Funny how 87cc dude nailed his play and midstake pro had feeling it's just clicking buttons... None of the pros thought of that bluffing combo neither.. The dream is alive! EDIT: oh Ontario.. That makes more sense.
And on the 65 hand they didn’t understand the reason you bet these pairs on the turn is to check when you get a blank river. And is nice to call expecting an overbluff With Brad saying at the end “just learn preflop ranges and you can win in most games” Ontario must be hella soft
Hand 1: 65s unprofitable 3-bet against LJ opener. Hand 2: We have very few check-raise bluffs here (QTs? ATs? none?) as we can c-bet range. Playing QQ as a check-raise overweights our range to value. Hand 3: Probably a calldown in GTO land but losing in practice. Hand 4: Bet small on the flop and big on the turn when we pick up flush draw as we can force out a few better aces and easily call shove.
Mostly agree, except for hand 4. I would add that in hand 2 what u said doesn't matter if IP is never folding a J. In hand 4 I have to hard disagree, IP will (almost) never fold a better A, so we needlessly lose a stack in spots where we can sometimes get to showdown more cheaply, and we don't get value from bluffcatching vs his bluffs (like 87cc).
@@consumer61 There are 0 bluffs when we jam at 1 SPR on the turn. This is the problem. Probably only stack AJ. Other Jx can genuinely fold because we aren't weighted correctly. Sizing down on the turn is mandatory because we aren't concerned with denying equity and there are still some X/R bluffs that want to barrel and make opp indifferent. A2-5s, KQ, etc
30:22 ik you guys are better than me , but i think the idea to bluff 87 on the river might be good vs the pool , if ip thinks oop is more weighted towards JJ QQ KK and they’re going to fold river
I agree. The solver takes takes call / bet 25% / jam with 87s fairly often, preferring to check a little more than half the time on the turn without diamonds. It's close to a pure jam on the river. This is also assuming CO checks upward of half of their AK/AQ combos, and bets half of their KK/QQ. I'd imagine bet 25% / jam becomes even better against a range more heavily weighted to JJ-KK. I also play lower stakes than everyone in this video, but my impression with players specifically in the 50-500nl range is that they just assume every other reg is randomly clicking buttons / doing stupid stuff in spots - which very well may be true, but its also clear that they also have a poor understanding of how you're supposed to play them.
@@aname4437 i didn’t check the solver , but i think the b25% is AA and some thin value like AJs , And i think assuming that every reg between 50-500nl is randomly clicking isn’t true , e.g in this 4bet pot if ip(reg)jam river and hero had KK , based on your assumption he should call , which would be bad cause the pool will under-bluff this spot (he was even not sure with top pair) , As pete said it’s better to see the profitability of our hand in that spot
@@adamba99 It's not about thinking regs could have any combo when actually playing, and more that whenever a reg shows up with some hand they don't expect their reaction is "what an idiot" / "they're just clicking buttons" even though they don't fully understand the spot and villain's "weird" play might just be theoretically correct.
7:02 65s is a 0EV between calling,folding and 3-betting, and this is in GTO so we need board coverage. Maybe in real life, where we will not play villain a lot and often, we don't need board coverage, so this 3-bet becomes a negative real-life EV? Seems like a losing 3-bet to me.
11:42 about flatting in sb There is a streamer called rektiss , he found out that when he stopped flatting in sb and btn the rake he was paying went down
I looked at the TT hand - while AQo 4 bets like 60% it mixes some calls and folds too, AQs calls pure.. (so they don't have full frequency AQ, and even if they get here with that do 100pct of solid regs 100pct bet bet jam? Even A4s and A5s are not full frequency 4bs by a long way...solver plays call call fold with our TT on river... 20% calls with specific suits... our QQ plays pure call over the 4b so to use Pete's words (we are drowning in 99 TT JJ)... since AK mostly jams pre... given all that, and we have to have some call call folds, aren't 99/TT in that mix a lot? We dumped our kqo to the 4b, so we have very little KQ.... so Im confused, we rarely have a King, so these pairs are in some senses top of range... I would have folded river without much thought - but remain unsure about that
@@ColliePoker-re4sx I am in a type of conundrum and I figure you can help me, seeing as you have experience in that realm. How do you determine which of your goats is the healthiest?
the pocket 10s hand first question you should ask is what is the bottom of villains value range . you should have aces pure and ak at a decent frequency so youre range is super protected and 10s is actually basically the bottom of your range should be an easy fold. him finding the jj jam while correct seems way too thin
Your videos are very nice but imo you need to post some results at some point, even if they are not great they will not take out any of your coachings ability.
If the theory and logic are sound why do results make any difference at all? You are curious how variance has affected this particular player? How does that affect what they say at all.
@ Variance would not matter after 1 year of playing if you are good player. I am not trying to take away anything from Pete, i even have few of his coaching stuff. I just wanna see his results bcs am curious if he is winning the game or not.
Funny how 87cc dude nailed his play and midstake pro had feeling it's just clicking buttons... None of the pros thought of that bluffing combo neither.. The dream is alive! EDIT: oh Ontario.. That makes more sense.
Agreed, no idea why they hated on the 87 play
And on the 65 hand they didn’t understand the reason you bet these pairs on the turn is to check when you get a blank river. And is nice to call expecting an overbluff
With Brad saying at the end “just learn preflop ranges and you can win in most games” Ontario must be hella soft
Hand 1: 65s unprofitable 3-bet against LJ opener. Hand 2: We have very few check-raise bluffs here (QTs? ATs? none?) as we can c-bet range. Playing QQ as a check-raise overweights our range to value. Hand 3: Probably a calldown in GTO land but losing in practice. Hand 4: Bet small on the flop and big on the turn when we pick up flush draw as we can force out a few better aces and easily call shove.
Mostly agree, except for hand 4. I would add that in hand 2 what u said doesn't matter if IP is never folding a J. In hand 4 I have to hard disagree, IP will (almost) never fold a better A, so we needlessly lose a stack in spots where we can sometimes get to showdown more cheaply, and we don't get value from bluffcatching vs his bluffs (like 87cc).
@@consumer61 If you don't think villain is ever folding top pair then simply never bluff. You've solved poker.
@@Mathemagical55 QQ is not a bluff
@@consumer61 There are 0 bluffs when we jam at 1 SPR on the turn. This is the problem. Probably only stack AJ. Other Jx can genuinely fold because we aren't weighted correctly. Sizing down on the turn is mandatory because we aren't concerned with denying equity and there are still some X/R bluffs that want to barrel and make opp indifferent. A2-5s, KQ, etc
@@scottmeredith agreed
but what was the result of hand #1??
lol
30:22 ik you guys are better than me , but i think the idea to bluff 87 on the river might be good vs the pool , if ip thinks oop is more weighted towards JJ QQ KK and they’re going to fold river
I agree. The solver takes takes call / bet 25% / jam with 87s fairly often, preferring to check a little more than half the time on the turn without diamonds. It's close to a pure jam on the river. This is also assuming CO checks upward of half of their AK/AQ combos, and bets half of their KK/QQ. I'd imagine bet 25% / jam becomes even better against a range more heavily weighted to JJ-KK.
I also play lower stakes than everyone in this video, but my impression with players specifically in the 50-500nl range is that they just assume every other reg is randomly clicking buttons / doing stupid stuff in spots - which very well may be true, but its also clear that they also have a poor understanding of how you're supposed to play them.
Yeah it's a good bluff. It's weird they didn't just jam. Kinda smells like rta to me tbh.
@@aname4437 i didn’t check the solver , but i think the b25% is AA and some thin value like AJs ,
And i think assuming that every reg between 50-500nl is randomly clicking isn’t true , e.g in this 4bet pot if ip(reg)jam river and hero had KK , based on your assumption he should call , which would be bad cause the pool will under-bluff this spot (he was even not sure with top pair) ,
As pete said it’s better to see the profitability of our hand in that spot
@@adamba99 It's not about thinking regs could have any combo when actually playing, and more that whenever a reg shows up with some hand they don't expect their reaction is "what an idiot" / "they're just clicking buttons" even though they don't fully understand the spot and villain's "weird" play might just be theoretically correct.
@@ColliePoker-re4sx Some could see it as potential rta move, some could see it as a sneaky cheaper bluff... Just a perception.
Seb's thought process is so smooth. How does one train that?
1st hand why no one is mentionning c/c river?
7:02 65s is a 0EV between calling,folding and 3-betting, and this is in GTO so we need board coverage. Maybe in real life, where we will not play villain a lot and often, we don't need board coverage, so this 3-bet becomes a negative real-life EV? Seems like a losing 3-bet to me.
11:42 about flatting in sb There is a streamer called rektiss , he found out that when he stopped flatting in sb and btn the rake he was paying went down
Great video, gonna watch now
I looked at the TT hand - while AQo 4 bets like 60% it mixes some calls and folds too, AQs calls pure.. (so they don't have full frequency AQ, and even if they get here with that do 100pct of solid regs 100pct bet bet jam? Even A4s and A5s are not full frequency 4bs by a long way...solver plays call call fold with our TT on river... 20% calls with specific suits... our QQ plays pure call over the 4b so to use Pete's words (we are drowning in 99 TT JJ)... since AK mostly jams pre... given all that, and we have to have some call call folds, aren't 99/TT in that mix a lot? We dumped our kqo to the 4b, so we have very little KQ.... so Im confused, we rarely have a King, so these pairs are in some senses top of range... I would have folded river without much thought - but remain unsure about that
tend to agree
how did seb manage to get owen as a coach for the hu match ?? im jealous hes probably the #1 cash player in the world atm
I had to sacrifice my healthiest goat
@@ColliePoker-re4sx I am in a type of conundrum and I figure you can help me, seeing as you have experience in that realm.
How do you determine which of your goats is the healthiest?
@@arist7922 check the gums
@@arist7922 check the gums
the pocket 10s hand first question you should ask is what is the bottom of villains value range . you should have aces pure and ak at a decent frequency so youre range is super protected and 10s is actually basically the bottom of your range should be an easy fold. him finding the jj jam while correct seems way too thin
Love it
Your videos are very nice but imo you need to post some results at some point, even if they are not great they will not take out any of your coachings ability.
d you know how to contact this coaches?
if hes able to coach people to become winning and better players then his results are completely irrelevant
If the theory and logic are sound why do results make any difference at all? You are curious how variance has affected this particular player? How does that affect what they say at all.
@@AAZFortnite i agree, a lot of people seems to be obsessed with results, graphs etc it's weird lol
@ Variance would not matter after 1 year of playing if you are good player. I am not trying to take away anything from Pete, i even have few of his coaching stuff. I just wanna see his results bcs am curious if he is winning the game or not.
i need heads up coach. how to contact that guys?
where to watch their challenge? im 200 nl reg