LGR - Vintage Computer Pickups - Sound/Video Cards, MSX
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- Just a rambling video showing some awesome recent donations to Lazy Game Reviews! A whole bunch of retro PC video and sound cards, games, and MSX2 loveliness.
Many thanks to those who sent these!
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Watch my full review of the MSX 2 here:
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20k -> 1.1Mil in 7 years. Good on you LGR!
1.2 now. He's unstoppable. Haha. I enjoy the content anyways. Especially the thrift store shopping.
@@denniswoycheshen try 1.35 mill in 2020 :-)
@@denniswoycheshen Yes...more LGR thrift.
@@denniswoycheshen he is ... inevitable ... :)
1.44Mil in December 2020, he now has 3.5" floppy capacity :D
That ISA card with the 8-pin DIN I'm 90% sure is actually to go with a hand-held scanner. The wide expansion port on the Matrox card is almost certainly for a standalone MPEG decoder.
PhonicUK I know this is an old post but I van confirm that the DIN card is a handheld scanner controller card.
Quarantine... As I'm watching this in 2021, and watching all of LGR vids in chronological order... I can't wait to get to the review of the game based on what life has been like for a year.
20k viewers... you're sitting at 1.2 million now. Congrats, and happy to see you in better spirits.
Sound cards with IDE controllers and modems, video cards with parallel ports, what are they gonna come up with next, CPUs with built-in GPUs?
Early sound cards included IDE controllers as they offered early PC's the option to add a CD-ROM drive for CD audio. Sound cards and modems were integrated occasionally as the old dial up modems were based around analog audio data transfer.
Video cards with a parallel port are a little rarer, the parallel port would have been included for use with touch screen monitors in the days before USB touch controllers were standard.
As for CPUs with built-in GPUs, most modern Intel CPUs have built-in Intel HD graphics chips - www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/processors/000005568.html
you guys took him so literally, he was obv making a joke.
twas a joke, lad
wolarts the 1st sound blaster I saw had a controller for a pre-IDE Sony CD. By the time I bought my 1st cdrom they were all IDE, but for a long time SB cards had a 2nd IDE controller in a different i/o address, I think I have never connected anything to that ports.
I doubt that will ever happen, like how were never gonna see any CPU break the 4 GHz barrier.
I like how you show off your new things and you don't even try them yet, as if sharing your joy of nostalgia with some friends just as you got them.
One of the first channels ive found that is run by one person that is worth subscribing to since i started using youtube in 2007. Thanks for the videos mang
This is a lot of fun! I had an SB16 a long time back, but man, a whole system with games and software! You got some good people sending you great things!
Those cards do bring back memories from the 90s. The reason for so many audio cards were due to Multimedia Kits. The sound card/modem came in IBM value point machines.
Oh this is sooooooo taking me back.
I saw each of these as state if the art...then secondary stuff....then dusty on shelves and at flea markets.
Now...nostalgia...
I am looking forward to watch reviews of these delightful devices in action!
MN12Bird. A Ford Thunderbird enthusiast. 88-97. I had a 1991 Ford Thunderbird SuperCoupe. Supercharged V6 with 250HP to the rear wheels. Good times. Memories. MN12 is the body platform. I miss that car. It was ahead of its time.
I remember getting the Soundblaster 32 my first high end sound card. I was playing Daggerfall at the time, and while the soundtrack was decent, it was like night and day after I got the AWE working correctly in Roland emulation. I was blown away by the soundtrack quality compared to FM synthesis. It almost sounded like an orchestra was playing.
Oh man, I had a Gravis Gamepad, that thing was the Holy Grail of PC gaming in my childhood. I remember playing Jazz Jackrabbit on it as well alongside Commander Keen 4. Good stuff!
The first unknown card might be the interface card for a handheld scanner, as those used mini-DIN plugs. My first guess was a bus mouse controller, but the circuitry looks a bit too complex to be that.
The unknown sound card might be one of the Aztech Sound Galaxy series of SB and SBPro clones, as they used that kind of yellow circuit board. Many of those were built for use by OEMs such as Packard Bell.
And that Trident video card may not work without any RAM chips installed!
CirrusLogic, Trident, Tseng Labs, and later S3 made most of the VGA cards in the start of the Taiwan era, in the mid to late 90s. Matrox made the fastest and dual monitor cards, and I think they came from the high end CAD market. Best for straight framebuffer stuff, but didn't survive the 3d wars. From my inexact memory.
I had a old Packard bell in the mid 90s and it came with a cirrus logic video card with I think 1 megabyte of memory lol
My friend and I found one great use for those sound card/modems back then... making prank calls and recording them directly onto the computer.
I wish i discovered your channel today, so that i could've watched all of your awesome reviews for the first time again!
The Orchid 3Dfx is actually a 6MB version, which is pretty unique for a Voodo 1. If I remember correctly, you could play Diablo2 on GLide in these. Cool. Want one.
I actually just figured out what that card at 06:50 is! Turns out, I actually have a serial cable with 2 of the standard connectors, but with an additional connector that is basically a "Mini-Serial" of sorts. Also on some of the earlier Apple Macs the serial interface used the same miniDIN connector to save space, but I believe it is compatible with PC-serial.
Thanks for continuing to make great videos, cant wait for a new LGR Thrifts episode!
Would like to see a Tech Tales video about Creative :)
So would I, I was thinking about that a few hours ago.
+1 for a Creative episode!
Lucky you! I've got an MSX2 but it's an older unit with no floppy disk (a Wavy 23) and the cartridge-based floppy controllers and drives are really expensive and rare.
The MSX machines are a favourite of mine. Some amazing software.
I can still remember obtaining various used VGA cards when I was lucky, and I'd always do tests on things like the fill rate to determine which was best. I seem to remember that Trident always came out ahead.
The Matrox Millennium I and II's daughterboard was for extra video ram. Mine had it installed. I was a fan of Matrox for a short while, mostly for games like Flight Simulator. Though Half-Life wouldn't work on it; most of the textures were black. Then I got a Voodoo, at which point the Matrox was only there to handle my 2D. Though once I got the Voodoo3, it was time to retire the Matrox Millennium II entirely.
I belive this was the first LGR video that I saw probably about 3 or 4 years ago. I was browsing some videos to help me sleep and I found this. Since than I have been a follower of yours mr. LGR. Great videos and you are now may favorite youtuber
Glad to hear you stuck around :)
Thank you man :)
I am so happy that you just said the Soundblaster 16 CT2290 is one of the best models. I just bought a fully working one! It cost me £55, which I consider to be OK. Certainly better value than some of the other retro parts I have bought.
More than half a mil subs now bro congrats. I still enjoy ur videos. Love old Pc stuff from my childhood.
really looking forward to the msx system review! please do it as soon as possible
The 27 pin connector also connected to a box that would let you hook up to an extra couple monitors.
Keep up the good work mate. Loving all the vintage pc reviews and old dos games etc.This brings back lots of awesome memories starting from my microbee PC!
Quarantine, Man I can't wait for the review. Awesome memories, and despite it's bugs and quirks, a game WAY ahead of it's time.
I think honestly I would really like to see some quickies of the floppy disks you got with the computer. That would probably be interesting and it looks like you have a good selection there.
I've come across several of these cards when I worked at a computer shop two years ago and decided to start building Windows 98 machines. Pretty crazy things.
That Rage 3D Card is actually an 8Meg Card.
4 Meg onboard with another 4meg over the SO-DIMM socket.
And it is SGRAM -> Synchroumous Graphics RAM, so pretty awsome for that time...
And probably best of the class of what ATI had at the time...
As for the Matrox Millenium:
That really is a 2meg card.
The connectors on the card are either for memory upgrade or for the Matrox Rainbow Runner video editing thingy...
@phreakindee You are welcome. That 27 pin connector you are talking about, was actually for the breakout box where you plugged in the video and audio input.
The Matrox Millenium was an awesome card. It was actually very tolerable in installing 2 Matroxes or 1 Matrox and another one, to generate the dual screens. Awesome card. A lot of cards i have too, including a variety of the Trident TVGA8900 and 9000, but also the Mwave modem. The one i have runs 33.6kbps. One of the nicest cards i have is a Dialogic D4/PCI, which has 4 RJ11 ports. To come back on the SB16: there are PNP versions for ISA-slots and at that time a whole bunch of people couldn't believe ISA could be PNP, yet i had the proof. Also notable mentions in my collection: OTI VGA 077, Terratec DMX Fire 1024, Creative 3D Blaster Banshee, Creative Vibra16 and even some cards which had a VESA local bus (VLB). Cool hardware :)
I remember pairing my Matrox with a Voodoo and loving it.
@7:25 - that's an 8 bit Sound Blaster 2.0 clone made by Anchor Electronics - an Anchor Electronics Media Concept 2.0 to be exact.
Yep, it even has empty sockets for gameblaster chips which was a total waste of circuitry.
Anchor electronics made just about the best beach metal detector back in the day, the barracuda pulse induction, they still fetch silly money today in good working condition, so much so that there have been 3 attempts to clone the hardware using modern chips, but they are inferior to the original and no one clone has all the features of the Anchor built units, a masterpiece of metal detector technology that was way before its time.
Ooh! I had a Matrix Millennium II. If I remember correctly, It had a really weird 3D system that I only ever found 1 game that supported it (Twisted Metal 2). Nice 2D card otherwise.
I had that Matrox Millenium card, the daughter card was a video capture module, which I had back then, which allowed me to watch tv through feeding it SVHS in and audio in. It was awesome.
That thing at ~7:05 could be a Mouseport Card.
Have the same port on an ATI MACH32 ISA Card. So your guess with 'some kind of serial connection' isn't wrong.
The Matrox Millenium was one of the best PCI cards of the Time. 3D Acceleration was useless for games but you'd want that card for a Voodoo Setup because of the Amazing 2D Quality (doesn't filter too much and makes the picture blurry).
And the Ports you put your Finger on was for Memory Upgrades. And the Rainbow Runner Video Editing update Module. Rather Rare but should be amazing for the time...
I had a rainbow runner. Allowed me to edit video at decent resolution and full frame rate. MJPEG compression. Had a breakout cable for the non-vga port on the back of the Millennium. I forget what CPU I had at the time. But it really worked great.
I don't know how did you manage not to play with all those cool new toys that you have. Can't wait for more videos. Oh and happy 20 K subs.
The IBM MWave card sold with IBM Aptivas during the mid '90s. It was SoundBlaster Pro compatible (though not SB16 compatible in my tests with most MS-DOS games). It also had an integrated 28.8 kbps fax/modem. IBM stopped supporting the MWave card around 1996, which created serious problems for early DirectX/Windows 95 games. As a result, most of us swapped the MWave for an SB16 and 56k modem. Finding drivers for the MWave will be a pain unless you have an original Aptiva recovery CD.
Did you ever review Quarantine? That was a great game from the mid 90's - fond, fond memories of screaming pedestrians and a really great soundtrack. It had elements of gameplay that would later be refined in the Grand Theft Auto series. It was also interesting because the soundtrack was essentially audio tracks on the game's CD-ROM that followed the data part of the CD, and when playing the game you could essentially put any audio CD and listen to it while playing the game. Another interesting fact - it was developed for the PC and 3DO. It is a bit of a cult classic. Would love to see your review of it if you have time to review it!
PS. I discovered your channel a week ago and I have been watching your videos non-stop every day since. You are the most down-to-earth and naturally funny TH-camr I've ever seen here. Your channel is my favorite! Thanks for making wonderful videos for all of us to enjoy! :)
The channel Accursed Farms on TH-cam runs a show called the Game Dungeon and some years ago Quarantine was reviewed on that channel. Not by LGR but a comedic but insightful review none the less. Language is more colorful than LGR's more educational style.
The sound card at 8 minutes, with volume at the back seems to be a Sound Blaster 1.5. One of the 1st Sound Blasters ever. Try to run it and find the software Dr. Sbaitso. Very funny. It answers questions using the voice channel, which was the new feature of this board, comparing to Sound Blaster 1.0. Keep doing great vídeos. Enjoying a lot of your channel. Thanks!
i think it would be neat to show vintage computer stuff and show how much we have come from it by showing new parts like processors maybe mother boards and sound cards maybe even video cards
I think im in love with your voice over skills
That AWE32 was a monster. I have a SB32 PNP, and it's not much smaller. I've also got several Matrox cards -- a couple of Milleniums MGAs, a Mystique, and a G400. They were the 2D cards of choice to pair up with a Voodoo (due to their high-quality signals). The G400 was a good 3D card in it's own right when it came out -- comparable to a TNT2.
Congrats on the 20k subs!
Carnivore Bear
I think he’s gonna find a lot of success in the future!!!
I think I speak for everybody when I say that you really NEED to review that NV1 card! Always wanted one, never could find one...
That Orchid Righteous 3D - Voodoo1-card! It pretty decent game bundle: Mech Warrior 2, Descent 2, Terminal Velocity, Fatal Racing (Whiplash), Microsoft Monster Truck
Can't wait for the MSX reviews ! I have the same one from a yard-sale together with boxed games (vampire killer,...) and a phillips monitor .... 3 euros :D
As for the AWE64's expansion modules, a 3rd party company in Singapore manufactures AWE64 memory add-on adapters that allow for standard 72-pin SIMMs to be used with an AWE64 or AWE64 Gold (the products are called SIMCONN and SIMCONN Gold). They work pretty well, as long as the memory is 60 ns EDO RAM (non-parity, unbuffered). Memory upgrades for these cards (even the AWE32) are worth it if you want to hear sets of high quality MIDI instruments.
Quarantine! A little late to the party, but I would love to see a review by you of this.
Hey, dude...
I removed the metal trim from a modem expansion card, and I used it as a body ground link to mount a taillamp to a bicycle with a 12 volt negative ground system, and to be specific, I used a flame-shaped LED ornament you plug into a cigarette lighter 12 volt outlet, and I did some special wiring trick to convert it to a permanent but fashionable taillamp for a bicycle.
Your microphone is absolutely AWESOME!!!
Hi! The daughter card for the matrox graphix card is called "Rainbow Runner" and is a pretty sweet video capture card. If I remember correctly the second port on the card is not for multisync monitors but for video input etc. :)
"Oh Shit" is actually a pretty fun Pac-Man clone. A friend of mine had it on his MSX back in the day. One of the first games I ever saw that had voice samples. The ghosts were called Joey, Paul, Willy and Frankie (why do I still remember all that?!) and were also announced through voice samples.
RE: Sound Blaster AWE64 - I think colour coding is a great idea that makes life a little bit easier when you have several jack sockets that look the same, but serve very different purposes. Why is it a great idea? Well it's been well over a decade since I've owned an AWE64, so obviously I don't remember the connector layout, but just by looking at the colour of the jacks I can tell what each one is for: black - speaker out, green - line out, pink - microphone, blue - line in.
I had a computer with a 3D Rage Pro and K6-2 300mhz. I loved it!
An absolute crapload of servers came with onboard ATI Rage and derivatives/clone cards up until the mid 2000. Quite a few insight boards that replaced the need for a GPU still used the Rage as their chip.
The ATI Rage, Rage II(c), Rage Pro, Rage XL, Rage 128 and LT were the Nokia 3210 of GPU land. Rock stable and all the ones I have still work without Issue.
The SB AWE64 sold (if I recall) in both the standard and gold editions. The connectors at the back of the card were for the SoundFont memory expansion, which, unfortunately, required Creative's proprietary memory modules (they went away from the standard 30-pin SIMMs used in the AWE32). The SB AWE64 gold is different in that it uses RCA audio outputs in the back to significantly improve the signal-to-noise ratio. Unfortunately, the memory upgrade modules are extremely rare.
Loving the non surface mount resistors, juicy!
Yeah, Quarantine! Can't wait for that review!
The first magazine was a collection of maps for the game Gradius.
"this card is awesome!" *proceeds to not use card for 10 years*
Congrats on the 20k subs! Loved the show from the start!
20,000 subscribers back in late 2011... And now in 2018 you have roughly 930,000...
you've come such a long way, Clint!
10:10 " i'm not calling people stupid, I'm just calling them ignorant "
now that would make a really good t-shirt phrase
That 8-bit ISA card with the mini-DIN REALLY looks like the controller for the old Logitech hand scanner (remember that POS? :-) )
Thanks for sharing! Memories... surging... back... through synapses!
I once had both a Gravis Ultrasound and a SB AWE32. The Gravis was a bitch to get to work, it's compatibility was a bit low and it didn't work out to well with my MOD/S3M production at the time. I ended up trading it for something I wanted more, which was probably stupid in retro.
The AWE32 was sweet, before it died years later. The on board synth was like an EMU Proteus, came in handy with Sound Fonts and music in general.
@phreakindee the 27 pin connector was for the breakoutbox that allowed you to connect video in and audio in for the video module. And I think they are rather hard to find. I got mine from a guy in the UK who gave me the module in exchange for editing some videos for him.
Man, I can't believe I still have 3 of these cards, SB64, Matrox Millennium and Righteous 3D. I'm not a collector I just never throw things away. My 2ft Voltron can attest to that.
And yes, the added RAM on the AWE32 did make a big difference in terms of performance, especially when using it to emulate an MT-32 :)
I had one SB16 With a Volume control on the back years ago. They are quite rare.
Fuck yeah! Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum! I had their MEMPHIS multimedia kit which was extremely sweet looking, with big speakers you could use on the vertical position or horizontal attached to the CD-ROM external bay. In my memory it sounded awesome, loud, rich and balanced. Good times...
I made a playlist of this x 4 and it puts me to sleep. Thank you. It is just about the best thing ever.
Hi. I had a realtek VGA like yours in my first PC and it was crap. I changed it for a 32bits VLB, and then for a S3-864 VLB, which was great. The AWE32 was marvellous. I resold it to a musician, with a Roland add-on and 28 MB of RAM. About the Matrox video cards, Matrox made video capture add-on cards with Zoran hardware MJPEG, and the DB27 or DB15 depending on the model was made to hook the video input and output cables.
I had one of those Diamond Monster 3D Voodoo cards in the first PC I had, was just awesome "back in the day" ;)
I had one of those AWE32 cards back in the day. I popped a couple of old Mac sims into it in order to load more sound fonts to play around with. =)
That mystery card at around 7 minutes is a scanner card.
It used a handheld document scanner.
Oh man, saw you pick up that old Voodoo 1 and has a mini nostalgia-gasm. Great video.
That is an awesome chair!!!!! oh, and the MSX is pretty cool, too.
I had a Matrox Millennium back in the day. It was a very nice 2d accelerator. If memory serves (excuse the pun) it came with 1Mb video ram and those two plugs were indeed for an extra 1Mb upgrade. Mine didn't have that oddball plug on it though.
ahhhhhh ! the Gravis Gamepad :) i had several renditions. glorious nostalgia.
The Panasonic MSX2+ with the built in FDD was awesome...and yes you could make disks in your PC the run on it...you can run the Metal Gear 2 ENG hacked version if you can't understand Japanese...
The white connector was for cd audio and the ide connector was for the cdrom itself. classic !
30 pin SIM's were not yet EDO, it predated that, the sound-blaster you have there needs 30 pin non parity memory.
The card at 7:15 looks like an old hand scanner card or possibly a mouse card, some mice did not have a serial/PS2 interface
I remember the Matrox video card. I tried to play Destruction Derby II without it, and it wouldn't load *ouch*. All these car games of the late 90s bring back fond memories.
Man, what an exciting haul.
my dad worked for philips. that's the version we had at home and I've kept it since... :D
The more I watch the video the deeper nostalgia trip your taking my into , I really miss my Voodoo 1 ,wish I could get my claws on one again.
PS That Rage Pro will ether have 4 meg or 8 megs onboard(with the upgrade), and supports Direct X 6.0 acceleration ,thus like you said making it a perfect complement to a Vooddoo 1 or 2 as you could have Directx and glide acceleration running in perfect harmony :)
Regarding "value editions", while I don't know much about how things were on your side of the pond, the "value editions" of hardware often came with less bundled software, which might well have been the main difference for the creative cards.
I had an AWE32 back in the day... I don't know about yours, but mine took 30-pin memory, and capped out at 2MB of RAM on it because you couldn't get 30-pin with more than 1MB per SIMM. And the card you're holding up while I type this (about 7:00) is a bus mouse controller. :) The sound card right after it looks like a Zoltrix SB 16 knockoff (that I also had back in the day). Will post another when you run into more that I can help with. ;) keep making the vids, love 'em. :)
8-pin DIN card could be a rare later Apple Localtalk interface card, but those mostly had the older DB9 port on them. A Zilog 8530 is usually a dead giveaway on those, at least the eariler ones.
The 2nd unknown card screams Soundblaster 2.0 clone card to me, the missing chips are likely for CMS support. If there is an FCC ID on these mystery cards, run it and see what comes up!
I had the Orchid Righteous 3D card, notable since it was the first retail VooDoo 1 board on the market.
I remember the MWave from an old Acer Aspire. They were ok (save for certain NES emulators back in the 90s having odd sound issues when set to higher frequencies) for the time, but had a crippling flaw. You cannot use the card's wavetable features at the same time as the modem. Thankfully cards like the ones you've shown featured a header for daughterboards like Roland's SCB-55 or Yamaha's DB50XG. Or one could possibly use an external module as well. Because we all like looking at displays.
Fascinating as always!!
at 7:00, this is a Bus mouse card, it was a propriatery mouse port used with more professional and apparently more accurate than RS232 or PS2
Loving the expansion card porn here. I'm mostly a retro console gamer these days, but there's a special place in my heart for last century PC hardware as well. Hard to get any of it here, no major metro areas nearby, but I'm working on building up a collection of Pentium II era stuff.
24:56 Cool! It has a Scart output! Great stuff.
The Matrox Millenium was 1mb, upgradeable to 4mb by use of the expansion-bus.
There was also a Matrox Millenium II which had 2mb, upgradeable to 8mb, in much the same way.
The main focus of the card was to produce high quality 2d resolutions and was considered one of the best in that regard at an affordable price.
Matrix also released a lower-cost card at this time: Mystique, which was similar to the S3 Virge cards.
Finally, at the turn of the century, Matrox also gave the 3DFX a run for its money with the M3D-card at half the price, which came with 2mb and lacked any kind of output. The card had to rely on the cpu for doing rendering to your regular graphics card, which really affected the framerate.
However, if you had a Pentium II 266Mhz (with the 100Mhz memory bus) or faster, alternatively a dual Pentum MMX system at 233Mhz or more, both the 3DFX and the M3D would perform much the same on Windows NT 4.0 (Windows 96 & 98 lacking multiprocessor support).
There was also a less known quirk about the M3D: if you put two cards in the same system and ran Windows NT 4.0, the M3D on the highest priority PCI slot would actually use the memory of both cards, enabling much higher resolution without drop in framerate.
So is the Matrox Millenium II worth getting? I'd say: definitely if you want that crisp 24bit 1600x1200@120hz resolution on your trusted CRT-monitor! :-D
Thanks for a great review!
Henrik Johansson my millenium 1 had 4mb wram. Payed 1200 for it
@20:36 The daughter board for the Matrox Millenium 2 was a TV Tuner card.