Jose Torres Documentary - Cus D'Amato & The Renaissance Man

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  • A look back at former light heavyweight champion Jose Torres. NOTE: The ending had to be trimmed due to UMG claiming copyright over Jose Torres singing "Un Poco Mas" for a few seconds.

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  • @Nada11488
    @Nada11488 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I have never requested a fighter you should feature, but if I was going to, it would’ve been Jose Torres. Thanks, Rich. You rule.

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks, Nada. Torres was quite the interesting fighter.

    • @user-hv6sb3kg9g
      @user-hv6sb3kg9g 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      🇵🇷🥊🥊🔥💪🏽❤️! Thanks from me def

  • @mider-spanman5577
    @mider-spanman5577 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Cus D'Amato was arguably the greatest trainer of all time! He coached and trained three young world champions in different eras and weight classes of boxing! Each from different backgrounds too. Shows you how well-rounded the man was.

    • @barry5580
      @barry5580 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      +1 He's the goat in my eyes
      *BARRY* 🎉

  • @vitaboxing
    @vitaboxing 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Can't wait for a Esteban de Jesús one.

    • @tankertuff278
      @tankertuff278 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Esteban De Jesús!!!!!!!!!!! RIP

  • @domturiace670
    @domturiace670 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Always seemed like an intelligent man.He could have gone further in boxing, but that intelligence kept him from taking a beating and he knew when to get out and stayed out .

  • @GTSpeac
    @GTSpeac 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Another great episode and lesson in boxing history. Hey Rich it would be great if you can do a full documentary on Cus D'Amato some day as well the other great trainers / managers.

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, Mehdi. Yeah, I watched a lot of film on D'Amato and boosted him up on the to do list a bit.

  • @santiagovalentin7180
    @santiagovalentin7180 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jose Torres used to come around in the summer to L.E.S. and tried to play some softball he was very well liked by his fans he was a good man! And he was an articulate one, too! R.I.P. Champ 🥊

  • @TheSnoopindaweb
    @TheSnoopindaweb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember a bus depot in S/W Mt. We could go to warm up, etc, and take a magazine off the rack and look it over. One I enjoyed was The Ring, I'd follow some 60's fighters like Roger Rouse and Jose Torres. Heros Yup❕👀 G~G.

  • @johdasingh8404
    @johdasingh8404 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brilliant work brother all boxing fans really appreciate your dedication sir . Well done

  • @javiercorreapr9977
    @javiercorreapr9977 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Proud of my fellow Ponceño, a glory for Puerto Rico. I also tried to follow the boxing tradition of the island. My mother sums it best “ Thanks God that you studied something because boxing was not for you 😊”

  • @technomickdocumentalist2495
    @technomickdocumentalist2495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He had a great singing voice. 💯👌😎
    Another bang on production Rich, I hope you and your family are well.
    Take care brother. 💜❄️💜

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you, technomick, same to you and your family.

  • @christopherbellore3511
    @christopherbellore3511 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You did it again, Rich.
    Your talents and methods of portraying fighters is incomparable.
    Your a one of a kind fight historian; and the boxing world is being redefined by your poignant insights and perception. Thank you, for this, and all of your work. 🙏🥊✝

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you very much, Christopher. Men like you keep the channel going.

  • @patmcstuff671
    @patmcstuff671 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great piece of history, great work!

  • @rockyfish3115
    @rockyfish3115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fast hands and powerful, awsome fighter, and a gentleman

  • @nickharmer3049
    @nickharmer3049 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Excellent work Rich. Appreciate this. Unfortunately I don't know Torres career very well, except for his Dick Tiger losses. It's given me some research.! Bless 👊

  • @kevindean1327
    @kevindean1327 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dude had some pipes!!!

  • @philiplangerman7375
    @philiplangerman7375 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another great doc Rich, I knew of Torres's career , but you covered some new areas.

  • @adrianwalters2318
    @adrianwalters2318 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Another great video💯🥊🔥🔥🔥 Rich is it possible to get a video of Jorge Paez?

    • @serenityinside1
      @serenityinside1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh that would be great ! 👍. A true wild man , flamboyant colourful character to say the least - and no mean fighter ie multi weight campion right ? Cmon Rich .. please ! 😊

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, he's on the to do list.

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      haha, okay serenityinside1.

    • @adrianwalters2318
      @adrianwalters2318 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @RichtheFightHistorian greatly appreciated Rich your channel is truly the best on the legends and contenders in boxing💯🥊🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @2383Scorpio
    @2383Scorpio 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video on Jose Torres one of the goats at light heavyweight. Keep it up Rich.

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, Scorpio. Will do.

    • @2383Scorpio
      @2383Scorpio 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RichtheFightHistorian You're welcome Rich my man.

  • @scotthawkins28
    @scotthawkins28 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful, Rich.

  • @bozotheclown666
    @bozotheclown666 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    great video. i hope you’ll eventually cover the rest of the ferocious four in cornelius boza edwards and rolando navarette, specifically navarette, feels there’s alot to talk about with navarette. keep up the good work rich.

  • @abudujana13
    @abudujana13 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for the video, RICH THE FIGHT HISTORIAN

  • @fernandoguerrero333
    @fernandoguerrero333 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you once again Rich.

  • @jessearias2863
    @jessearias2863 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for this one rich love hearing about one of Tysons mentors who was also a great fighter.

  • @thegreenlawchannel5740
    @thegreenlawchannel5740 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent. Thank you.

  • @lesteryoung5510
    @lesteryoung5510 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A quality video about a quality boxer. Good job Rich.

  • @user-th6gp7ec8x
    @user-th6gp7ec8x 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Woot woot

  • @akleine5738
    @akleine5738 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Many thanx Mr Rich!

  • @BronxEmperor
    @BronxEmperor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!! 🔥🔥🔥
    Roberto duran, Thomas hearns, Sugar Ray leonard, Salvador Sanchez any of these fighters documentaries would be fire 🔥🔥🔥

  • @towers950
    @towers950 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wonderful documentary Rich

  • @strongman4153
    @strongman4153 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Joey Archer who was frustrated about being avoided at middleweight challenged Torres when champion Cus accepted then pulled out taking Eddie Cotton instead who had 20 losses .

  • @TheBatugan77
    @TheBatugan77 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I was in the Navy.
    We ALL wanted to get out of standing guard or working in the kitchen.
    😊😅😂😃😆

  • @bookah8787
    @bookah8787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow that's looks awesome for the times this has to be quite a lot of years ago, legend Richie 👍

    • @bookah8787
      @bookah8787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Gloves sounded way different to now 1964 wow blows my mind

    • @bookah8787
      @bookah8787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What Oz gloves did the heavyweights use in the 60s and before? Maybe the camera's then made it sound different on impact, this is the number one boxing channel

    • @bookah8787
      @bookah8787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      6 8s and 10s I googled lol that was awesome 👍

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, bookah. In the Olson fight those were sound effects added in to silent film.

    • @bookah8787
      @bookah8787 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RichtheFightHistorian really? Pretty clever that for the times hadn't noticed it was a silent film, now you've told it makes sense, yeah enjoyed this one Richie

  • @strongman4153
    @strongman4153 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cus pulled a miracle with the Willie Pastrano win but like Patterson he protected him so much knowing he was on borrowed time undeserving opponent s and losing to an old Dick Tiger twice who was no lightheavyweight .

  • @himawalincat9350
    @himawalincat9350 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Jose never knocked down Floyd. Floyd slipped and reporters asked Jose if it was a knock down and Jose said it was. Floyd smacked him around bad in the next sparring session for it. This episode is written in Floyd's biography. Jose did terrible to Mike by exposing some nasty story in the book he wrote. Mike was gonna sue him, but he told Mike he has cassette recordings of their conversations to prove. It was Mike's stories to Jose as friends, not for the whole world to hear. their friendship ended just like that.

    • @claypearson8380
      @claypearson8380 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Facts

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fariello stated that Torres did knock Patterson down so I included it in the narrative. Patterson wasn't exactly Jake LaMotta so it isn't inconceivable that Torres could knock him down. They were close friends at one point but the relationship did cool...Torres believed it was because Patterson was jealous of him.

    • @himawalincat9350
      @himawalincat9350 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RichtheFightHistorian Who's Fariello? Was that his trainer? Of course they say that to sell their fighter's name. Jose said it too and Floyd smacked him around for lying. The story is in Floyd's biography "Victory Over Myself". Why Floyd jealous of Jose? Look at their record. When Floyd fired Cus, Jose criticized Floyd in public only to do the same a few years later. In the video you mentioned Cus was supporting Jose and Jose was royal to him at one point. Cus never took any percentage off Jose's purse. Cus was paying Jose and other fighters of his out of Floyd's account. Cus sold all rights of Floyd's fighting films to Jim Jacobs without telling anything to Floyd also. And "they" threatened Floyd for safty of Cus if he had beat Liston. There are so many stories that never have been told in media. Remember Liston only fought 4 championship bouts and 3 of them ended in 1 round. And only other one he quit. Do you believe they were for real ? And why Floyd wanted to think anything of Jose? It's like saying Ali was jealous of Jimmy Ellis or Willie Pastrano. It sounds off,doesn't it ?

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@himawalincat9350 Fariello was the trainer picked by D'Amato to take over the Gramercy Gym. Sounds like you have an anchoring bias with Patterson's book which is fine...You can believe either/or, I am reporting the the facts from Torres' perspective. I will say that your comparison of Torres with the likes of Ellis/Pastrano is way off. Torres had immense popularity as I alluded to in the video. Not only was he rubbing shoulders with the New York literati, he was entertaining the prospect of going into politics as he was friendly with RFK.

    • @himawalincat9350
      @himawalincat9350 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RichtheFightHistorian I'm not biased by the book. I've personally known them all. I was very close to Floyd. I was with him for over 25 years. Jose was never really nice or very friendly. I've fought guys from D'Amato stable in amateurs too. There are inside stories far from what was told by the media because they tend to lie or make things up. BTW Floyd was close with both JFK and RFK. He was in Big Brother joint with Robert. They nicknamed Floyd Gentleman of boxing after he died for good reasons. Jose was cold and not honest even to us kids in boxing game back in the days. Of course I listen to Floyd over him.

  • @Thelategreatjohnnybratton
    @Thelategreatjohnnybratton 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Rich
    Great profile

  • @ulisesgonzalez3299
    @ulisesgonzalez3299 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great champ
    Thanks Rich

  • @bajaborracho9139
    @bajaborracho9139 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another stellar biography. Rich you are the greatest!🥊🙏

  • @mozfonky
    @mozfonky 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I thought Joey Farriello claimed to have invented the "Peek-a-boo" style?

  • @peterlawrence7851
    @peterlawrence7851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Damn

  • @LION0410
    @LION0410 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    El Gran Chegüí

  • @johnpittsii7524
    @johnpittsii7524 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the amazing video Rich ❤

  • @manuelcorrea8828
    @manuelcorrea8828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Video as always. I asked this awhile ago but could you do a video on Manuel Ramos. He was a Mexican heavyweight who challenged Joe Frazier while Frazier was champion. He was a rare fighter since even now there are not many Mexican heavyweights.

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, Manuel. Pulgarcito is on the list but still a ways down. I'll get to him.

    • @manuelcorrea8828
      @manuelcorrea8828 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @RichtheFightHistorian Great I can't wait for your video on him

  • @tintomara6209
    @tintomara6209 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Interestingly, Torres does not appear to have been a troubled youth, unlike other other D'Amato students, such as Patterson and Tyson

    • @user-hv6sb3kg9g
      @user-hv6sb3kg9g 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not troubled but poor

    • @TheBatugan77
      @TheBatugan77 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-hv6sb3kg9g
      Yep. Both my parents were poor. Neither were 'troubled'.

  • @marcocruz6082
    @marcocruz6082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rich you the man

  • @probstcast6257
    @probstcast6257 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Clicked on this one faster than Harry Greb going for the kill!

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That must have been really quick ;) Thanks, Probstcast.

  • @uncjim
    @uncjim 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was never a fan of the peek-a-boo style. It handcuffed fighters making it difficult to fight at a distance and also limiting the ability to see punches coming. Jose had lightning fast, powerful combinations. The first time I saw him fight was against Wayne Thornton, who was no pushover. The knockdown (I believe in the first round) seemingly came out of nowhere. In my opinion, Jose was an elite fighter who lacked the heart of a great champion, note the Tiger rematch. Thanks for another one Rich.

    • @itsnotme3882
      @itsnotme3882 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Styles make fighters. I agree, the peak-a-boo can be limiting, but for some fighters it can create limitless opportunities for power and defense.
      Biggest issue with Cus fighters is that they either fit the peak-a-boo style or they washed out of D’Amato’s camp.
      If Cus had a fighter like Ray Leonard who had a very loose and open style he would not have freedom to develop if he was locked into peak-a-boo. However, give a shorter powerful fighter like Tyson that loose open style and he would be done in a few rounds.
      Where that bob and weave, shift into power with hands high on the face (the essential base of peak-a-boo) works best is with shorter fighters who need to generate power while being able to weave inside the opponent’s guard and cut off the retreat by being able to shift in and out of stances inside. This is how Patterson and Tyson, became the youngest heavyweight champions ever…but outside of Tyson, Torres and Patterson; what other champion fighters did Cus D’Amato’s style produce?

    • @HarryHeath-pb6rv
      @HarryHeath-pb6rv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I could see why he always wanted to be around Tyson because he was very underated and was worthy of being that spotlight to hog Puerto Rico's finest technique

    • @serenityinside1
      @serenityinside1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Peek a boo overrated imo too. Got a good rep cos of Tyson for sure - I don’t believe it always worked for even him personally.

    • @HarryHeath-pb6rv
      @HarryHeath-pb6rv 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      When he knocked off Bobo he came the man on his game for more

    • @TheSquad4life
      @TheSquad4life 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah that style is pretty limiting and takes a certain rhythm and build for it to work. The style definitely gained note cos of Tyson’s success especially in his prime

  • @alpha_trooper8187
    @alpha_trooper8187 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video as usual Rich, its interesting to note how Tom McNeeley fought two Peek'a'boo fighters before his son did 30 years later.
    Was wondering what you personally thought held Torres back the most? How do you think he would have faired had he met Foster? I really wish they had duked it out after watching this video

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks, Alpha. I think Torres wanted to be other things other than a boxer. I'd give Foster the edge over him at that point.

  • @eccoparallel
    @eccoparallel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jose's boxing is very similar to Tysons style..

  • @Memnon-mh9vc
    @Memnon-mh9vc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    🥊🥊

  • @bullerd82
    @bullerd82 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No mention of the Willy bag ?

  • @user-yo3vp5hk1w
    @user-yo3vp5hk1w 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do another liston video this time giving key truths like he was born 1917 and the two fights with ali were fixed by the mafia

  • @AndrewWilliams-kw6bc
    @AndrewWilliams-kw6bc 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Rich, just watched, Tiger vs Torres 2, whole fight except 14th round . Had Torres winning 3 of first 4 rounds, Tiger winning most of the middle rounds, Torres coming on strong in the later rounds. If Torres won the 14th, I score the fight a draw. What's your score ?

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi Andrew, it was a fight that was really tough to score as there was a lot of holding and hitting, IIRC. Your scorecard sounds on point.

  • @dhop1653
    @dhop1653 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why’d you cut out the singing at the end?

    • @RichtheFightHistorian
      @RichtheFightHistorian  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Copyright claim.

    • @dhop1653
      @dhop1653 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RichtheFightHistorian dang, I understand. Great video nonetheless as an avid Catskill Cus fan and Puerto Rican.

  • @ragnarokk2788
    @ragnarokk2788 หลายเดือนก่อน

    RICH PLEASE DO SOME JUSTICE TO JOSE MONÓN GONZALES SOME DAY HE KNOCKS FLORENTINO FERNANDEZ AND RUBIN HURRICANE CARTER