2012 Mazda MX-5 Miata vs. 2013 MINI Roadster Cooper S
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Despite the MINI Roadster being the latest in a long line of two-seater sports cars from the land of the Redcoats, when it comes to the key qualities of style, fun and value, it's obvious that the Japanese make a superior British roadster, even to the British.
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MX-5 looks better because it's lower and wider. Mini looks like a bathtub with wheels. Plus, fuck the FWD roadster!
The ironic thing is, the Mini isn't a true British roadster. It's heavy, FWD, ugly. Need I go on?
AMEN!
well, as a Miata owner, I've got my bases covered here, but I will point out that the Mini has always been front wheel drive, and the original Mini was an extraordinary car. The Cooper and Cooper S variants blew the doors off competition on the track and the rally circuits. For the time, it was also as reliable as almost anything on the road. Anyway, I'm more than happy with the rear wheel drive on the Miata and I'll stay with the horse I rode in on
i love that this youtube channel puts a big emphasis on simple and fun to drive.
Why did you compare a base M-X5 to a top of the range Mini Roadster?
Great point.
Probably that’s all they had to compare
Not top of the line 🤣
It's just the s version still can go up the chain to the jcw roadster
I got my 2011 mini s fully loaded only a year and a half old with 45000 miles for $15,000 . Who buys a car new? Idiots do. There not expensive
I dont buy new, either! Lol. Also, I only drive manual. Agreed, unless youre wealthy and can afford to throw around cash, and there is nothing wrong with that, buying a brand new car isnt always worth it.
Well, most should not buy a mini new as they sink like a rock. Ive honestly seen some cars to be better deals new at times.
That said, if nobody buys a new mini, you don't buy a used one.
Proud owner of a 01 MX-5. My trips to the grocery store tend to be extended because I just do not want to park this thing!
"FWD is better"
We are talking about sports cars?
What the fuck?
Are you really praising a sports car for it's storage space??
Let's face it guys, other than having drop tops and two seats the Mini Roadster and the Miata simply are NOT in the same class. I actually love the Mini Roadster because it's a fresh twist on a fun to drive niche car. The Miata instead has the same stale appearance that hasn't changed much since it was introduced. The bottom line is some people just like Minis - it's a car that will always have a following! Want a real sports car? Buy a Porsche or even a Ferrari!
This comparison is so screwed up its not even funny. I'd take the miata any day of the week, and I did.
mx 5 reliable and cheap as hell to maintain - far more enjoyable to drive-
mini coopers a fucking nightmare in repair costs and have major reliability issues
I've had my mini 2 jcw since 2006 and I have only had one problem with the power steering pump. 223 hp and 236 ft/lbs of torque with Megan 3' headers and mf cat back exauhst, 6 speed manual. I will and have beaten any miata in a straight line lol and think miatas look like every other Mazda out there
+Travis Mobley yah and cost $10+k more.... you can't compare minis top performance car to an na miata in a straight line. that isn't what miatas are about. but I guarentee you'd still lose with your 70 more horsepower if you were on a windy mountain road.... Lmao
Travis Mobley I wouldn't be surprised if the Cooper S in this video is actually just as much "fun" as the NC MX-5
+FXloaphy sorry but i'm affraid miata would win in straight and on track with cooper
@@DonaldJPump24 and years later…. The MX-5 is still running strong and your imaginary mini cooper is on Craigslist not running for $750 obo.
If you like driving get a Mini. A Mini Cooper S is the only car under $30,000 that was even listed on Car and Tracks Slalom results. It ran it in 69.4 seconds. It was listed ahead of the Ferrari California; Camaro SS; and the Benz SL63 AMG.
The Mini Cooper S has higher HP; higher torque; and higher power to weight ratio overall. It has a faster 0-60 time.
Not sure why anyone would pick the Miata as a better driving car over the Mini. It is worse in nearly every area.
It's not about speed. It's about DRIVING.
Excellent, creative and fun comparison! Both of you did a great job! Go Miata!!
The MX5 is the purist sports car you can get. Stop ripping on the original. Get out of here MINI, stick to your Cooper S's
Mini has been around waaaay before the miata lol
Did I say original sports car? No.
JCW is better
why do you guys never talk about consumption, emissions, service cost, parts availability, engine failures and ease of repairs. this is what buyers want to know about
Lwazi Sijaji honestly, I can"t See why they should. If people were interested would there be a single SUV on the road?
So don't buy a minnie!!!!
I own both! I have the first generation Miata - a 97 M Edition with 230k miles and bought a 2013 Mini Roadster (not an S version) brand new. The Miata is a stick and the Mini is autotrans. I commute nearly every day in stop and go traffic for at least an hour one way. I'm not the tallest person and it's work to drive the Miata. It's not work to drive the Mini. The Miata has been my daily driver for years. I love the pop up headlights, the simplicity of virtually no electronics, it's nearly 20 years old. And other Miata drivers are really friendly, plus it has the best horn sound out there. I didn't want to buy another car, but knew I didn't want the low slung, manual tranny Miata that I had as a daily driver. You're literally 6-8 inches from seating on the pavement. The Mini answered both those requirements. Convertibles are all I've owned. The Mini is definitely more practical for daily driving, the storage in the trunk is amazing! You can put a dead body AND a suitcase with room to spare - there's even speakers in the truck and a 12v plug. I love both!
Dead body, eh? 🤔
What about that dead body smell....easy to remove?
"The best British Roaster is Japanese.." that's awesome!
Why would you compare a base model with a non base. Blatantly biased right off the bat
I had driven both cars for a few days. When I took my Porsche Gt3RS for service. The rental car gave me a choice of both cars. I like the MX-5 more than the mini. MX-5 handle light and agile. Remind me of the classic MG
I learned my lesson with mini. It was a classic money pit. Yes, it was a fun car that has some real pickup. Being able to turn tight roads at highspeeds was fun, but i did spend almost six thousand to fix it, only for it to keep breaking down. I have an mx5 and I love it. I always wanted one, ever since I was a kid. I should have gone with miata from the beginning. I didnt have turbo, but just basic mini. Mx5 seems faster than regular mini. I might test drive turbo one day, but will never buy one again. Everything just went to hell at 110k miles. First it was water pump, then it was fan house, then it was a alternator belt,then it was fuel pump, another fan house, and an axle, then it was a blown motor, then it was transmission. Just one thing after another in 6 months. Lol... I drove it home after motor was replaced, and it broke down the very next day, lol.
Oh, but i gotta agree, and im amazed. Miata really is better. Yes, mini really is just like driving a big go cart. Miata is a car, and it drives like one. Also, its more comfortable for long trips. I cant believe I didnt try miata before buying a mini.
Bro, you and me both. Reading your post is like reading my own life. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mini. It was spacious and practical for my needs, loved the torque and the exhaust notes. But at 89k the car evolved into a lemon.
Transmission gears blown, ABS speed sensor failed (twice), motor mount leak (twice), timing chain belt, leaking thermostat, fried brake/clutch fluid, hydraulic fluid leak from front shocks, constant engine overheating, and the car ate the rear tires because of the negative camber. The worst part is that the air conditioning wasn't strong enough for the Texas heat especially with the large double sunroof UGH!!
I was tired of it, so I bought an Accord because it was sensible. I got bored quick. So I got crazy again and traded in a perfectly good Accord for a Miata, and wow! no regrets here. It's nice to have fun without the anxiety of something going wrong. It's so easy to work on, I have 110k and I think I can get another 100k easily. It's the only car I have and I drive about 120miles daily. I love the retractable roof. When I first drove my mini I thought the fun handling was second to none, but now I know it's second to the MX-5.
Live and learn I guess, but the Miata is a better car. Period.
over a decade ago? more like over 2 decades ago...
more like 2.5 decades ago
Now 3 decades
Now 3
How are you going to compare a base MX-5 with what looks to be like a middle-higher trim well equipped Mini.
as mazda roadster (Na) and mini cooper S owner, i don't find mini is catch up with miata interm of fun and driving fun with out hurt your pocket .....
for me miata win all the way ... forget to mention, mini seat bracket is cost usd 800 and it just 3 year old .....
I never understood how people driving fwd cars claim that a miata is girly... furthermore, I think the mini looks god awful. the miata, while not really making any statements definitely looks better.
Cant compare FWD to RWD, there is no comparison...
Of course you can compare.
The mini looks like a pug. The Miata looks like Mila Kunis.
That Mini ain't got nothin' on the Miata.
why on earth is this even a test?
why not?
Miata drivers, drive on mountain road to have fun.
Mini drivers, drive to the mall to have fun.
jgk0904 LOL this one got me.
Laughable comment here ! Never driven a Miata obviously...
Dumbest thing I've read bro why lie. Mx-5 are for hella short people I tried getting in one and couldn't fit with the seat all the way back and down and I'm only 6'4.. and my in Mini Cooper I fit with extra head room. This is on my momma to mx-5 are for lil men.
So the MX-5 is slower, with a poorer fit and finish, and this makes it better? I would rather have the British sports car (R59) on track day and as a daily driver.
The one in the video is a base model + you can't really compare RWD to FWD
My brother just picked up the Cooper S Roadster and seriously, the interior had way too much going on. Driving is refined though, but I like the clear interior yet the timeless Miata.
The MX-5 is a sports car. The Mini is a sporty hatch. A very sporty hatch, in fact, but still not a sports car.
simple and fun to drive is how I like my women. But when I'm buying something new it's gotta stack up to justify it's monthly payments. :/
Miata reviewer stalled at the end ROFL!!! Don't think i've ever seen that in a professional review LoL great job though love this channel
Mazda is a sports car that is made for driving enthusiasts, Mini on the other hand is for fashion freaks that like to be seen.
A base mx5 with a almost full extras mini. You should hear the bose Soundsystem from the more equiped version for example...
there is nothing that mini does better than mazda!
Fuel economy.
but damn its ugly..
Laimis does just about everything better than mazda
FWD all needs to be said.
My vote is also Miata over this mini. Its just so much more balanced and with that gearbox and handling.. puts a smile on your face all the time! Bring on the MX-5 GT and it wins with even more conviction.
Next time use two white guys.
+kicksoffs why. that guy was good
Currently selling my 08 Cooper S after just getting a bone stock NA Miata. Mini is an absolutely joy to drive but the N14 has been completely unreliable. Hoping the Miata will be just as enjoyable. Getting the car in a week or so.
Edit: 4 months later. Got my Miata and got a few stock plus handling mods, easily more fun, better handling, and more fun than my old Mini.
Miata wins in my book.
Strange tastes expressed here as the Mini is goofy looking as hell and the Miata LOOKS like a low poised roadster/actual SPORTS CAR ...the mini looks like frivilous and if either cars qualify as girly it is the Mini not the MX5. Miatas are well developed cars not just something cool and different looking. BTW one can easily slap a turbo on a Miata if one wants the extra power and the reliability and maintence issues which DO accompany such ....and for the little bit of HP advantage of the Mini one has to recognize that it is offset by being significantly HEAVIER ...if one wants the most actual SPORTSCAR performance it is a no-brainer to choose the MX5 every time!
I hate to break it to you but numbers don't tell the whole story. Car and Track? That's funny you say that because if you search for Car and DRIVER best handling under $40k the Miata was second only to the Evo. JCW mini ($32k) was behind even the mustang lol. The mini is a fun commuter car but it will never be a well-balanced RWD sports car. Even a 20 yr old Miata is a set of tires/shocks and a couple bolt ons away from being a proper sports /track car.
The mini failed in typical german fashion they missed the point... the miata isn't the prettiest, its not the fastest... that's why ppl love it there's something to be said about a car that you can just abuse and it just gives you more and more in return; the mini is fwd, heavier, and overly optioned and overpriced its a fashion car... still nice but its definatly being marketed wrong its a semi-light luxury cabriolet not a lightweight roadster
MX5 = driver's car. Mini roadster = designer hand bag on wheels. Do these journalists even have a clue? At 2:52, the man says that the mini is "a British Roadster at its best". At this point my ears started to bleed. I have three words for you: FRONT, WHEEL, DRIVE. This deems the car (mini) not a sports car, let alone a british one, which is actually exactly what the MX5 was built as a tribute to, albeit made in Japan. Mini fans don't be sad, but your car doesn't compare here. See vs. VW Golf.
WTAF is Richard on about? FWD is the better drivetrain? FWD better than RWD? I'm sure he's a swell guy but a driving enthusiast he is not.
what a crap comparison.. you dont even compare the Miata sport model... which has a 6 speed and either a hardtop or soft top -__- you compare a base miata which they will rarely sell in dealerships :/ ... why only the BASE Miata???? what's the point.....
Search "car and driver best handling car under 40000". It's true the stats are in the Mini's favor. However even with better numbers it still can't overshadow the Miata. It blows my mind that anyone would think an under steering FWD is a great sports car. Did you really just link to Wikipedia??? That's downright desperate.
lol funny how you state numbers don't tell the whole story; that is typically what people say when no numbers favor them lol. Oh and what Car and Driver article stated that? I just googled it and found nothing.
The Mazda 5 doesn't even get listed on the Nurburgring lap times! LOL!
wikipedia . org / wiki / List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
The Mini Roadster is completely pointless. It is less practical than the 4-seat version, more expensive and the spoiler only increases drag and lowers fuel economy by pressing down the non-drive wheels. The normal Cooper convertible makes a case for itself by being more luxurious and more practical than the Miata, even if it is wrong-wheel drive.
Too bad the Mini is NOTORIOUSLY UNRELIABLE!! Like a "New" Beetle. Miata is bulletproof.
Too bad the Mini is NOTORIOUSLY UNRELIABLE!! Like a "New" Beetle. Miata is bulletproof.
Too bad the Mini is NOTORIOUSLY UNRELIABLE!! Like a "New" Beetle. Miata is bulletproof.
Too bad the Mini is NOTORIOUSLY UNRELIABLE!! Like a "New" Beetle. Miata is bulletproof.
great review!
The Mazda is a tough little fucking car and the Mini is pretty unreliable ... fun to drive? Don’t even go there !!! Miata all the way!
My brother recently bought the Cooper S Roaster. I felt that it was somewhat cluttered and you could tell that Cooper just wants to be unique. But definitely, there were just too much distraction. Maybe it looks cool if you like people looking at you -- maybe people that cares more about what people think of them are better suited for the Cooper. But I think overall, Miata's a better buy if you just like driving and not care about what people think of you.
They should have used a 2013 mazdaspeed3 vs the mini. The mazdaspeed3 is cheaper and will destroy the mini, lol. Turbo vs turbo, fwd vs fwd, cheaper vs more expensive and speed3 would still come out on top! lol
You say "the Mini is loud and proud" are you? I notice you go out of you way to avoid saying you are Canadian. As a black man I am very disappointed in kissing up to the Americans! Where is liter per 100km and Canadian pricing?
I have owned both and I definitely prefer the MX-5 - it’s close but for me I want another Mazda
LOL! Nice touch at the end - the best British Roadster; is JAPANESE! haha great fun video guys!
I might sound stupid for asking this. But is there a difference between a Miata and MX5? Or is it like a skyline and G35? Just American and Japanese names?
***** Same reason why the Nissan Fairlady Z had its name changed to 240z etc.
Not even a fair contest. Model vs Super Model Turbo. Mazda just lays there.
MINI ROCKS
for me mini roadster is ugly ......
btw mx5 is good n fun to drive and mini cab (not roadster) is hatch with out top :)
btw i own both
as owner of mini convertible cooper s and miata NA .... i really hate the design of mni roadster, it look like handicap car ..
Miata is the purist sporty car. The Mini is more livable for daily life. Bottom line, they're both overpriced.
The Mini 'Roadster' is not a proper roadster. It is not purpose built, its a hatchback with the roof cut off.
If you like girls and/or have kids, buy the Mini S Hatch. If not either of those things, enjoy the Miata!
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Real sport car needs to have rear drive. Minis are not reliable
Mx 5 reliable and cheap as hell to maintain, the mini isnt reliable, it has a lot of mecanical problems.
Lol the Miata might be a lot lighter but the MINI weighs 2750 lbs which, for a roadster, is really light.
In other words depend on your taste, each car has it's pros and cons, so there you go.
Quality wise! Unless crashed the Mazda Roadster will survive over 400.000 km with just oil changes and maybe a timing belt in between where as a Mini will be falling apart at about 150.000 km and not worth the much higher cost of parts and fixing outside of Europe.
The Miata guy convinced me to get the MINI.
The mini is a disaster as far as reliability goes, and it doesn't even look good.
Really? I don't know how you can say that when the GP MCS came in 2nd place in Europe behind the Pagani. Mind you they were all modded to race on the track. Go to Wikipedia and learn about the MINI's or mini's history in racing since 1961.
Front wheel drive is the advantage, when you’re a b***h driver.
Why compare? They're two different cars!
Sorry but the Miata looks way outdated. Just saw a new a brand new one and at first thought it was made 15 years ago.
"Sheer driving pleasure," ironic you quote BMW, the maker and owner of Mini, when describing the Miata.
FWD is never better. Period. If you like cars at all, buy a Miata.
I only told you to look there because you brought up "Car and Track". No one with half a brain would base an opinion on someone else's experience. I've driven both and I can tell you the Mini felt dangerously slow and nose heavy while the Miata felt responsive and nimble. That's why I say screw the numbers. Drive both and then post an educated opinion.
Alec Issigonis (the father of the mini) is rolling in his grave right now. Back in the 60's BMC was working on an MG Midget based on the Mini. It was going to be front wheel drive and have hydrolastic suspension. It was called ADO34 Issigonis would describe it as a dreadful thing and even went so far as to say that sports cars shouldn't be front wheel drive. The mini roadster is just another way in which Mini is rejecting its heritage and is losing its character. All classic british roadsters are rear wheel drive.
As far as driving experience I much prefer this MINI but the Miata seats feel better to me.
I really liked the soft top race in the end.
Miata engines last forever, no turbo`s to worry about...
The miata is a true sports car.....the mini is not
i'd rather buy a GTI or Mazdaspeed 3 (both hatchback and fwd) than buy a mini. Mini is completely overpriced for no damn reason. it's slow and it's not the best handling car. Miata, on the other hand, has been best selling and the most track driven car under 30 grand for two decades. the reliability is awesome and its handling is one of the best. no car can beat miata's 50/50 weight distribution. Mini is a true chick's car who needs classy design and cargo for groceries. miata is a driver's car
i dont like either, but i would take the miata.
I'll take the Mini, I feel it more appealing and modern. The Miata, even though I know it has great performance, I cant have a car just for the performance, but also for the design and style, and the Miata has a very outdated design. Actually everytime I see a Miata, there is an old man, over 50 years old, driving it.
Mini for me any day. In this class, is not only about being sporty, but stylish, and the Mini is the winner for me. You want sporty? Then move to 370z or Cayman league.
Are you really comparing only the looks? The MX-5 is just better than the Mini in every way
this comparison was so unfair to the miata, they shouldve picked a better mazda, in truth you just never understand a MINI until you drive one, a miata is kind of a snore fest even when you romp down on it. and you want to talk about credibility the MINI has been winning races since 1961, and boasts better power out of a smaller engine, not to mention gas mileage, sure get a miata if you have no responsibility but if you dont want insurance to rape you, and want to spend less on gas its MINI all the way
It was much cheaper to insure the same year Miata compared to a mini cooper I checked because I was looking at both- bought a MX-5
read the numerous reviews about mini cooper repair costs and customer complaints about mini coopers reliability issues -
A Miata is far cheaper to maintain mechanically and holds its value well- in fact year after year it wins customer reliablilty surveys- don't know where you got your numbers from- the mazda mx 5 is the most raced car in the world now- the cooper was great in its day- the new ones suck balls....
Hmm, i find it amusing that they think a $24,000 miata stacks up against a $33,000 mini. The stripes are $200 the wheels are $750, the headlight casings (black) are $100 + the 100 for the nencecary white turn signals. Add al that to the 29,750-ish starting price, and there you go! at least don't make it so obvious that one is $10K more, and use a top end miata.
All I heard in this video is opinions!. Guys, when you do a faceoff, bring on some numbers, compare both cars accelaration, braking, cornering etc.. And maybe a few Hotlaps. After you can give your opinion on wich car you like best because it's not all about numbers but for me watching this I would like to have a battle not just talking
Top of the line MINI Roadster to compare with the entry-level MX5????? You should get the MX5 top model Grand touring with PRHT. I owned both MX5 NC2 and MINI Cooper --- MX5 wins!!!! The true fun-to-drive car.
If you want to have REAL fun on a windy road the Miata is the only way to go. They're not built to carry stuff like a pickup, they're made to kick.... I was with my boyfriend on a windy road when he took on a 911. He hung onto the Porsche's tail until the guy lost it in a curve. We went around him while he was sliding sideways, FUN STUFF!!!
This was a bad choice of cars to compare
The Mini you probably want is the JCW Hatch. My girlfriend have one and it's a very fun car to drive. Kinda fast too for a 4 banger. Instant smile provider!! I like to drive this car so much I often hand my 2012 Boss 302 keys to her and take a spin in her John Cooper Works!
Why is the "S" trim being compared with a base Miata? Not a accurate comparison. A fully loaded mini vs a base Miata come on people be more accurate