Glad to see so many people like this format! Don't think I always play my best on these but there's always something to takeaway from it. Thanks Bena, will hopefully get on the channel in this way soon!
maybe this isn’t the exact spot to shove but going biggish would be my preference. there are a lot of spots where we reaaaaally dust by going smaller and not maxing fold equity vs recs.
Very nice video! Great format. About curiosity/nerdy stuff, I just wanted to comment on an interesting thing. Sorry in advance for long post… Around 18 minutes, Bena you were talking about going “wide” and mentioned TT mayyybe 99. I just wanna make a point that I think a lot of regs underestimate and haven’t thought of: TT becomes infinitely better then 99 to get in pre on GG. Especially short stacked. Because of the JP getting TT in vs AK/TT+ range gets a lot of added EV. People just think it’s almost impossible to hit and it’s never worth adjusting your strat for. However the JP is overwhelmingly more likely to hit if TT is up against JJ-KK because you win (the big share as well) if AAA comes on the board. In fact it’s about 1/500 that happens which equates to about 10-12BB of E for the lower pair. So in a spot where we get 5b jammed on or something with TT now the EV goes up drastically and we have a mandatory call as long as they aren’t like ridiculously weighted to AA. When we are up against AK it’s obviously good and if he has JJ-KK part of his range we get bailed out 0,2% of the time for 50-65 BI:s.
i literally do not understand this, (appreciate in no way for me ha) need to - to improve lol, refreshing to have decent commentary ppl on Yt who know your stuff like you
@@jimh396 ha no I'm not at your level so wasn't immediately clear. Me not you! Think it's a good one for me to try and get. Basically it's a complement and I'm doing myself down not you ha
Hi Ben. Love your content. But I wonder if you could make some play and explain videos at lower stakes (50nl/100nl/200nl RnC for example), cuz I think majority of your viewers are struggling at those stakes.
i'm reluctant to do too many play and explains as this really begins to share the nitty gritty of my strategy in a lot of spots. i will be doing one at 10k subs though so gotta wait for that!
On the KJ hand were the villain XR river, you think the size he used was good? Like the range he's repping feels like a range that wants to XR jam the river. Idk, maybe I'm too curious 😂
hahaha I can see why you’re curious but I do think that river raise range is beyond strong here! you are definitely right that there wasn’t to be a shove range though
I think turning AT with A of spades into a bluff would be a giga punt against most 1k nl regs for the hand at 4:20. You are repping such little value since you almost always are raising a set/2 pair on flop and the A high flush on the turn, on the river you are probably not shoving less than the A high flush for value (even that seems thin) vs that river size, 9s without a spade could just fold to the flop bet size, so you are basically repping 2 combos of A9s and the occasional slow play or turned set when AT with ace of spades makes for an okay bluff catcher. My only bluff on that river would be 75s or 97s vs players I think can fold AK/AQ or a flush, anymore than that and I think you are overbluffing in a spot that is easy to overbluff in given how little value you have and the price they are getting. Am I crazy?
You have tons of value here not sure what you mean. A7 and especially A5 should call flop at healthy frequency (I recognize though that many guys xr these too often), then you have A9 and 99 basically pure.
you're not crazy at all and that's why i said i wouldn't do it (especially vs this opponent). I'm saying that vs some players this will be very good, and it's less about the exact combo we use, and more about bringing into awareness that this is an option for us rather than stick to the call/fold option. as a side point, i think i'd definitely rather use an ace that some of the counterfeit 2p
@@BenaBadBeatPoker there's a Phil Galfond vid somewhere where he tells an old school story of discussing a hand with someone and they're debating call/fold. Then Tom Dwan comes by and pipes up: "I would raise". Galfond was stunned, they hadn't even considered it. Said it really highlighted how much better Dwan was vs him at the time. This convo reminded me of that story. Also fwiw I went and checked the sim and looks like your low kickers are the ones to bluff in the solver (A3 A2) since they don't interact with the folding range. Q kind of bad side card. It's not impressed with the flush blocker either since we're really just repping boats. Hard to figure out these details in real time though
yeah very hard to figure out in game! also easy to arrive at false positives with regards to blockers. but funnily enough, we prob still wildly under bluff this spot in reality even when overbluffing some portions!
@@BenaBadBeatPoker It is interesting to think about, I guess I just don't give most regs credit for having enough value hands that they are over betting and then folding to a raise on that river, the trendy thing now seems to just assume players have bluffs and click call when you block value and are getting a good price (at least in the US pools I play in, I know EU is more advanced). The way I think of it is if they are the type to hero fold, they probably aren't the type that is very thin when they over bet, I'd assume they most likely have a boat or bluff, and an Ace beats all their bluffs and blocks value so not sure what is accomplished by turning it into a bluff, except maybe getting a lower flush to fold if they even have that in their over bet range, but even that seems like something that can tank call if you have any history of bluffing. I guess what I'm trying to understand is why you like using an Ace over the counterfeit 2 pairs as your bluff vs certain players? Are you expecting to get called from AK or AQ since those block boats but flushes fold because they don't? AK AQ and none A high flushes would be the value hands I'd be hoping to get folds from when bluffing in that spot, so I'd rather not have an ace and block boats, if they are the type to over bet and then bluff catch AK or AQ I'd probably just have 0 bluff raises vs them in that spot lol
good video, but weazel should play maybe 1 or 2 tables for this format bc 3 tableing disrupts the flow of this video a little if you explain a spot in detail and he constantly gets a new hand.
Really love the channel and idea here, but it’s hard to follow with a different hand on screen. Would it be more productive for the audience and student to review hands post session?
I was just thinking about this spot at 24:15, if you're going to bluff you don't need to go big. You're torching money if you bluff all in in my opinion. Short stack players play typically tight and will fold to smaller sizes, and big sizes can look weak against small stacks
sure yeah we don't need to go all in here i agree. can just go with a bit over pot. but there are plenty of other situations where i think going all in is definitely the best option - maybe when they're a bit deeper!
hope you guys enjoy this one, let me know who you'd like to see next on the channel! and if you haven't please go ahead and drop a sub!
Would like you to be the player and someone like Prodigy sit and give the comments (reverse roles of here)
@ would be suuuuper keen for this if someone like him wanted to do it
really did. great content producers and players together, loved the level of respect and curious inspection of the hands
Glad to see so many people like this format! Don't think I always play my best on these but there's always something to takeaway from it. Thanks Bena, will hopefully get on the channel in this way soon!
cheers for coming on mate
Mark finally found someone in the poker world whos opinion is worth a shit to him, and it's just adorable.
hahahah
This is some of the best content u guys have made. Ty
Ahhh I’m so happy that I could have such a good video to watch on New Year’s night Thanks Bena!❤
aw, wishing you prosperity and good fortune isme! glglgl
@ lollll the first time someone call me isme :D Happy New Year! 🎊
@oneone_isme seemed better than one one hahaha
The 2nd to last hand of the video with the KTo where you said you’d jam for 22bb, can you elaborate why you’d do that??? really curious.
maybe this isn’t the exact spot to shove but going biggish would be my preference. there are a lot of spots where we reaaaaally dust by going smaller and not maxing fold equity vs recs.
Very nice video! Great format. About curiosity/nerdy stuff, I just wanted to comment on an interesting thing. Sorry in advance for long post…
Around 18 minutes, Bena you were talking about going “wide” and mentioned TT mayyybe 99. I just wanna make a point that I think a lot of regs underestimate and haven’t thought of:
TT becomes infinitely better then 99 to get in pre on GG. Especially short stacked. Because of the JP getting TT in vs AK/TT+ range gets a lot of added EV. People just think it’s almost impossible to hit and it’s never worth adjusting your strat for. However the JP is overwhelmingly more likely to hit if TT is up against JJ-KK because you win (the big share as well) if AAA comes on the board. In fact it’s about 1/500 that happens which equates to about 10-12BB of E for the lower pair.
So in a spot where we get 5b jammed on or something with TT now the EV goes up drastically and we have a mandatory call as long as they aren’t like ridiculously weighted to AA. When we are up against AK it’s obviously good and if he has JJ-KK part of his range we get bailed out 0,2% of the time for 50-65 BI:s.
yeah very good point and super valuable - this is something i adjust for massively when grinding too
i literally do not understand this, (appreciate in no way for me ha) need to - to improve lol, refreshing to have decent commentary ppl on Yt who know your stuff like you
@@thomasmatthews80 I’m not sure I got what you were trying to say. You didn’t know this before? Anyway, hope it helped you 😀
@@jimh396 ha no I'm not at your level so wasn't immediately clear. Me not you! Think it's a good one for me to try and get. Basically it's a complement and I'm doing myself down not you ha
think its 1/5000 not 500 (or 1/4200 or sth more accurately) or 0,02%
Great video chaps, big fan of your dual content!
nice one mate!
Hi Ben. Love your content. But I wonder if you could make some play and explain videos at lower stakes (50nl/100nl/200nl RnC for example), cuz I think majority of your viewers are struggling at those stakes.
i'm reluctant to do too many play and explains as this really begins to share the nitty gritty of my strategy in a lot of spots. i will be doing one at 10k subs though so gotta wait for that!
On the KJ hand were the villain XR river, you think the size he used was good? Like the range he's repping feels like a range that wants to XR jam the river. Idk, maybe I'm too curious 😂
typical GG behaviour, want to get called so will size down
hahaha I can see why you’re curious but I do think that river raise range is beyond strong here! you are definitely right that there wasn’t to be a shove range though
Thanks! Delivered on the Collab!
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you're welcome!
at these stakes many players start with a small stack then?
sometimes!
I think turning AT with A of spades into a bluff would be a giga punt against most 1k nl regs for the hand at 4:20. You are repping such little value since you almost always are raising a set/2 pair on flop and the A high flush on the turn, on the river you are probably not shoving less than the A high flush for value (even that seems thin) vs that river size, 9s without a spade could just fold to the flop bet size, so you are basically repping 2 combos of A9s and the occasional slow play or turned set when AT with ace of spades makes for an okay bluff catcher. My only bluff on that river would be 75s or 97s vs players I think can fold AK/AQ or a flush, anymore than that and I think you are overbluffing in a spot that is easy to overbluff in given how little value you have and the price they are getting. Am I crazy?
You have tons of value here not sure what you mean. A7 and especially A5 should call flop at healthy frequency (I recognize though that many guys xr these too often), then you have A9 and 99 basically pure.
you're not crazy at all and that's why i said i wouldn't do it (especially vs this opponent). I'm saying that vs some players this will be very good, and it's less about the exact combo we use, and more about bringing into awareness that this is an option for us rather than stick to the call/fold option. as a side point, i think i'd definitely rather use an ace that some of the counterfeit 2p
@@BenaBadBeatPoker there's a Phil Galfond vid somewhere where he tells an old school story of discussing a hand with someone and they're debating call/fold. Then Tom Dwan comes by and pipes up: "I would raise". Galfond was stunned, they hadn't even considered it. Said it really highlighted how much better Dwan was vs him at the time.
This convo reminded me of that story.
Also fwiw I went and checked the sim and looks like your low kickers are the ones to bluff in the solver (A3 A2) since they don't interact with the folding range. Q kind of bad side card. It's not impressed with the flush blocker either since we're really just repping boats. Hard to figure out these details in real time though
yeah very hard to figure out in game! also easy to arrive at false positives with regards to blockers. but funnily enough, we prob still wildly under bluff this spot in reality even when overbluffing some portions!
@@BenaBadBeatPoker It is interesting to think about, I guess I just don't give most regs credit for having enough value hands that they are over betting and then folding to a raise on that river, the trendy thing now seems to just assume players have bluffs and click call when you block value and are getting a good price (at least in the US pools I play in, I know EU is more advanced). The way I think of it is if they are the type to hero fold, they probably aren't the type that is very thin when they over bet, I'd assume they most likely have a boat or bluff, and an Ace beats all their bluffs and blocks value so not sure what is accomplished by turning it into a bluff, except maybe getting a lower flush to fold if they even have that in their over bet range, but even that seems like something that can tank call if you have any history of bluffing. I guess what I'm trying to understand is why you like using an Ace over the counterfeit 2 pairs as your bluff vs certain players? Are you expecting to get called from AK or AQ since those block boats but flushes fold because they don't? AK AQ and none A high flushes would be the value hands I'd be hoping to get folds from when bluffing in that spot, so I'd rather not have an ace and block boats, if they are the type to over bet and then bluff catch AK or AQ I'd probably just have 0 bluff raises vs them in that spot lol
Oooooh not this stain, he can't even beat 2NL consistently!
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@@BenaBadBeatPoker I do love to rib Mark, but having you over his shoulder probably prevents him going off on tilt so hard!
really love these vids!
thanks mate!
good video, but weazel should play maybe 1 or 2 tables for this format bc 3 tableing disrupts the flow of this video a little if you explain a spot in detail and he constantly gets a new hand.
will definitely keep that it mind next time. the next episode will be the same format though
Really love the channel and idea here, but it’s hard to follow with a different hand on screen. Would it be more productive for the audience and student to review hands post session?
it could be but hand replayer hands get NO traction in our experience
@@BenaBadBeatPoker Appreciate the response, keep up the great content my guy 👍🏻
I was just thinking about this spot at 24:15, if you're going to bluff you don't need to go big. You're torching money if you bluff all in in my opinion. Short stack players play typically tight and will fold to smaller sizes, and big sizes can look weak against small stacks
sure yeah we don't need to go all in here i agree. can just go with a bit over pot. but there are plenty of other situations where i think going all in is definitely the best option - maybe when they're a bit deeper!
Loved this!
thanks man!
Great video…what is green tag..is that fish?
for him i'm not sure mate
@@BenaBadBeatPoker that nhou guy looks Like big fish
ah nah they’re a reg
@@BenaBadBeatPoker ty for answer
im coming back to online poker in february, good luck to me and all of you guys, btw another great video bena
ayyy gl on the grind mate!
this Ben fella is mighty impressive
Get a cage and don’t duck me
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@@BenaBadBeatPoker put em up don’t laugh FIGHT
really good shit
cheers mate!
Is there a god !!!commentators curse
hahahaha legit
nice one
cheers bro
3:09 it's a double paired board, can't get value from worse A hi
the board is single paired
@@BenaBadBeatPoker You were talking about the AK getting value from a worse ace on JJ883. Sorry my timestamp is a little late.
ah I was referring to betting the flop not river mate
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Really cool to see two super sharp poker minds collab and discuss spots like this
Who was the second? I only saw one and then Weazel
@@johnnyx7ythe hate on weazel is tremendous 😂😂 so many salty dons
@@johnnyx7y He's just a bit sick and tired of the game but back when he actually gave a shit he was amazing at hand reading
@@pallav5833 oh you mean predicting people's futures from looking at their palms. Yeah compared to poker I'm sure he excelled at that
really glad you liked it bro
brazil flag read enjoyer
:D always
Sniff sniff
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Good stuff, always enjoy this format!
tyyyy Rox😻
Great vid mate. If weazel could stop interrupting my coaching session would be much appreciated haha.
:DDD
The best advice would be to move down in stakes to 25nl where Nitzel can perhaps eek out a small winrate. Sorry to say he's a fish at 1knl
You are next on the show. GL...
move down to where they respect your raises??