Which clubs could come out of nowhere to STEAL a premiership? - SEN
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- David King and Kane Cornes go HEAD-TO-HEAD on the pressing AFL issues, only on SEN'S Fireball Friday!
0:00 Is there a premiership to be stolen?
9:16 In The Gun
17:03 The Friday Agenda
#afl - กีฬา
To say Warner "takes away" the Swans' premiership window and gives it to Freo (if he goes there) is dumb (especially for a data driven guy like Kingy). He is great of course, but he works perfectly in conjunction with the rest of our mids and small forwards. The idea that the Swans are a one player team is demonstrably dumb
He isn’t saying you’re a one-man team, he’s saying he’s the difference to win a GF, for two teams that are fairly ready, in the Swans and Dockers
@@CappySeventyOne yeah Dockers are no where near ready...even with Warner
Anyone who finishes in the 8 could win the premiership as footy is a strange animal because anyone can beat anyone on a given day
Dogs from seventh in 2016 ,but most or all other times i'd be guessing top four .
15 out of the last 16 premiers have finished in the top 4, so it’s incredibly hard to win it outside the 8.
@@jackbarto02You mean impossible
Sydney has this year if they stay healthy. They look amazing
they definitely strong favourites and may well win it. But of course, with 7 other teams come finals anything can happen. Wouldn't be the first time a strong top of the ladder team hasn't won.
That’s not stealing a flag champ
As a Collingwood supporter I have to agree. They're scary good.
Agreed, giving me shades of 2018 Richmond, game plan that people struggle with and big stars standing up. That being said, 2018 Richmond went down in a final so I think it's anyone's game come finals. GWS very nearly almost booked their way to a Granny.
As Sydney supporter I really think they r our biggest threat
It’s just a ridiculous notion, no flag ever won was or would be stolen, it’s fkn hard to win one, and whoever wins it has earned it
Dead. All speculative flogs crystal balling week after week trying to be relevant…..
Cornes
Says
Pt adelaide cant win it
No bagging the coach the club or the players
no bagging their fitness
No bagging their key backs they said was what they needed to win a flag
No discussion at all
But bags adelaide & taylor walker
&
Luke
Beveridge of the Dogs
And Justin Longmuir and Freo at every opportunity
@@caitlinhughes8406
Yep
He bags Longmuir
& the 2 rucks
I reckon because he want Darcy at Port
Hes did it with horne francis & north because he wanted him at Port
Longmuir has had to deal with a lot of players leaving
&
He has a very very young side
With the exception of Mcrae hes done a an unbelievable job at Feeo
Cornes always trying to take the heat off Port using his media job
His brother is forward coach under Hinkley, massive conflict of interest! Wouldn’t want a new coach to come in and realize our forward structure is miserable
Kane was absolutely right to call out Tex - as soon as the media reports came out about him going to another club all I could think was that this happens every year in recent times. As much spin as Buddy going to the Gold Coast to pressure an extension out of Sydney.
@@cmadelaide56
I hear ya
But its
Just a smokescreen by Cornes in my opinion
to not talk
About PT Adelaide under achieving again
Bag everybody else
He does it every program hes on
Not sure if you Sydney can be serious contenders.. they’ve only been able to beat the teams below them but not above them.
I think until they do that’s when Sydney can be considered top contenders.
lol
Absolutely agree, and if they start losing to teams below them I’d take them out of top 8 discussions
Yeah they've only beaten teams below them. Isn't that everyone?
What are you talking about? There’s no team above Sydney. Wake up mate🥴
@@dinandnozi2943
It's a joke bud
These Fox Footy flogs are desperate for Sydney not to win it all
The thing is - Sydney went into cruise control after half time yest and still absolutely dicked them.
Sydney in a canter this season. They are the most dominant side I’ve seen in my lifetime and look at what the cats did in 2022. Sydney are better than the cats in 2022..
I don't think Sydney would be 'stealing' anything. I'd be surprised if it wasn't Carlton or Collingwood facing them on Grand Final day.
Bobby Hill was a massive coup for Woods
I dont remember a year with a more dominant team than the Swans. They're so far ahead its very hard to think of a team that can get withing 30 points of them. They stay healthy no one gets close. Its a very long season though. Injuries to any of the big four (have to include Grundy now) and things could change. The other element that could creep in is complacency. They're still a very young group so its not that hard to imagine.
Blue boys will get em if carlton can stay fit and healthy
Blue boys aren't that good 😂
Essendon 2000 say hi
@@joshuasadler9243cope harder
The Hawks in 1988, The Blues in 1995, the Bombers in 1985, the Hawks in 2013, 2014 and ,2015. The Bombers in 2000. North in 1996. There have been quite a few sides who've dominated seasons amd finals.
Warner leaving Sydney would be the dumbest thing he could do for his career.
Hes applying the blow torch to sydney to get a PHAT long contract
Completely agree. It's the mix that bring them where they are
He is not going anywhere. Unkess the contract is ridiculous.
The romance of a one club player is great, but just tell me which club you associate Sam Mitchell, Dermott Brereton, Tony Modra, Doug Hawkins, etc with. Going for a year (or maybe even two) makes no difference
I'll tell you one player who pkayed his 390th at another club but is akways a Hawthorn player.....Jordan Lewis. I wish we could go back in time and keep Jordie so he played his 300th at the Hawks. I doubt Mitchell Lewus wilk ever play 150 games at Hawthorn. He hasn't even put together a full season in seven seasons with the Hawks. A massive disppointment.
As a Swans supporter I would hate to see Warner leave, but if he helps the Club win a flag then he has my blessing. Three 1st round picks from Freo might not be a bad way to keep the Swans competitive for the next decade
lol they wont give 3 for him ! They would have a decent idea from his brother what he is thinking. They might offer 1 top 10 pick and a couple of 2nd or 3rd rounders. Then Syd need to think hard take that or he walks next year when a free agent for less. But maybe he doesn't want to go :)
@@chinathesideyoudontsee8157 Three 1st rounders is what's being talked about in the media, not sure if accurate but apparently that's Freos draft hand, and the media commentary I've heard reckons He's worth it for Freo. He's definitely worth more than 1st and 2nd rounders given his age and status in the top 5 players in the game right now. Restricted free agent so even if he walks Swans get some compensation. Like I said he has my blessing if he helps us win the flag
North 98 geelong 08 hawks 12 swans 14 crows 17 history is filled with red hot favourites and best sides all year getting done on GF day
“Melbourne didn’t learn from the Ben brown experiment” also Ben Brown *2021 premiership player*
Melb wins a flag with Ben Brown
But yeah melb are shite according to Cornes ?
Cornes exposing himself & his credibility
@@cweatherfella547But Melbourne are shite. Melbourne won a premiership with BB in the side, but it wasn’t because of him. His acquisition has been a failure.
@@cmadelaide56not really, they have paid him well below average wages, and in a roundabout way he ended being a swap for Jaiden Stephenson who struggles to get a game at North Melbourne, so not like Melbourne lost any amazing talent from the draft. It was well worth a risk and he will be gone at the end of this year.
@@wayneperry7413 Yep, fair call that.
Billy Frampton is a premiership player
Agree with kingy on the tex issue. Sydney or collongwood could both take a punt on a player like that with minimal downside. Takes a key defender away from their opponents structure
At the smaller SCG on the end of Guilden, Heeney, Campbell etc he would be awesome - as long as everyone is aware it’s a 1 year option, no way he is playing any decent AFL footy in 2026 if at all.
We don't need him
On the Walker focus, in Buddy's last 3 years, he could barely kick 50m. He couldn't run, he barely ever took the marks he used to take. He was never really a very good overhead mark but Tex is.
The soft tissue vulnerability is a real issue at that age.
Walker would be a good pickup for Collingwood I reckon
Exactly, if buddy kicked 76 goals the year before everyone would be telling him have a crack again once he deals w his injury. I get tex is nearly 35 but he doesn’t need much to kick 1/2 a game in a good team
@zaydevans2077 exactly but as much as I loved Buddy & I'm a Swans supporter, I felt he stayed to long. The one thing he offered to the others was how he did the thing he did but his last couple of years he just slowed the front big guys progress.
If walker played for PA, kane would be blowing smoke up his lower end
10 rounds to go, end of winter start of spring, a lot of water is going flow down the rive rand under the bridge, between now and the end ofround 24. Comfortably washing away all the bullcrap & detritus which you've spat out today. You guys should be working in a picture theatre as projectionists , and , on Sundays as theologians, standing in a pulpit at your local church. In the arvo , u can bowl spin at the cricket . 😂
Peter wright hasn't veen the same since he did his shoulder.
Our fwd50 hasnt been great since hes come back in
Ultimately this year will look like the NBA this year. Everyone will try to put up names and teams, but ultimately the team with the best record which dominated the season will win the whole thing.
Any AFL team can lose a prelim or a GF. If someone had to beat the Swans in a best of 7 series, then the NBA comparison would make sense.
The game is a 360 degree game. If you want players to back off, let's just turn it into touch football.
I think that’s a false dichotomy my friend, it’s not either people die or it’s touch footy, the afl plays between the two and is a business at the end of the day
I don’t think port or even Brisbane should be written off at this stage
Port won’t win unless they make top 4 - I understand they’re getting written off, but if they beat the Lions this week they almost certainly will be 4th for now, so still a chance.
You can definitely write port off they are heinous. Brisbane I agree with you.
Port a joke mate. Even if they make a prelim you know how the story goes. Same every year
Warner ain't leaving Sydney. Sydney won't be dealing with Freo
I think it depends if they win the flag or not. If they win maybe due to the big $ offer he will get and pull to home . They have enough first round picks to offer Syd who might be tempted if they feel he will go sooner rather than later.
That's up to Warner end of next year he can walk as he's out of contact. Or if Sydney are the writing on the wall (or win the flag this year) may look to trade this year and ask for overs.
If Warner wanted to leave & nominated Freo, Sydney would have to deal with Freo
@@andrewkerr5296not if they stand firm and say you’re playing with us in 2025.
@@wayneperry7413
Yea of course
Kingy has given Cornes the correct accountability. Forecast a winner within a certain window to a given accuracy. Spot on. If any expert knows their game Rule 1 is know yourself know the opposition. If you know neither you got no hope. Now I want to see a statistic put on all the coaches and sub coaches to forecasts results pre game and be measured against post game. If you know your art and done your study you should be accurate. Otherwise you will end up like Ken Hinkley of Port adel of nothing more than 12 yrs of "next week she'll be right" Get your stat's master on tues to get something going. Otherwise coaches have no accountability if they think the playing group is no good then use that to forecast in advance and tell everyone in advance youl loose. Don't just complain post match the team isn't good enough. Again like Port adels Ken we need more accuracy and less Kens
I feel like Kane is holding onto the past when he started and turned the club around, which he did. But the last 2 or 3 years King is right it is meandering. They need a fresh voice, otherwise interstate talent will just leave.
Totally agree about DK. His broadening of Kane's question really tore up the original question.
I never liked him as a player, I'm not a Roo fan, but his ability to disassemble the game flow is unmatched. He describes it in a way that is manageable for the lowly amongst us, meaning myself. His insight into what he's espousing shows to me an equivalent understanding that comes from Buckley. It may not be the same specifically but I wonder if he has ever considered coaching? Bucks's views are also something I like to hear. Browny & most of the others are in a different league to those 2. Kane is better than the others, but Kingy & Bucks are the real deal.
Btw, David was a great player as of course was Bucks.
@@RexAlfieLee I'm not a football brain not at all got no idea. But I can say I know something about guidelines needed for athletes to be best in the world. That I have been around And DK summed it up when he said Mr Average. Do you think Jon sieben or Duncan Armstrong could have beaten the world's best if Laurie Lawrence had the same dry personality and approach of a Mr Avg??? Do you think Evander Hollyfield could have been the best in the world if he couldn't fight both inside and outside and have multiple defence mechanisms cross guard high guard and philly shell?? No. It's Evanders defences A B and C options to suit the attacks that gave him the capacity to deal with different opponents. Ask Port adels coach how many plans he has??? To win you need strategy's to win when your down. When you have to play chess missing your power pieces. Playing 1 on 1 and blaming the players as not good enough is primitive thinking.
@@jamesbuesnel5054 I ask you if you was an up and coming superstar a young guy with character who wants to play a premiership Let's assume you know nothing of football and 2 coaches turned up and rach had 10 mins to convince you to pick them. to get you to the finish line. 1 was Ron B. And 1 was KH.? Which one would you choose. Me Ron B. Why cause he looks and talks exciting the other feels and looks like MR Avg. Thank you DK. I sayy no more. You are correct the place needs a change. Some new colour and sound
Carlton wins the premiership 2024. Will turn the tables on Sydney in the GF.
im a doggies fan and if we make the eight i think we have a pretty good chance at the flag because we will have all of our injured players back in 2-3 weeks
Hodge did Sam Mitchel did Lewis did ? Think walker should have went last year
I would love Tex at the Pies for a year…we are screaming for a big fish forward - even at 70%of his best
Gws vs Collingwood GF.
Taylor Walker at Collingwood for 1or 2 years might be worth a punt.
Where has Tex threatened to leave? Just such a strawman of what’s going on Kane has to know he’s making this a huge deal when it isn’t. Why can’t he leave after all he’s done for the club. And Sydney would take him over McLean next year any day of the week. Tex has twice the skills and goal sense than McLean blindfolded lol
You keep thinking of Walker at his peak, but you have to weigh it up in 2025 terms, is McLean better than a guy only capable body wise of 10-11 games per year and struggling around the ground mobility wise, which is almost certainly where a 35 year old Tex will be next year.
@@wayneperry7413 im thinking of Taylor walker 14 games ago dude. Its literally 14 games where he’s had an on and off back, last year was Taylor’s peak he kicked 76 goals, so its not hard to think of him in his peak as the last time he played without a back injury, last year, he was an all Australian full forward. I think if you asked 99% of clubs “if you could pick up a forward who kicked 76 goals last year for free, last person in the club first person out if it doesn’t work, would you take that?” They all would. That’s my point. I know 2025 tex won’t be 76 goals 2023 tex, but 35/40 as a third forward? Quite possible
Whenever Port lose, it's because the opposition is amazing according to Kane.
Surely Melbourne have a dire need for a Taylor Walker type KPF/ known goal kicker!! .no way would Sydney take him
Depends - if they lose Logan McDonald and draft a high end young key forward, Walker becomes a good option for just a year while that kid develops (and he was born in NSW lol). If McDonald stays he probably is not needed.
Walker if anything would go to the Bombers. 😂😂
The mighty Doggies will sneak up on the Swannies again! Go DOGGIES! And we will finish seventh!
I respect Kane but wtf is he talking about with Walker. Media have said that no his camp, also Kingy is spot on, easy risk v reward to bring I to a club close to a flag.
He has a huge blind spot with port and always attacks the crows. Saying his form is down when he kicked 76 last year and has had back issues all year this year is very rough
Excellent commentary boys. Collingwood will smash the Swans, there's bad blood between them.
Swans will curbstomp Collingwood anytime anywhere.
It’s Collingwood - there’s bad blood between every other team and Collingwood. (And they have no chance…)
I think you cry too hard!
It can always be a stolen flag, look at West Coast 1991 and Geelong 2008. You can never take away the best team of the season however.
Respected journalist Damian Barrett…😂😂😂
Predictions at season's start of final ladder positions are silly, but i still wish someone would publicly remind him he said Hawks will get the Spoon this year.
Lions before dogs. Just flogged them a few weeks ago!
Kane, you and your Brother did the same thing at the Power Puffs and then Chad left. You stole someone’s spot as a Metropolitan Firefighter and then turned tail to take a media job.
Collingwood
The fix is in pies 2 years in a row
Geelong had the opportunity to recruit Grundy on two occasions ahead of Melbourne and Sydney
I love how kingy and corn is so blind towards Essendon bombers are not in there vocabulary
Their their! 😂😂😂😂
I think they're right until Draper returns. Without Draper, Essendon are nobody.
Who have they beaten ?
Stick caddy in for six week stint whilst write does a stint in vfl
flaghawk
In three-four years definitely not this year
What does that even mean.?
Collingwood are going B2B! Simple as that! Equal 2nd with an Under 13's side! Syd will be fixed up when it matters most!
Collingwood 3-Peat and land Tom McGuane in the top 5 of the 2025 draft and will be touted as biggest coup since Drew Banfield
The Doggies will travel to Perth and thump Freo
The Doggies will play Carlton at the MCG and win by 21 points
The Doggies will travel to GWS, and win in a nail biter interstate
The Doggies will play the Swannies in a topsy turvy Grand Final and win by 21 points
All from 7th
GO DOGGIES!
The fact that was such a one-off helps make the thing great.
2016 the umpires stole it from us and handed it to the bulldogs. I don't see how history won't repeat itself.
might end up in a mental hospital if we vs dogs in the GF again
Stole 😄 - typical salty Swans fans. Your team can't win GFs - post 2012 - with heart. Exactly same happened with 2014 and 2022 ...
@@berniequinlan7079 2014 we were beaten by the better side, same goes for 22. 16? Nope. Only people that disagree are dogs fans, funny how that is.
Carlton v essendon grand final
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Needs one of them to beat Swans in a Prelim. Whichever one that is they'll be exhausted and mentally drained and will lose the Grannie.
Warner is a massive bust. He’s selfish and tries to do the impossible instead of what’s best for Swans…totally in love with himself and dumb.
He's a good as he knows he is
Of course Essendon can win the flag they are probably biggest threat
No they can’t
If they knock over WC, then Geelong, then the pies in the next three weeks, the conversation will change.
@@jacksonberry8467they were better against Collingwood and Sydney than sides like Carlton? And we’re missing numerous key players. They smacked Carlton in inside 50s, if not for their own inaccuracy and some soft Carlton goals from weak free kicks they win that too. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Littleyeti7 wrong they’ll be in the prelims maybe but can’t see them winning it this year it’s Sydney’s to lose
As a bombers supporter, we are not a contender this year. We have many issues and players out of form to be a contender. I think if we can keep this upward trajectory then I'm very bullish on us being a contender next year.
Chewing your nails is gross
Whatever team the Match Fixing Umpires want to win will win it.