I have to hand it to you, Bohemia. This is impressive. Your company is known for it's constant releasing of games with little content, but this is well done and has just everything one needs to make a COOP vs AI scenario more than just setting up a game and letting it go as you seem fit.
I've always wanted something like this in the Halo games. Ever since Halo 3, the main Halo games have had the Forge mode; a similar (but much smaller-scale and less in-depth) real-time level editor. However, Forge mode has never been implemented in public, competitive multiplayer, only private matches where keeping players out of the editor mode relies entirely on the honor system. If something like this was put into matchmaking, it could revolutionize Halo's stagnant multiplayer. While it would certainly be smaller-scale and lack AI control due to the limitations of a console, it would make for extremely hectic skirmishes if each team had an editor that could shift the balance of a match at the drop of a hat.
*****, do you plan to make any ShackTac mission videos made from the Zeus perspective? Or, for that matter, does ZX or any of the other ShackTac members plan to do so, to you knowledge? I think it would be exceptionally interesting, at least once in a while.
Yesterday, I participated in a Zeus game for the first time. We were about 40 people and it worked REALLY well. Zeus was an awesome idea! We used several Zeuses, it was really helpful ;-)
Thanks to this video, the Zeus function definitely looks and sounds interesting. Being able to add, remove, and/or manipulate objects in real-time has a very interesting effect on the gameplay. Think I might give it a try sometime soon.
Hi - I've been a Gamesmaster since 1978 and always thought that something like this would come along one day... I'd love to try it out if that's possible. Is there any way I can get hands on and start working with it? If so, where do I start? Thanks!!
It's just part of Arma 3 now, you can load up preexisting A3 MP scenarios with it, or do the SP tutorial, or implement it in the mission editor if you search their wiki/forums for info about it.
ok thanks, ***** ... it looks fabulous. I'm really curious about how to set myself up as a GM on the system. I'll poke around through the links you posted. Thanks.
I'm late, but official servers are places to experience it as a unit, while an offline session hosted through LAN might be better for learning how to be a game master.
Dslyecxi, great intro to Zeus. The capabilities of this new DLC are great and its potential is astounding. Bohemia... rename it Ares. I think that's more appropriate. :)
Will we see any "Zeus" gameplay from your perspective in the future? This looks really entertaining for both someone using it and watching it happen. I hope you will make videos and include this in the future.
Is there a way to use ZEUS mode in the Editor? I find placing smaller objects in the Enviroment Extremely difficult, since the Editor uses a map instead of actual 3D Graphics.
i bet Dsly loves the Zeus module hmmm? good times i made a Last Stand type scenario, it was awesome, basically i gave the player team 2 heavy tanks, 1 IFV, 1 AA, 1 littlebird, 2 MG hunters, 1 artillery barrage and tons of ammoboxes scattered around a small fortified base, they had to attempt to survive 11 heavy tanks, 4 attack heli, over 150 EI, 2 speedboats and 16 IFV separated on 3 waves, the final wave (4th) had unlimited amounts of enemies that attempted to kill them before they could get an evac by a friendly boat on the nearby beach :) the player team was only made up of 8 players (real-life friends) :D greatest time i ever had as Zeus, amazingly 5 of them survived too!!
"Benevolent God" Here's my epic "survival" mission where you literally have to scavenge everything and you could be teamkilled by a teammate for unintentionally stealing "their" stuff, before being left behind because no respawns at the action because MUH REALISM. And no I'm not spawning you an ATV so you can catch up because MUH IMERSHUN. Also it literally never ends. Oh and I'm also the admin. Have fun! *That's an order*
I think Zeus is fantastic. So fantastic that as soon as I realized I couldn't save my work it hit me just how frustrating the 2d editor is. I was so pissed I quit playing. The ability to see objects as you place them makes all the difference. I'm totally with the DM experience, but they have to extend this to general mission making.
This is how (in my opinion) battlefield 4 commander's mode should have been! :-) Just because of zeus i bought arma 3 after enjoying arma 2/OA for over 500 hours! :)
Hey Dyslexi, does this mean someone can control the AI of the enemy side while your in mission or is it always preprogrammed? Think that could be interesting & challenging?
I've noticed that the ArmA 2 and 3 mod "MCC" and Zeus look a lot alike in the idea of a Game Master and players playing his dynamic missions. Is there any chance that this is also true and that MCC was integrated into ArmA 3?
Will ShackTac be using Zeus for some of their Arma 3 Campaigns? and if so will it be used for just Co-Op or will there it see some use in adversarial too?
Dslyecxi, does Zeus allow you to hear "in-game" voice comms? If so it'd be really cool to see you do a video of you playing as Zeus for a shacktac mission. The thought of you zooming in on a squad and they're losing their shit over a single squad because you placed it behind them.
what are TH-cam videos called where the person plays as the gamemaster? I saw a really cool one where the gamemaster messed with the other players by switching to AI and shooting near them. I don't remember what those types of videos are called
hey dslyexci is there by any chance once i get a good computer to run arma 3 that someone in shacktac could run me through the basic controls and teach me cuz id love to be a part of the shacktac group
***** I have been watching these ARMA videos for quite some time, and I've finally gotten out of some financial problems and have some spare cash to get ARMA. The only problem is, I don't have a good enough computer to run Arma 3. Are there still enough people playing Arma 2 to make it worth buying, or should I wait and get a better computer first to get Arma 3? Also, I'd really like to do some stuff with you ShackTac guys, because out of all the videos I've seen, you guys seem to be the most cooperative and into it, so are there any more ShackTac operations in Arma 2?
Can you take an already-made mission scenario and use that with Zeus? So you take the time well before the game to set up all of the bases, camps, a lot of enemy positions, starting assets, etc. and so that it's all there and ready to go for the game, but still have Zeus there to make changes depending on how the session goes?
My worry about Zeus is that it might kill one of the best things about Arma - the emergent gameplay aspect. If you have a game master controlling the spawning of mission elements, it might turn everything into a call of duty esque world in which amazing stuff has to be happening every second, with explosions and ambushes everywhere. I guess it will all depend on the game master, but it seems like it would be hard to stop yourself removing all the 'boring' parts of a mission.
Probably not a big deal...since the majorities of public server is playing 'wasteland', 'altis life', and 'KOH' (aka: "sooooo fun mission"), which public zeus server is pretty damn rare.
I had quite good fun with making some missions with AI vs AI simply to see how it'll turn out. I ended up making a D-Day-ish beach assault - Opfor vs Blufor - but I had the problem of the boats with HMGs on weren't available for Blufor and so I had to spend ages micromanaging people in and out of the boat on land. Then I had to move the vehicle onto water and when I copied and pasted it almost all the units on the boat disappeared apart from the driver, gunner and commander.. Then there was the problem of when they got close to the shore they completely forgot about their waypoints and just sat there on the sea whilst they got mowed down... The other problem I found was when I was playing with Zeus with a friend I would click on a mood, position or formation and then click 'Ok' it'd mess up and stick them to something completely random that I didn't want them to be. Does anybody else get that problem or was it simply lag that caused it to mess up...
I would like to see one mission made by you using ZEUS - for once this is learining experience from viewers, second might be good guide on how to not abuse this. Just show us HOW :D
i like the idea of mastering/designing the game at the start of an op, but knowing that there is someone in constant control of how the play is unfolding is a little bit of an immersion breaker for me.
OneGenericName An another says: No plan survives the first contact intact. :P @davevti9: Consider Zeus the GM (gamemaster) in a p&p that controls the AI, sets the scenario and faces the players with challenges. What seperates good from bad GMs, however, is the way they do it and with what intention. Bad GMs will most likely giggle presenting the group with insurmountable obstacles, while a good one will probably spice it up and make the satisfaction just a tad sweeter through the additional challenge. It is basically a blessing and a curse and therefore demands a thoughtful and mature operator behind ZEUS in order to unfold the proper potential behind it. In my humble opinion, this here truely is one of those "innovations" everyone always cried for; direct interaction between players and environment with events happening as you go through a mission, not a prepared set of triggers made by the mapmaker days or months ago.
You could think of Zeus as being both a friendly and/or enemy general, providing reinforcements to the enemy once they're engaged or additional resources to your team if you come up against an insurmountable force. After all, if you watch Shacktac videos they often change objectives based on how the game is progressing, I think it's interesting to have a higher command aspect to a mission, rather than just being a squad cut off from the world.
Peter Lustig i see your point, i guess having an AI GM that is as innovative as a human GM is long way away, its probably the next best thing until such a thing is possible in games...
Join an MP server running it, host an MP server and pick the Zeus scenarios, try the SP Zeus tutorial, or set it up in an editor scenario yourself. Those are the basic options.
So. I got to Zeus one of our sessions... And now everyone's hating on me, because they didn't kick ass and take names as on a target range. How is it my fault that they failed to dive away from detection by a boat? Of course they got detected while on the surface! How is it my fault that a semi-stealth mission takes place in very low (more towards zero on the scale) visibility? (Ok, that one MIGHT be my fault) How is it that I "played AIs to kill them", if remote-controlled AIs kept missing entire magazines on point blank range? I felt embarrassed after one of them failed to return fire in this manner... more than 40 rounds later. Of course I killed the guy. Why are they pissed the enemy sent in divers to dig them out of the water ten minutes after detection? What is the real problem here? Am I a crap Zeus, or do they just cry too much?
they cry to much, we did a sea insertion mission with me as zeus and in pea soup fog at night and they were crying cause they were getting engaged from the shore... no one is happy with zeus
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My use: make the Ai fight each other
ARMA just became a cool RTS
I now want to see Dslyecxi show us a round where he plays as Zeus.
I have to hand it to you, Bohemia. This is impressive. Your company is known for it's constant releasing of games with little content, but this is well done and has just everything one needs to make a COOP vs AI scenario more than just setting up a game and letting it go as you seem fit.
Little content? I think they are known for the opposite...
Westonsammy Their games have always had little base content, but a lot of content from DLCs and mods.
I've always wanted something like this in the Halo games. Ever since Halo 3, the main Halo games have had the Forge mode; a similar (but much smaller-scale and less in-depth) real-time level editor. However, Forge mode has never been implemented in public, competitive multiplayer, only private matches where keeping players out of the editor mode relies entirely on the honor system. If something like this was put into matchmaking, it could revolutionize Halo's stagnant multiplayer. While it would certainly be smaller-scale and lack AI control due to the limitations of a console, it would make for extremely hectic skirmishes if each team had an editor that could shift the balance of a match at the drop of a hat.
+Ross Thomas It's the Arma 3 soundtrack, or parts of it.
This was a brilliant idea for a DLC, it looks awesome!
i can see this beign a basis for mods... for example a complete change of game genre from tactical FPS, to pure RTS...
Dang, looks like Shacktac is about to get a whole lot more interesting (not that it wasn't already amazing).
I laughed when I found out you could directly control units.
"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
Then you get players whining because they don't even exercise basic situational awareness
*****, do you plan to make any ShackTac mission videos made from the Zeus perspective? Or, for that matter, does ZX or any of the other ShackTac members plan to do so, to you knowledge? I think it would be exceptionally interesting, at least once in a while.
Well, now what am I supposed to do with this erection??
Shack it off
Some of the best videos I've watched in a while, thanks Dslyecxi ! :)
Aside from playing the actual game, this would be pretty useful for anyone who wants to make a machinima
Yesterday, I participated in a Zeus game for the first time. We were about 40 people and it worked REALLY well. Zeus was an awesome idea! We used several Zeuses, it was really helpful ;-)
shouldn't it be called ARES? because.. you know...
+Johnny “Johnnynoscope” Noscope lol
@@roytheduck926 Sorry what?
Awesome video! Can't wait to see what can be done with this!
it would be cool if someone made a D&D type minigame with this feature.....I am a nerd, I know :(
And noone blames you for being a nerd! :]
Man I can't wait to see what ShackTac does with Zeus.
Thanks to this video, the Zeus function definitely looks and sounds interesting. Being able to add, remove, and/or manipulate objects in real-time has a very interesting effect on the gameplay. Think I might give it a try sometime soon.
Hi - I've been a Gamesmaster since 1978 and always thought that something like this would come along one day... I'd love to try it out if that's possible. Is there any way I can get hands on and start working with it? If so, where do I start? Thanks!!
It's just part of Arma 3 now, you can load up preexisting A3 MP scenarios with it, or do the SP tutorial, or implement it in the mission editor if you search their wiki/forums for info about it.
ok thanks, ***** ... it looks fabulous. I'm really curious about how to set myself up as a GM on the system. I'll poke around through the links you posted. Thanks.
+Dslyecxi Which type of server runs these missions
I'm late, but official servers are places to experience it as a unit, while an offline session hosted through LAN might be better for learning how to be a game master.
Looking forward to seeing some Shacktac videos using this. Especially the ability to take control of AI at key points.
"I sure hope BLUFOR doesn't discover our secret base in Athira!" Hahahahaha
i have played only a small amount of ARMA 2 but i now want ARMA 3 because this looks so fun
Dslyecxi, great intro to Zeus. The capabilities of this new DLC are great and its potential is astounding.
Bohemia... rename it Ares. I think that's more appropriate. :)
OH MY GOD WHY DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS?!?!?!?!?!?
Would definitely love to see a Zeus perspective.
Potential to be amazing if the Zeus and scenario are top notch :) Going to give it a bash!
Will we see any "Zeus" gameplay from your perspective in the future? This looks really entertaining for both someone using it and watching it happen. I hope you will make videos and include this in the future.
Your videos are informative and articulate! Thanks!
At first I thought I was looking at World in Conflict
Is there a way to use ZEUS mode in the Editor? I find placing smaller objects in the Enviroment Extremely difficult, since the Editor uses a map instead of actual 3D Graphics.
The 3D Editor will be released soon
love the way you play mate, its about playing the game. would love to be apart of the shacktac experience one day.
I would love! to see a video from you when you using zeus and making a misson for your team.
i bet Dsly loves the Zeus module hmmm? good times
i made a Last Stand type scenario, it was awesome, basically i gave the player team 2 heavy tanks, 1 IFV, 1 AA, 1 littlebird, 2 MG hunters, 1 artillery barrage and tons of ammoboxes scattered around a small fortified base, they had to attempt to survive 11 heavy tanks, 4 attack heli, over 150 EI, 2 speedboats and 16 IFV separated on 3 waves, the final wave (4th) had unlimited amounts of enemies that attempted to kill them before they could get an evac by a friendly boat on the nearby beach :)
the player team was only made up of 8 players (real-life friends) :D
greatest time i ever had as Zeus, amazingly 5 of them survived too!!
OUT STANDING Video ....
Thanks
That is just amazing I wish I could play with you guys on Arma 2 oa or regular Arma 2.
"Benevolent God"
Here's my epic "survival" mission where you literally have to scavenge everything and you could be teamkilled by a teammate for unintentionally stealing "their" stuff, before being left behind because no respawns at the action because MUH REALISM. And no I'm not spawning you an ATV so you can catch up because MUH IMERSHUN.
Also it literally never ends. Oh and I'm also the admin. Have fun!
*That's an order*
Wow, I'm dying to see what you guys make with this
this could be used to make a really kick ass rts with a little modding
I think Zeus is fantastic. So fantastic that as soon as I realized I couldn't save my work it hit me just how frustrating the 2d editor is. I was so pissed I quit playing.
The ability to see objects as you place them makes all the difference. I'm totally with the DM experience, but they have to extend this to general mission making.
Are there any Shack Tactical mission videos where Zeus is used?
amazing commentary man
hope to see lots of Zeus vids soon :)
yay a zeus video
2:27 ASSUMING CONTROL!
that is so revolutionary.
Dslyecxi do you ever serve as game master in shacktac sessions? if so would it be worth making a video on? thanks for the upload
This is how (in my opinion) battlefield 4 commander's mode should have been! :-) Just because of zeus i bought arma 3 after enjoying arma 2/OA for over 500 hours! :)
Hey Dyslexi, does this mean someone can control the AI of the enemy side while your in mission or is it always preprogrammed? Think that could be interesting & challenging?
Dslyecxi will you be doing a video where you are zues?
I've noticed that the ArmA 2 and 3 mod "MCC" and Zeus look a lot alike in the idea of a Game Master and players playing his dynamic missions. Is there any chance that this is also true and that MCC was integrated into ArmA 3?
Will ShackTac be using Zeus for some of their Arma 3 Campaigns? and if so will it be used for just Co-Op or will there it see some use in adversarial too?
Cool. Does this mean that we will see some Shack Tactical operations from the Zeus perspective with you in control?
now they just need to optimize the engine so im not stuck at 10 frames all the time.
Dslyecxi, does Zeus allow you to hear "in-game" voice comms? If so it'd be really cool to see you do a video of you playing as Zeus for a shacktac mission. The thought of you zooming in on a squad and they're losing their shit over a single squad because you placed it behind them.
When do we see a shacktec training camp run on Zeus?
I hope they will add editor tutorial...
Wonder if they'll do a Zeus Vs Zeus PvP mode.
ohhh Zeus Vs. Zeus AI battles!!
what are TH-cam videos called where the person plays as the gamemaster? I saw a really cool one where the gamemaster messed with the other players by switching to AI and shooting near them. I don't remember what those types of videos are called
+tymonkey12 check out a youtuber called luetin he does this
hey dslyexci is there by any chance once i get a good computer to run arma 3 that someone in shacktac could run me through the basic controls and teach me cuz id love to be a part of the shacktac group
Has Shacktac ever played with a mission with a Zeus overlord?
This is awesome!!
absolutely awesome. now we need someone to mod this for a dayZ. BUT... zombies die from head shots only...
***** I have been watching these ARMA videos for quite some time, and I've finally gotten out of some financial problems and have some spare cash to get ARMA. The only problem is, I don't have a good enough computer to run Arma 3. Are there still enough people playing Arma 2 to make it worth buying, or should I wait and get a better computer first to get Arma 3? Also, I'd really like to do some stuff with you ShackTac guys, because out of all the videos I've seen, you guys seem to be the most cooperative and into it, so are there any more ShackTac operations in Arma 2?
sounds cool
Can you take an already-made mission scenario and use that with Zeus? So you take the time well before the game to set up all of the bases, camps, a lot of enemy positions, starting assets, etc. and so that it's all there and ready to go for the game, but still have Zeus there to make changes depending on how the session goes?
I believe so, yes.
So they made Dslyecxi mode?
My worry about Zeus is that it might kill one of the best things about Arma - the emergent gameplay aspect. If you have a game master controlling the spawning of mission elements, it might turn everything into a call of duty esque world in which amazing stuff has to be happening every second, with explosions and ambushes everywhere. I guess it will all depend on the game master, but it seems like it would be hard to stop yourself removing all the 'boring' parts of a mission.
Probably not a big deal...since the majorities of public server is playing 'wasteland', 'altis life', and 'KOH' (aka: "sooooo fun mission"), which public zeus server is pretty damn rare.
Can you save scenarios?
This might have just convinced me to buy Arma 3 :P
So, did you get it?
Nice, Thanks
How and where can i participate as a player into these Zeus missions?
just filter for mission: ZGM or zeus in the server browser
awesome!
Can more than one player play as Zeus (game master)? If so how many, and do they all have the same power?
Yes, the numbers of zeus you can have is only limited by the engine which in turn is limited by the server.
We're is that building at 00:52 located?
It's the ghost hotel* in the top right of Altis on the northern side of the peninsula.
HawksHail ghost hotel, not casino
In which difficulty level are thoose ai please ?
You can set what difficulty the AI are before you start the game up
Couldn't watch this on Arma 3's youtube page, thanks.
Didn't I see this video a week or two ago?
why is it they can build a 3d editor made to be used well the game is playing in multiplayer. But can't add a normal 3d mode for the editor.
I love the DLC and the game my only problem is that the game is not available on the mac.
+Patricio Ochoa it is now
I swear I saw this video about a week ago. How come it says it was uploaded 23 hours ago?
You most likely saw the video on Bohemia's TH-cam channel.They posted the video first, last week. :)
ImAlwayz Wrightz
Thanks. that must be what it was.
I had quite good fun with making some missions with AI vs AI simply to see how it'll turn out. I ended up making a D-Day-ish beach assault - Opfor vs Blufor - but I had the problem of the boats with HMGs on weren't available for Blufor and so I had to spend ages micromanaging people in and out of the boat on land. Then I had to move the vehicle onto water and when I copied and pasted it almost all the units on the boat disappeared apart from the driver, gunner and commander.. Then there was the problem of when they got close to the shore they completely forgot about their waypoints and just sat there on the sea whilst they got mowed down...
The other problem I found was when I was playing with Zeus with a friend I would click on a mood, position or formation and then click 'Ok' it'd mess up and stick them to something completely random that I didn't want them to be. Does anybody else get that problem or was it simply lag that caused it to mess up...
So Zeus is 3D Editor or RTS mode?
Both
More like the GM in DnD
how do you switch to left hand?
Stance adjust and hit the move left key.
My god....thx, you answered O:
isn't the zeus system amazing.
I would like to see one mission made by you using ZEUS - for once this is learining experience from viewers, second might be good guide on how to not abuse this. Just show us HOW :D
I feel like if I get this, ima be like "capture and hold that base" and once the players do "Enemies are sending reinforcements" x100
Dslyecxi give in this game new map ,new guns ,vehicles.Because this gun what we have is small edition.Arma 2 is better right now
i like the idea of mastering/designing the game at the start of an op, but knowing that there is someone in constant control of how the play is unfolding is a little bit of an immersion breaker for me.
OneGenericName
An another says: No plan survives the first contact intact. :P
@davevti9: Consider Zeus the GM (gamemaster) in a p&p that controls the AI, sets the scenario and faces the players with challenges. What seperates good from bad GMs, however, is the way they do it and with what intention. Bad GMs will most likely giggle presenting the group with insurmountable obstacles, while a good one will probably spice it up and make the satisfaction just a tad sweeter through the additional challenge. It is basically a blessing and a curse and therefore demands a thoughtful and mature operator behind ZEUS in order to unfold the proper potential behind it. In my humble opinion, this here truely is one of those "innovations" everyone always cried for; direct interaction between players and environment with events happening as you go through a mission, not a prepared set of triggers made by the mapmaker days or months ago.
You could think of Zeus as being both a friendly and/or enemy general, providing reinforcements to the enemy once they're engaged or additional resources to your team if you come up against an insurmountable force.
After all, if you watch Shacktac videos they often change objectives based on how the game is progressing, I think it's interesting to have a higher command aspect to a mission, rather than just being a squad cut off from the world.
Peter Lustig i see your point, i guess having an AI GM that is as innovative as a human GM is long way away, its probably the next best thing until such a thing is possible in games...
what I need to do to play Zeus?
Join an MP server running it, host an MP server and pick the Zeus scenarios, try the SP Zeus tutorial, or set it up in an editor scenario yourself. Those are the basic options.
+Dslyecxi and when u run it in the editor do u have to download it or u got to editor and find zeus
ZX64's new toy.
is this mean Zeus vs Zeus , players control ???
Too bad nobody plays Zeus anymore. RIP.
leutin09 has a great Zeus community going on Ahoy servers UK. great channel
So. I got to Zeus one of our sessions...
And now everyone's hating on me, because they didn't kick ass and take names as on a target range.
How is it my fault that they failed to dive away from detection by a boat? Of course they got detected while on the surface!
How is it my fault that a semi-stealth mission takes place in very low (more towards zero on the scale) visibility? (Ok, that one MIGHT be my fault)
How is it that I "played AIs to kill them", if remote-controlled AIs kept missing entire magazines on point blank range? I felt embarrassed after one of them failed to return fire in this manner... more than 40 rounds later. Of course I killed the guy.
Why are they pissed the enemy sent in divers to dig them out of the water ten minutes after detection?
What is the real problem here? Am I a crap Zeus, or do they just cry too much?
they cry to much, we did a sea insertion mission with me as zeus and in pea soup fog at night and they were crying cause they were getting engaged from the shore... no one is happy with zeus
Everyone in Arma Zeus now:
*Kill the guy lol*
Now I must have an ai battle... starcraft style
Like a dungeon master...
"Suus" xD
I do admit I am really really disappointed with the bare-bones content of ARMA3. Waste of money compared to even the vanilla content of ARMA2:OA :(
and then,
everyone plays wasteland anyway.
They too.