I do feel like people miss the point of Bloberta introducing Clay to alcohol, specifically when he says, "You really helped me come out of my shell." And also the one time we see Bloberta's father and her connecting is when he is super drunk and able to almost speak his mind about things. Plus, with Bloberta's previous comment about alcohol bringing out people's true natures. It just reads as a very misguided and tragic line of thinking where Bloberta thought she was helping this uptight and clean cut man be able to properly socialise and be open to marriage through alcohol. Yes, Bloberta isn't blameless for being stuck in a toxic and loveless marriage, but it really adds to the tragedy of Bloberta wanting to be needed and to be seen as helping to a man who honestly fell apart the moment he was able to drink. They were destined to ruin each other but they put their selfish desires above their needs in a relationship and now everyday is like choking down poison for both of them. It was moments like these in season 3 that really makes me wish we at least had a full season and more exploration of these characters. Something about these characters with their imperfections and flaws feels so much more real and scarily true to life the older I get.
The part the show alludes to is, this is what forms the most toxic relationships Its not the Alcohol, its the societal pressure pushing you to make a choice. Or change yourself Alcohol didnt make her feel left out, society and family did. Alcohol didnt convince Clay to fall for her, he was lonely two
It’s so great how this shows the different flavors of alcoholism. Bloberta’s dad was able to get past his abuse while drinking while Clay became more abusive while drinking.
I mean also bloberta hooked him into a marriage while he was weak despite the fact she knew him for a day and got him started on his crippling addiction to alcohol. All because she wanted to feel loved and helpful, additionally Clay was a closeted homosexual.
@@phunkyzilla Clay is a closeted bisexual. He flirts with a lot of women including an older woman who gets him hooked on an Oedipus complex through his life and had a long standing affair with a guy.
People always mention that this is the night Clay became an alcoholic but I've never seen anyone point out this is also the night Bloberta QUIT alcohol, solely because she was so disgusted by how it made Clay act
@@bluecoin3771 ~ Yeah, I was gonna say, she’s now addicted to cleaning. And she has anger towards Clay when he drinks instead of her “nice/calm personality” when she drinks. She still shouldn’t be drinking as much as she did, but when she did she was nicer then their her new addiction that comes with hating her husband.
@@pepray ~ She didn’t. It seems to me like she was taking a “cute wedding photo”, but she didn’t necessarily drink it. Plus, it is overly obvious that Clay did drink excessively by the fact he was drinking in that photo (along with other photos); so if she was still drinking, I think it’d be more obvious.
You know the fucked up part is Clay probably would've liked Bloberta if she were honest about hitting him that night since he associates abuse with affection/attention
Bloberta going sober and basically destroying any semblance of comfort and happyness around Clay is such a cruel ironic twist, i wonder if the cancelled seasons would had shown more of her past alcoholism
@@tahraethestoryteller6079 sure, Bloberta was drinking to cope with her shitty life and Clay started drinking to help with his social awkwardness and shyness. But eventually he also was drinking to cope.
Glad a lot of people get it Blowberta shouldnt have tried using alcohol to open up clay. He was a troubled man, who didnt need alcohol. You shouldnt have introduced it if he wasent ready. Other then that i think Blowberta was actually a good pick for Clay. She didnt want to be controling, she just didnt want to be alone. He was okey being alone, but didnt mind opening up
@@QuiteSimplyInsane No, not that. I know that, and I’m not calling your decision stupid at all. I mean the fact that the copyright owners muted that part of the video because of at most 30 seconds of music is stupid. Sorry for the confusion and once again I didn’t mean to disrespect you at all.
@@mergieismoronic Oh, sorry for the mix up. And I Agree, it's just annoying that I had to mute a song worth 20 seconds especially since the song helps the plot
interestingly enough, every time I see this show taken down here, it's because of Warner Bros taking down the show itself, not the record label getting mad for the use of the song
New hc that Clay's favorite (non-alcoholic) drinks is Apple juice, and milk. That extends to he probably liked it because his mom gave it to him a lot before she died.
Her coming from a family that constantly alienated her and made her feel unwanted might explain why she is not an affectionate mother at all, and instead only deals with the basic needs of the household. Sure, she tends to her children, but she avoids any and all actual conversations. Her answers are always short when she talks to Orel, if she doesn't instead just delegate the task of dealing with Orel's emotional needs/questions to Clay. She only does tasks that are objectively 'helpful'. It seems to me, that because she didn't have a good mother, her parenting style is based on her father, who cared for her but the abuse had rendered him emotionally unavailable.
The sad part is that all those girls who gotten married all have crappy marriages in the future😞. So Bloberta pretty much got married for nothing 🤷🏾♀️
I mean they all ended up with crappy marriages including Bloberta. I think it would have been best for her to wait for the actual right guy, and to also not manipulate hungover Clay to marry her as a thank you/sorry.. it’s sad on both ends of their marriage tbh
@@QuinnRuiz Not such a crappy marriage, at least they conceived Orel, who seems to be one of the best last hope of humanity, wish someone like him existed :/
it’s so interesting that her parents told her to clean her room, but she drank instead. then when she quits drinking, she immediately goes to cleaning.
She's seeking something to fill the hole left by her family and peers alienating her. She's desperate for affection and feeling wanted. When she swore off drinking, compulsive cleaning became her respite.
I think it shows how quickly Clay was addicted to alcohol after just one drink. He instantly liked who he became when he drank it and never wanted to be without it again.
Yeah, really shows the nature of a chemical and psychological addiction works. And a good number of the fandom fucking ignores it just to place all the blame for Clay on Bloberta.
@@kevinwillems8720 god thank you finally someone else said it. there's plenty of things to blame her for here but she did not turn him into an alcoholic. that's always been such a stupid argument
@@TheStarswearee he made his father angry on purpose to get hit, because it was the only attention he would receive from his father. In season 3’s the Easter episode you can see Clay attempt the same by trying to get the 3 men in the bar (reverend, cop, and doctor) to hit him but none of them take his bait. His mother’s heart failed after Clay pretended to shoot himself for attention after he found out he had 9 siblings that all died by miscarriage and he wasn’t his mom’s ‘one and only baby’.
Bloberta married clay and got him into drinking because she wanted to get away from her family and be accepted by her friends that were married as well. Bloberta only met Clay and tricked him into marriage when they first met. She was desperate. That explains why Bloberta broke down crying when she left Orel's room. She didn't escape her problems, it caught up with her and it's worse than before.
it kinda pisses me off how Clay almost had a happy ending. Not really considering how horrible everybody is on this show, but at least he almost got a chance. if he didnt get addicted to alcohol and found a nice woman. Only if.
@@DenerWitt he immediately and instinctively lied about his parents being dead to a complete stranger and his first instinct when learning about his mother’s miscarriages was to fake his own death punish her. Notice something he never once said he was sorry for the prank. Not to his father, not to his mother while say dying. He’s a narcissist. And based on how easy it was for him to get hooked on drinking a predilection towards addiction.
I feel like the sign at the ending is even pretty powerful. "Just married " they're just. Married. That's it. They never really had a love. They are just, two people who are broken and married.
@@jarb151 didn't orel just go "room boom uh room boom boom uh" and like jump off a highish thing (he was rude to these kids i think,while hungover but nowhere NEAR clays level of entitledness) while clay at his drunkest in "nature pt 1" pour out every single bitter emotion in his heart? And SHOT his kid? *im comparing orel at not that drunk to clay being black out drunk bc kids cant handle as much alcohol*
The more I think about them the more I realize their marriage was out of necessity for each other and not love. Bloberta wanted to feel wanted and clay wanted to feel validated
It’s symbiotic. They’re kind of perfect for each other in a way. Clay needs unconditional love and support, he’s almost desperate for it. And Bloberta needs to take care of something and feel useful. They couldn’t be with anyone else without doing serious work on themselves.
No the fuck he wasn't lol. Clay clearly was emotionally cut off from people because of his childhood while Orel was open to people *despite* his childhood. This is why Clay was always alone vs. Orel who had friends and made attempts to bond with his family. If Clay didn't get married, he literally would've just stayed to himself vs. Orel who had a gf and clearly was excited about being married.
@@annoyedbyyourface You should probably keep in mind that Orel IS 12 while Clay was older. I haven’t finished the show yet LOL but maybe Orel could’ve grown to be more like his father at the time?
A couple of things it could also be; 1. A joke about her being a puppet 2. A metaphor for her being a “cold” person 3. A random line included for a giggle during an intense scene It’s fun to theorize, and sometimes we’re right, but most of the time a writer’s intentions are not that deep. We gotta look at the general theme and ideas presented to get the actual message :) though I like this interpretation.
People argue that Bloberta ruined Clay or Clay ruined Bloberta. I’d argue they ruined each other. She gave him the liquor that released his trauma and he in turn took that trauma out on her, along with everyone else he loves.
If you remember Clay's mom, Angela, telling him about the many times she was pregnant with his still born siblings. She mentions a lot about how she missed out on smoking, drinking and other rigorous activities during her pregnancy with Clay. I honestly believe this was intended to reveal to the audience that Clay's addictions to substances was genetically inherited from his mother. Angela being addicted to Cigs, booze, and adrenaline. Leading to her having a frail heart condition from how she's abused her body. Clay was failed, both by nature and nurture.
reminder that learning why someone is abusive does not mean theyre abuse is okay! Clay and Blorberta had horrible pasts, but i would still light them on fire given the chance!
Anyone notice how Bloberta says "Why not" whenever she accepts or settles with the bare minimum in terms of attention or praise? "Why Not" when asked to stand in a corner. "Why Not" when asked to be "useful" and clean her room. "Why Not" when asked if she'll marry Clay. She knows she settling with the bare minimum but goes with it anyways because for her its better than getting on their bad side, being ridiculed or getting ignored all together. At least thats how i see it
I can’t believe I didn’t notice that ya’ll are so smart. She’s always the last option, so to her marrying Clay wasn’t even a question. Her self esteem is so terrible she couldn’t imagine turning away someone who might love her.
Exactly! Honestly, I know that some of her actions aren’t the best, but I feel so bad for her. Her self-esteem is so low that she thinks all she deserves is the bare minimum and she doesn’t even expect that half the time.
I find it hard to summarize and judge the people in this show. Easy to call clay and or bloberta a monster, but pretty much everyone in the town is broken in some way, and kindness is a rarity. I like this show, because it's a fever dream that reminds me so much of reality. It certainly doesn't give me many tips on how to cope with abuse, but it does at least make me feel like I'm not alone, and it makes me question if the ways I do cope are abusive. This show depicts abuse in so many ways. It's like the writers just tossed a bunch of their own experiences into a hat and made a character who would go through that abuse.
If you want to watch something that talks a little more about how we can move beyond our abuse and pain, bojack horseman is also a great show. Also, if you really want to try to figure it out, therapy is great. When you have thoughts like "I feel shitty and I want to stop feeling shitty but I don't know how! Or I want to know why!" Therapy basically exists for that reason. You are right, some of the ways you cope might be abusive, towards others or towards yourself. But you always have a chance to take that step towards something better, a better version of you, a version that has a different way to cope with the pain. (Sorry unforuntately the pain will always be there, it may lessen with time though)
I think they hit the nail on the head with that part where the bride is talking about serving hors d’oeuvres and then right after she’s given the sign and told to go chant that “only whores serve hors d’oeuvres”. Everyone is broken by their own shame
I like how the start of Orel's story begins with an allegory for Adam and Eve. Clay(Adam) Has no parents and is tempted to sin by his future wife (Eve).
Actually its more a Kane and able parable 😂🤷♂️ Cuz clay would eventually go on to have Orel, who is kinda like Enoch. A sinless man (Yeah Orel does fucked up shit, but never intended for negative results. He always tries to act according to god for the right reason)
I think they are not happy about her marriage, maybe it's due to the disapproval of Clay, you can see them at 10:53, her parents and sister look indifferent and her brother actually looks upset
@@plingtan8927 Despite what we saw I feel like Lunchbox did care about Bloberta deep down. He probably even knew about Clay’s true nature and Bloberta probably just ignored him.
@@plingtan8927 why would they even care?, well, I can agree that her dad would, he loved Bloberta. But the rest of the family?, come on, they treated her like the black sheep of the family. It is more reasonable they got angry because they couldn't show off their singing abilities as their precious choir.
There's always a reason why people are the way they are. And just to think about it, I wonder how Clay would have been if he never met Bloberta? It was her that sparked the drinking for him. He was messed up enough already.
I feel like he would've still ended up being toxic, but not a toxic drunkard. All of those unhealthy habits he had might just've been expressed differently.
I can't "help" but feel sorry for Bloberta with her past. She wants to feel useful and have that sense of accomplishment by "helping" others. She feels worthless when left out of her family choir or Censordoll's protests (She can't "help" them). With Clay, she is miserable but can "help" him. Even though she's miserable with him, she'd be even more miserable without him (No one to "help").
@@artvulture456 lol that orel's job as the oldest sibling, a comedian said it best "your older sibling is in charge while we're gone, which is like having your horse watch your dog."
Bloberta and her father use alcohol to cope with abuse, later we see Bloberta try to get Clay to cope with her but it just makes him an asshole and it ruins drinking for her; without a way to cope with this new abuse she just spirals into misery. Just like my mom!
In a messed up way she was trying to bond with Clay. But it didn’t work and she realized that she hated herself. So she hates herself when she drinks and she feels nothing when she doesn’t. She chose to feeling over hating herself.
Misery and compulsive cleaning. Compulsive behaviors can be a way people cope with trauma. Main issue is that compulsion is rarely healthy since it rules your life and gets in the way of important things and the ability to fully feel your emotions.
might be a reason why the show was cancelled. They talk about about subjects that people dont want to talk about. THat and the show is not really fun entertainment, it is depressing and interesting tho
I do appreciate when shows depict how abusive father figures can and have been and how common it is bc of societal power men are usually given. But it’s good to show how mothers and anyone else in a household can play the role of an abuser. Especially without bringing any weird misogynistic reasoning of depicting these type of people and behavior.
I have to say, I do love the fact that this show gives the "why", even if it's not revealed at first, it's revealed in time (and when I mean why, why the characters are the way they are, what shaped them etc). Love the show, completely in love with it. feel like people marrying for the wrong reason has led for their downfall....
It's interesting to see how Bloberta developed cleaning as a way to cope after she got married to Clay...it seemed like she didn't care that much about it and mainly relied on alcohol before then. Her room was messy and didn't change even after her mother told her to clean up.
I've watched this series a few times over and how am I just now realizing this after reading your comment?! My brain glossed over her messy room as a teen versus the obsessive cleanliness in her housewife years :(
I think maybe she has some form of OCD? I know literally nothing but her need to drink to relieve stress, that is replaced by her need to clean feels indicative of an underlying issue. OCD doesn’t make you a clean person, it makes you obsessively repeat tasks and ideas, even if you know they’re harmful. I think this was a manifestation of that.
For Bloberta, Clay turned out to be an amalgamation of everything wrong with her own family: her well-meaning but cowardly father's alcoholism and general ineffectiveness, weakness and apathy toward his family; her overbearing mother's dismissiveness, domineering and narcissism; and her siblings' selfish and spoiled attitudes stemming from the blatant favoritism. Add a dash of chauvinism and misogyny, a bit of codependence, a pinch of closeted bisexuality, some repression, a generous splash of hypocrisy, and a whopping scoop of Oedipus complex, and voila! You now have the deluxe s**t sandwich that is Clay Puppington.
Also, gotta love 8:13 Clay: this is a red flag, I’m giving you an out Bloberta: this is a fist, I’m giving you a concussion Also Bloberta: please ruin my life, mildly attractive stranger
Bloberta is a part of me, I swear. This show helped me make it through college. I'm in therapy now working through trauma in that time in my life. I always felt Bloberta understood something about trauma I was still trying to figure out.
Hope your doing well T. I see a bit of myself in Clay and that's why I use him as a warning sign if I ever feel like doing something that goes against my core beliefs.
Ultimately their relationship is a warning as to why pressuring people into committing or feeling the moral obligation to do so is a dangerous game. The fact of the matter is that 100% of people are incompatible in some way and every relationship will have their struggle, and the only way to find out if marriage would work out is to test the waters. Both Bloberta and Clay were pressured into doing the right thing by their religion (Bloberta more so then Clay by a long shot, but still). Clearly they were incompatible which led them to completely destroy each other in the long run.
I know that the opening scene is supposed to have a song, and it sucks that it got muted due to copyright, but I think that having no music kind of sets up the episode in a way. Bloberta becomes so numb in her marriage with Clay, the emptiness that the silent opening has just makes the episode hit just a little harder for me.
@@samboger25 still that's an interesting take. I only explained because these uploads are how a bunch of people experienced the show for the first time.
💀 The dead silence left such an empty, morbid feeling of WRONGNESS that was just downright eerie. Well played. I kept wondering if my earbuds stopped working. But that seemed intentional.
I feel so bad for Bloberta’s dad, being abused by your wife and on top of that feeling unable to feel emotionally attached with your own children because of it.
This episode really highlights why anytime a musical number comes in, bloberta breaks out singing along. After all the neglect in her family, she takes any opportunity to sing that she gets
I don't know if any of you noticed, but that song Bloberta's family was singing at the wedding is great satire of how people expect marriages should always be.
Moral Orel is the best show , I love the whole cast of them, it's a hidden gem w. Horrific dysfunctional town w. Lessons of the warped but one of my favorite, how can anyone not like Moral Orel.
If you remember Clay's mom, Angela, telling him about the many times she was pregnant with his still born siblings. She mentions a lot about how she missed out on smoking, drinking and other rigorous activities during her pregnancy with Clay. I honestly believe this was intended to reveal to the audience that Clay's addictions to substances was genetically inherited from his mother. Angela being addicted to Cigs, booze, and adrenaline. Leading to her having a frail heart condition from how she's abused her body. Clay was failed, both by nature and nurture.
Everyone talks about Bloberta being the push Clay needed into a valley of acoholism, but no one talks about how Clay's behavior while drunk seems to spiral her into her cleanliness obsession + a doubling down on Protestant values. In one night, they brought out both the worst in each other and made it permanent.
"you hold my head up so it doesn't fall and hurt like no one has in a long, long time. so, y'know… i should keep you" he'd learned to associate abuse w affection but hasn't received actual affection since his mom died and now in this very brief moment he's being reminded of how good love is supposed to feel, how it's not supposed to hurt and feel bad, and that's the whole reason he marries her WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS
Props for not making bloberta the victim of clay like other shows. She’s just as bad and helped turn clay into the monster Orel saw in the woods. The fact that Orel was such a good kid with parents like them is the biggest miracle in this show.
At 9:50, Clay’s pupils do the very subtle dart back & forth to better look into Bloberta’s eyes & I think it’s brilliant!! Love this show, especially this episode/all of season three!
Clay pretending both of his parents are dead when talking to Bloberta is hella relatable as someone with abusive parents. I usually just lie to everyone and say I'm an orphan, because I don't want to explain my situation, or acknowledge having parents. 💀
John Darnielle made a pair of reoccuring characters in the Mountain Goats' songs called The Alpha Couple. They're both fundamentally broken people who fall in love but are horribly incompatible, and just leeches off of each other, and alcohol is what drives the relationship or even makes it slightly functional. They decide they want to fix things, and move together to Tallahassee in a little house where they rot and never see the light of day until the house burns down. They hate each other, but cannot stand being alone so they stay miserable. Huh! I sure do hope this lovely couple don't match that description.
Orel gets the hyper christian positive from young adult clay, and he gets the take a lesson/slight pressure and turn it into a monster tragedy from bloberta. At least orel rises above where his parents fell
it’s pretty wild You can tell Pre drunk clay was a bit off But you can throw it under the rug of “He is a weirdo” or “He is a little confused but as spunk” But the second a bad influence gets a hold of him it’s game over
I just noticed. After Bloberta said alcohol helps people to become better, she mentions her father drinks. When her father is drunk enough, he at least tries to become a better father. Now, she knows that alcohol doesn't make you better. It brings out your true nature.
God as the child of an alcoholic, that is such a myth. Alcohol DOES NOT bring out your true nature and honestly it’s so offensive hearing people say that and genuinely believe it
I feel so sorry for Clay. He was pressured into marrying her when me probably only saw her as a friend. He was so sober but she just had to intoduce him to alcohol and it ended up ruining his ways. so did the marriage. They wouldve been much more better off if they took it slow or just stayed as friends
"all of them?" "Well there were only two" Im dying, but also the fucking fact that from the start, Clay and Bloberta could only get along when they were drunk is just, oof, biggest red flag. And that Clay just wanted to be celibate, like nothing justifies what he's done, but this really shows how much of this was Bloberta's fault.
9:20 I think Clay only asked to have Bloberta's hand in marriage is because she was babying him in the moment. Something that Clay's mom did to him up until she passed when he was 12. Years after his mother passed, I think this moment was him wanting to subconsciously seek out his mother in Bloberta and keep her with him.
bloberta is a typical narcissist; just as abusive as the abuser that she helped create but hides under an illusion that evokes pity. everything is “not her fault” and she was “only trying to help” when in reality, she uses people to feel worthy.
The whole point of the show is that no adult in it is a good person ffs, you don't need to label them with a "scary-sounding" mental illness for that message to carry across. By separating people into monsters using pop psychology labels and normal people instead of accepting that maybe real life people are complex, you're only making it harder for yourself to notice when you, your friends, or your loved ones are exhibiting toxic or abusive behaviors. It's also a dangerous road to convincing yourself into believing that abuse is who you are at your core rather than what you do, meaning "I can't change, so why bother trying" (which is the very mindset criticized with Principal Fakey's character lol)
@@hithere2477e are not, we are speaking colloquially. Crazy how the same word has different meanings, in different circumstances, depending on the context *sarcasm* ... LOL!
Dude, literally one of the biggest plot points in the show is that NO adult in moralton is a 'good' person; they're all traumatized in some way, and as a result, use that trauma to hurt others. It's showing the dangers of the intergenerational cycle of abuse- why do you think they have the flashbacks of Bloberta and Clay, two of the shows biggest shitheads? They're not 'evil' at the core- they're two people who never got help. You don't need to misapply terms used to describe legitimate mental illnesses in order to brand characters as unconditionally evil. Btw, narcissism as a illness seems to be a coping mechanism for childhood abuse, much like bpd. It does not brand someone as a malicious monster whose worth absolutely nothing.
the pauses of silence are really loud instead of wedding music and celebration, its real, its quite, and its cold and unforgiving just like there relationship start to finish
I've been watching this episode everyday the past two weeks. Something comfortable about it. In a complicated relationship with a man who slowly became addicted to drinking. I cleaned up after him regularly. Started to get angry. Now I live in an apartment by myself and I'm depressed. Scared I'm become Bloberta.
@@gabriellegoodwin4422 it has been a lot better. Got therapy. Can control my drinking, finally. Ask yourself why you drink and face that head on. Sending blessings and love to anyone who has struggled with substance abuse. Thank you for the follow up.
god poor clay was almost as innocent as orel even as an adult....until bloberta came in, practically forcing him into a marriage (And his alcoholism) i want to know what he would have been like as a father if he never got drunk...
Can we just take a moment of silence for all the henpecked fathers out there. It’s rare but that’s my dad. She “wears the pants”. And no one lets him have an opinion. He feels like he can’t say what he wants. It’s really sad and a bad example as a kid.
People make jokes about it but that is serious emotional abuse that can wear away at you. I hope dudes in relationships like that learn that it’s not just “what marriage is like” and leave, and that their wives learn to stop being so overbearing.
That's not necessarily true. He's an alcoholic, yes, but he learned his abusive behaviour from his own father. It's reasonable to believe that he would probably still be a bad dad if he didn't drink, the drinking just made it worse and more likely.
i feel sorry for Clay. he was not into drinking but Bloberta made him get into it as well as pressuring him into marriage even though he doesnt seem to be into it
I do feel like people miss the point of Bloberta introducing Clay to alcohol, specifically when he says, "You really helped me come out of my shell." And also the one time we see Bloberta's father and her connecting is when he is super drunk and able to almost speak his mind about things. Plus, with Bloberta's previous comment about alcohol bringing out people's true natures.
It just reads as a very misguided and tragic line of thinking where Bloberta thought she was helping this uptight and clean cut man be able to properly socialise and be open to marriage through alcohol.
Yes, Bloberta isn't blameless for being stuck in a toxic and loveless marriage, but it really adds to the tragedy of Bloberta wanting to be needed and to be seen as helping to a man who honestly fell apart the moment he was able to drink. They were destined to ruin each other but they put their selfish desires above their needs in a relationship and now everyday is like choking down poison for both of them.
It was moments like these in season 3 that really makes me wish we at least had a full season and more exploration of these characters. Something about these characters with their imperfections and flaws feels so much more real and scarily true to life the older I get.
Thank you for this comment, it's the only correct take in the whole comment section.
And honestly....these are the shows we need if it makes us think into deep analysis like this. No joke.
@@mortal-enemy You must not be looking hard enough then
@@mortal-enemy I saw like 4 other good takes but okay
The part the show alludes to is, this is what forms the most toxic relationships
Its not the Alcohol, its the societal pressure pushing you to make a choice. Or change yourself
Alcohol didnt make her feel left out, society and family did. Alcohol didnt convince Clay to fall for her, he was lonely two
It’s so great how this shows the different flavors of alcoholism. Bloberta’s dad was able to get past his abuse while drinking while Clay became more abusive while drinking.
I mean also bloberta hooked him into a marriage while he was weak despite the fact she knew him for a day and got him started on his crippling addiction to alcohol. All because she wanted to feel loved and helpful, additionally Clay was a closeted homosexual.
@@phunkyzilla that makes soooo much more sense
I think Bloberta’s dad was a functional alcoholic. He was just intimidated by his wife
@@phunkyzilla Clay is a closeted bisexual. He flirts with a lot of women including an older woman who gets him hooked on an Oedipus complex through his life and had a long standing affair with a guy.
Hi yo... did Clay murder his parents?
People always mention that this is the night Clay became an alcoholic but I've never seen anyone point out this is also the night Bloberta QUIT alcohol, solely because she was so disgusted by how it made Clay act
she didn’t exactly quite tho? In the end wedding scene she drinks again.
@@pepray besides, she ended up trading one addiction for another. Addictive personalities tend to be what they are regardless of the drug of choice.
@@bluecoin3771 ~ Yeah, I was gonna say, she’s now addicted to cleaning. And she has anger towards Clay when he drinks instead of her “nice/calm personality” when she drinks.
She still shouldn’t be drinking as much as she did, but when she did she was nicer then their her new addiction that comes with hating her husband.
@@pepray ~ She didn’t. It seems to me like she was taking a “cute wedding photo”, but she didn’t necessarily drink it. Plus, it is overly obvious that Clay did drink excessively by the fact he was drinking in that photo (along with other photos); so if she was still drinking, I think it’d be more obvious.
Wow, somehow I didn't realize that until now. 👍
"im not gonna have a bride at my own wedding" let that sink in for a second
He’s gonna have a nice blonde coach instead 🤩
(Homer Simpson voice) gay, gay, gay, gay, gay gay, gayyy…
Technically he was denying the possibility of marriage 😂👌
But i like the twist yall put on it
@@donovanulrich348 Honestly, knowing this show, it's probably both. One is just more obvious lol
I could spend all day talking about this goofy little piece o’ shit’s sexuality because it confuses the hell out of me and I love it
You know the fucked up part is Clay probably would've liked Bloberta if she were honest about hitting him that night since he associates abuse with affection/attention
Good god that really is fucked up
GOD WHY 😭
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i laughed so hard at that but wow its fucked up XD
Congrats on making the most brutal show ever significantly more depressing
I just realised that Bloberta and Clay were only able to be comfortable and socialise properly together when they were drunk. That is so sad.
Bloberta seems to be doing alright without being drunk.
Bloberta going sober and basically destroying any semblance of comfort and happyness around Clay is such a cruel ironic twist, i wonder if the cancelled seasons would had shown more of her past alcoholism
@@DenerWitt she seems to have replaced one addiction with another
(Remember when she freaked out when the cleaning supplies were switched)
@@tahraethestoryteller6079 sure, Bloberta was drinking to cope with her shitty life and Clay started drinking to help with his social awkwardness and shyness. But eventually he also was drinking to cope.
Glad a lot of people get it
Blowberta shouldnt have tried using alcohol to open up clay.
He was a troubled man, who didnt need alcohol. You shouldnt have introduced it if he wasent ready.
Other then that i think Blowberta was actually a good pick for Clay. She didnt want to be controling, she just didnt want to be alone. He was okey being alone, but didnt mind opening up
For anyone who doesn’t know - the opening song (Old College Try by The Mountain Goats) has been muted due to copyright. It’s stupid, I agree.
"It's stupid" you do realise that if I didn't mute it this physically couldn't be uploaded
@@QuiteSimplyInsane
No, not that. I know that, and I’m not calling your decision stupid at all. I mean the fact that the copyright owners muted that part of the video because of at most 30 seconds of music is stupid. Sorry for the confusion and once again I didn’t mean to disrespect you at all.
@@mergieismoronic Oh, sorry for the mix up. And I Agree, it's just annoying that I had to mute a song worth 20 seconds especially since the song helps the plot
🇲🇾🃏🎴🎴🔝
interestingly enough, every time I see this show taken down here, it's because of Warner Bros taking down the show itself, not the record label getting mad for the use of the song
CLAY LOOKS SO HAPPY DRINKING THE APPLE JUICE. 💀
IT'S LOW-KEY CUTE.
6:02
Is the guy to Bloberta's left Quinton Potterswheel??? They low-key look similar.
New hc that Clay's favorite (non-alcoholic) drinks is Apple juice, and milk.
That extends to he probably liked it because his mom gave it to him a lot before she died.
No but why is clay more like Orel when he was small and in this episode
Can’t blame him, apple juice is absolutely scrumptious.
i love Juice sm as well. the fact that Boberta seemed disgusted by the Apple Juice really offended me.
Her coming from a family that constantly alienated her and made her feel unwanted might explain why she is not an affectionate mother at all, and instead only deals with the basic needs of the household. Sure, she tends to her children, but she avoids any and all actual conversations. Her answers are always short when she talks to Orel, if she doesn't instead just delegate the task of dealing with Orel's emotional needs/questions to Clay. She only does tasks that are objectively 'helpful'.
It seems to me, that because she didn't have a good mother, her parenting style is based on her father, who cared for her but the abuse had rendered him emotionally unavailable.
Wow, great analysis!
I agree with you, couldn’t have said it better myself.
As it relates to what I've experienced and seen you are very correct
I thought she did all the housework as an excuse to get high on all the cleaning products?
@@maliksmith9003 💀💀
The sad part is that all those girls who gotten married all have crappy marriages in the future😞. So Bloberta pretty much got married for nothing 🤷🏾♀️
I mean they all ended up with crappy marriages including Bloberta. I think it would have been best for her to wait for the actual right guy, and to also not manipulate hungover Clay to marry her as a thank you/sorry.. it’s sad on both ends of their marriage tbh
@@QuinnRuiz Not such a crappy marriage, at least they conceived Orel, who seems to be one of the best last hope of humanity, wish someone like him existed :/
@@artyom8905 yeah, I think orel kinda is their only hope
Orel was definitely the best thing that ever came out of their relationship.
@@lucasmartinez5703 That’s true
it’s so interesting that her parents told her to clean her room, but she drank instead. then when she quits drinking, she immediately goes to cleaning.
She's seeking something to fill the hole left by her family and peers alienating her. She's desperate for affection and feeling wanted. When she swore off drinking, compulsive cleaning became her respite.
I think it shows how quickly Clay was addicted to alcohol after just one drink. He instantly liked who he became when he drank it and never wanted to be without it again.
Yeah, really shows the nature of a chemical and psychological addiction works.
And a good number of the fandom fucking ignores it just to place all the blame for Clay on Bloberta.
@@kevinwillems8720 god thank you finally someone else said it. there's plenty of things to blame her for here but she did not turn him into an alcoholic. that's always been such a stupid argument
Now that I think about it, Did he hate the person he was before?
@@TheStarswearee yeah, in sacrifice, during his rant he talks about it
@@TheStarswearee he made his father angry on purpose to get hit, because it was the only attention he would receive from his father. In season 3’s the Easter episode you can see Clay attempt the same by trying to get the 3 men in the bar (reverend, cop, and doctor) to hit him but none of them take his bait. His mother’s heart failed after Clay pretended to shoot himself for attention after he found out he had 9 siblings that all died by miscarriage and he wasn’t his mom’s ‘one and only baby’.
Bloberta married clay and got him into drinking because she wanted to get away from her family and be accepted by her friends that were married as well. Bloberta only met Clay and tricked him into marriage when they first met. She was desperate.
That explains why Bloberta broke down crying when she left Orel's room.
She didn't escape her problems, it caught up with her and it's worse than before.
it kinda pisses me off how Clay almost had a happy ending. Not really considering how horrible everybody is on this show, but at least he almost got a chance. if he didnt get addicted to alcohol and found a nice woman. Only if.
@@DenerWitt for him to be truly happy. He needs to come to terms with himself and make peace with his father. Put his dark past behind him.
@@DenerWitt he immediately and instinctively lied about his parents being dead to a complete stranger and his first instinct when learning about his mother’s miscarriages was to fake his own death punish her.
Notice something he never once said he was sorry for the prank.
Not to his father, not to his mother while say dying.
He’s a narcissist.
And based on how easy it was for him to get hooked on drinking a predilection towards addiction.
@@servoaugusta513 wow Clay is really too prideful and narcissistic to admit what he did. He felt above and he didn't need to apologize
I thought she was crying for orel having gotten shot
I feel like the sign at the ending is even pretty powerful. "Just married " they're just. Married. That's it. They never really had a love. They are just, two people who are broken and married.
Ok
@@bloddrinkeraka ok
this
That was definitely the point.
Nice wording, though.
I was about to point that out.
I love how moral orel was the splitting image of his father pre drink
Yes AND no.
Clay was narcissistic and lacked a whole lot of empathy unlike Orel
Though in terms of charisma I think they're kind of similar
It’s a dark commentary on the effects of alcoholism.
and when orel started drinking in season 1 he became the plitting image of clay
@@jarb151 didn't orel just go "room boom uh room boom boom uh" and like jump off a highish thing (he was rude to these kids i think,while hungover but nowhere NEAR clays level of entitledness) while clay at his drunkest in "nature pt 1" pour out every single bitter emotion in his heart? And SHOT his kid? *im comparing orel at not that drunk to clay being black out drunk bc kids cant handle as much alcohol*
The more I think about them the more I realize their marriage was out of necessity for each other and not love. Bloberta wanted to feel wanted and clay wanted to feel validated
“But I will walk down to the end with you, if you will come all the way down with me”
Totally agree
It’s symbiotic. They’re kind of perfect for each other in a way.
Clay needs unconditional love and support, he’s almost desperate for it. And Bloberta needs to take care of something and feel useful. They couldn’t be with anyone else without doing serious work on themselves.
Now that I think about it, before getting manipulated into drinking and getting married clay was just like Orel, huh
NO STOP😭✋🏽
No the fuck he wasn't lol.
Clay clearly was emotionally cut off from people because of his childhood while Orel was open to people *despite* his childhood. This is why Clay was always alone vs. Orel who had friends and made attempts to bond with his family. If Clay didn't get married, he literally would've just stayed to himself vs. Orel who had a gf and clearly was excited about being married.
@@annoyedbyyourface You should probably keep in mind that Orel IS 12 while Clay was older. I haven’t finished the show yet LOL but maybe Orel could’ve grown to be more like his father at the time?
@@fart1745 even while clay was a child he and orel had very clear differences, such as clay's pretty much lack of empathy
@@moonialin Yeah, I’ve finished it now. Definitely get where you’re coming from.
I feel like her having a literal cold touch is some sort of symbolism for her embrace being a sort of death sentence for both of them.
I really like this perspective
A couple of things it could also be;
1. A joke about her being a puppet
2. A metaphor for her being a “cold” person
3. A random line included for a giggle during an intense scene
It’s fun to theorize, and sometimes we’re right, but most of the time a writer’s intentions are not that deep. We gotta look at the general theme and ideas presented to get the actual message :) though I like this interpretation.
People argue that Bloberta ruined Clay or Clay ruined Bloberta. I’d argue they ruined each other. She gave him the liquor that released his trauma and he in turn took that trauma out on her, along with everyone else he loves.
If you remember Clay's mom, Angela, telling him about the many times she was pregnant with his still born siblings. She mentions a lot about how she missed out on smoking, drinking and other rigorous activities during her pregnancy with Clay. I honestly believe this was intended to reveal to the audience that Clay's addictions to substances was genetically inherited from his mother. Angela being addicted to Cigs, booze, and adrenaline. Leading to her having a frail heart condition from how she's abused her body. Clay was failed, both by nature and nurture.
Like fueling a fire that burns the fueler...
Man how did I not pass ELA
reminder that learning why someone is abusive does not mean theyre abuse is okay! Clay and Blorberta had horrible pasts, but i would still light them on fire given the chance!
A bit much but I see where you coming from
No there abusive parents one literally shot his kid and got away with it and told the child it was his fault he needs to burn
@@PALACIO254 nah i would light them on fire
exactly. it provides an understanding, but NOT a justification.
@@axjk4025 omori pfp?
Anyone notice how Bloberta says "Why not" whenever she accepts or settles with the bare minimum in terms of attention or praise? "Why Not" when asked to stand in a corner. "Why Not" when asked to be "useful" and clean her room. "Why Not" when asked if she'll marry Clay. She knows she settling with the bare minimum but goes with it anyways because for her its better than getting on their bad side, being ridiculed or getting ignored all together. At least thats how i see it
She’s fallen into the “10% is better than nothing” rut that neglected people settle for
I can’t believe I didn’t notice that ya’ll are so smart.
She’s always the last option, so to her marrying Clay wasn’t even a question. Her self esteem is so terrible she couldn’t imagine turning away someone who might love her.
YES
Exactly! Honestly, I know that some of her actions aren’t the best, but I feel so bad for her. Her self-esteem is so low that she thinks all she deserves is the bare minimum and she doesn’t even expect that half the time.
I find it hard to summarize and judge the people in this show.
Easy to call clay and or bloberta a monster, but pretty much everyone in the town is broken in some way, and kindness is a rarity.
I like this show, because it's a fever dream that reminds me so much of reality. It certainly doesn't give me many tips on how to cope with abuse, but it does at least make me feel like I'm not alone, and it makes me question if the ways I do cope are abusive.
This show depicts abuse in so many ways. It's like the writers just tossed a bunch of their own experiences into a hat and made a character who would go through that abuse.
Exactly!!
The characters in this show have such depth!!
If you want to watch something that talks a little more about how we can move beyond our abuse and pain, bojack horseman is also a great show. Also, if you really want to try to figure it out, therapy is great. When you have thoughts like "I feel shitty and I want to stop feeling shitty but I don't know how! Or I want to know why!" Therapy basically exists for that reason.
You are right, some of the ways you cope might be abusive, towards others or towards yourself. But you always have a chance to take that step towards something better, a better version of you, a version that has a different way to cope with the pain. (Sorry unforuntately the pain will always be there, it may lessen with time though)
I think they hit the nail on the head with that part where the bride is talking about serving hors d’oeuvres and then right after she’s given the sign and told to go chant that “only whores serve hors d’oeuvres”. Everyone is broken by their own shame
“I think drinking makes us better people”
Oh man I bet she regrets that now
And yet, she still won't take any accountability for it.
@@randomcenturion7264 she doesn’t have to take any accountability for Clay’s overall alcoholism.
bloberta planted the seed and clay kept on watering it .
parallel to “ you become a bad person when you drink “
I like how the start of Orel's story begins with an allegory for Adam and Eve. Clay(Adam) Has no parents and is tempted to sin by his future wife (Eve).
damnn
The apple juice plays an important role in there too, I presume
@@scillavanilla5356 Didn’t even notice. Nice catch!
@@scillavanilla5356 And the ground in which Orel walks became cursed.
Actually its more a Kane and able parable 😂🤷♂️
Cuz clay would eventually go on to have Orel, who is kinda like Enoch. A sinless man (Yeah Orel does fucked up shit, but never intended for negative results. He always tries to act according to god for the right reason)
Season 1: This is hilarious and kind of sad. But mostly hilarious
Season 3 *this is devasting*
her family isnt singing at her wedding
I never noticed that, I wonder if she cut them out or something
I think they are not happy about her marriage, maybe it's due to the disapproval of Clay, you can see them at 10:53, her parents and sister look indifferent and her brother actually looks upset
She didn’t want them to. The day was supposed to be about her and her onlyn
@@plingtan8927 Despite what we saw I feel like Lunchbox did care about Bloberta deep down. He probably even knew about Clay’s true nature and Bloberta probably just ignored him.
@@plingtan8927 why would they even care?, well, I can agree that her dad would, he loved Bloberta. But the rest of the family?, come on, they treated her like the black sheep of the family.
It is more reasonable they got angry because they couldn't show off their singing abilities as their precious choir.
It really just goes to show how much people can pass on their hurt to one another.
Hurt people hurt people
"Hate away sister"
That season 3 opener
There's always a reason why people are the way they are. And just to think about it, I wonder how Clay would have been if he never met Bloberta? It was her that sparked the drinking for him. He was messed up enough already.
So desperate to get married she created a monster
Clay actually would’ve been healthy and live a happy life, while Bloberta wasted her life still tryna find a reason to be useful.
It's always sad when that happens.
I still have hope that someday the last 2 seasons will be made
I feel like he would've still ended up being toxic, but not a toxic drunkard. All of those unhealthy habits he had might just've been expressed differently.
Wow Bloberta is literally the reason Clay is alcoholic wow
6:40 and 6:53 yeah that's the reason he become alcoholic and abusive with olre she a influence with Jesus
He was so wholesome with the apple juice :(
he still chooses to drink alcohol constantly without her doing anything. he is an adult, so he can be held accountable.
@@lgbtqiarights Yeah but she maliciously introduced him to it, all she cared about was not being left out, she couldn’t bear being different...
@@artyom8905 clay is an adult. he has responsibility for his actions now. and bloberta isn’t shown to encourage his drinking affer that
So... no one's gonna say anything about how Clay basically turned into Bloberta's Father and hates himself for it?
Your not alone. I feel like clay tries to escape his problems but yet does them in the worse way as possible.
@@refined1 I don’t think he quite became Raymond, Clay is too much of a creep.
Basically? dude Bloberta's father lacks confidence and is basically a footstool to his wife. Does that sound like Clay?
@@acidicali7776 Clay is a footstool to his wife until he starts to regret it
@@norslongplays946 when has he ever done that?
I can't "help" but feel sorry for Bloberta with her past. She wants to feel useful and have that sense of accomplishment by "helping" others. She feels worthless when left out of her family choir or Censordoll's protests (She can't "help" them). With Clay, she is miserable but can "help" him. Even though she's miserable with him, she'd be even more miserable without him (No one to "help").
This is exactly why they can’t leave each other. Everyday is horrible when they’re together, but yet they’d be lost if they got divorced
To be fair, she could definitely give her kids a little more "help"
@@artvulture456 lol that orel's job as the oldest sibling, a comedian said it best "your older sibling is in charge while we're gone, which is like having your horse watch your dog."
@@ghoul4748 is this poorly done irony or somthing?
@@ghoul4748 Neglect 101
Bloberta and her father use alcohol to cope with abuse, later we see Bloberta try to get Clay to cope with her but it just makes him an asshole and it ruins drinking for her; without a way to cope with this new abuse she just spirals into misery. Just like my mom!
Are you ok graffiti gremlin?
@@kevinwillems8720 not at all
Do you wanna talk about it bro?
In a messed up way she was trying to bond with Clay. But it didn’t work and she realized that she hated herself. So she hates herself when she drinks and she feels nothing when she doesn’t. She chose to feeling over hating herself.
Misery and compulsive cleaning. Compulsive behaviors can be a way people cope with trauma. Main issue is that compulsion is rarely healthy since it rules your life and gets in the way of important things and the ability to fully feel your emotions.
Clay honestly looked like a very decent guy before bloburta came into his life.
He wasn't
@@misnomer6345 I mean he wasn't a depressed self hating alcoholic till he met bloburta so....
@@SifGreyfang he was REpressed and self hating before he met bloberta
@@definitelynotsiri4058 nah
Emphasis on "looked" :/
I applaud this show for highlighting abuse by mothers against their kids and husbands.
might be a reason why the show was cancelled. They talk about about subjects that people dont want to talk about. THat and the show is not really fun entertainment, it is depressing and interesting tho
@@DenerWitt it is pretty funny especially in the first 2 seasons
@@savagetv6460 I wont disagree with you, but much of this show is really depressing
I do appreciate when shows depict how abusive father figures can and have been and how common it is bc of societal power men are usually given. But it’s good to show how mothers and anyone else in a household can play the role of an abuser. Especially without bringing any weird misogynistic reasoning of depicting these type of people and behavior.
@@milkmancatcher1996 Can you exemplify this societal power men have? Because Im still waiting for mine.
I have to say, I do love the fact that this show gives the "why", even if it's not revealed at first, it's revealed in time (and when I mean why, why the characters are the way they are, what shaped them etc). Love the show, completely in love with it. feel like people marrying for the wrong reason has led for their downfall....
I also have to say it's kinda sad that you can see a little bit of orel in his dad before he's ruined by alcoholism.....
@@shannonnoah1856 Definitely. The entire marriage is a big example of why you should do things that make YOU happy and not others
“At least you tried…to try”
“Yeah…almost anyway”
Bloberta was a middle child.
That explains a lot
I love how there is a small community in the comments of the Moral Orel videos
Yeah! We are all here in every update
It's growing every day
Yessir HBO max gang🤣
Yup
So I'm not the only one coming back to this show for some reason? Guess we're all tied together, then.
It's interesting to see how Bloberta developed cleaning as a way to cope after she got married to Clay...it seemed like she didn't care that much about it and mainly relied on alcohol before then. Her room was messy and didn't change even after her mother told her to clean up.
I've watched this series a few times over and how am I just now realizing this after reading your comment?! My brain glossed over her messy room as a teen versus the obsessive cleanliness in her housewife years :(
I think maybe she has some form of OCD? I know literally nothing but her need to drink to relieve stress, that is replaced by her need to clean feels indicative of an underlying issue.
OCD doesn’t make you a clean person, it makes you obsessively repeat tasks and ideas, even if you know they’re harmful. I think this was a manifestation of that.
For Bloberta, Clay turned out to be an amalgamation of everything wrong with her own family: her well-meaning but cowardly father's alcoholism and general ineffectiveness, weakness and apathy toward his family; her overbearing mother's dismissiveness, domineering and narcissism; and her siblings' selfish and spoiled attitudes stemming from the blatant favoritism.
Add a dash of chauvinism and misogyny, a bit of codependence, a pinch of closeted bisexuality, some repression, a generous splash of hypocrisy, and a whopping scoop of Oedipus complex, and voila!
You now have the deluxe s**t sandwich that is Clay Puppington.
Also, gotta love 8:13
Clay: this is a red flag, I’m giving you an out
Bloberta: this is a fist, I’m giving you a concussion
Also Bloberta: please ruin my life, mildly attractive stranger
Many such cases!
Bloberta is a part of me, I swear. This show helped me make it through college. I'm in therapy now working through trauma in that time in my life. I always felt Bloberta understood something about trauma I was still trying to figure out.
That's awesome.
She married her father
And pushed her father's vice onto him
Things get better, you are more than your past.
Keep striving.
@@youtubeaccount5673 it is not about her specific story, just more about how she coped. Getting numb, playing 'her role' in society, etc
Hope your doing well T. I see a bit of myself in Clay and that's why I use him as a warning sign if I ever feel like doing something that goes against my core beliefs.
Ultimately their relationship is a warning as to why pressuring people into committing or feeling the moral obligation to do so is a dangerous game. The fact of the matter is that 100% of people are incompatible in some way and every relationship will have their struggle, and the only way to find out if marriage would work out is to test the waters.
Both Bloberta and Clay were pressured into doing the right thing by their religion (Bloberta more so then Clay by a long shot, but still). Clearly they were incompatible which led them to completely destroy each other in the long run.
Not only about that, Bloberta wanted to escape from the toxic environment of her family as sure as possible as well :'
It was less about religion and more about how much an abusive and neglectful environment bloberta's home was.
@jollygrapefruit786 DEMOMAN?
This is easily the most depressing episode in the entire show imo
alone
@@ALunarLight that was rly dark but I found this one more sad tbh
@@NeoKatsapas fair enough
Mr electric!!
@@VilaToro64 HE WROTE IN MY DREAM JOURNAL
Bloberta seems to be obsessed with helping because her being "helpful" was the only way she got acknowledged by her family.
I know that the opening scene is supposed to have a song, and it sucks that it got muted due to copyright, but I think that having no music kind of sets up the episode in a way.
Bloberta becomes so numb in her marriage with Clay, the emptiness that the silent opening has just makes the episode hit just a little harder for me.
It kinda does
6:09 “Don’t have a family….. only child my family’s DEAD”
I ALMOST DIED
the complete silence at the beginning and end is pretty haunting. kinda adds a new perspective and side to this episode.
Might have been because of copyright, but I like your perspective :)
It was because of copyright. The song that played there was originally Old College Try by The Mountain Goats which bookends the episode.
@@hipsterelephant2660 oh yeah I know it is, I’ve seen the original, but it definitely makes the episode feel very different
@@samboger25 still that's an interesting take. I only explained because these uploads are how a bunch of people experienced the show for the first time.
💀 The dead silence left such an empty, morbid feeling of WRONGNESS that was just downright eerie. Well played. I kept wondering if my earbuds stopped working. But that seemed intentional.
Hahaha nvm I guess it was muted for copyrighted reasons maybe? Either way, it definitely painted an unsettling mood to me
Bloberta- hymen-in-tact
WOOOOOOOW 😂😂😂
That joke went way over my head until i saw your comment 😂🤦🏾♀️
I noticed that and spat out my apple juice.
lmao how did I miss that
I feel so bad for Bloberta’s dad, being abused by your wife and on top of that feeling unable to feel emotionally attached with your own children because of it.
This episode really highlights why anytime a musical number comes in, bloberta breaks out singing along. After all the neglect in her family, she takes any opportunity to sing that she gets
I don't know if any of you noticed, but that song Bloberta's family was singing at the wedding is great satire of how people expect marriages should always be.
Such a Bojack-esque episode. Amazing.
You can tell that Moral Orel really inspired BH.
Moral Orel is the best show , I love the whole cast of them, it's a hidden gem w. Horrific dysfunctional town w. Lessons of the warped but one of my favorite, how
can anyone not like Moral Orel.
If you remember Clay's mom, Angela, telling him about the many times she was pregnant with his still born siblings. She mentions a lot about how she missed out on smoking, drinking and other rigorous activities during her pregnancy with Clay. I honestly believe this was intended to reveal to the audience that Clay's addictions to substances was genetically inherited from his mother. Angela being addicted to Cigs, booze, and adrenaline. Leading to her having a frail heart condition from how she's abused her body. Clay was failed, both by nature and nurture.
The purest love bloberta ever had was from her father and even he didn't have a voice how sad is that
Anyways TWO HIGHBALLS
Everyone talks about Bloberta being the push Clay needed into a valley of acoholism, but no one talks about how Clay's behavior while drunk seems to spiral her into her cleanliness obsession + a doubling down on Protestant values.
In one night, they brought out both the worst in each other and made it permanent.
"you hold my head up so it doesn't fall and hurt like no one has in a long, long time. so, y'know… i should keep you"
he'd learned to associate abuse w affection but hasn't received actual affection since his mom died and now in this very brief moment he's being reminded of how good love is supposed to feel, how it's not supposed to hurt and feel bad, and that's the whole reason he marries her WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS
Props for not making bloberta the victim of clay like other shows. She’s just as bad and helped turn clay into the monster Orel saw in the woods. The fact that Orel was such a good kid with parents like them is the biggest miracle in this show.
At 9:50, Clay’s pupils do the very subtle dart back & forth to better look into Bloberta’s eyes & I think it’s brilliant!! Love this show, especially this episode/all of season three!
I wonder how Orel would feel about Bloberta’s family?
I imagine he would get along with her father the most.
Clay pretending both of his parents are dead when talking to Bloberta is hella relatable as someone with abusive parents.
I usually just lie to everyone and say I'm an orphan, because I don't want to explain my situation, or acknowledge having parents. 💀
John Darnielle made a pair of reoccuring characters in the Mountain Goats' songs called The Alpha Couple. They're both fundamentally broken people who fall in love but are horribly incompatible, and just leeches off of each other, and alcohol is what drives the relationship or even makes it slightly functional. They decide they want to fix things, and move together to Tallahassee in a little house where they rot and never see the light of day until the house burns down. They hate each other, but cannot stand being alone so they stay miserable.
Huh! I sure do hope this lovely couple don't match that description.
I love how different of a character Clay is before Bloberta and how much he flipped, beautiful writing by the creators
Orel gets the hyper christian positive from young adult clay, and he gets the take a lesson/slight pressure and turn it into a monster tragedy from bloberta. At least orel rises above where his parents fell
"All of them?"
"Well yeah there were only two" 💀
it’s pretty wild
You can tell Pre drunk clay was a bit off
But you can throw it under the rug of “He is a weirdo” or “He is a little confused but as spunk”
But the second a bad influence gets a hold of him it’s game over
I feel so terrible for Ex-Mrs.Fakie, she was very kind only for people to walk all over her and cheat on her.
I just noticed. After Bloberta said alcohol helps people to become better, she mentions her father drinks. When her father is drunk enough, he at least tries to become a better father.
Now, she knows that alcohol doesn't make you better. It brings out your true nature.
interesting
God as the child of an alcoholic, that is such a myth. Alcohol DOES NOT bring out your true nature and honestly it’s so offensive hearing people say that and genuinely believe it
4:38
And this, folks, was the moment where EVERYTHING went wrong.
That smile. That damned smile.
Just Married.
No love, understanding, compassion, intimacy, appreciation, safety, fulfillment.
Just...married.
NOOOO THATS SO SAD
I feel so sorry for Clay. He was pressured into marrying her when me probably only saw her as a friend. He was so sober but she just had to intoduce him to alcohol and it ended up ruining his ways. so did the marriage. They wouldve been much more better off if they took it slow or just stayed as friends
But then again Bloberta felt obligated to get married.
"all of them?"
"Well there were only two"
Im dying, but also the fucking fact that from the start, Clay and Bloberta could only get along when they were drunk is just, oof, biggest red flag.
And that Clay just wanted to be celibate, like nothing justifies what he's done, but this really shows how much of this was Bloberta's fault.
I think being told to go away and clean her room somewhat lead to her obsession with cleaning
I'm just glad that Orel was able to break the cycle of abuse inherited from both his families
“I think drinking makes us better people”
Yea looked how that turned out 😞
9:20 I think Clay only asked to have Bloberta's hand in marriage is because she was babying him in the moment. Something that Clay's mom did to him up until she passed when he was 12. Years after his mother passed, I think this moment was him wanting to subconsciously seek out his mother in Bloberta and keep her with him.
Clay seemed like an actually nice and stable person
bloberta is a typical narcissist; just as abusive as the abuser that she helped create but hides under an illusion that evokes pity. everything is “not her fault” and she was “only trying to help” when in reality, she uses people to feel worthy.
Yep, covert vs overt narcissists
The whole point of the show is that no adult in it is a good person ffs, you don't need to label them with a "scary-sounding" mental illness for that message to carry across. By separating people into monsters using pop psychology labels and normal people instead of accepting that maybe real life people are complex, you're only making it harder for yourself to notice when you, your friends, or your loved ones are exhibiting toxic or abusive behaviors. It's also a dangerous road to convincing yourself into believing that abuse is who you are at your core rather than what you do, meaning "I can't change, so why bother trying" (which is the very mindset criticized with Principal Fakey's character lol)
Can we not misuse the word narcissist omg
@@hithere2477e are not, we are speaking colloquially. Crazy how the same word has different meanings, in different circumstances, depending on the context *sarcasm* ... LOL!
Dude, literally one of the biggest plot points in the show is that NO adult in moralton is a 'good' person; they're all traumatized in some way, and as a result, use that trauma to hurt others. It's showing the dangers of the intergenerational cycle of abuse- why do you think they have the flashbacks of Bloberta and Clay, two of the shows biggest shitheads? They're not 'evil' at the core- they're two people who never got help. You don't need to misapply terms used to describe legitimate mental illnesses in order to brand characters as unconditionally evil. Btw, narcissism as a illness seems to be a coping mechanism for childhood abuse, much like bpd. It does not brand someone as a malicious monster whose worth absolutely nothing.
After Millie leaves to picket at her reception just as she fades out you can hear her crying 5:38
clays awkward lil smiles made him look so innocent 😭
the pauses of silence are really loud
instead of wedding music and celebration, its real, its quite, and its cold and unforgiving just like there relationship start to finish
so THAT'S why Bloberta likes cleaning so much.
I like how bloberta’s dad isn’t a bad person, just nervous af
Bloberta's maiden name was Bloberta Hymentact?!
That's just too funny.
I'm shocked by the fact that Clay didn't use to drink
Clay was so sweet before omg,it’s so sad to see what addiction can rlly do to people
5:30 Really messed up because that principal is just gonna cheat on her
I've been watching this episode everyday the past two weeks. Something comfortable about it. In a complicated relationship with a man who slowly became addicted to drinking. I cleaned up after him regularly. Started to get angry. Now I live in an apartment by myself and I'm depressed. Scared I'm become Bloberta.
You left though. That's something Bloberta was never able to do, so in my eyes, you're better off than her. I hope you're doing better!
How are you doing now my bro?
@@vienna-mf8xb Ended up drinking heavily every night until I had a wake-up call. Now in therapy to get myself together.
Hey dude how are you doing? It’s been a year and I’m worried about you :(
@@gabriellegoodwin4422 it has been a lot better. Got therapy. Can control my drinking, finally. Ask yourself why you drink and face that head on. Sending blessings and love to anyone who has struggled with substance abuse. Thank you for the follow up.
In his own weird way the father does love bloberta but is too crippled by addiction and the urge to maintain peace.
One of my all time favourite episodes of the show
3:05 I don’t think that the son has the same dad’s is the other sisters…just like shapey
god poor clay was almost as innocent as orel even as an adult....until bloberta came in, practically forcing him into a marriage (And his alcoholism) i want to know what he would have been like as a father if he never got drunk...
Clay was actually not a bad dude until he met her😭
True tho
Can we just take a moment of silence for all the henpecked fathers out there. It’s rare but that’s my dad. She “wears the pants”. And no one lets him have an opinion. He feels like he can’t say what he wants. It’s really sad and a bad example as a kid.
I hope that you are feeling better now. How are you?
People make jokes about it but that is serious emotional abuse that can wear away at you. I hope dudes in relationships like that learn that it’s not just “what marriage is like” and leave, and that their wives learn to stop being so overbearing.
I now realise that if clay never drank he wouldn’t be a bad dad
That's not necessarily true. He's an alcoholic, yes, but he learned his abusive behaviour from his own father. It's reasonable to believe that he would probably still be a bad dad if he didn't drink, the drinking just made it worse and more likely.
"you need me to help" "help" small words spoken but so sad and meaningful
i feel sorry for Clay. he was not into drinking but Bloberta made him get into it as well as pressuring him into marriage even though he doesnt seem to be into it
Given how much his mother drank, it’s surprising Clay didn’t before Bloberta