Cus D'Amato was arguably the greatest trainer of all time! He coached and trained three young world champions in different eras and weight classes of boxing! Each from different backgrounds too. Shows you how well-rounded the man was.
Another great episode and lesson in boxing history. Hey Rich it would be great if you can do a full documentary on Cus D'Amato some day as well the other great trainers / managers.
Always seemed like an intelligent man.He could have gone further in boxing, but that intelligence kept him from taking a beating and he knew when to get out and stayed out .
Jose Torres used to come around in the summer to L.E.S. and tried to play some softball he was very well liked by his fans he was a good man! And he was an articulate one, too! R.I.P. Champ 🥊
You did it again, Rich. Your talents and methods of portraying fighters is incomparable. Your a one of a kind fight historian; and the boxing world is being redefined by your poignant insights and perception. Thank you, for this, and all of your work. 🙏🥊✝
I remember a bus depot in S/W Mt. We could go to warm up, etc, and take a magazine off the rack and look it over. One I enjoyed was The Ring, I'd follow some 60's fighters like Roger Rouse and Jose Torres. Heros Yup❕👀 G~G.
great video. i hope you’ll eventually cover the rest of the ferocious four in cornelius boza edwards and rolando navarette, specifically navarette, feels there’s alot to talk about with navarette. keep up the good work rich.
Oh that would be great ! 👍. A true wild man , flamboyant colourful character to say the least - and no mean fighter ie multi weight campion right ? Cmon Rich .. please ! 😊
Excellent work Rich. Appreciate this. Unfortunately I don't know Torres career very well, except for his Dick Tiger losses. It's given me some research.! Bless 👊
Proud of my fellow Ponceño, a glory for Puerto Rico. I also tried to follow the boxing tradition of the island. My mother sums it best “ Thanks God that you studied something because boxing was not for you 😊”
What Oz gloves did the heavyweights use in the 60s and before? Maybe the camera's then made it sound different on impact, this is the number one boxing channel
@@RichtheFightHistorian really? Pretty clever that for the times hadn't noticed it was a silent film, now you've told it makes sense, yeah enjoyed this one Richie
Great Video as always. I asked this awhile ago but could you do a video on Manuel Ramos. He was a Mexican heavyweight who challenged Joe Frazier while Frazier was champion. He was a rare fighter since even now there are not many Mexican heavyweights.
Great video as usual Rich, its interesting to note how Tom McNeeley fought two Peek'a'boo fighters before his son did 30 years later. Was wondering what you personally thought held Torres back the most? How do you think he would have faired had he met Foster? I really wish they had duked it out after watching this video
I was never a fan of the peek-a-boo style. It handcuffed fighters making it difficult to fight at a distance and also limiting the ability to see punches coming. Jose had lightning fast, powerful combinations. The first time I saw him fight was against Wayne Thornton, who was no pushover. The knockdown (I believe in the first round) seemingly came out of nowhere. In my opinion, Jose was an elite fighter who lacked the heart of a great champion, note the Tiger rematch. Thanks for another one Rich.
Styles make fighters. I agree, the peak-a-boo can be limiting, but for some fighters it can create limitless opportunities for power and defense. Biggest issue with Cus fighters is that they either fit the peak-a-boo style or they washed out of D’Amato’s camp. If Cus had a fighter like Ray Leonard who had a very loose and open style he would not have freedom to develop if he was locked into peak-a-boo. However, give a shorter powerful fighter like Tyson that loose open style and he would be done in a few rounds. Where that bob and weave, shift into power with hands high on the face (the essential base of peak-a-boo) works best is with shorter fighters who need to generate power while being able to weave inside the opponent’s guard and cut off the retreat by being able to shift in and out of stances inside. This is how Patterson and Tyson, became the youngest heavyweight champions ever…but outside of Tyson, Torres and Patterson; what other champion fighters did Cus D’Amato’s style produce?
I could see why he always wanted to be around Tyson because he was very underated and was worthy of being that spotlight to hog Puerto Rico's finest technique
Yeah that style is pretty limiting and takes a certain rhythm and build for it to work. The style definitely gained note cos of Tyson’s success especially in his prime
Jose never knocked down Floyd. Floyd slipped and reporters asked Jose if it was a knock down and Jose said it was. Floyd smacked him around bad in the next sparring session for it. This episode is written in Floyd's biography. Jose did terrible to Mike by exposing some nasty story in the book he wrote. Mike was gonna sue him, but he told Mike he has cassette recordings of their conversations to prove. It was Mike's stories to Jose as friends, not for the whole world to hear. their friendship ended just like that.
Fariello stated that Torres did knock Patterson down so I included it in the narrative. Patterson wasn't exactly Jake LaMotta so it isn't inconceivable that Torres could knock him down. They were close friends at one point but the relationship did cool...Torres believed it was because Patterson was jealous of him.
@@RichtheFightHistorian Who's Fariello? Was that his trainer? Of course they say that to sell their fighter's name. Jose said it too and Floyd smacked him around for lying. The story is in Floyd's biography "Victory Over Myself". Why Floyd jealous of Jose? Look at their record. When Floyd fired Cus, Jose criticized Floyd in public only to do the same a few years later. In the video you mentioned Cus was supporting Jose and Jose was royal to him at one point. Cus never took any percentage off Jose's purse. Cus was paying Jose and other fighters of his out of Floyd's account. Cus sold all rights of Floyd's fighting films to Jim Jacobs without telling anything to Floyd also. And "they" threatened Floyd for safty of Cus if he had beat Liston. There are so many stories that never have been told in media. Remember Liston only fought 4 championship bouts and 3 of them ended in 1 round. And only other one he quit. Do you believe they were for real ? And why Floyd wanted to think anything of Jose? It's like saying Ali was jealous of Jimmy Ellis or Willie Pastrano. It sounds off,doesn't it ?
@@himawalincat9350 Fariello was the trainer picked by D'Amato to take over the Gramercy Gym. Sounds like you have an anchoring bias with Patterson's book which is fine...You can believe either/or, I am reporting the the facts from Torres' perspective. I will say that your comparison of Torres with the likes of Ellis/Pastrano is way off. Torres had immense popularity as I alluded to in the video. Not only was he rubbing shoulders with the New York literati, he was entertaining the prospect of going into politics as he was friendly with RFK.
@@RichtheFightHistorian I'm not biased by the book. I've personally known them all. I was very close to Floyd. I was with him for over 25 years. Jose was never really nice or very friendly. I've fought guys from D'Amato stable in amateurs too. There are inside stories far from what was told by the media because they tend to lie or make things up. BTW Floyd was close with both JFK and RFK. He was in Big Brother joint with Robert. They nicknamed Floyd Gentleman of boxing after he died for good reasons. Jose was cold and not honest even to us kids in boxing game back in the days. Of course I listen to Floyd over him.
Joey Archer who was frustrated about being avoided at middleweight challenged Torres when champion Cus accepted then pulled out taking Eddie Cotton instead who had 20 losses .
Cus pulled a miracle with the Willie Pastrano win but like Patterson he protected him so much knowing he was on borrowed time undeserving opponent s and losing to an old Dick Tiger twice who was no lightheavyweight .
Hi Rich, just watched, Tiger vs Torres 2, whole fight except 14th round . Had Torres winning 3 of first 4 rounds, Tiger winning most of the middle rounds, Torres coming on strong in the later rounds. If Torres won the 14th, I score the fight a draw. What's your score ?
I have never requested a fighter you should feature, but if I was going to, it would’ve been Jose Torres. Thanks, Rich. You rule.
Thanks, Nada. Torres was quite the interesting fighter.
🇵🇷🥊🥊🔥💪🏽❤️! Thanks from me def
Cus D'Amato was arguably the greatest trainer of all time! He coached and trained three young world champions in different eras and weight classes of boxing! Each from different backgrounds too. Shows you how well-rounded the man was.
+1 He's the goat in my eyes
*BARRY* 🎉
Can't wait for a Esteban de Jesús one.
Esteban De Jesús!!!!!!!!!!! RIP
Another great episode and lesson in boxing history. Hey Rich it would be great if you can do a full documentary on Cus D'Amato some day as well the other great trainers / managers.
Thanks, Mehdi. Yeah, I watched a lot of film on D'Amato and boosted him up on the to do list a bit.
Always seemed like an intelligent man.He could have gone further in boxing, but that intelligence kept him from taking a beating and he knew when to get out and stayed out .
Jose Torres used to come around in the summer to L.E.S. and tried to play some softball he was very well liked by his fans he was a good man! And he was an articulate one, too! R.I.P. Champ 🥊
Brilliant work brother all boxing fans really appreciate your dedication sir . Well done
Hey thanks, Johda.
He had a great singing voice. 💯👌😎
Another bang on production Rich, I hope you and your family are well.
Take care brother. 💜❄️💜
Thank you, technomick, same to you and your family.
Fast hands and powerful, awsome fighter, and a gentleman
You did it again, Rich.
Your talents and methods of portraying fighters is incomparable.
Your a one of a kind fight historian; and the boxing world is being redefined by your poignant insights and perception. Thank you, for this, and all of your work. 🙏🥊✝
Thank you very much, Christopher. Men like you keep the channel going.
I remember a bus depot in S/W Mt. We could go to warm up, etc, and take a magazine off the rack and look it over. One I enjoyed was The Ring, I'd follow some 60's fighters like Roger Rouse and Jose Torres. Heros Yup❕👀 G~G.
Another great piece of history, great work!
Thank you, Patmcstuff.
Dude had some pipes!!!
great video. i hope you’ll eventually cover the rest of the ferocious four in cornelius boza edwards and rolando navarette, specifically navarette, feels there’s alot to talk about with navarette. keep up the good work rich.
Thanks, MF Bozo. CBE coming up shortly.
Great video on Jose Torres one of the goats at light heavyweight. Keep it up Rich.
Thanks, Scorpio. Will do.
@@RichtheFightHistorian You're welcome Rich my man.
Another great doc Rich, I knew of Torres's career , but you covered some new areas.
Thank you, Phil.
Another great video💯🥊🔥🔥🔥 Rich is it possible to get a video of Jorge Paez?
Oh that would be great ! 👍. A true wild man , flamboyant colourful character to say the least - and no mean fighter ie multi weight campion right ? Cmon Rich .. please ! 😊
Yes, he's on the to do list.
haha, okay serenityinside1.
@RichtheFightHistorian greatly appreciated Rich your channel is truly the best on the legends and contenders in boxing💯🥊🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Excellent work Rich. Appreciate this. Unfortunately I don't know Torres career very well, except for his Dick Tiger losses. It's given me some research.! Bless 👊
Thank you, Nick.
Thanks for the video, RICH THE FIGHT HISTORIAN
Sure thing, abudujana.
Proud of my fellow Ponceño, a glory for Puerto Rico. I also tried to follow the boxing tradition of the island. My mother sums it best “ Thanks God that you studied something because boxing was not for you 😊”
Thanks for this one rich love hearing about one of Tysons mentors who was also a great fighter.
My pleasure, Jesse.
Thank you once again Rich.
My pleasure, Fernando.
A quality video about a quality boxer. Good job Rich.
Thank you, Lester.
wonderful documentary Rich
Thank you, Kim.
Great video!! 🔥🔥🔥
Roberto duran, Thomas hearns, Sugar Ray leonard, Salvador Sanchez any of these fighters documentaries would be fire 🔥🔥🔥
Duly noted, thanks BronxEmperor.
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you, The Green Law Channel.
Wow that's looks awesome for the times this has to be quite a lot of years ago, legend Richie 👍
Gloves sounded way different to now 1964 wow blows my mind
What Oz gloves did the heavyweights use in the 60s and before? Maybe the camera's then made it sound different on impact, this is the number one boxing channel
6 8s and 10s I googled lol that was awesome 👍
Thanks, bookah. In the Olson fight those were sound effects added in to silent film.
@@RichtheFightHistorian really? Pretty clever that for the times hadn't noticed it was a silent film, now you've told it makes sense, yeah enjoyed this one Richie
Beautiful, Rich.
Thanks, Scott.
Thanks Rich
Great profile
Sure thing, Cosmo.
Many thanx Mr Rich!
Sure thing, A Kleine.
Great champ
Thanks Rich
Sure thing, Ulises.
Great Video as always. I asked this awhile ago but could you do a video on Manuel Ramos. He was a Mexican heavyweight who challenged Joe Frazier while Frazier was champion. He was a rare fighter since even now there are not many Mexican heavyweights.
Thanks, Manuel. Pulgarcito is on the list but still a ways down. I'll get to him.
@RichtheFightHistorian Great I can't wait for your video on him
Thanks for the amazing video Rich ❤
My pleasure, John.
Woot woot
Another stellar biography. Rich you are the greatest!🥊🙏
Hey thanks, Baja.
I was in the Navy.
We ALL wanted to get out of standing guard or working in the kitchen.
😊😅😂😃😆
Yep
Great video as usual Rich, its interesting to note how Tom McNeeley fought two Peek'a'boo fighters before his son did 30 years later.
Was wondering what you personally thought held Torres back the most? How do you think he would have faired had he met Foster? I really wish they had duked it out after watching this video
Thanks, Alpha. I think Torres wanted to be other things other than a boxer. I'd give Foster the edge over him at that point.
Damn
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I was never a fan of the peek-a-boo style. It handcuffed fighters making it difficult to fight at a distance and also limiting the ability to see punches coming. Jose had lightning fast, powerful combinations. The first time I saw him fight was against Wayne Thornton, who was no pushover. The knockdown (I believe in the first round) seemingly came out of nowhere. In my opinion, Jose was an elite fighter who lacked the heart of a great champion, note the Tiger rematch. Thanks for another one Rich.
Styles make fighters. I agree, the peak-a-boo can be limiting, but for some fighters it can create limitless opportunities for power and defense.
Biggest issue with Cus fighters is that they either fit the peak-a-boo style or they washed out of D’Amato’s camp.
If Cus had a fighter like Ray Leonard who had a very loose and open style he would not have freedom to develop if he was locked into peak-a-boo. However, give a shorter powerful fighter like Tyson that loose open style and he would be done in a few rounds.
Where that bob and weave, shift into power with hands high on the face (the essential base of peak-a-boo) works best is with shorter fighters who need to generate power while being able to weave inside the opponent’s guard and cut off the retreat by being able to shift in and out of stances inside. This is how Patterson and Tyson, became the youngest heavyweight champions ever…but outside of Tyson, Torres and Patterson; what other champion fighters did Cus D’Amato’s style produce?
I could see why he always wanted to be around Tyson because he was very underated and was worthy of being that spotlight to hog Puerto Rico's finest technique
Peek a boo overrated imo too. Got a good rep cos of Tyson for sure - I don’t believe it always worked for even him personally.
When he knocked off Bobo he came the man on his game for more
Yeah that style is pretty limiting and takes a certain rhythm and build for it to work. The style definitely gained note cos of Tyson’s success especially in his prime
Jose never knocked down Floyd. Floyd slipped and reporters asked Jose if it was a knock down and Jose said it was. Floyd smacked him around bad in the next sparring session for it. This episode is written in Floyd's biography. Jose did terrible to Mike by exposing some nasty story in the book he wrote. Mike was gonna sue him, but he told Mike he has cassette recordings of their conversations to prove. It was Mike's stories to Jose as friends, not for the whole world to hear. their friendship ended just like that.
Facts
Fariello stated that Torres did knock Patterson down so I included it in the narrative. Patterson wasn't exactly Jake LaMotta so it isn't inconceivable that Torres could knock him down. They were close friends at one point but the relationship did cool...Torres believed it was because Patterson was jealous of him.
@@RichtheFightHistorian Who's Fariello? Was that his trainer? Of course they say that to sell their fighter's name. Jose said it too and Floyd smacked him around for lying. The story is in Floyd's biography "Victory Over Myself". Why Floyd jealous of Jose? Look at their record. When Floyd fired Cus, Jose criticized Floyd in public only to do the same a few years later. In the video you mentioned Cus was supporting Jose and Jose was royal to him at one point. Cus never took any percentage off Jose's purse. Cus was paying Jose and other fighters of his out of Floyd's account. Cus sold all rights of Floyd's fighting films to Jim Jacobs without telling anything to Floyd also. And "they" threatened Floyd for safty of Cus if he had beat Liston. There are so many stories that never have been told in media. Remember Liston only fought 4 championship bouts and 3 of them ended in 1 round. And only other one he quit. Do you believe they were for real ? And why Floyd wanted to think anything of Jose? It's like saying Ali was jealous of Jimmy Ellis or Willie Pastrano. It sounds off,doesn't it ?
@@himawalincat9350 Fariello was the trainer picked by D'Amato to take over the Gramercy Gym. Sounds like you have an anchoring bias with Patterson's book which is fine...You can believe either/or, I am reporting the the facts from Torres' perspective. I will say that your comparison of Torres with the likes of Ellis/Pastrano is way off. Torres had immense popularity as I alluded to in the video. Not only was he rubbing shoulders with the New York literati, he was entertaining the prospect of going into politics as he was friendly with RFK.
@@RichtheFightHistorian I'm not biased by the book. I've personally known them all. I was very close to Floyd. I was with him for over 25 years. Jose was never really nice or very friendly. I've fought guys from D'Amato stable in amateurs too. There are inside stories far from what was told by the media because they tend to lie or make things up. BTW Floyd was close with both JFK and RFK. He was in Big Brother joint with Robert. They nicknamed Floyd Gentleman of boxing after he died for good reasons. Jose was cold and not honest even to us kids in boxing game back in the days. Of course I listen to Floyd over him.
Joey Archer who was frustrated about being avoided at middleweight challenged Torres when champion Cus accepted then pulled out taking Eddie Cotton instead who had 20 losses .
Cus pulled a miracle with the Willie Pastrano win but like Patterson he protected him so much knowing he was on borrowed time undeserving opponent s and losing to an old Dick Tiger twice who was no lightheavyweight .
Torres won the second one
No mention of the Willy bag ?
Hi Rich, just watched, Tiger vs Torres 2, whole fight except 14th round . Had Torres winning 3 of first 4 rounds, Tiger winning most of the middle rounds, Torres coming on strong in the later rounds. If Torres won the 14th, I score the fight a draw. What's your score ?
Hi Andrew, it was a fight that was really tough to score as there was a lot of holding and hitting, IIRC. Your scorecard sounds on point.
Clicked on this one faster than Harry Greb going for the kill!
That must have been really quick ;) Thanks, Probstcast.
Why’d you cut out the singing at the end?
Copyright claim.
@@RichtheFightHistorian dang, I understand. Great video nonetheless as an avid Catskill Cus fan and Puerto Rican.
Interestingly, Torres does not appear to have been a troubled youth, unlike other other D'Amato students, such as Patterson and Tyson
Not troubled but poor
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Yep. Both my parents were poor. Neither were 'troubled'.
Rich you the man
Thanks, Marco.
I thought Joey Farriello claimed to have invented the "Peek-a-boo" style?
El Gran Chegüí
Do another liston video this time giving key truths like he was born 1917 and the two fights with ali were fixed by the mafia
No.
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Hey Jimmah... don't tell people what to do.
Jimmy... don't tell people what to do.
Jose's boxing is very similar to Tysons style..
RICH PLEASE DO SOME JUSTICE TO JOSE MONÓN GONZALES SOME DAY HE KNOCKS FLORENTINO FERNANDEZ AND RUBIN HURRICANE CARTER
I'll look into him, thanks.