Wow, I've not had the "pleasure" of seeing a White Label HD before. My Aussie humour immediately renamed it as "Shite Label". Never stop your puns, love 'em. Cheers
The worst part of watching a MikeTech video... knowing that once you've watched it, you've got to wait for the next one. Thanks for your efforts Mike - your videos are great, and some of my favourite content on TH-cam. I was building PCs back in the late 90's/early 00's so there's some serious nostalgia with a lot of your systems. Can't wait for the next video!
This era of personal computing was especially great because both hardware and software could be so specifically tailored for an individual and it was accessible to folks that didn't necessarily have a ton of technical expertise. Thus: bird racing/dog breeding/file sharing/tax prep PC with knackered case and hodgepodge components.
@18:02 Last sentence says "A single UNIKON system manages up to 500 birds and up to 5 races simultaneously" Pigeon racing is what it is. Wintergreen Systems WAS a computer manufacturer/repairer located in Elkhart, IN. Their Facebook show last entries in 2014.
The name Wintergreen sounds familiar. In '99 I worked at a place near Elkhart (Mishawaka area) and IIRC they had desktops built by Wintergreen. It surprised me that a company of reasonable size would've used systems from a smaller dealer/ mfr.
So I used to write articles and whitepapers for desktop and enterprise computing back in the early/mid 00s, and I remember having a casual discussion with a Microsoft engineer and he was telling me how perfectly fine it was that WinXP searched for a driver every time you put a new USB stick in your PC, or even if you put the same stick in, but in a different port. All 3 prompts for drivers EVERY TIME. And he thought it was fine. Working as designed. It _should_ work like that. Face, meet palm.
Wow at first when you showed those USB ports in the front of the case at 0:48 I thought it was an RJ-11 jack! YIKES!! Oh boy this is going to be a fun one..
The Pigeon PC feels like the sort of PC that lives at your granddads and sometimes the grandkids install something on it or your granddad uses it to check his three pigeon-related websites.
The heatsink is very similar to old 775 Cooler Master heatsinks, they are pretty much identical except the fan. To remove the fan you need to quite literally smack the screw-rod things with a hammer (ideally a rubber one), trying not to bend them beyond being possible to reuse. Those little disk thingies fall off and bend slightly. To reinstall the fan you need to bend them back flat and reassemble the rods, I think you can do that without brute hammering. I had to deal with one of these and bend the threaded parts a bit, but with pliers and sheer force I was able to bend them back and screw them in, works perfectly in my retro build
"One System Care" was the early Vista predecessor to MS Defender. Hearing you call it "omnimous" and a "fake malicious anti malware program" made me chuckle. Also, your cat is a comic genius
I love your Videos because they bring back really good mid 2000 modern computing times of nostalgia. Almost everyone has used that exact VIA Motherboard/Chipset back in 2006/7 I still have 3+ of them but I pimped one of them out with a AMD Athlon, 2 Gb RAM, USB 2.0 PCI x 5, ATI All-In-Wonder 2006 VGA x 2, PCI SATA x 2, for 500Gb x 4 HDD, 500W double-FAN PSU, Sound Blaster Live 5.1, 2 DVD Burners, Xp pro sp3. Caps are good, Good case and good cooling, I am sure I'll keep it around for the next 20+ years.
Thanks Mike 🙏🏻 Glad these videos are still being posted. Yep, had similar type cheapo metal cases like that in the past whilst building my own PC systems. Brings back interesting memories and cut hands for the sharp pieces 😬 Cheers 🍻
There is a drive testing utility called "MHDD" that runs on DOS. It literally tells you which LBA is bad on the drive and gives a nice look seeing how fast it can read the sector.
I'd definitely use the second case for parts to repair the first one, but that's only because I'm desperate for vintage mid tower cases at this point. Bet you have tons to choose from!
This reminds me of the company I worked for back in 2004-2007 who sold the cheapest bare bones upgrades and hardware at computer fairs. Excelstor hard drives, cheap crap TA memory modules, the nastiest of Chinese PC cases with dodgy PSU and cables. Caused me lots of work. They finally got the message and stopped selling crap at computer fairs, making my life in tech much nicer. Still have a few of the components I bought through the company, such as a SB audigy and really nice Aerocool PSU and cooling fans, in fine working order and use to this day in my retro rigs.
We built a system with a similar drive cooler from Vantec. There were severe problems with it immediately which we eventually traced to the drive cooler fans putting enough vibration into the drive to cause many read errors. Lesson learned. 🙂
My suspicion is they used the IDE to SATA Adapterboard because the power supply was old and only had Molex connectors. Of course there are adapters for that too, but you know... people are weird.
I remember gutting parts from my old E machine. Everything but the motherboard were decent quality to be harvested and put into worthy systems that made it past the year warranty. Hope to see more videos since I found the password to my old google account. 2 thumbs up for the price of 1.
Ah, the trusty Audigy SE. A budget model without actual DSP capabilities, but not bad converters for the time (DAC WM8768, ADC WM8775). Has a 1 sample offset between L and R ADC channels due to an incorrect channel order. It's part of a whole family of cards based on the P17X chip including the esteemed SB 5.1 VX, SB Live! 24-Bit, Audigy Value/LS and X-Fi Xtreme Audio; there's a Daniel_K support pack for them.
For the first machine, I saw the optical drive and immediately thought it was in HP's colors. Felt weird to have it referred to as an emachines drive, even after you verified that it was a transplant from an HP case. At a guess I'm thinking it might've come from one of those super compact Pavilion machines, and operated temporarily outdoors and/or a similarly hot environment like a warehouse, hence taking it to a PC shop for a transplant into a case with better airflow and that hard drive accessory. And probably that aftermarket heatsink and the glob of thermal compound.
I had a scissor case Dell desktop at one point which came with an absolute toaster of a hard drive. It slowed down notably as it got hot, which did not take much activity. With that case design it saw minimal airflow. I put one of those cooling fans on it and it did make a difference. We also had some dell Optiplex 755 SFF machines at work many moons ago that had small cooling fans built into the HDD assembly. The machines would start to crash when those fans failed...or rather got too clogged with dust to run. They'd always work again once the dust was cleaned out.
The problem with those era SFF machines was themselves. Dell was cramming Pentium 4/Celeron/Pentium Ds with TDPs far too high for the form factor and they just cooked.
@@GGigabiteM The Core2Duo 755s weren't that bad and lasted a long time. Dell definitely should have increased the fan speeds though as they did run warmer than I'd like. Damn things wouldn't die though. We had some Pentium D and Core2Duo SFF 745s. The C2D ones lasted...the Pentium D ones...no. No they didn't. They absolutely cooked. The same CPU in the full size tower models, which we also had, would have a heatsink at least 5x the size/weight of the SFF models. Those poor SFF models didn't stand a chance.
That white label HDD looks like an apple OEM Western Digital HDD, the Apple drives had a Molex and SATA power connector for... Reasons? Neat that you found a bird tracking system that happened to be just cobbled together. Also those PC cases gave me PTSD flashbacks of a PC repair shop I worked at in high school, cheap like a bird, like my boss was. He'd have us pull the 80mm or 120mm fans these cases came with and sell them back to the customer as a cooling upgrade. Yeah...
LMAO bird tracking. I remember Aries from back in the early 2000's. What is the obsession with pigeons? Wow I remember when we copied files and the papers would fly from one folder to another. X rated 😲oh my lol. OH my the next system looks like Frankenstein's monster lol. It looks the fan was a dust monster too. I miss going shopping with you for computer parts back in the day. I loved watching you build computers from the scratch. I look forward to you videos because they take me back to that time.
Reminds me of a computer I literally found om the side of the road. I went through the HDD looking for something to ID the owner, ended up finding a pile of pictures of him and his missed - oh dead, I didn't know you could do it that way.... Oh well, time for a format. If your ever inclined to do that, then don't, you'll forget the pictures or the hackers will find them, and they'll end up somewhere very undesirable, so don't even think of it.
"...using it every two or three years..." -- racing really slow pigeons, maybe? (But as somebody else pointed out, pigeon racing is a pretty big thing, no kidding.)
i had that yamaha drive. It did not have that fancy buffer protection thing. It had 8mb of direct buffer so i had to do a pre-burn everytime i was to burn a cd.
The VIA VT8237R Plus raid chipset from VIA had issues with some modernish SATA boot devices devices like freezing on boot most likely why they were using the adapter in there.
Generally you want to keep wood screws out of stand-offs.. (I know they're not but still.. there's a trick to knowing if the pitch of the thread of the screw matches the standoff, THEY FIT together without issue!!) : )
I've had one of those exact cases before. By far the thinnest, most light piece of junk I've ever encountered. Also, whoever built the computer beforehand did not put any thermal compound on the heatsink! Miraculously it still worked, but the caps nearby were not happy.
And mine had the exact same CPU and almost the exact same motherboard as PC #2, what?? The motherboard looks almost identical except it's a longer ATX board.
hehe, i have a very light supposedly 650w psu, it was in an emachines thing 😉 i'm after one of those emachines dvd things(actually a dvdrom/cdr) as one has failed in mine..
Back in 2002 I built a computer with all the snazziest parts I could afford. I put in one of those hard drive cooler fans, just because I saw it in CompUSA and thought it seemed like a good idea. Never have seen another one before or since.
Often many cooling devices like that are good in principle but built too cheaply in practice to be trustworthy. I never tried those HDD coolers, but I have tried those cheap in slot exhaust fans for extra air flow, but they would only last about one year.
I'm betting they were having overheating issues. Instead of cleaning it. Just bought a newer board. Can't wait to see which will be on the sale list. Take the USB port from the 2nd one, put it on the first. Tada. I would go for the AMD/AGP board myself. The cheap cases and refurb hard drive just screams Fry's!
They were probably using that adapter because the SATA implementation on the VT8237 tends to be flaky, unreliable and temperamental. Had different HW revisions on multiple boards and those things never worked quite right, even when using SATA150-jumpered drives.
Those "white label" hard drives were a thing 10 years ago or so,they were sold on ebay as refurbished drives and they would change the label on them. I had one of those hard drive coolers too,but they are useless and just add extra noise
My guess is the proprietary HP power supply failed in 2009 and sticking it into that case was the fastest / cheapest way to get it going again. Maybe the HD was an upgrade too? Unsure. Otherwise I’m unsure why someone would have gone through the trouble.
5:29 Hate those as well. No clue what Foxconn was thinking back then. 7:42 These HDD coolers would help if you had a hot running drive and a closed case front but I don't think that 40 GB drive would ever need it. And a dedicated fan will always cool better than these HDD coolers ever could. 8:08 White Label drives are usally just refurbed drives. So it was send back at one point but that doesn't necessarily mean it had failed before. Nowadays you can get them all over the ebay but in 2008 you really had to want one to find them... 18:08 I heared of pigeon racing before but had no clue it is still a thing people do. 33:04 At first I though that board had only an VIA VT8237R non Plus southbridge which would've meant there were only SATA I drives supported but it already has the VT8237R Plus variant that supports SATA speed auto negation... 34:16 It's an Audigy SE or Audigy Value same cut down CA106 chip as the LS but the LS had an game port
Even though the maximum transfer speed of a CD-ROM falls well within the ATA-33 spec, you still want to use an 80 conductor cable. Why? Because IDE controllers can detect whether a 40 or 80 conductor cable is used, and will slow down the bus to a maximum of ATA-33 speeds. This sometimes means that the controller will force the drive to run in Programmed I/O mode, which puts an enormous burden on the CPU, since it has to basically bit bang data across the ATA bus. This was a problem on older machines with slower CPUs. If the drive was running in PIO mode, it would put such a load on the CPU that it would cause the system performance to crater. This could be a problem on CD-RW drives, where a buffer underrun could happen and trash a burned disc, creating what we called at the time "coasters". Later CD-ROM drives also often had cache that could do burst writes much faster than the normal speed of the drive, which wouldn't help if the drive was stuck in PIO mode. With DVD drives, DMA is basically a requirement. The fastest DVD drives can hit 40 MB/s and definitely need an 80 conductor IDE cable.
I had a case that was definitely from the same company (i made a video about the computer) abd i can confirm how flimsy it is. I bent the side panel and half of its tabs just taking it off
Wow, I've not had the "pleasure" of seeing a White Label HD before. My Aussie humour immediately renamed it as "Shite Label". Never stop your puns, love 'em. Cheers
The worst part of watching a MikeTech video... knowing that once you've watched it, you've got to wait for the next one.
Thanks for your efforts Mike - your videos are great, and some of my favourite content on TH-cam. I was building PCs back in the late 90's/early 00's so there's some serious nostalgia with a lot of your systems.
Can't wait for the next video!
Pigeon racing is serious business Mike. You would be amazed what prices the top pigeons sell at. Keep up the good work.
I didn't know it is an international business. Seemingly people all around the world are interested in it.😄
This era of personal computing was especially great because both hardware and software could be so specifically tailored for an individual and it was accessible to folks that didn't necessarily have a ton of technical expertise. Thus: bird racing/dog breeding/file sharing/tax prep PC with knackered case and hodgepodge components.
@18:02 Last sentence says "A single UNIKON system manages up to 500 birds and up to 5 races simultaneously" Pigeon racing is what it is.
Wintergreen Systems WAS a computer manufacturer/repairer located in Elkhart, IN. Their Facebook show last entries in 2014.
The name Wintergreen sounds familiar. In '99 I worked at a place near Elkhart (Mishawaka area) and IIRC they had desktops built by Wintergreen. It surprised me that a company of reasonable size would've used systems from a smaller dealer/ mfr.
Guy at school had homing pigeons. They take a truck load of pigeons out somewhere and release them, and you time how long before they come home.
So I used to write articles and whitepapers for desktop and enterprise computing back in the early/mid 00s, and I remember having a casual discussion with a Microsoft engineer and he was telling me how perfectly fine it was that WinXP searched for a driver every time you put a new USB stick in your PC, or even if you put the same stick in, but in a different port. All 3 prompts for drivers EVERY TIME. And he thought it was fine. Working as designed. It _should_ work like that.
Face, meet palm.
i love these frankenstein "what were they thinking" kind of rigs
I honestly feel if modern beige cases were to be introduced they'd sell like hotcakes with all the nostalgia that seems to be going around.
Even his low effort gives big thumbs up
I used to cut my hands and fingers a lot when taking apart those old cases.. I love your watch !! Good video!
Cat sound at 5:55 sent me running into my living room to make sure my kitty was okay!
What amazed me is how the first system works with so many bad capacitators.
Ikr. I thought it'd be dead as a doormat or very faulty and intermittent.
Wow at first when you showed those USB ports in the front of the case at 0:48 I thought it was an RJ-11 jack! YIKES!! Oh boy this is going to be a fun one..
The amazement in your voice at someone having unzipped the example file.
Ah yes, the scrapping of now thermal cement, and now long dead caps, definitely mid 2000s fun.
The Pigeon PC feels like the sort of PC that lives at your granddads and sometimes the grandkids install something on it or your granddad uses it to check his three pigeon-related websites.
Praise the 90's, a new MikeTech video!
MikeTech videos are like comfort food. Just fun computer shenanigans. Bless
The heatsink is very similar to old 775 Cooler Master heatsinks, they are pretty much identical except the fan. To remove the fan you need to quite literally smack the screw-rod things with a hammer (ideally a rubber one), trying not to bend them beyond being possible to reuse. Those little disk thingies fall off and bend slightly. To reinstall the fan you need to bend them back flat and reassemble the rods, I think you can do that without brute hammering. I had to deal with one of these and bend the threaded parts a bit, but with pliers and sheer force I was able to bend them back and screw them in, works perfectly in my retro build
"One System Care" was the early Vista predecessor to MS Defender. Hearing you call it "omnimous" and a "fake malicious anti malware program" made me chuckle.
Also, your cat is a comic genius
Cat cameo is always a sure like!
Your videos are always entertaining, it's never not a joy to watch you.👍👍👍👍
I love your Videos because they bring back really good mid 2000 modern computing times of nostalgia.
Almost everyone has used that exact VIA Motherboard/Chipset back in 2006/7 I still have 3+ of them but I
pimped one of them out with a AMD Athlon, 2 Gb RAM, USB 2.0 PCI x 5, ATI All-In-Wonder 2006 VGA x 2,
PCI SATA x 2, for 500Gb x 4 HDD, 500W double-FAN PSU, Sound Blaster Live 5.1, 2 DVD Burners, Xp pro sp3.
Caps are good, Good case and good cooling, I am sure I'll keep it around for the next 20+ years.
28:11 This could be the FDC controller on the motherboard + bad caps, drive itself might be okay. Great videos look forward to the next one.
Thanks Mike 🙏🏻 Glad these videos are still being posted. Yep, had similar type cheapo metal cases like that in the past whilst building my own PC systems. Brings back interesting memories and cut hands for the sharp pieces 😬 Cheers 🍻
There is a drive testing utility called "MHDD" that runs on DOS. It literally tells you which LBA is bad on the drive and gives a nice look seeing how fast it can read the sector.
Hell yes!! Saturday is now fun
Nice retro PC review!
I'd definitely use the second case for parts to repair the first one, but that's only because I'm desperate for vintage mid tower cases at this point. Bet you have tons to choose from!
This reminds me of the company I worked for back in 2004-2007 who sold the cheapest bare bones upgrades and hardware at computer fairs. Excelstor hard drives, cheap crap TA memory modules, the nastiest of Chinese PC cases with dodgy PSU and cables. Caused me lots of work. They finally got the message and stopped selling crap at computer fairs, making my life in tech much nicer. Still have a few of the components I bought through the company, such as a SB audigy and really nice Aerocool PSU and cooling fans, in fine working order and use to this day in my retro rigs.
We built a system with a similar drive cooler from Vantec. There were severe problems with it immediately which we eventually traced to the drive cooler fans putting enough vibration into the drive to cause many read errors. Lesson learned. 🙂
Brongs back many a frustrating memory...lol, I'd love to do this too. My family just wouldn't understand...lol
Mike your videos are awesome! so funny and inspirational
Loving the scruff!
Bet this guy is a riot at parties.
My suspicion is they used the IDE to SATA Adapterboard because the power supply was old and only had Molex connectors. Of course there are adapters for that too, but you know... people are weird.
I remember gutting parts from my old E machine. Everything but the motherboard were decent quality to be harvested and put into worthy systems that made it past the year warranty. Hope to see more videos since I found the password to my old google account. 2 thumbs up for the price of 1.
Ah, the trusty Audigy SE. A budget model without actual DSP capabilities, but not bad converters for the time (DAC WM8768, ADC WM8775). Has a 1 sample offset between L and R ADC channels due to an incorrect channel order. It's part of a whole family of cards based on the P17X chip including the esteemed SB 5.1 VX, SB Live! 24-Bit, Audigy Value/LS and X-Fi Xtreme Audio; there's a Daniel_K support pack for them.
Love your videos
Brings back a lot of memories when I was working with these PCs
What a handsome man.
Glad to get home and put my feet up to a Mike
tech shenanigans
For the first machine, I saw the optical drive and immediately thought it was in HP's colors. Felt weird to have it referred to as an emachines drive, even after you verified that it was a transplant from an HP case.
At a guess I'm thinking it might've come from one of those super compact Pavilion machines, and operated temporarily outdoors and/or a similarly hot environment like a warehouse, hence taking it to a PC shop for a transplant into a case with better airflow and that hard drive accessory. And probably that aftermarket heatsink and the glob of thermal compound.
I had a scissor case Dell desktop at one point which came with an absolute toaster of a hard drive. It slowed down notably as it got hot, which did not take much activity. With that case design it saw minimal airflow. I put one of those cooling fans on it and it did make a difference.
We also had some dell Optiplex 755 SFF machines at work many moons ago that had small cooling fans built into the HDD assembly. The machines would start to crash when those fans failed...or rather got too clogged with dust to run. They'd always work again once the dust was cleaned out.
The problem with those era SFF machines was themselves. Dell was cramming Pentium 4/Celeron/Pentium Ds with TDPs far too high for the form factor and they just cooked.
@@GGigabiteM The Core2Duo 755s weren't that bad and lasted a long time. Dell definitely should have increased the fan speeds though as they did run warmer than I'd like. Damn things wouldn't die though.
We had some Pentium D and Core2Duo SFF 745s. The C2D ones lasted...the Pentium D ones...no. No they didn't. They absolutely cooked. The same CPU in the full size tower models, which we also had, would have a heatsink at least 5x the size/weight of the SFF models. Those poor SFF models didn't stand a chance.
That white label HDD looks like an apple OEM Western Digital HDD, the Apple drives had a Molex and SATA power connector for... Reasons?
Neat that you found a bird tracking system that happened to be just cobbled together.
Also those PC cases gave me PTSD flashbacks of a PC repair shop I worked at in high school, cheap like a bird, like my boss was. He'd have us pull the 80mm or 120mm fans these cases came with and sell them back to the customer as a cooling upgrade. Yeah...
I like vintage computers and software
Time to do some research on pigeon racing! 😂😂
LMAO bird tracking. I remember Aries from back in the early 2000's. What is the obsession with pigeons? Wow I remember when we copied files and the papers would fly from one folder to another. X rated 😲oh my lol.
OH my the next system looks like Frankenstein's monster lol. It looks the fan was a dust monster too. I miss going shopping with you for computer parts back in the day. I loved watching you build computers from the scratch. I look forward to you videos because they take me back to that time.
Gotta love these recycler specials!
Nice hair cut
Thanks! I’ve been cutting it myself for about a year. Some results are better than others, but I might be getting the hang of it.
Wow, that’s great for self serve! Hehe. You are multitalented!
Only 2 minutes in, and this Franken-PC gets weirder and weirder! :)
I had some of those useless hard drive cooling fans once... But at least they were on 10k RPM Raptor drives.
Reminds me of a computer I literally found om the side of the road. I went through the HDD looking for something to ID the owner, ended up finding a pile of pictures of him and his missed - oh dead, I didn't know you could do it that way....
Oh well, time for a format.
If your ever inclined to do that, then don't, you'll forget the pictures or the hackers will find them, and they'll end up somewhere very undesirable, so don't even think of it.
March 2007, about the time I built my first computer, yeah I know. I started late.
ripe of raunchiness!!! lol! sound like me home lab!
A blue fibre connector would be single-mode. Multi-mode would be grey.
Angle polished single-mode would be green.
That's a nice socket 754 mainboard, hard to find these days, at least for reasonable prices that is.
Another awesome video!
WintergreenSys logo is nice. I would save the logo if I were to throw the case to recycling.
"...using it every two or three years..." -- racing really slow pigeons, maybe? (But as somebody else pointed out, pigeon racing is a pretty big thing, no kidding.)
our retro pc savior has blessed us with another video
Birdfont, Ghost dog, Passenger pigeon, just looking at all that dust makes me sneeze.
Pretty great board for a super fast AGP buid and the fastest Sempron CPU.
Oh ya I got few of those coolers new for a old build😂😂
i had that yamaha drive. It did not have that fancy buffer protection thing. It had 8mb of direct buffer so i had to do a pre-burn everytime i was to burn a cd.
cross threading and thin bendy bendy metal. reminds me of my nzxt h200.
The VIA VT8237R Plus raid chipset from VIA had issues with some modernish SATA boot devices devices like freezing on boot most likely why they were using the adapter in there.
Knoppix 3.8... Very first linux distro I used 😂
I had some Akasa HDD coolers back in the day, was paranoid about temps. I think they succeeded in adding dust.
Generally you want to keep wood screws out of stand-offs.. (I know they're not but still.. there's a trick to knowing if the pitch of the thread of the screw matches the standoff, THEY FIT together without issue!!) : )
I've had one of those exact cases before. By far the thinnest, most light piece of junk I've ever encountered. Also, whoever built the computer beforehand did not put any thermal compound on the heatsink! Miraculously it still worked, but the caps nearby were not happy.
And mine had the exact same CPU and almost the exact same motherboard as PC #2, what?? The motherboard looks almost identical except it's a longer ATX board.
That agp board would make a really good 98 and XP build for someone, find a 7600GT and pretty much run a lot of classic titles.
Heleron, Western digitalish 😂you crack me up everytime!
This channel has gone to the birds.
That Unit 2 got a VIA SB. In that time, the SATA ports is so finicky that it actually doesn't work on any SATA drives that is not SATA1
Notice the harddrive cooler from the first system, and the cpu cooler for the second system was the same brand.
I have seen those HDD fans on drives installed on DELL Optiplex 455 SFF, for example.
hehe, i have a very light supposedly 650w psu, it was in an emachines thing 😉 i'm after one of those emachines dvd things(actually a dvdrom/cdr) as one has failed in mine..
I think a pigeon racing tracking program that I have heard of😅😅😅 seen it on a old show long ago
The first rule of Pigeon Club is you don't talk about Pigeon Club.
Back in 2002 I built a computer with all the snazziest parts I could afford. I put in one of those hard drive cooler fans, just because I saw it in CompUSA and thought it seemed like a good idea. Never have seen another one before or since.
Often many cooling devices like that are good in principle but built too cheaply in practice to be trustworthy.
I never tried those HDD coolers, but I have tried those cheap in slot exhaust fans for extra air flow, but they would only last about one year.
Fastest click and like of my life.
Me like,me like it a lot!!!!
Yo put up more videos broham
Love the channel Mike! However, just out of curiosity what do you do with these old rigs once you have rebuilt them?
Video's title shoulda been 'Save a Pigeon, Ride a Cowboy.'
I'll see myself out.
I scrapped out plenty of these... I hate the old HP boards... just too old to mess with!
I'm betting they were having overheating issues. Instead of cleaning it. Just bought a newer board. Can't wait to see which will be on the sale list. Take the USB port from the 2nd one, put it on the first. Tada. I would go for the AMD/AGP board myself. The cheap cases and refurb hard drive just screams Fry's!
I think these videos are more about admiring Mike 😂🤭
Gay
We can dream of having someone attractive and intelligent in our lives, even if it’s someone else, right? Hehe
Mike is great, and he is enjoyable to watch and listen to.
@@gobsmell2865 Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
15 sec i jestem . Pozdrawiam Mike .
They were probably using that adapter because the SATA implementation on the VT8237 tends to be flaky, unreliable and temperamental. Had different HW revisions on multiple boards and those things never worked quite right, even when using SATA150-jumpered drives.
Those "white label" hard drives were a thing 10 years ago or so,they were sold on ebay as refurbished drives and they would change the label on them. I had one of those hard drive coolers too,but they are useless and just add extra noise
Regular pigeon wrangling cowboy... Ohh yes,, run of the mill commonality that. Every cityblock has to have atleast one, am i right? :D
My guess is the proprietary HP power supply failed in 2009 and sticking it into that case was the fastest / cheapest way to get it going again. Maybe the HD was an upgrade too? Unsure. Otherwise I’m unsure why someone would have gone through the trouble.
thats the first time ive seen one of those "sata/molex" HDDs in anything other than an powermac g5
What no scandisk of the old HDD?
5:29 Hate those as well. No clue what Foxconn was thinking back then.
7:42 These HDD coolers would help if you had a hot running drive and a closed case front but I don't think that 40 GB drive would ever need it. And a dedicated fan will always cool better than these HDD coolers ever could.
8:08 White Label drives are usally just refurbed drives. So it was send back at one point but that doesn't necessarily mean it had failed before. Nowadays you can get them all over the ebay but in 2008 you really had to want one to find them...
18:08 I heared of pigeon racing before but had no clue it is still a thing people do.
33:04 At first I though that board had only an VIA VT8237R non Plus southbridge which would've meant there were only SATA I drives supported but it already has the VT8237R Plus variant that supports SATA speed auto negation...
34:16 It's an Audigy SE or Audigy Value same cut down CA106 chip as the LS but the LS had an game port
Even though the maximum transfer speed of a CD-ROM falls well within the ATA-33 spec, you still want to use an 80 conductor cable. Why? Because IDE controllers can detect whether a 40 or 80 conductor cable is used, and will slow down the bus to a maximum of ATA-33 speeds. This sometimes means that the controller will force the drive to run in Programmed I/O mode, which puts an enormous burden on the CPU, since it has to basically bit bang data across the ATA bus.
This was a problem on older machines with slower CPUs. If the drive was running in PIO mode, it would put such a load on the CPU that it would cause the system performance to crater. This could be a problem on CD-RW drives, where a buffer underrun could happen and trash a burned disc, creating what we called at the time "coasters".
Later CD-ROM drives also often had cache that could do burst writes much faster than the normal speed of the drive, which wouldn't help if the drive was stuck in PIO mode.
With DVD drives, DMA is basically a requirement. The fastest DVD drives can hit 40 MB/s and definitely need an 80 conductor IDE cable.
I had a case that was definitely from the same company (i made a video about the computer) abd i can confirm how flimsy it is. I bent the side panel and half of its tabs just taking it off
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