Some points from an E1 owner. The neck roll in the E2 is better - the E1 has plastic pins that were difficult to reinstall properly without snapping off, and I can see in the video that now there are some holes at the ends which snap onto little stubby pegs in the shell (you can't see them in the video but probably are the same as the E1). I've also bought and scratched 2 tinted shields over 5 years - when you flip it up, the bottom of the visor is super close to the shield, and the flexible visor can scuff the shield, which has a crazy thin and fragile coating, so be careful cleaning them. Also Spurg complains about how hard it is to remove the inner pads but at this point in the video I can see velcro where there used to be a plastic zipper that was hard to open after getting sweaty a few times - th-cam.com/video/g-AWmRAQL9M/w-d-xo.html There are similar more comprehensive videos from the UK, one shop has custom fitting and will swap the liner pieces without charging you for every permutation - it gets complicated! See here th-cam.com/video/gvsOh91-EN8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Motolegends
Not to correct Spuregeon, by the way, yes with earplug you can hear the com better, That said, the thingy to lock the chinbar up, it's there so they can homologate the helmet as a Jet or Fullface, which is required in some country in Europe (for Shure Italy) and yes, in some places you can get a ticket for that!
Correct Diego, although in the US we don't call it a dual-homologation button since DOT does not have 2 tests for open / full face. So we just refer to it by its function - locking the chin bar in the upright position which isn't something the US tickets for. Thanks for watching!
@@user-jm8ky1kn2t it's because there are different models made of each helmet for Euro and USA to meet different standards. DOT is an ancient trash standard. That info comes straight from Schuberth.
Seriously, at this price point not having at least 3 shell sizes is just taking a piss. And honestly, even 3 would still be subpar. I want a helmet that fits inside and outside proportionally. Not an oversized bucket.
You can customise the fit at no cost to yourself. Go into your dealer and they should do it free of charge. Schuberth only made two sizes, the customisation of internals is why. Try it, you won't be disappointed.
@@neilbancroft1132 No no no. You can only customize certain sizes. And the size S which I wear is not one of them. Also I refuse to wear an L sized shell on my S sized head. That is the issue I have. No amount of customization will change the fact that I would have wear on my head something that is a lot larger than it needs to be. Just because Schuberth are to cheap to manufacture a $700 helmet in more than 2 shell sizes.
@@MrFerisko not according to what I've experienced in the UK. Mine fits perfectly. Changed a few of the interior pads until I was happy. I have both the E1 and E2. Best helmets I've worn and I've worn/used many of them.
Replacing my E1 with this bad boy. Sounds like an all-round improvement. Was my first ratchet-strap helmet after living with D-rings for years...now i can't go back! They're even throwing in speakers/antenna preinstalled these days, that's fantastic! One thing about the E1 was the peak being draggy on the highway, sad to see that's still a problem but you can't defy physics.
Beware of the visor, on the C5 there was a lot of quality problem with the mechanism (yes on a 700+ Euro helmet it's what you want!)... especially the 'memory'', it don't work half the time!
@@starfish7679 They tend to work when new. Give it a couple months. The mechanism gets looser and then the visor does not hold in open position. Then it's warranty time, otherwise riding over small bump closes it for you every time :o)
I've got this helmet, it fit's nicely but that's about it, it's loud, it's Breezy with everything locked down which means that it leaks water when it rains, getting the visor up is a pain in the ass, searching for the button to release the chin bar a bigger pain in the ass, good money thrown away and I can't believe that schuberth would release something this flawed
Yeah, shame that brands like Shoei / Schuberth and some others just ditch it when they come into the US. Not for all models, but usually the Modulars get the short-end of the stick
@@Geshmaal Some guys complain that they don't even qualify but it's not that they can't. They just don't because they get qualified by our own standards. Which may not be as good a standard. But it's all they need for u.s. sale. If they sell a helmet with ece in some markets but not others, it's just a marketing thing. Has nothing to do with the safety functionality. Takes a whole 5 min of research to figure out if a helmet meets standard even if it isn't stickered in the u.s. as such.
@@Geshmaal That's a great question. Are there any differences in materials or manufacturing? I've worked in compliance, and I know that many companies resent the cost of testing and evaluation by a certified test lab. The lab will want to evaluate all sizes and configurations across all models, so it really adds up. But it's also inefficient to run two separate manufacturing operations for each model, so... If it meets ECE requirements for Europe, my guess it's the same product in the US and they just decided not to pay for the additional tests and reports.
You can see that i got burned with the C5? No, the thingy on the side it's the place for the remote control, which is wireless and requires a battery!, all the thinghy that you need for the intercom are on the back in the battery (sorry Spurgeon), you can use it without the remote on..., and speaking on the battery the life is long (like 12 hours of music) but you can not charge it while using it all for 320+ euro! (unless it's been updated on the ne hardware, there is a change in something on the SC2, but no news on what it is).
Just bought one. Fits well but not happy with the top vent at all. Will be returning it. Took a couple hundred mile ride in temperatures ranging from 67f to 72f and my head was freezing cold at highway speeds. Closing the top vent did nothing to keep the air from flowing through the helmet and the location of the vent holes blows cold air directly onto the top forward portion of your head. After about 30 minutes of riding my head was freezing almost like a brain freeze after drinking a really cold drink. I couldn’t imagine riding in the winter time with this helmet.
@@RevZilla Ah! Didn't know that about previous Schuberth versions. I'm fixated on ECE certification for my next helmet. Guess I'll look elsewhere. Like Europe.
11:57 why would it have European tags if it only has DOT certification? Anyway, do goggles fit on this one? The face shield doesn't have the usual adventure shape that I associate with goggle compatibility.
Schuberth just installs all the same material, country of origin, etc tags in their helmets at the factory. And small goggles will work with this lid, but nothing with an oversized goggle frame (ie 100% Racecraft / Armega, Leatt 6.5 etc)
I have the E1 and the peak is definitely a problem at highway speed. It sucks that you need to carry around the extra fasteners to keep the visor on since, as he mentioned here, they do t come off the peak. I was real hoping they’d fix that. I forgot them on a recent ride and had to have the peak on on the highway for 3 hours. Just awful.
I'm no Johnnie Lawfollower myself, but just FYI if you bought it from Europe (CB) that helmet is not legal for use on public roads in the US. No DOT sticker = illegal
“Road noise is subjective” With all the Revzilla resources they could literally design a standardized test with a head and torso simulator in the center of the helmet. You could reach out to Fortnine or LTT for help or tips on increasing the value of these reviews. They really do put out the best ones. I assume the reason you don’t do any real testing is because as a seller of these products you are incentivized not to highlight their major flaws. Decibels however are NOT subjective and with the right testing equipment you could provide details about the kind and frequency of the sounds coming through.
Love the idea, and its one we thought of doing a few times but we run into the same issues as helmet manufacturers do: it wouldn't really provide results that customers can experience out on the road. Schuberth does their dB rating tests, but always follows it up with the * after that says "only on our bike, at our speed, with our rider, in our wind tunnel, on X bike" bc the test isn't something most riders will be able to replicate. Definitely a good idea, but not something that is large-scale and will benefit most riders (not just those that Geek out on dB ratings of standardized tests like you and I). Champion does a decent test if you're curious on comparisons, but its not perfect. I head up the product testing for ZLA and even though I think the "all the RevZilla resources" is flattering for our small team over here ha, I'd rather take the time / budget and run out into real world situations are bring that feedback into our reviews. We were out in the Mojave desert for the Get On ADV Fest last week and had this helmet out testing around which was great. Appreciate the comments F, feel free to keep them coming. Always happy to chat products and reviews etc. 🤙 ** add on BTW - we are referring to road noise (real life application) being subjective since it depends on rider's arm length, windshield height, torso length, bike, bike aero, speed, etc - we aren't suggesting that dB's are somehow subjective. Just the way riders experience them have too many factors to label it one or the other.
@@patrickmchugh8039 Thank you for the response. I understand that individual’s perceptions can change however the point of performing scientific/objective tests is both to fact check the manufacturers and be able to have consistent comparisons between helmets. This is the same as with headphones or earphones. Each persons perceptions can be different however when they are all tested to the same standard they can be compared with one another. A person can say ok I have this shoei helmet, revzillas tests had it at this decibel and the frequency response was this. They can then take that information and understand how another helmet might compare. Your tests might differ from the manufacturers but if you test out all your helmets consistently people can use your videos and resources as comparisons between one another. It is not about riders being able to replicate it. I understand that in person testing is much more fun for your team however an investment in to some objective tools should be considered a priority at this point in your companies lifecycle. Same with waterproofing, same with abrasion tests. They do not have to supplant your subjective tests however they should be supplementing them for a full picture. Testing equipment is a one-time cost for a continuous and permanent step up in the quality and content of your review videos. Seriously, I would like to see you guys grow more and continue to help the community. You should be able to pool your resources with cycle gear to get the equipment and post the data on both your sites and have it at their stores for research
@@patrickmchugh8039 I think though that as riders we know a common quiet helmet be it arai/shoei/schuberth etc. and as riders the revzilla team would have probably used a lot of helmets. Therefore an opinion such as " I have tried a lot of helmets and on the same bike in relatively the same conditions this helmet is quieter than a "insert helmet here " but not as quiet as " insert helmet here ". is super helpful. I mean same person + same bike + same relative conditions they are going to notice a difference and have an opinion. Right now I am none the wiser as to if this is a quieter ( based on the testers experience ) helmet or not. I can only go by a db measurement which is in itself fraught with problems as to how it was tested and what type of db was measured etc. What is acceptable quiet or not, is not the question. The question is how quiet is the helmet compared to other helmets to that tester. But that might sit on the fence of favourable bias which as a store essentially you cant do... daamn dont want your job ! Thanks for taking the time to come out and actually talk about that side of the testing regime.
@@theobviouschicken For sure, always happy to chat testing and products. Something to keep in mind is that we do try and give our opinion on "not very loud", "slightly loud", "average noise levels" during every helmet - we just don't call out other models (unless talking about the replacement helmet which we try to mention) like a leader board. Honestly, we shoot nearly a hundred new helmets a year so there isn't really any official leader board and the tough part is: What Spurgeon or Brandon find to be a loud helmet, I might find to be quiet and vice versa. Or Brandon and I might love a helmet's sound levels but Spurgeon didn't, etc. There are so many variables based on experience that its really just getting as many miles into it and forming our opinion. I think a lot of people expect some scientific process (which I'm sure is feasible from someone with endless cashflow), but we just give professional-based opinions having all ridden in 1000s of helmets over our tenure at ZLA. Hopefully that helps a bit, I'm always monitoring the TH-cam comments section of our videos too if you ever have questions. 🤙
@@user-jm8ky1kn2t Love the ideas / concept, and hope somebody is able to build something along those lines one day. I don't personally think it would be us and it would likely be a overseeing body like the EU or the brands themselves that pool the capital to standardize test things across the board (like the abrasion testing you mentioned which is tested by the EU via the Darmstadt machine). Having the data would certainly be cool, and I implore anyone interested in it to pursue it and maybe create their own TH-cam channel going after it. I'll chat with the team to see if we can improve the information we call out in videos though, maybe something that will help most riders out there without just tossing data out there. Thanks again, 🤙
Plain Stupid that 2023 SENA can't talk to Cardo.... I will try the App "Chain" and see how it works. EU (being an European) should really force these companys to have compability between each other.
There are indeed 2 separate helmets. One for the american market with only DOT approval and a separate helmet for europe with ECE approval. The smallest US helmet is 1970g w/ accessories and the european helmet is 1830g. So not only is the European helmet safer, it is also 150g lighter
Correct, this has been the case for a few generations of Schuberth, believe the last ECE was the C3 generations. Same with the Shoei Neotec 2 and GT-Air 2 etc. Some HJCs as well.
I don't know about "scummy", but it's what they have been doing for 2 generations of helmets at this point. Same with brands like Shoei and HJC etc, although sometimes they change the name of the helmet (usually when SNELL requires it though). They are just building the helmets to the standards of the host-country so in the end, its really the DOT's fault for being archaic.
@@patrickmchugh8039 DOTs fault? Buying a safer ECE helmet cheaper than a Revzilla DOT Ebay lid shoukd come down to personal choice. DOT is the minimum, and it should be changed, but personal choice buys the ece.
@@LexGrossmansDog I blame DOT, especially in this instance, because they haven't updated their standard in decades. So brands have to conform to it to make things LEGAL to sell in the US. Y'all can buy whatever you want from wherever with whatever standard your heart desires. I'll only recommend whats legal to do in the US though, which is a DOT helmet if riding on the road. Technically you can blame Schuberth too if you wanted, but they are also just making a helmet that they are legally allowed to sell in the US. They can either make a DOT / ECE helmet that is all around not great for their biggest market (EU), or just make a DOT specific model with the US's requirements for our smaller market. Blame whoever you want, do whatever you want. You're an adult and freedom is free
ECE is not a safer helmet. Look at the test requirements. DOT is slightly heavier because it require two impacts in the same place vs ECE only requiring one. Both helmets are safe and will protect your head. But to make a comment that isn’t supported by the facts is just nonsense.
@@Waldo1122 what r&d?? schubert makes nice helmets so why not this one? I don't know maybe "adventurers" lol want to look like that on purpose. ugly bikes ugly clothes ugly helmets, maybe there's a pattern 🤔
Check out the Schuberth E2 Helmet here! rvz.la/3VkUx8e
Straight out of Halo, would love to customize that helmet
exactly why I clicked
Definitely carter's helmet, want it for this reason alone
Some points from an E1 owner. The neck roll in the E2 is better - the E1 has plastic pins that were difficult to reinstall properly without snapping off, and I can see in the video that now there are some holes at the ends which snap onto little stubby pegs in the shell (you can't see them in the video but probably are the same as the E1). I've also bought and scratched 2 tinted shields over 5 years - when you flip it up, the bottom of the visor is super close to the shield, and the flexible visor can scuff the shield, which has a crazy thin and fragile coating, so be careful cleaning them.
Also Spurg complains about how hard it is to remove the inner pads but at this point in the video I can see velcro where there used to be a plastic zipper that was hard to open after getting sweaty a few times - th-cam.com/video/g-AWmRAQL9M/w-d-xo.html
There are similar more comprehensive videos from the UK, one shop has custom fitting and will swap the liner pieces without charging you for every permutation - it gets complicated! See here th-cam.com/video/gvsOh91-EN8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Motolegends
Not to correct Spuregeon, by the way, yes with earplug you can hear the com better, That said, the thingy to lock the chinbar up, it's there so they can homologate the helmet as a Jet or Fullface, which is required in some country in Europe (for Shure Italy) and yes, in some places you can get a ticket for that!
If they have this helmet in europe why is there no ECE rating for the US? Do they have two separate models with one being safer in europe?
The chinbar lock is rather flimsy. I wouldn't really trust it
Correct Diego, although in the US we don't call it a dual-homologation button since DOT does not have 2 tests for open / full face. So we just refer to it by its function - locking the chin bar in the upright position which isn't something the US tickets for. Thanks for watching!
@@user-jm8ky1kn2t it's because there are different models made of each helmet for Euro and USA to meet different standards. DOT is an ancient trash standard. That info comes straight from Schuberth.
Seriously, at this price point not having at least 3 shell sizes is just taking a piss. And honestly, even 3 would still be subpar. I want a helmet that fits inside and outside proportionally. Not an oversized bucket.
You can customise the fit at no cost to yourself. Go into your dealer and they should do it free of charge. Schuberth only made two sizes, the customisation of internals is why. Try it, you won't be disappointed.
@@neilbancroft1132 No no no. You can only customize certain sizes. And the size S which I wear is not one of them. Also I refuse to wear an L sized shell on my S sized head. That is the issue I have. No amount of customization will change the fact that I would have wear on my head something that is a lot larger than it needs to be. Just because Schuberth are to cheap to manufacture a $700 helmet in more than 2 shell sizes.
@@MrFerisko not according to what I've experienced in the UK. Mine fits perfectly. Changed a few of the interior pads until I was happy. I have both the E1 and E2. Best helmets I've worn and I've worn/used many of them.
Replacing my E1 with this bad boy. Sounds like an all-round improvement. Was my first ratchet-strap helmet after living with D-rings for years...now i can't go back! They're even throwing in speakers/antenna preinstalled these days, that's fantastic!
One thing about the E1 was the peak being draggy on the highway, sad to see that's still a problem but you can't defy physics.
Look I might have bought this purely because it looks like a spartan helmet from halo 1&2 but no green option? NO ECE? forget it huge miss
Beware of the visor, on the C5 there was a lot of quality problem with the mechanism (yes on a 700+ Euro helmet it's what you want!)... especially the 'memory'', it don't work half the time!
The memory on my e2 works every time. I got one imported a few weeks ago
@@starfish7679 They tend to work when new. Give it a couple months. The mechanism gets looser and then the visor does not hold in open position. Then it's warranty time, otherwise riding over small bump closes it for you every time :o)
@@MrFerisko haha was waiting for that comment!
The Schuberth Euro and USA helmets are now all different. It's not a good test to compare the Euro model to the USA version any more.
looks straight out of halo
As a c3 pro owner I am extremely happy. There are some people sho are un happy but its been excellent for me.
The tag has the manufacture date (at least it does on the C4) which would be important to keep attached to the helmet.
I have the C4 pro carbon and no, that's not the only place.
I've got this helmet, it fit's nicely but that's about it, it's loud, it's Breezy with everything locked down which means that it leaks water when it rains, getting the visor up is a pain in the ass, searching for the button to release the chin bar a bigger pain in the ass, good money thrown away and I can't believe that schuberth would release something this flawed
Its 2023… if helmets don’t come with ECE they don’t exist in my book
Facts
Yeah, shame that brands like Shoei / Schuberth and some others just ditch it when they come into the US. Not for all models, but usually the Modulars get the short-end of the stick
UK based here, is it not safe to assume the US version of these helmets meets ECE22.06 like the one we get in Europe? If not that's a shame!
@@Geshmaal Some guys complain that they don't even qualify but it's not that they can't. They just don't because they get qualified by our own standards. Which may not be as good a standard. But it's all they need for u.s. sale.
If they sell a helmet with ece in some markets but not others, it's just a marketing thing. Has nothing to do with the safety functionality. Takes a whole 5 min of research to figure out if a helmet meets standard even if it isn't stickered in the u.s. as such.
@@Geshmaal That's a great question. Are there any differences in materials or manufacturing?
I've worked in compliance, and I know that many companies resent the cost of testing and evaluation by a certified test lab. The lab will want to evaluate all sizes and configurations across all models, so it really adds up. But it's also inefficient to run two separate manufacturing operations for each model, so... If it meets ECE requirements for Europe, my guess it's the same product in the US and they just decided not to pay for the additional tests and reports.
You can see that i got burned with the C5? No, the thingy on the side it's the place for the remote control, which is wireless and requires a battery!, all the thinghy that you need for the intercom are on the back in the battery (sorry Spurgeon), you can use it without the remote on..., and speaking on the battery the life is long (like 12 hours of music) but you can not charge it while using it all for 320+ euro! (unless it's been updated on the ne hardware, there is a change in something on the SC2, but no news on what it is).
Just bought one. Fits well but not happy with the top vent at all. Will be returning it. Took a couple hundred mile ride in temperatures ranging from 67f to 72f and my head was freezing cold at highway speeds. Closing the top vent did nothing to keep the air from flowing through the helmet and the location of the vent holes blows cold air directly onto the top forward portion of your head. After about 30 minutes of riding my head was freezing almost like a brain freeze after drinking a really cold drink. I couldn’t imagine riding in the winter time with this helmet.
If you pull the visor off and need to use the annoying plugs, buy a C5 shield; they fit and don't need the plugs.
Halo
The RevZilla product page states it is ECE 22.06 certified. What's the deal? Does the US get a different version?
Yes. You can see me comment above but it is two different helmets and the safer one(europe) is even lighter than the one we get
We're correcting the product page now which is a typo - just like the last 2-3 generations of Schuberths here in the US - the E2 is indeed DOT only.
@@RevZilla Ah! Didn't know that about previous Schuberth versions. I'm fixated on ECE certification for my next helmet. Guess I'll look elsewhere. Like Europe.
@@RevZilla I feel lied to by Revzilla ever since I bought my Schuberth C3 that I thought was ECE certified.
11:57 why would it have European tags if it only has DOT certification?
Anyway, do goggles fit on this one? The face shield doesn't have the usual adventure shape that I associate with goggle compatibility.
Schuberth just installs all the same material, country of origin, etc tags in their helmets at the factory. And small goggles will work with this lid, but nothing with an oversized goggle frame (ie 100% Racecraft / Armega, Leatt 6.5 etc)
can it accommodate a Cardo?
Man, after reading all the comments, I'll stick with the Scorpion. It's heavy & loud, but cheap and functional
I ordered the scorpion and was about to cancel it and change it for the Schuberth. Guess I'll keep the Scorpion.
I have the E1 and the peak is definitely a problem at highway speed. It sucks that you need to carry around the extra fasteners to keep the visor on since, as he mentioned here, they do t come off the peak. I was real hoping they’d fix that. I forgot them on a recent ride and had to have the peak on on the highway for 3 hours. Just awful.
Love the product reviews
Appreciate the breadth of the products they review. The depth and testing could be updated to a more objective level
Jun's helmet from reach
Ls2...?
Are u sure u can take out the speakers?
Yep!
@@RevZilla because I need to replace them with my cardo system. That's why!
Why do you guys always say review? Definitely seems like an overview to me.
Got my solid white for around $500 from ChromeBurner!
I'm no Johnnie Lawfollower myself, but just FYI if you bought it from Europe (CB) that helmet is not legal for use on public roads in the US. No DOT sticker = illegal
Where’s Lemmy?
www.revzilla.com/common-tread/im-lem-and-im-outta-here
I like the E2 better & now it’s on sale !!!
“Road noise is subjective”
With all the Revzilla resources they could literally design a standardized test with a head and torso simulator in the center of the helmet.
You could reach out to Fortnine or LTT for help or tips on increasing the value of these reviews. They really do put out the best ones.
I assume the reason you don’t do any real testing is because as a seller of these products you are incentivized not to highlight their major flaws.
Decibels however are NOT subjective and with the right testing equipment you could provide details about the kind and frequency of the sounds coming through.
Love the idea, and its one we thought of doing a few times but we run into the same issues as helmet manufacturers do: it wouldn't really provide results that customers can experience out on the road. Schuberth does their dB rating tests, but always follows it up with the * after that says "only on our bike, at our speed, with our rider, in our wind tunnel, on X bike" bc the test isn't something most riders will be able to replicate.
Definitely a good idea, but not something that is large-scale and will benefit most riders (not just those that Geek out on dB ratings of standardized tests like you and I). Champion does a decent test if you're curious on comparisons, but its not perfect. I head up the product testing for ZLA and even though I think the "all the RevZilla resources" is flattering for our small team over here ha, I'd rather take the time / budget and run out into real world situations are bring that feedback into our reviews. We were out in the Mojave desert for the Get On ADV Fest last week and had this helmet out testing around which was great.
Appreciate the comments F, feel free to keep them coming. Always happy to chat products and reviews etc. 🤙
** add on BTW - we are referring to road noise (real life application) being subjective since it depends on rider's arm length, windshield height, torso length, bike, bike aero, speed, etc - we aren't suggesting that dB's are somehow subjective. Just the way riders experience them have too many factors to label it one or the other.
@@patrickmchugh8039 Thank you for the response. I understand that individual’s perceptions can change however the point of performing scientific/objective tests is both to fact check the manufacturers and be able to have consistent comparisons between helmets. This is the same as with headphones or earphones. Each persons perceptions can be different however when they are all tested to the same standard they can be compared with one another.
A person can say ok I have this shoei helmet, revzillas tests had it at this decibel and the frequency response was this. They can then take that information and understand how another helmet might compare.
Your tests might differ from the manufacturers but if you test out all your helmets consistently people can use your videos and resources as comparisons between one another.
It is not about riders being able to replicate it.
I understand that in person testing is much more fun for your team however an investment in to some objective tools should be considered a priority at this point in your companies lifecycle.
Same with waterproofing, same with abrasion tests.
They do not have to supplant your subjective tests however they should be supplementing them for a full picture.
Testing equipment is a one-time cost for a continuous and permanent step up in the quality and content of your review videos.
Seriously, I would like to see you guys grow more and continue to help the community. You should be able to pool your resources with cycle gear to get the equipment and post the data on both your sites and have it at their stores for research
@@patrickmchugh8039 I think though that as riders we know a common quiet helmet be it arai/shoei/schuberth etc. and as riders the revzilla team would have probably used a lot of helmets. Therefore an opinion such as " I have tried a lot of helmets and on the same bike in relatively the same conditions this helmet is quieter than a "insert helmet here " but not as quiet as " insert helmet here ". is super helpful. I mean same person + same bike + same relative conditions they are going to notice a difference and have an opinion. Right now I am none the wiser as to if this is a quieter ( based on the testers experience ) helmet or not. I can only go by a db measurement which is in itself fraught with problems as to how it was tested and what type of db was measured etc. What is acceptable quiet or not, is not the question. The question is how quiet is the helmet compared to other helmets to that tester. But that might sit on the fence of favourable bias which as a store essentially you cant do... daamn dont want your job !
Thanks for taking the time to come out and actually talk about that side of the testing regime.
@@theobviouschicken For sure, always happy to chat testing and products. Something to keep in mind is that we do try and give our opinion on "not very loud", "slightly loud", "average noise levels" during every helmet - we just don't call out other models (unless talking about the replacement helmet which we try to mention) like a leader board. Honestly, we shoot nearly a hundred new helmets a year so there isn't really any official leader board and the tough part is: What Spurgeon or Brandon find to be a loud helmet, I might find to be quiet and vice versa. Or Brandon and I might love a helmet's sound levels but Spurgeon didn't, etc. There are so many variables based on experience that its really just getting as many miles into it and forming our opinion. I think a lot of people expect some scientific process (which I'm sure is feasible from someone with endless cashflow), but we just give professional-based opinions having all ridden in 1000s of helmets over our tenure at ZLA.
Hopefully that helps a bit, I'm always monitoring the TH-cam comments section of our videos too if you ever have questions. 🤙
@@user-jm8ky1kn2t Love the ideas / concept, and hope somebody is able to build something along those lines one day. I don't personally think it would be us and it would likely be a overseeing body like the EU or the brands themselves that pool the capital to standardize test things across the board (like the abrasion testing you mentioned which is tested by the EU via the Darmstadt machine).
Having the data would certainly be cool, and I implore anyone interested in it to pursue it and maybe create their own TH-cam channel going after it. I'll chat with the team to see if we can improve the information we call out in videos though, maybe something that will help most riders out there without just tossing data out there. Thanks again, 🤙
Helmet reminds me of simple jack
Looks like ODST
Plain Stupid that 2023 SENA can't talk to Cardo.... I will try the App "Chain" and see how it works.
EU (being an European) should really force these companys to have compability between each other.
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There are indeed 2 separate helmets. One for the american market with only DOT approval and a separate helmet for europe with ECE approval.
The smallest US helmet is 1970g w/ accessories and the european helmet is 1830g.
So not only is the European helmet safer, it is also 150g lighter
Correct, this has been the case for a few generations of Schuberth, believe the last ECE was the C3 generations. Same with the Shoei Neotec 2 and GT-Air 2 etc. Some HJCs as well.
That's really scummy of them to make a better helmet for Europe and call it the same thing, especially if they charge the same amount for it.
I don't know about "scummy", but it's what they have been doing for 2 generations of helmets at this point. Same with brands like Shoei and HJC etc, although sometimes they change the name of the helmet (usually when SNELL requires it though). They are just building the helmets to the standards of the host-country so in the end, its really the DOT's fault for being archaic.
@@patrickmchugh8039 DOTs fault? Buying a safer ECE helmet cheaper than a Revzilla DOT Ebay lid shoukd come down to personal choice. DOT is the minimum, and it should be changed, but personal choice buys the ece.
@@LexGrossmansDog I blame DOT, especially in this instance, because they haven't updated their standard in decades. So brands have to conform to it to make things LEGAL to sell in the US. Y'all can buy whatever you want from wherever with whatever standard your heart desires. I'll only recommend whats legal to do in the US though, which is a DOT helmet if riding on the road. Technically you can blame Schuberth too if you wanted, but they are also just making a helmet that they are legally allowed to sell in the US. They can either make a DOT / ECE helmet that is all around not great for their biggest market (EU), or just make a DOT specific model with the US's requirements for our smaller market. Blame whoever you want, do whatever you want. You're an adult and freedom is free
ECE is not a safer helmet. Look at the test requirements. DOT is slightly heavier because it require two impacts in the same place vs ECE only requiring one. Both helmets are safe and will protect your head. But to make a comment that isn’t supported by the facts is just nonsense.
@@martyllanos73 ECE is objectively a safer minimum requirement.
Why does all adventure gear look terrible?
Function over fashion.
I have the klim krios pro. IMO, it looks wayyyyyyy better than this. This helmets looks horrible.
@@Waldo1122 You don't have to be ugly to be functional
@@rezneba101 True, but R&D goes to making the product functional rather than focusing on fashion.
@@Waldo1122 what r&d?? schubert makes nice helmets so why not this one? I don't know maybe "adventurers" lol want to look like that on purpose. ugly bikes ugly clothes ugly helmets, maybe there's a pattern 🤔
No ECE? Schuberth is dead to me.
I wish you would stop using the term "DNA". Perhaps use "engineering".
Yeesh that’s an ugly helmet
Dude, don't drink and review 😂
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