Agreed, who doesn’t like Bleh. Felt the great line from Eninem when i watched my twitterfeed day after the incident; Got to wake up labourday to this!?
he did, i liked hedje as an analyst on impact till i missed that incident and hte more i watch it the more i think she needed a slap, but also production needed to take more of a hands on approach with talent
I think he was referring to her shitting on males and having a meltdown when Bleh said something bad against women team who did awfully bad @@weberswonderland
@@CountCocofang no its not? bleh literally said what was supposed to be said. If a team thats meant to win goes down by 13-2 scoreline, obviously in his words it DID NOT SHOW UP AT ALL.
I genuinely couldn't believe this when I saw the clip. It was outrageous and she should not be seen on a broadcast for a while until she improves her attitude. I agree it's not an unforgivable error. Bleh actually gives ESL Impact some legitimacy by being on the broadcast. You could argue that it's beneath someone who has worked majors to work on Impact but the fact he's happy to do it speaks volumes for his professionalism and desire to work.
not only is him working there more legitimacy, but actually analyzing the performances and criticizing teams that don't live up to expectations is how any analyst is supposed to talk about a legitimate serious competition. I've noticed some people they hire in different women's leagues seem to just wanna celebrate the fact that it's a women's league instead of really treating it like a serious competitive scene, which is counterproductive in the end.
@@darrenfleming7901Yesss exactly as a women I would really enjoy the women's league more if it took itself a little more seriously and critically analysed the scene more
@@maxinew5817A "serious" version of the woman's league is just the main league. Women can play and succeed in it, and they will be taken seriously. If they don't want or can't compete on the main stage, then you can only expect unprofessionalism.
They should stop with these weak mentality plants/emotional wrecks aka DEI hires and hire objective people who can do the job without taking personal offense of a team they're not even part of. Bleh did great and handled it perfectly. Worst thing is how she didn't even owned up to it.
She 100% should be suspended for a few weeks until she gets her shit together. If Thorin or any of the guys had pulled this on her, they'd have been fired before the rant was finished. The least she deserves is a few weeks suspension. Bleh handled the situation like an absolute pro.
Permanent termination of contract for this. She shouldn’t be casting at all either and unbearable strong accent like that in the first place. She’s the perfect example of a quota woman.
Bleh handled it like a pro! Glad Richard chose to comment on this situation. This video will most likely be under appreciated, but this type of content matters.
She's still yet to apologize or say anything about it. I wonder if in her mind it was still justified and she thinks there was no mistake on her part? Sometimes even if you think you were right, it's best to apologize so that you're not living with a loose end. If that is too much for her ego to handle, she's basically ruined her career as a result. Although I will say, who knows if she did apologize already behind the scenes or make amends with Bleh.
Mate thank you so much for these videos, as someone that is learning about hosting in the Australian Sport scene these videos are amazing to learn from. Just in the ins and outs of what can go wrong when you are live are pressures others will never know about.
God damn, when Richard Lewis said she was 37 that was the nail in the coffin for me. I get it happening when your like a young person trying to get into esports as a unappreciated role. But like man, she aint a kid. Thats soo rude to do to your coworker, someone that is in the exact same position.
The first time I saw this clip I felt my lifespan being shortened as the cringe flowed through my veins. I'm sorry Richard, but a second watch might be the end of me.
If you ask Thorin about Frankie, he has a video about all her twitter shenanigans. She's called him out and made a stand about NEOM when the LEC and BLAST tried to partner with them. Now she works for ESL. So a lot of people have an issue with her for that reason @@Deffinnition
@@foaly8 well she once said she could never work for people who literally kill her friends and now works for exactly the people she was talking about at that time. Make of that what you want.
Seems to be all about gender. Being a female league, maybe she was a bit too high on 'girl power'. She immediately said, "Can you leave the studio?" and ended on, "You don't deserve to be here." It isn't what was said that upset her, it was who was saying it. In her mind, he had no right to make judgements or even be on the desk. If it had been a female analyst making that critique, there's no drama.
Like having an atrocious accent and not doing anything about it, imagine if bleh showed up with an Indian accent as strong as hers, he wouldn't even be allowed to cast tier 5
Ive watched Impact segments before this and there often was this kind of tension towards Bleh from Hedje and others like 'watch your step this is our league' kind of vibes. It doesnt surprise me it ended up exploding in this way. If the women scene wants to grow they need to be able to deal with objective critisism. Right now the mods in the Impact chat ban anything slightly offensive/controversial/not fully positive instantly basicly killing any hype in the chat during matches. The entire product is treated with kiddie gloves and generates no hype. The music they use sounds like someone googled a playlist called 'empowering women music'. When I tune in to the Impact league I want to get hyped for the matches and be entertained, but it feels more like a lecture and marketing exercise than a real league.
Moderating twitch chat is whatever because twitch chat enjoyers are idiots (myself included). But Bleh is a professional and a great analyst. Telling someone literally hired to critique performance to stop doing his job is just baffling. Not sure what Hedje wants, after every match, everyone at the desk should just say: "GG WP NTNT"? Not sure if Hedje has ever seen another eSports or even traditional sporting event, if you have a shit game, you're going to get criticised, that's literally his job. Feel like Hedje's outburst is a bad look for women's esports, rather than objectively applying analysis that is done at *every single men's CS lan with an analyst desk* she's now gone viral and added fuel to the fire that women's esports should be infantilized. She is a terrible caster and now a terrible analyst. There are plenty of capable and talented women that deserve that spot over her.
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@@etas1cwdym it’s a women’s broadcast it’s meant to elevate the best women’s talent. And anyway a lot of the stronger women’s talent in Val would get the side eye from riot from participating
I get that shame is obviously dead in this day and age, but how in the fuck did immature grownup children invade and take root in EVERY side of everything that has something to do with the production of entertainment (gaming, cinema, etc)?
Fatherlessness. Creates both a desperate subconscious need for attention and the displacement of one’s own guilt and feelings of inadequacy onto perceived patriarchal authority figures.
when I saw that clip for the first time I assumed bleh said something back, maybe something stupid. At the VERY least I thought he's gonna give away facial expressions on how cringe the situation was. To my surprise bleh was a model professional.
If you can't handle your emotions, this kind of job is not for you. You should do something else. And tbh she shouldn't be there anyways. Why is she hosting a English speaking event when clearly she has difficulty speaking English? I don't understand why some games do that. I say this as a non native English speaker and people like her just makes it harder to understand.
Yeah I hate this think so many so where it just gets to the point that one must treat all women like retarded children as I guess they have zero agency in what's happening
11:29 thats kinda bs imo. professionalism is, not bringing your problems into your work and not letting external factors influence your job otherwise everyone can do their job while they are high on life with no negativity going on in their mind
what the fuck, how can you have such a melt down without any real reason. Not like he called them a useless dumpster fire that should quit playing. I wouldnt have known how to react, prolly would have asked if she is feeling allright or is having a mental episode.
Just a reminder that the 16-0 match from 2019 on youtube is titled "de_nuke Any% 0:28:57 ESL Pro League Record - Mousesports vs. EG" I'd argue they got roasted multiple times harder and nobody was triggered.
@@RLewisReportsah the old ask someone a question then ban them from commenting 😂 You've proven yourself yet again as the most pathetic eSports commentator. Thanks for showing thousands of people over the years what being a insecure sourpuss does to your character👍
Frankie might have all the information of Hedje's mental in this instance and in-depth consideration for her situation but really her of all people can't just come in from left field giving her a pass as the grand jury of esports twitter herself. "We can sweep this one under the rug aaaand delete all the vods, because we all have bad days sometimes". Filthy behavior.
Oooo this was very hard to watch she has her finger in his face and everything. The meltdown reeks of inferiority and trying to over compensate by saying TO THE PROFESSIONAL “you don’t deserve to be here”. Really not understanding that he is doing YOUR event a favour by being there. Nobody watches sport shows and desks to hear them say “awww well they tried their best”.
So damn embarrassing! She has been a part of gaming and esports for many years, and knows VERY well how analysts talk about performances. And celebrating performance that didn't progress them in the competition. It's about a teams performance, and nothing personal towards the players. She is an absolute hypocrite. And has been for a long time.
Damn i was watching Impact and i thought this was just a bad bit where she couldnt convey sarcasm and it went too far. Shit to see she was serious. Hopefully she and the production learns from this about recognizing when someone is close to snapping.
The thorin thing is 8 weeks off of being a decade old. he should have ripped off some fans money to make a documentary he would have served less time in twitter jail
a lot of really valuable insight and opinion on this matter, appreciate the vid. I like to hear head on takes on stuff like that, can pull some info and inspiration on how to deal with similar situations in the future. thx
First comment on your videos. Sorry to hear about your friend and the comments you had the day after. I've seen your stuff since 2014 or so, keep it up man. Us old dogs need to keep going no matter what :)
gotta look at it realistically. the fact its a broadcast dosnt matter and whats going on behind the scenes dosnt matter. i dont, and no one should, give 2 fuckes about the situation. no one deserves to go to their job and get spoken to like that. simple as.
Give me a break, these are the sorts of people that say 'treat women like you would anyone else' while also wanting special treatment for women who play Esports. Everything he said is said about every mens team that underperforms too. If you are someone who wants more women in Esports, then dont be upset when they get treated just like everyone else.
i was wating for someone to talk about this. i was shook when i saw this. as a norwegian we dont claim her. its like she thinks its a kindergarden competition were everyone has to win. also watching the casting i think her english is not good enugh to cast if you have to mutch of a dialect you actualy turn away audience
Hedje can't just apologize behind the scenes... her outburst was on stream. The community deserves a public apology from her before she can be shown on any broadcast again.
Recently saw a video about a Valorant match between Fnatic and a Tier 2 Japanese team and Fnatic was heavily criticized because they BARELY WON against said team and then C9 who was way lower in standing stomped said team basically. Who want's to bet she wouldn't have made a fuss if she was part of that discussion and yet she got pissed about this team that actually LOST despite being higher in standings than their opponents. Casters can be biased towards a team thats true but it should never get to the point that you would be outright aggressive towards another member on camera for criticizing the team you like, thats what happens in discord calls not what happens on an esports broadcast. She needs to get her shit together or get a different job if she can't manage to control herself and be amicable or at the very least more respectful in your interaction with your colleagues.
Maybe irrelevant but the reason there are women's leagues are not because some men are weird(some are ofc) but because there would be no female pro without. Some men being weird is not what's stopping women from being as good as the best men.
The women's competitive scene draws from a pool of players just a fraction of the size of the men's scene, so of course there will be less top tier performers, it's a statistics thing. One day when the women's player pool is larger I believe there will be women players who can hold their own in the main league
@@maxinew5817 People have said that for 20 years and there is a lot of women playing now and not a single one has ever been or is even close to t4(!) and men do have better reaction time and deferent muscle structures that could also play a role. Maybe there will be one or two women that can be a decent support on a t2 team in like 5-10 years.
@@ewweg I don't know why people try to pretend there isn't an advantage for men even in computer games. Like, the pool of players that are transgender is microscopic compared to the female player base, yet in the valorant women's scene, the two best players in the world this past year were teenage trans girls, lol. 2 people born men who are now women just dominated the pro scene, and people want to pretend it's just cuz there aren't enough girls playing or that boys are just big meanies and won't team with them. It's embarrassing.
@@ewweg there was 1 woman who played in t4 and she was actually against female only tournaments. the reason there are no good female competitors is because they all go for the easy money and choose to compete in women's only tournaments instead of taking their chances in mixed teams and facing real competition.
Esports fans and cs redditors seem to go exclusively by who they like more. Someone said valid criticism to the player they like the most? The criticism is invalid and whpeve said it must be punished! An analyst we like got criticism for saying something about a team we don't care that much about? He should be able to say that, it's his job! It's hypocritical behavior based around who they like
@@jamieeddolls5605 you misunderstand my point. I was pointing out how people think, explaining how people can react differently to the same situation depending on who's on which side. If some unknown analyst said something bad about jks, they'd get hated for it, whether it'd be valid or not. If a well known analyst says something bad about a relatively unknown player, people don't get mad, whether the criticism is warranted or not. It's not about it being warranted or backed up, it's just a popularity contest
i work in the service industry and u cant have a bad day, because it impacts the establishement u work for, this is completely unacceptable, considering that those are her true feelings on the matter, this is not someone who should be broadcasting
we dont have womens only spaces in sports because men are weird though. Comparing it to a gym is kinda a false equivalency. Like yes, you are right; but no, thats not why. We have only womens spaces in sports because they wouldnt stand a chance in a regular league or tournament.
Genuine question as someone who has been a fan of League esports for 12 years but... could you even imagine what would've happened if a woman was on the same team as the type of guys that were pro players back then? The amount of drama if there was cohabitation in any of the team houses- I think LCS would've buried itself irrepairably and its reputation in the first 3 years of existing. Just generally how horrible the general fan reaction to any woman in the scene was at the time. Remilia played in the LCS and the way she was treated by much of the community was absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. Even after she passed her twitter replies were full of the most horrific posts I've ever seen celebrating her death and dehumanising her- years after she retired from LCS. You're not wrong but RL absolutely isn't wrong either. The two mainstream reactions to women in the space was to either sexualise them if they showed themself or mock them for trying to even think about going pro for years while the scene was growing.
100% a meltdown because he dared to criticise the brave whamen of esports, no mistake about it what so ever, I was just waiting for her to pop a "misogynist" in there
Bleh handled it extremely well, and aaalmost managed to stop the bullshittery somewhat early on with the HSG nerve comment, but she sadly interrupted TechGirl when she wanted to take over... (Also Tech's face at 7:03 , just probably looking at the people behind the scenes wondering "what the fuck is going on"). Another sad thing is those few twitch chatters I could see there with "tell em hedje" , "get him out xD" and "omg I love her"... that's just fucking sad... He is literally just doing his job, analyzing the teams, talking about the games etcetc.. just to get bullied by... someone who actually shouldnt be there it seems. In any other CS broadcast, criticizing the teams and talking about expectations is completely normal, as it is in sports overall... Lastly... The whole "outrage" unironically reminds me of Froskurinn from her G4 clips and shit.
being unable to understand how negative influence attracts people with other negative influence, a lot of people having an issue with what cadian did would go to a popping off forum post on reddit to see and interact with that post. The people, who thinks and didnt care about it, moved on with their life and never went to reddit to complain. Forums are echo chambers for people, who are mad and want to complain.
Gotta give credit where credit is due, Bleh handled it like a fucking champ
Agreed, who doesn’t like Bleh. Felt the great line from Eninem when i watched my twitterfeed day after the incident; Got to wake up labourday to this!?
he did, i liked hedje as an analyst on impact till i missed that incident and hte more i watch it the more i think she needed a slap, but also production needed to take more of a hands on approach with talent
Professional vs 36 yo tantrum thrower
@@OGfisk well to be honest, i had no idea who bleh was before this video, just like most people dont watch the wnba..
@@aim120CCasual fan
Bleh's calm "I'm not gonna go anywhere" was as professional as it was hilarious. Handled it like a pro.
The blatant double standards on display in this situation are disgusting.
As if Reddit is a monolith! Richard is ranting like Reddit is one person. 😅One schizophrenic, bipolar lunatic making all the posts! 😂
yea imagine if a guy did that to a lady... omg
I think he was referring to her shitting on males and having a meltdown when Bleh said something bad against women team who did awfully bad @@weberswonderland
Kind of all of them. This situation is just double standards stacked on top of each other.
@@CountCocofang no its not? bleh literally said what was supposed to be said. If a team thats meant to win goes down by 13-2 scoreline, obviously in his words it DID NOT SHOW UP AT ALL.
anybody got a link to Moses calling Richard a fat bastard? Can't find it anywhere but it sounds hilarious
Need this too, Please @ me if it's found
This lol
you won't find it
only valid reply would have been "didnt think I'd get up this morning and be called a fat bastard by the bald eagle"
I genuinely couldn't believe this when I saw the clip. It was outrageous and she should not be seen on a broadcast for a while until she improves her attitude. I agree it's not an unforgivable error.
Bleh actually gives ESL Impact some legitimacy by being on the broadcast. You could argue that it's beneath someone who has worked majors to work on Impact but the fact he's happy to do it speaks volumes for his professionalism and desire to work.
not only is him working there more legitimacy, but actually analyzing the performances and criticizing teams that don't live up to expectations is how any analyst is supposed to talk about a legitimate serious competition. I've noticed some people they hire in different women's leagues seem to just wanna celebrate the fact that it's a women's league instead of really treating it like a serious competitive scene, which is counterproductive in the end.
Attitude and English pronunciation. Girl is hard to listen to jesus
@@darrenfleming7901Yesss exactly as a women I would really enjoy the women's league more if it took itself a little more seriously and critically analysed the scene more
@@maxinew5817A "serious" version of the woman's league is just the main league. Women can play and succeed in it, and they will be taken seriously. If they don't want or can't compete on the main stage, then you can only expect unprofessionalism.
They should stop with these weak mentality plants/emotional wrecks aka DEI hires and hire objective people who can do the job without taking personal offense of a team they're not even part of. Bleh did great and handled it perfectly. Worst thing is how she didn't even owned up to it.
She 100% should be suspended for a few weeks until she gets her shit together. If Thorin or any of the guys had pulled this on her, they'd have been fired before the rant was finished. The least she deserves is a few weeks suspension. Bleh handled the situation like an absolute pro.
Nah, get her on again. It was hilarious, so much passion 🤣
Permanent termination of contract for this. She shouldn’t be casting at all either and unbearable strong accent like that in the first place.
She’s the perfect example of a quota woman.
Meanwhile bleh handled it like a pro
Bleh handled it like a pro! Glad Richard chose to comment on this situation. This video will most likely be under appreciated, but this type of content matters.
She's still yet to apologize or say anything about it. I wonder if in her mind it was still justified and she thinks there was no mistake on her part? Sometimes even if you think you were right, it's best to apologize so that you're not living with a loose end. If that is too much for her ego to handle, she's basically ruined her career as a result. Although I will say, who knows if she did apologize already behind the scenes or make amends with Bleh.
Women and apologizing nowadays? Yeah, sure.
Mate thank you so much for these videos, as someone that is learning about hosting in the Australian Sport scene these videos are amazing to learn from. Just in the ins and outs of what can go wrong when you are live are pressures others will never know about.
My god Bleh is a true professional. How did he not rise to that lol
God damn, when Richard Lewis said she was 37 that was the nail in the coffin for me.
I get it happening when your like a young person trying to get into esports as a unappreciated role. But like man, she aint a kid. Thats soo rude to do to your coworker, someone that is in the exact same position.
The first time I saw this clip I felt my lifespan being shortened as the cringe flowed through my veins. I'm sorry Richard, but a second watch might be the end of me.
"not everything is trial by Twitter"
Said Frankie Ward, the most prolific twitter juror in all of esports.
Is she? I didn’t realize, I liked her on stream.
I did too liked her on stream, what the hell happened? is there a video or thread about this? ty
If you ask Thorin about Frankie, he has a video about all her twitter shenanigans. She's called him out and made a stand about NEOM when the LEC and BLAST tried to partner with them. Now she works for ESL. So a lot of people have an issue with her for that reason @@Deffinnition
@@foaly8 well she once said she could never work for people who literally kill her friends and now works for exactly the people she was talking about at that time. Make of that what you want.
One of the people Thoorin tried to cancel.
Seems to be all about gender. Being a female league, maybe she was a bit too high on 'girl power'. She immediately said, "Can you leave the studio?" and ended on, "You don't deserve to be here."
It isn't what was said that upset her, it was who was saying it. In her mind, he had no right to make judgements or even be on the desk.
If it had been a female analyst making that critique, there's no drama.
Yeah it really feels like she was not angry at the comment but the fact that it came from a man.
Ironic considering they have no issue doing the same in men's matches.
Yeah, im fed up of this double standard bs these days.
lronic considering as a Norwegian women, she is born with infinitely more privileges than Indian men
Like having an atrocious accent and not doing anything about it, imagine if bleh showed up with an Indian accent as strong as hers, he wouldn't even be allowed to cast tier 5
frankie being frankie again. she just has to insert herself into drama she has nothing to do with
What I've gathered thats pretty common among women...
Ive watched Impact segments before this and there often was this kind of tension towards Bleh from Hedje and others like 'watch your step this is our league' kind of vibes. It doesnt surprise me it ended up exploding in this way. If the women scene wants to grow they need to be able to deal with objective critisism. Right now the mods in the Impact chat ban anything slightly offensive/controversial/not fully positive instantly basicly killing any hype in the chat during matches.
The entire product is treated with kiddie gloves and generates no hype. The music they use sounds like someone googled a playlist called 'empowering women music'. When I tune in to the Impact league I want to get hyped for the matches and be entertained, but it feels more like a lecture and marketing exercise than a real league.
Moderating twitch chat is whatever because twitch chat enjoyers are idiots (myself included). But Bleh is a professional and a great analyst. Telling someone literally hired to critique performance to stop doing his job is just baffling. Not sure what Hedje wants, after every match, everyone at the desk should just say: "GG WP NTNT"? Not sure if Hedje has ever seen another eSports or even traditional sporting event, if you have a shit game, you're going to get criticised, that's literally his job.
Feel like Hedje's outburst is a bad look for women's esports, rather than objectively applying analysis that is done at *every single men's CS lan with an analyst desk* she's now gone viral and added fuel to the fire that women's esports should be infantilized. She is a terrible caster and now a terrible analyst. There are plenty of capable and talented women that deserve that spot over her.
Hell they should just hire Sjokz at this point to show them how to actually cast...that woman is the goat.@@Crossovahh
reddit threads don't show consensus, because users decide which posts to click and interact with. users who are interested in a topic are overrepresented in threads about it. when a post supports a certain view, people who share that view will be overrepresented in the comments. people who disagree will more often ignore it. this is how you get polar opposite circlejerks within the same subreddit.
Huh, yeah that does make sense. Never really thought about the selective engagement in a subreddit
bleh is da goat, didnt react to hedje at all even on socials after it happened!
big respect to bleh, incredible reaction to just keep going on the show
Saying this live and white knighting to the point of unprofessional idiocy. How did she get the job?
diversity quota
Someone wanted to pipe her
She’s a woman.
@@etas1c Preeeetty sure it is the exact opposite...
@@etas1cwdym it’s a women’s broadcast it’s meant to elevate the best women’s talent. And anyway a lot of the stronger women’s talent in Val would get the side eye from riot from participating
I get that shame is obviously dead in this day and age, but how in the fuck did immature grownup children invade and take root in EVERY side of everything that has something to do with the production of entertainment (gaming, cinema, etc)?
*sips coffee* heh
desire to be the center of attention motivates them to go into careers where they are the center of attention.
Fatherlessness. Creates both a desperate subconscious need for attention and the displacement of one’s own guilt and feelings of inadequacy onto perceived patriarchal authority figures.
when I saw that clip for the first time I assumed bleh said something back, maybe something stupid.
At the VERY least I thought he's gonna give away facial expressions on how cringe the situation was.
To my surprise bleh was a model professional.
If you can't handle your emotions, this kind of job is not for you. You should do something else.
And tbh she shouldn't be there anyways. Why is she hosting a English speaking event when clearly she has difficulty speaking English? I don't understand why some games do that. I say this as a non native English speaker and people like her just makes it harder to understand.
Yeah I hate this think so many so where it just gets to the point that one must treat all women like retarded children as I guess they have zero agency in what's happening
11:29 thats kinda bs imo. professionalism is, not bringing your problems into your work and not letting external factors influence your job otherwise everyone can do their job while they are high on life with no negativity going on in their mind
I don't even watch esports anymore but always find myself coming back for your videos, simply the best, keep it up man.
Never miss an RL vid
Couldn't imagine
To this day
Another case of "main character syndrome" imo.
what the fuck, how can you have such a melt down without any real reason. Not like he called them a useless dumpster fire that should quit playing. I wouldnt have known how to react, prolly would have asked if she is feeling allright or is having a mental episode.
On the blob most likely
He should be allowed to call them a dumpster fire, etc...
It actually took me 15 minutes to just watch the clip because I couldn’t stop cringing. Jesus
If a male host did this he would never get another gig again.
the accent makes it so much better😂😂😂
And the ultra thick norwegian accent makes the meltdown so much worse 🫣
Bleh is a legend for keeping composed and also not talking about it at all on twitter.
Shoutout Bleh for handling it like a professional.
Just a reminder that the 16-0 match from 2019 on youtube is titled "de_nuke Any% 0:28:57 ESL Pro League Record - Mousesports vs. EG"
I'd argue they got roasted multiple times harder and nobody was triggered.
Bleh should get so much respect for this. He is a great analyst and person
I'm in physical pain, that clip is incredible
My man Bleh doesn't give any fucks what an alpha
This is great perspective and background for the usual esports drama-of-the-day cycle that we get into. Thanks Richard.
You know you've fucked up when Richard Lewis calls you unprofessional
Why's that?
I hooked him lads, someone get the net @@RLewisReports
Ah the old "I was baiting you." Never seen that before. Surely you are capable of answering the question.
@@RLewisReportsah the old ask someone a question then ban them from commenting 😂 You've proven yourself yet again as the most pathetic eSports commentator. Thanks for showing thousands of people over the years what being a insecure sourpuss does to your character👍
@@RLewisReports Lmao short term memory must be bliss you chronic twitter using sperg.
I love how she basically agrees with the analyst but she's still mad.
What would have happened to a male analyst if he had responded in this manner to a female colleague?
Just tells him to leave out of nowhere = wild
Also hard to believe they have someone with such a thick accent on the mic.
That grown ass woman put herself in that position, end of.
That uppity skandinavian accent is unbearable.
Frankie might have all the information of Hedje's mental in this instance and in-depth consideration for her situation but really her of all people can't just come in from left field giving her a pass as the grand jury of esports twitter herself. "We can sweep this one under the rug aaaand delete all the vods, because we all have bad days sometimes". Filthy behavior.
was waiting for this video, what a crazy thing to happen live
The heavy nordic accent when people speak english is so cringe i die inside and im saying this as a swede
The way she said "You're just shitting on them" was so funny lol
She ain't svede doe
@@etas1cNORway is a NORdic country, tho
@@masdabugg8618 not all nordic accents are the same doe
Oooo this was very hard to watch she has her finger in his face and everything. The meltdown reeks of inferiority and trying to over compensate by saying TO THE PROFESSIONAL “you don’t deserve to be here”. Really not understanding that he is doing YOUR event a favour by being there. Nobody watches sport shows and desks to hear them say “awww well they tried their best”.
holy shit i'm an idiot, match up the tshirt to find the stream. thanks rich
So damn embarrassing!
She has been a part of gaming and esports for many years, and knows VERY well how analysts talk about performances.
And celebrating performance that didn't progress them in the competition. It's about a teams performance, and nothing personal towards the players.
She is an absolute hypocrite. And has been for a long time.
I'm sensitive to cringe and I just can't handle watching that clip
Damn i was watching Impact and i thought this was just a bad bit where she couldnt convey sarcasm and it went too far. Shit to see she was serious. Hopefully she and the production learns from this about recognizing when someone is close to snapping.
The thorin thing is 8 weeks off of being a decade old. he should have ripped off some fans money to make a documentary he would have served less time in twitter jail
Dear God, that was unprofessional as hell. Without an apology, she's gonna find some barricades in the furthering of her career for sure.
a lot of really valuable insight and opinion on this matter, appreciate the vid. I like to hear head on takes on stuff like that, can pull some info and inspiration on how to deal with similar situations in the future. thx
And people wonder why I'm leaving Norway this year.
Stop making excuses. Be real, it’s because nobody likes you there
First comment on your videos. Sorry to hear about your friend and the comments you had the day after. I've seen your stuff since 2014 or so, keep it up man. Us old dogs need to keep going no matter what :)
Lol she was 36
"Hedje" go focus your master’s degree in systems engineering instead. Advice From a fellow Norwegian.
When i saw that clip, I was hoping for a RLS commentary on the matter
gotta look at it realistically. the fact its a broadcast dosnt matter and whats going on behind the scenes dosnt matter. i dont, and no one should, give 2 fuckes about the situation. no one deserves to go to their job and get spoken to like that. simple as.
What happened to: Ok, I made a mistake/I fucked up - I own it, I'm sorry.
Give me a break, these are the sorts of people that say 'treat women like you would anyone else' while also wanting special treatment for women who play Esports. Everything he said is said about every mens team that underperforms too. If you are someone who wants more women in Esports, then dont be upset when they get treated just like everyone else.
"feisty one you are"
Almost didn't watch this out of fear for the cringe, but it was well worth it with minimal cringe
I dont care how much she knows about the game or how qualified she is to analyze games, this was super hard to watch
no hobby men do for fun has ever gotten better by forcing women into it
name one thing, you cant
Rapists would disagree
i was wating for someone to talk about this. i was shook when i saw this. as a norwegian we dont claim her. its like she thinks its a kindergarden competition were everyone has to win.
also watching the casting i think her english is not good enugh to cast if you have to mutch of a dialect you actualy turn away audience
Hedje can't just apologize behind the scenes... her outburst was on stream. The community deserves a public apology from her before she can be shown on any broadcast again.
Why is Frankie the way she is lmao
She gives narcissist vibes
First clip is prime Women in 2023-2024....Feelings hurt i rage
Recently saw a video about a Valorant match between Fnatic and a Tier 2 Japanese team and Fnatic was heavily criticized because they BARELY WON against said team and then C9 who was way lower in standing stomped said team basically. Who want's to bet she wouldn't have made a fuss if she was part of that discussion and yet she got pissed about this team that actually LOST despite being higher in standings than their opponents. Casters can be biased towards a team thats true but it should never get to the point that you would be outright aggressive towards another member on camera for criticizing the team you like, thats what happens in discord calls not what happens on an esports broadcast. She needs to get her shit together or get a different job if she can't manage to control herself and be amicable or at the very least more respectful in your interaction with your colleagues.
Maybe irrelevant but the reason there are women's leagues are not because some men are weird(some are ofc) but because there would be no female pro without.
Some men being weird is not what's stopping women from being as good as the best men.
Yeah I thought it was weird he compared women pros not being good enough to compete with men in CS as women needing their own spaces from freaks irl,
The women's competitive scene draws from a pool of players just a fraction of the size of the men's scene, so of course there will be less top tier performers, it's a statistics thing. One day when the women's player pool is larger I believe there will be women players who can hold their own in the main league
@@maxinew5817 People have said that for 20 years and there is a lot of women playing now and not a single one has ever been or is even close to t4(!) and men do have better reaction time and deferent
muscle structures that could also play a role.
Maybe there will be one or two women that can be a decent support on a t2 team in like 5-10 years.
@@ewweg I don't know why people try to pretend there isn't an advantage for men even in computer games. Like, the pool of players that are transgender is microscopic compared to the female player base, yet in the valorant women's scene, the two best players in the world this past year were teenage trans girls, lol. 2 people born men who are now women just dominated the pro scene, and people want to pretend it's just cuz there aren't enough girls playing or that boys are just big meanies and won't team with them. It's embarrassing.
@@ewweg there was 1 woman who played in t4 and she was actually against female only tournaments. the reason there are no good female competitors is because they all go for the easy money and choose to compete in women's only tournaments instead of taking their chances in mixed teams and facing real competition.
As a Norwegian, I can tell you that it was probably because she is Norwegian. The majority of us are basically grown children.
Oh man, been waiting for you to talk about this. Laughed uncontrollably when I saw this happen originally.
Bring back sam cam
Woman being emotional? WOW, never seen that before
Me either! We need more of them in the workforce so when they are having a bad day they can be spiteful and underhanded to us!!
Unrelated but I almost thought this thumbnail was a Freeman's Mind episode cuz it has almost the exact same layout
Her accent is enough to make a grown man cry
People have always got Shit going on in their Life, thats not an Excuse to be an unprofessional Twit.
Esports fans and cs redditors seem to go exclusively by who they like more. Someone said valid criticism to the player they like the most? The criticism is invalid and whpeve said it must be punished! An analyst we like got criticism for saying something about a team we don't care that much about? He should be able to say that, it's his job! It's hypocritical behavior based around who they like
Strange take. Not sure how you see this and think he shouldn't be defended
@@jamieeddolls5605 you misunderstand my point. I was pointing out how people think, explaining how people can react differently to the same situation depending on who's on which side. If some unknown analyst said something bad about jks, they'd get hated for it, whether it'd be valid or not. If a well known analyst says something bad about a relatively unknown player, people don't get mad, whether the criticism is warranted or not. It's not about it being warranted or backed up, it's just a popularity contest
i work in the service industry and u cant have a bad day, because it impacts the establishement u work for, this is completely unacceptable, considering that those are her true feelings on the matter, this is not someone who should be broadcasting
we dont have womens only spaces in sports because men are weird though. Comparing it to a gym is kinda a false equivalency. Like yes, you are right; but no, thats not why. We have only womens spaces in sports because they wouldnt stand a chance in a regular league or tournament.
Genuine question as someone who has been a fan of League esports for 12 years but... could you even imagine what would've happened if a woman was on the same team as the type of guys that were pro players back then? The amount of drama if there was cohabitation in any of the team houses- I think LCS would've buried itself irrepairably and its reputation in the first 3 years of existing.
Just generally how horrible the general fan reaction to any woman in the scene was at the time. Remilia played in the LCS and the way she was treated by much of the community was absolutely abhorrent and disgusting. Even after she passed her twitter replies were full of the most horrific posts I've ever seen celebrating her death and dehumanising her- years after she retired from LCS.
You're not wrong but RL absolutely isn't wrong either. The two mainstream reactions to women in the space was to either sexualise them if they showed themself or mock them for trying to even think about going pro for years while the scene was growing.
That is insane that the dude actually deleted the article. unbelievable.
My life, that Moses clip must be uncovered. Old dogshit still has me doubled over every time I rewatch it. 😂
You strike me as the sort that laughs at their own jokes a lot.
Everything is trial by twitter. Sad to say. They made the rules and do not want it to apply to themselves?
As if Moses saying he’s going to get in his wheelchair was beaten for a ridiculous thing to say
This is a prime example of a double standard.
that donnie darko movie said cellar door is the prettiest phrase in English. nah. It's nipple cupping.
Imagine if she was your mother... Id rather be an orphan.
Damn, what a way to handle that by Bleh
100% a meltdown because he dared to criticise the brave whamen of esports, no mistake about it what so ever, I was just waiting for her to pop a "misogynist" in there
English sounds really weird, when it’s half Swedish
3:36 ""Stop confusing me with Semmler ffs"
You and thorin so fucking undervalued. I've never taken part in twitter, I only want to watch you and Thorin's videos.
They filter through the bullshit to give us truth and humour 😊 no twitter here but it's nice to hear it through their lens
Bleh handled it extremely well, and aaalmost managed to stop the bullshittery somewhat early on with the HSG nerve comment, but she sadly interrupted TechGirl when she wanted to take over... (Also Tech's face at 7:03 , just probably looking at the people behind the scenes wondering "what the fuck is going on").
Another sad thing is those few twitch chatters I could see there with "tell em hedje" , "get him out xD" and "omg I love her"... that's just fucking sad... He is literally just doing his job, analyzing the teams, talking about the games etcetc.. just to get bullied by... someone who actually shouldnt be there it seems. In any other CS broadcast, criticizing the teams and talking about expectations is completely normal, as it is in sports overall...
Lastly... The whole "outrage" unironically reminds me of Froskurinn from her G4 clips and shit.
I would ignore the twitch chatters, they are merely 'girl power' viewers
@@jamieeddolls5605 There's a difference between "girl power", and being as pathetic to defend lunacy.
@@kasiphia i'd argue being a grown woman participating in 'girl power' activities is lunacy, but i get what you mean
@@jamieeddolls5605 Well even if it is, it's certainly not the same degree of lunacy, hence my comment.
being unable to understand how negative influence attracts people with other negative influence, a lot of people having an issue with what cadian did would go to a popping off forum post on reddit to see and interact with that post. The people, who thinks and didnt care about it, moved on with their life and never went to reddit to complain.
Forums are echo chambers for people, who are mad and want to complain.