuff on the sidewalk than dispose of it properly. Oh, and criminals have pretty low standards as to what they're willing to steal/swindle. As in, random bike parts, worthless junk from a glove compartment, food from a charity food giveaway. And of course, this should be obvious, but don't walk around at night on a deserted street while looking into a smartphone.(but that's true in any major city)
Go Oakland it not as bad as people think
@@deathpyre42 I wonder what the culture is like. I follow a bunch of developers from Silicon Valley type companies on Twitter, and a lot of them seem pretty obnoxious, especially about politics. But maybe there's a selection bias in my experience, like, maybe the nice people aren't on Twitter, and I bet there's a lot of them.
Generally it's stuck up and obnoxious while sober, total lech while drunk, and always looking for the next chance to start drinking.
I 100% agree on removing guns. The action movie shooting is in total conflict with the smooth operator hacker fantasy.
That'd be a let down for people who like to go guns blazing though. Maybe an option in the settings menu to turn on "vigilante mode".
@@crotchet6439 They can play any other gun games, there is hundreds.
@Bwa Bwa Yoshi I get how alienating some crowds could be seen as a bad business decision. But when you have a game with one set of mechanics that works well, you get better publicity than with a game which has two sets of mechanics, one which feels like it would have worked better if the designers didn't have to focus on the second set, which is more clunky and obviously there just because the executives were afraid of "alienating certain crowds".
Removing the guns seems like a good design decision, not the least of which because good design means to remove extraneous elements. Players are already trained by the games they've played to go in guns blazing; many may not try to be creative with their approaches, because they've been conditioned to accept the boring but practical "shoot guy with gun" approach as the main mechanic.
Take it from MGS. Did mgs remove guns? No.
Did it discourage its use in favor of tactical stealth non lethal gameplay, yes.
Maybe guns should have been harder to get by
OR
Made the use of guns very consequencial for Marcus to the point players would do the Stealth hacker approach
@Bwa Bwa Yoshi So, discourage the player from using guns in favor of stealthy-hacky approach.
Which raises the question: why have guns in the first place? If the player is discouraged from using guns, evem though they're available, that's just deceit. Best come clean with the fact that the game is stealthy-hacky and get over it.
You know, this reminds me of Mirror's Edge, a game which had first person shooting segments in it, but it's not remembered for that, and people only reference the first person shooting in mirror's edge only to say it wasn't needed, that the game is perfect just by its parkour gameplay.
Shooting was only added because the suits were afraid of alienating the shooter loving crowd, even though it's pretty clear the game wasn't for the shooter lovong crowd.
This is just another instance of a game wasting resources to try to pander to sone demographic that won't be interested in it to begin with.
Ubisoft have done a huge disservice to this game by marketing it as the same boring shite the first game was, I'm amazed at how fun and interesting you made it look and sound.
I agree with you. When I saw the commercials, I was already ready to hate it because the first game looked too forced. But, George actually made the game look pretty good. I'm really glad I watched this video. I'm going to pick the game up when it is 20 dollars (I do that even for games like DOOM).
Yeah, same. It looks to be a fun game for a lower price and I guess we can expect a discount or sale soon since it's Ubisoft
Yeah, I actually wasn't sure what to expect, I liked the first but was questioning this a bit, but decided to pick it up, and am having possibly the best time with a game I've had all year, super fun, don't regret it in the slightest.
Agreed. The marketing for this has been downright terrible. It feels like a confused gta clone so despratly trying to be cool.
I absolutely agree. The story trailers for this game sucked ass, trying so hard to make it look as serious and grim and high stakes as the original. After seeing the actual gameplay being shown off by let's players I looked back at those trailers and screamed "what the hell are you doing, Ubisoft?! You have a mission where you steal the car from Knight Rider! Show THAT in the trailer not the big bad bad guy being all big and bad and stuff nobody gives a fuck!"
Me: Starts mission wd2
Remember don't kill
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Dark me: you have been spotted use ied
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Me: but super bunny hop said...
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Dark me: I said blow him to shit
This is similar to the feeling I get while I'm playing dishonored 2
do it for the bunny hop, heero
3edgy5me
same!!!!
Heero Abdulai same kill kill kill
Dead on. The game didn't need guns, I found it robbed from the experience.
Yeah, but it also makes the gameplay boring. That's the whole "robbed from the experience" part, which is far more important than narrative dissonance.
How does it rob from the experience? Just don't use them lmao
R619ification2011 we, the players, shouldn't have to force the game to be good. Me not using doesn't make it go away. in fact, it makes me silly for going through all that effort to sneak and hack when all I had to do is point and click
jnjjules there's players who do want to use guns. it's a choice, you're not making the game better by removing that choice
R619ification2011 if you want to use guns, play a different game. There are a million different open world shooters. Choose one. And actually that's just it, it does make the game better because it forces players to use their hacking skills instead of it being an afterthought.
I'm amazed that they turned the perfect concept for a Teen-rated stealth-hacking game into a Mature-rated hacker-terrorist game. It's so gleefully tone deaf that it actually seems satirical.
the other way around?
King Xerocole Wasn't that the point ?
Well, let's be honest, if going in guns blazing and blowing up stuff wasn't there, and it was just stealth, it wouldn't sell as well, they need it to be slightly GTA like to draw in more people, but they made stealth no kill run a viable option, which makes me quite happy.
darkSYNced you're probably right.
darkSYNced it sucks to see art bogged down to boost profits. Maybe some hactavists should fuck with Ubisoft to set that straight.
I didn't know sleeping dogs was considered a failure and killed off.
I feel a little more empty now
Leandro Gabriel Ranno It wasn't. Unless you're the physical embodiment of Square Enix.
Well, Square is well known for not giving "second chances" to games that don't sell the expected quantity.
From her older years: Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, Xenogears... From her newer one: Kane & Lynch, Sleeping Dogs.
Yeah, Square Enix thinks that niche PC ips or whole new ones will sell as fast as video game staples like Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts.
@@Illusionaire1 SE is run by a bunch of out of touch old fools that don't have any idea what makes a good game or what their fans want. They can't even finish their main games in adequate amounts of time. I truly have no idea how they're still a business while simultaneously being so bad at it.
@@MakoHazard giga hardcore fans, i had a friend who wouldnt stop speaking about FFVII remake 1 year prior to release and 5months after release.
The inclusion of guns is the biggest problem of a surprisingly really good game. They don't fit the tone at all considering your playing as a more immature version of Anonymous. You could kind of justify their inclusion in the first game since you are a vigilante trying to take out the criminal underworld, but in wd2 you're just a punk kid who wants to troll the corrupt. And they need to patch it to make it so the melee counts is non lethal.
Basically the first game is Person of interest and this is Mr. Robot
Killing all their guards and their family and then petting their dog is the //ultimate prank// though, broh
+Redem10 Not in terms of narrative, I hope...
I meant more in term of inspiration for the basic concept
Imagine finding out that some crazed Ghost in the Shell fan snuck onto the set of the new movie and just did a mass shooting because he didn't think the movie would be true to the anime. Nobody would think that guy was "cool" or had any righteous motivations behind him. And yet, you put that scenario in a video game, and people don't bat an eye. Cuz it's a video game, and _"Herpdy derpdy durr, it's not a real game unless you shoot people!"_
No noodle shot? Who are you and what have you done to George?
Guess scissor lifts are the new hotness now.
George has been hacked
He didn't say he loves us, either.
Leonid Darovskikh Well I still love him
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I'm watching this while wearing your socks. I just wanted you to know that George.
is it comfy?
You know it. I can feel the warmth of George all over me.
Aloysius Cervera the warmth of a George who isn't living on the streets again
You know if somebody doesnt know he sells socks, this sound incredible creepy...
Oh they know... I'd say they're depending on it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Agreed! I can't help but feel like WD2 is a bit of a half-measure. If they broke away from the typical, GTA-esque conventions and further embraced a non-lethal Splinter Cell/Deus Ex campaign, set in an open-world, they'd have something of a blend that most other games lack.
Ben Brodie They should just create spin off that isn't open world at all and instead huge levels
Ben Brodie WD2 feels more liie Tony Hawks Pro Skater and Bully than Wolfestein The New Order and Hatred
About your no guns idea, the original game was going to only give Aiden Pierce a pistol so what you want was really close.
Great. The "No guns" suggestion is so good it ruined the game for me now.
Syrus7sk luckily you don't have to use guns at all ;)
GiRayne no guns no fun in a game
we play games to be how we know we can't be in real life but I guess there are people that have no life and lay games cus that's all they have !!! are you that person ???
GiRayne hi sorry mate did not read all your text but I have only just started playing watch dogs 2 and I have a quistion is there really no guns and shooting in this game
Kent Brockman No, that's false. It's completely up to you whether you want to kill or not.
There'a a robust 3d printed weapons system in the game. Tone of weapons to pick.
GiRayne ohh sorry I did not know you were so senstaive I'm sorry
they should add a "Realistic" difficulty involving those changes you described
i'm giova You can up the difficulty mode
Denzel Romero yeah but so far from what I've seen it's not the one shot kill of the first game....
ÃiÐen_ no I have no idea why but Marcus can take 20 head shots before collapsing maybe it's on an easy difficulty
pak _ tra the game does have a realistic difficulty setting and its very punishing.
TheRainySky is right it is very punishing. The second you're in someone's line of sight everyone is alerted and they gun you down in 5 seconds. I can't tell you how many times I've been spotted and some dude with a shotgun just blasts my ass across the room killing me in one shot let alone two guards with pistols shooting you on sight
Or you could have different XP for none lethal, remote lethal, and gunplay. Different behaviours would get you different followers, but you might well lose other followers if you do one too much.
JackIntheBoxGaming It could have been played around with but the devs
Played it safe
Splinter Cell Blacklist has a score system that highly rewards non-lethal and non-detected playstyle. The score you get unlocks upgrades so it was a nice incentive to actually try and stealth your way through the game.
ubisoft wont make shit as deep as that, they make shooty gun bang games cause thats what their audience buys. Ironically when they decided to ruin the Splinter Cell franchise by taking away the depth and complexity of the previous games and replaced the gameplay with mediocre cover-based shooting, they actually received far less sales for that respective franchise. Ubisoft won't push any boundaries or try new ideas like they used to, their newer games mostly just blend into samey, cliche, character action, open world frameworks.
holy crap... that actuallly makes much more sense than what George said
Krank has a point, as usual.
Every Ubisoft game looks boring, I miss the old Ubisoft
Ghey Vulture what about rayman
Rayman Legends was awesome but that was years ago.
What we really need is a new 3D Rayman.
Ezowolf nah the original Rayman games were years ago, 4 years doensn't feel too long in my personal opinion.
*doesn't*
i finished the game, and its amazing i absolutely love it
That's actually an interesting point. Removing weapons from the player, will stop them and actually make them think about enemy encounters.
without guns? are you suggesting AAA game company taking a risk? that won't happen
Whew, that's some intense ludonarrative dissonance. All that gunplay when the story doesn't really warrant it?
This game represents every aspect of modern internet culture that I hate so much
Looks like that's the point
FUCKING NORMIES.
Damn right, they're trying to appeal to the hipster SJWs marxist liberals from these days. It'a fucking obnoxious.
I think you need more buzzwords in your comment.
+Snappycakes Thanks, New Mombasa Superintendent!
Thanks for reminding me how awesome Sleeping Dogs was. And saddened we couldn't get a proper sequel.
how bad ass would it be if they made these games stealth based and they ended up being super mgs 5 like?
Gutsieme That's what ghost recon Wildlands is looking like
Denzel Romero awesome, for sure gonna need to check it out! thanks!
MGSV really sets the stone for open world stealth game, didn't it?
TheRibbonRed The open world was empty and full of completely empty areas with nothing to explore.
Denzel Romero but if we had that stealth in a city with hackables....?
your ideas for this game, sound soo fucking good, i love the xp meter ticking down thing
but it does not make much sense. xp points means you are learning something, so you cannot forget them if you act badly.
Y-you... you didn't said that you love me.
I love you :3
Doesn't he only do that when he's about to say something potentially controversial?
sageoftruth Mostly, yes.
i love you baby
Old Gregg?
This review seems like he played the result of a company thinking they needed "hundreds of hours of gameplay" instead of actually creating quality content.
This was a fantastic review. I've checked out three different reviews and all have their merits but differ widely in the end summation.
I love your reviews. You are a really good video maker person. Thanks for taking the time to make them. I hope you are getting some form of rewarding compensation. Here, have 10 karma points.
"Video maker person". Nice one! I will use this instead of "content creator" from now on. I hope you don't mind!
It's all yours man! However, come to think of it, content creator does have a nice ring to it.
If you don't review The Last Guardian I will shit my ass.
So... just regular shitting then?
Alex Smith is that game even out? Swear it got pushed back another century lol
another le open wurld trash
null Is TGL actually open world?
Is that a threat?
There is a noodle shaped hole in my heart.
there's a hand around my dick
Fill this epic hole in my hea- Oh wait wrong TH-camr.
Never scene a vid or review from you before. This was outstanding. You really did a great job of not only sharing your opinion of the game but also pointing out what could have made it better. And also in a way that makes sense to the franchise. Great review man.
With all this talk about Sleeping Dogs I'd love to see you cover it sometime in the future. I still remember getting it off of Playstation Plus a few years back with zero expectations and was really surprised at how great it was.
Ubisoft definitely should have made firearms usage limited, much like in Sleeping Dogs. The same goes to taser, so that you're forced to use it wisely and have to re-stock.
Maybe you could have some enemies who it doesn't work on, ie. guards in bullet-proof vests or the weird out-of-nowhere power armour wearing dudes from the first game. That'd allow for a very natural way to modulate difficulty.
I tended to shoot weaker guards with the suppressed 1911 and take out the Heavies almost exclusively with melee in W_D 1. I know exactly what you mean!
Someone hacked this video and removed the noodle shot.
Something they put in the game that I'm completely surprised that they never took advantage of in the main missions its the fact that theres an active sailboat system. Like you can't just press R2 and go but you actually have to align the thing to wind direction. Another thing about this game is the amount of areas you ignore in this game. There are some really cool locations in this game like Alcatraz Island. The actual building is accessible and there's some extra stuff to get there. The last thing personally for me is how much they made this world feel lived in. Even Gta V sorta had this issue where the npcs just felt like npcs and not real people but in this game the npcs actually have conversations about relevant stuff in their area. People don't just hang out in the street and alleyways but really do stuff like have parties outside and hang out. Buildings are mostly accessible too. This game is a big step towards better world design in open world games.
So they need to take out the guns from WD and release Blood Dragon 2 to pick up the murder count. :D
everytime someone mentions blood dragon, my cock gets super erect
Is that an arrow in your knee, or are you just happy to see me?
I got the game quite recently (February of 2018) and I got to admit, the online has really polished up. The way it weaves so elegantly into and out of online events without stuttering is quite impressive. And a lot of the online events are actually fun. Wether it be you’re hacking someone or they’re hacking you, it becomes a fun game of cat and mouse.
Just replace the guns with noodles already.
are you going to noodle me this week george
Sounds like they should've went the jet set radio route with this game when it comes to violence the story already sounds like jet set radio
Really love this review. I see you've slowed down in posting videos, but I'd really enjoy hearing your take on Legion eventually.
I honestly liked the original's tone more, however gritty it might have been
You are doing the lords work here George. Would have never looked at this game twice before, but now I am thinking ill give it a shot.
Killing the personal at a movie set of a flick they don't like?
Sure sounds like an accurately realized representation of internet crusaders to me.
sounds like anti Trump protestors
How come all the hate crimes post election have been coming from Trump voters, hmm? Or do you just hate facts? (in before uses that one instance against a Trump supporter versus the dozens from them)
Messofanego
eh ? its the Hillary supporters that have been rampaging lol, and i live in Europe, its all over the news
AKN Concept I live in UK, and I've only seen Trump supporters attacking others since rallies and after the election committing hate crimes and violence.
Messofanego
lots of violence at trump rallies alright, but committed by leftist agitators
wow Jim and you praised the game. A good ubisoft open world. What a time to be alive.
That part where you said the game would be better if it punished the player for using lethal options actually reminds me that the first game KINDA had something like that, but only to a small extent. Aiden had a "reputation" meter that, when at a high enough point, would prevent civilians from calling the cops on Aiden as they knew that while Aiden's a vigilante they still ultimately saw him as the "Good guy" and that whomever he was shooting or beating up was some real scum (like the human trafficking ring during that one part). However the meter would decrease should Aiden harm civilians and/or kill police, so it did still encourage players to not get TOO gungho.
But yeah as some people have said it feels like it makes more sense to play completely non-lethally with Marcus as, unlike Aiden, Marcus isn't a vigilante anti-hero out for revenge. He's a hacktivist trying to bring people over to Deadsec's cause and expose corruption.
I agree with too much weapons thing they would made a minimal arsenal or simply make it with electricity that wouldn't kill enemies but shock them, in my opinion that would be a cool idea but I don't think some will agree
Albertus gaming/reviews There is a non lethal grenade launcher in the game. Not sure how are missing this
I have an important question. Can you stack one scissor-lift onto another scissor-lift and lift them both?
I want a scissor lift stack that lets me hack GOD
GOD?!
Phantom Cooper scissor lifts are my fetish
I need scissors! 61!
Saw a picture from somebody who did it on Reddit today.
I just love how T-bone went full Johnny Depp. I love this game. it reminds me of how cool I felt when I though I was a badass on the internet. the right amount of cringe and happiness when you look back on it.
Wait we're never getting a Sleeping Dogs sequel, fuck Square Enix, that's the most fun open world game I've ever played
A game about memes that shoves social justice down your throat (set in San Francisco no less). Where did I put that drain cleaner?
"I hate fun and trying new things and everything MUST be part of my us or them internet dichotomy"
you sound fun at parties
rptheory Name a single aspect of this game that is fun.
+DrearierSpider1 Do it you won't.
Vergilus I don't think your sister would appreciate that, Verg.
It's a Hipster Em Up
Man, this consistent upload cycle is great. Keep it up
I just wish we could have masks and not just bandanas like wrench have.
I expected a straight foward review criticising its flaws, but instead you showed us something different unexpected, great. Thank you!
I think another way they could have punished guns was to make the 3d printed guns shitty, like in real life.
Make them degrade super quickly.
i gotta admit, i think your intro is my favorite one of all my subscriptions :)
great video as well
That was my biggest problem with the first game too. I wanted to be a cool stealthy hacker guy yet the game wants to send me on a mission to BLOW UP AN ARMORED TRUCK. The ludonarrative dissonance is too jarring even when the character is more "edgy" like in the first game. I just check out of games when the story and characters feel one way and the gameplay feels completely detached from those aspects of the game. I guess it's a consequence of games striving to be more realistic. I know a lot of people don't give two shits about this kind of thing and for them, gameplay is king. If it's fun, it's fun. But for me, I'd rather have fun AND be engaged in the experience as a whole.
George, you know when I first started watching you, I thought that you had some valid opinions but i thought most were derived from other journalists in your field. I am here to say how wrong I was about you. You are one of the few amazing game journalists. Your humor, research, and opinions are excellent. As time goes on, I see how predictive some of your opinions are and how honest you are about your feelings toward the game. I also love how you put the WatchDogs 2 OST music in the background but you don't dedicate a whole section of the video to it. Bravo George, you are one of the few true journalists of the industry.
I love this game. I remember one of those mission when you had to bring that robot from haum. I just sat in front of that game where that truck was. I think it was some kind a of small pier area maybe jsut the one in 09:01. And while I was sitting there I was just hacking things like that moveable platform and forklift while driving the truck out of the area to me where I sat next to that gate xD I was using that forklift for more precision turning for that truck but i manage to get that truck with that mission objective(robot) to me without eeven going in to that guarded area! And then I just drove away. Everyone can say whatever, but thats what I called freedom in video game! Thats why I like this game and its character personalities more than GTAV.
WD 2 pretty much killed GTA V to me. Yeah, WD 2 is full of problems... but omg... What do you even do on GTA V compared to WD 2? WD has much more gameplay freedom, much more things to do, a way more alive city.
I can stay stationary, and hack so many shit and create a caos, in many, many diferent ways.
I love the concept of WD Legions, and I hope it is amazing. But I also hope Ubi still makes WD 3.
MemoriesLP Idk man. GTA V is so different though. Way more replayable for me. Also the story from gta V is better then WD2.
Okey so I watched this review while high and it was amazing.
I just GOT what George said so vividly and felt the intent behind his words and I think that removing guns from the game is a wonderful idea I suggest everyone in a legal country to try watching this while high and you will get so much more enjoyment from his wonderful analysis.
This trash gets a shitty sequel but Sleeping Dogs gets shafted?
Kind of wanted to check this out for the setting but was unsure... Now I think I'll grab it and take your advice with the main story and stealth! Thanks mate. High quality review.
Sleeping Dogs was a great game. I love how they disincentivised guns & made them a much more serious thing.
Watch Dogs made the mistake of having a serious gritty story in a silly world where Aiden takes a break from his revenge fueled romp to play AR games & get into drinking competitions. It seems Watch Dogs 2 makes the mistake of having a silly self-unaware story with deadly stakes for no real reason.
I think George's ideas about rewarding stealth & punishing lethality. Even games like Red Dead Redemption had a system where you could become an outlaw & get a negative reputation. LA Noire had no business being an open world game but it took away stars if you did damage to the city on a mission. Sleeping Dogs did it much better, cop missions required you to go buy the book & rewarded or punished the player accordingly with a skill tree system. I think the Watch Dogs franchise could really benefit from anything that stops it from being just another GTA clone.
I can't believe I've never seen this channel before! An excellent review Super Bunnyhop! You may have just gained a sub. Keep it up :)
With guns and lethal violence the game kinda became a terrorist simulator. The activist characters would have been way more likeable if you couldn't kill people as one of them. Them not giving a shit about it either and being so happy and youthful actually made the game look worse. But it's still a fun game, I love the SF hipster atmosphere.
Easily the best review of this game out there. Your criticisms are so logical and insightful. This game did actually have a great potential, and it would have only taken a few minor tweaks to help it get there.
Is there any actual dogs though?
Elijah Pw YES YOU CAN PET THEM THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES AS WELL
Yes. Finally you can... Watch Dogs
Meanwhile, there are still no sleeping dogs in Sleeping Dogs. D:
+Mark Koetsier
the game was named "True Crime : Hong Kong" and they changed its name to Sleeping Dogs
Ou my God i was HOPING you would do the exact thing you did in the very start of the review ! Wow, they actualy figured it out !
Funny, wasn't the original concept of Watch Dogs 1 was for Aiden Pierce to only have a pistol and rely more on his hacking skill instead?
Looks like George had the right idea. Hmm.
Great review as always, I didn't think of it before but when you said that the game could've gone full stealth something clicked. It would make perfect sense in the universe they built over the course of the first two titles.
Okay, where were the noodles hidden THIS time?
One thing common among all reviews of the game is the sentiment that - it's more fun to hack and be stealthy, AND guns and killing don't fit with the story at all.
In my opinion, those are two great reasons to remove guns and lethal actions from the game, similarly to how Mirror's Edge 2 opted to do the same, and I personally don't feel this would impact sales as much as people might think. It's such a shame that Ubisoft have done a great job with the new direction of the game but have chosen to stubbornly play it safe in this one area - a classic case of being "so close" to getting it right.
Imagine if they took away the gun/kill gameplay....imagine the rage.
Interesting review. Especially the part in which you say we should concentrate on the main mission while another youtuber said he only enjoyed the side missions
Assains creed and Watch dogs were meant to be stealth games
But hey, lets make Ezio super badass in melee combat and make cheesy teenagers gun experts
God damm you Ubisoft -_-
I think the addition of kill chains is great! But I also think that the first Assassin's Creed probably emphasis (more or less) real combat the best, as it definitely is the hardest (out of the games I've played at least.) Although this is also a reason due to lack of combat/parkour skills which both would really improve by each game. This made stealth more of a must in the first game though since it could be pretty hard killing enemies at times (those damn Knights, man!)
what exactly is so great about being able to instantly kill any amount of enemies near you with a single button after one successful counter?
in my opinion all it did was to turn the guards into low or rather non-existant threats which made me just run away from fights more often than actually fighting just because of how boring they became.
Because it gives the player an option to sometimes (doing it ALL the time ain't fun) deal with multiples enemies in a very fast and effective way, especially if in dire need. You're supposed to play as some badass master in fighting, right? Giving the character the ability to quickly expose of more than one enemy in these quick yet devastating attacks, all in one big combo, not only makes fighting more fun because it gives you yet another choice for how to deal with your enemies but can also save your life. That's what I think.
What irked me most in AC2 was the scene where Ezio got the "trademark" assassin suit. In AC1 it was already established that assassins wear long white robes so they can pass as the scholars who wear the same thing. Altair's suit was not a uniform, it was a practical outfit which enabled assassins to hide in plain sight.
What's Ezio wearing? A long white robe. Who else dresses like that in the entire game? No. Fucking. Body. Not even other assassins. He sticks out like a sore thumb, completely throwing out the window the reason assassins dressed up in white robes.
@@theyellowmeteor back in Altair times an Assassin wearing a hood and long white sticking out robes was funny but it tried to make sense. After that its just a trademark (all the way till they gave em a tophat)
Your suggestions are by far the best I've heard for the game. They make sense, they're smart and they add new layers of player choice that cater to an audience that has taste instead of people who play ubisoft games because they're ubisoft. And yes they exist. I've met a few.
This might be an unpopular opinion but I had more fun with Watch Dogs 2 than I did with GTAV. Why? Purely because of the chaos I can create with the gang wars. Back in GTA3 with the pedestrian riots w/weapons was a blast and a hell of a lot of fun. GTAV while they have fun characters and decent story telling, its actual gameplay is too grounded. Not enough of the chaotic element.
WD2 brought back the feelings I had with GTA3
heyou2424 fr the only chaos in gta v is online really
omg! I haven't even thought of putting sticky bombs onto the drone or the rc jumper! thanks for the tip!
Ayyyy where muh noodles at?
This is actually a really helpful review and if I do end up picking this game up used or on sale, I'll make sure to take your advice!
I got burned on Watch dogs and Assassins Creed Unity, fuck em, I learn my lesson. Never again Ubisoft, never again.
"Adult fantasy of youth." You *nailed* it.
I'm really interested in playing YOUR idea of Watch_Dogs_2- The game seems like fun too.
Excellent review as always George. I will pick this up in a sale and play it as you said. You raise some really good points here.
Yeah, the whole massacre thing not making any sense inside the game's story and tone is enough for me to not like this game. I don't think the removal of lethal weapons is just a "what if" scenario for potentially improving the game; I think it would have been essential to the game, to make it stand out and not feel like another shooter, even if you can decide to play non-lethally. It's so transparent how the only reason there are weapons in the game is because of the number-crunching telling the suits that the game will sell more if you can watch people's brains splattering in a red mist. It's almost like the decision to have the player kill people is just a token feature they don't even need to question. It's like a check-mark to tick off, without the need to question if it's a feature you need or which makes sense in the story you're trying to tell. It's just so ridiculous to me the casualness with which the teen goofy hacktivists mow down security guards just doing their jobs and then resume the memes and lighthearted comradery in the next scene. It just doesn't fit the game and it takes me out of the immersion. It's just like in Uncharted. He's murdering literally hundreds of "baddies" with no emotional impact on him and making lighthearted jokes afterwards.
Some very interesting things to take away from this review. I have no intention of playing this, but it's good to know that this one takes some much stronger steps towards the promise of those old trailers. Great as always George, gg
two very important questions:
1) Do the police finally police boats?
2) Are the camera still only controlled by player or are they like the camera on Deus Ex. If its still the first they are render completely useless and break the immersion and any challenge of trying to play it stealthy.
I have to say watching footage it looks still as rough and broken as the first game
robertgreally Police boats exist and they patrol as well.
robertgreally The camera system is near identical to the first game.
You had a very good point with the non-guns thing. If one game can benefit from that is this one. I hope they hear you out. Besides, it would represent perfectly the whole young-hackers-out-smarting-everyone thing. If it does happen, it´d come to show how hard it is and how long it takes to figure out a new game concept.
They shouldn't remove the guns. Should just make the stealth/non-lethal option more robust for people as the same sentiment as you. Unless the overwhelming majority agrees, of course.
That's why he said Ubisoft had to take the "safe" approach, that being keeping guns for the player in the game. It would make much more sense and fit their main characters more if they did not use guns though. Guns are not always necessary to give power or control to the player, it is just a lazy thing that every AAA developers feels obligated to do because all the other games with guns are selling well.
"Unless the overwhelming majority agrees, of course."
That doesn't sound like a very creative or interesting way to design a game. If the shooting doesn't benefit what the game is trying to do and is there to simply check boxes, I think it should be cut out.
I understand your sentiments, but it isn't just to cut boxes *if* most people want guns in the game. It's selfish to remove what most like, just for the artistic vision of a few, or the developers. It's about what the consumer wants, especially in this case.
Caustic_
So should every game be made to perfectly fit their respective demographic? Because in that case there wouldn't be many games... or innovation. Imagine if you wrote a book like that, "Hmmm... what do the majority of people want to hear?". Games shouldn't be treated as simple products made to perfectly satisfy consumers, they should be viewed as an expression of artistic vision (even the most generic AAA action games). And when it comes to art, most consumers don't know what they want (you can't just throw all the game mechanics that people like into a pot and make something amazing).
Caustic_ If games are only made with what the current statistics say is the majority, companies will never be able to get new players into their demo-graphic. Innovation is a part of making games, and it is not being selfish to want to try new things, in fact, it is more selfish, imo, to only take the safe approach when it comes to making games AAA or not.
So you should really say that it would be risky for the company financially to take out guns for the player, it is not selfish, it is risky and they don't want to take risks and would rather take the safest approach to their games.
I'm so pleasantly surprised that this game is actually good and not so serious as.
Seems like a lot of sequels learned a lot from their predecesors: Hitman by tropping the AAA shtik and focusing on replaying, Doom 4 with incredible gunplay, infinite warfare with cooler settings, titanfall 2 with a great sp, Dishonored with more non lethal options, Far Cry Primal with more focused gameplay, and now this.
As awful as this year has been, at least it's been pretty good for games.
The game is good? that's it, un-subbing from the switcher.
Phantom R Wait the switcher hated WD2?
Nope its an in joke, on the podcast the SBF were talking about a comment that was like "THis video fucking sucks, im unsubbing from SuperBunnyHop" (or something to that nature) and they made a bit out of it.
BaneDain bingo
No noodle shot; no "I love you".
This is an imposter.
11:35 yeah but taking followers away from you would hint to a "wrong" way of playing the game, and that doesn't go to well with a openworld playground that they are going with. perhaps followers should be like notoriety and play differently as exp, just to give players more options as to how play their games, even if I think going with the stealth route is way more fun. But hey man I think variety is cool
Or have it that you attract different followers depending on how you play.
Yeah like you could have the innocent "script kiddies, pranksters" demographic of followers, or the "Bestgore" demographic, with the amount of each follower type dictating how the in-game world views Dedsec. That'd be sick.
And each type of followers gets you different interactions with factions, some are more hostile and stuff, or give you different abilities, I dunno man Vidya Gayms
Or having different followers influence the players abilities the same way Sleeping Dogs and Infamous did.
Ditching guns sounds like a good idea, but as you said, it's too radical for a AAA Ubisoft mass market sandbox. However, something better may be having two types of PR with separate EXP bars. One for lethality/destruction and one for more crafty and less dangerous solutions - The people that want to kill and maim can have that option, they'll still have fun and be rewarded, but there's a subtle nudge to gain levels in a less destructive manner with that other EXP bar sitting empty.
Great review, wasn't expecting it to be anything ground breaking.
Game looks great, characters make me cringe
Student B right
Student B yup debating whether to buy or not because of that
Holy shit, 5:06 was the Bush Man I got a jump scare from him when I was a little kid on Fisherman's Wharf. I'm glad he's sort of immortalized in a video game.
What I got out of this is that I'm currently reinstalling Sleeping Dogs.
Removing guns is a brilliant idea, but losing followers over bad actions ... absolutely genius! Almost like the vigilante system in the first game, which i loved so much!
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