Re-evaluation of Indian Genesis | Samvaad 2023 | IIT KGP |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- About the Talk:
Who are we? Where do we come from? Who were our ancestors? Under the scrutiny of evidence and facts emerging from rigorous research, this panel explores the truth of Indian ancestry. From population genetics and archaeology to literary text and linguistics, a multidisciplinary approach was taken to delve into the theory of Aryan invasion and its contemporary and future implications on Indian society. Our esteemed guest speakers offered their unique perspectives on this topic, engaging in an insightful discussion.
Speakers: Amritanshu Pandey, Koenraad Elst, Vasant Shinde, Gyaneshwer Chaubey
Moderator: Raghava Krishna
About The Speakers:
Amritanshu Pandey: Director of Strategy at Bṛhat LLC. Amrit combines more than a decade of professional experience rooted in product development, with a lifetime of engagement with ancient Indian history. He writes on history, civilizational thinking, and design.
Dr. Koenraad Elst: Belgian Indologist with a master's in Sinology, Indology, and Philosophy, original fieldwork in BHU, and a Ph.D. in Oriental Studies with a dissertation on Hindu nationalism. His publications cover Asian philosophies, language policy, democracy, Indo-European origins, Vedic history, religion and politics, and the Ayodhya dispute. His books include Decolonizing the Hindu Mind, Hindu Dharma and the Culture Wars, and Forever Ayodhya.
Vasant Shinde: Renound archaeologist and Former Vice Chancellor of world-acclaimed Deccan College Deemed University, Pune, India. Former Founding Director General, N MHC, Lothal. He has written 12 books, two monographs, 19 edited books/journals, 133 papers in national journals/books, 72 research papers in international journals/books, and 24 popular articles in magazines and other periodicals.
Gyaneshwer Chaubey: Professor at Dept. of Zoology in BHU. He has a research career in Estonian Biocentre and the University of Tartu, Estonia, as a PhD student and thereafter in scientist and senior scientist positions. He was also a visiting scientist at the Sanger Centre, United Kingdom. As a Biological Anthropologist, he works on the population genetics of several ethnic groups in South Asia.
Raghava Krishna: Founder and CEO at Brhat LLC. 21 years exp. spanning game development, learning, and entrepreneurship. Expertise in leading cross-functional creative product development teams, learning design, and org culture. He was the co-founder and Associate Dean of Academics at Rashtram School of Public Leadership.
Topics Covered:
00:00 Introduction
02:16 What is at stake?
04:26 Amrit ji on India's genesis - Rig ved & continuity
07:41 Purans on human development and settlements
10:25 Necessity of Out of India theory
11:51 Dr Elst on Aryan debate & Out of India theory
13:00 Voltaire's view on Out of India theory
14:06 From Aryan invasion to immigration
15:00 Europe has an Aryan invasion rather than India
17:47 Rig Ved pre-dates Indus Valley civilization
21:05 Strong doubts about homeland based on linguistics
23:54 What prompted europian to the Out of India theory?
27:29 Distortion through the translation of Vedas
30:39 Understanding different contours
32:28 Archeological perspective by Dr. Vasant Shinde ji
35:33 Disapierance of river Saraswati and its discovery
37:40 Who were the Harappans
54:33 Harappa and civilizational continuity
59:38 Raghav ji to Prof Chaubey on Genetics
1:04:03 Genetics of Indian ancestry
1:07:38 Time when river Saraswati dried
1:11:15 Harappans were the Vedic people
1:15:02 Constructing the story of our civilization
1:20:25 Material and philosophical continue of Bharat
1:24:13 Q&A: How to overcome biases in academia
1:32:51 Q&A: North-South divide evidence & pre-Vedic condition
1:39:02 Q&A: Text-book rectification & historical context to the name 'Bharat'
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A highly cerebral discourse on evolution of Indic civilization and I can take pride in being a descendent of the same .
What a great invention and knowledge.. We need more studies and brought in limelight in different Indian languages.. wish this talks are also be in Hindi to reach masses of people. Thanks a lot Sangam.
Great to see the stalwarts together!!👌👍
Pandey ji is a brilliant young man. His power of articulation is so phenomenal! The young Indic intellectuals, thinkers, researchers are making me excited about the future. The Western dominance in knowledge production in the last 200+ yrs will be challenged in a big way by these young Bharatiyas.
Excellent discussion
Pranam
Great convo!
Vasant Shinde sir is vastly underrated.
He is totally biassed !
What about astronomical evidences that emerge from puranic sources!? The apologetic investigators are so timid in declaring the obvious and seeking the obscure! The mother India theory will prevail that no other civilization had developed so much of scriptures, art forms , grammar , mathematics, cultivation, medical matters and astronomical knowledge that only a continuous intelligent civilization who can do all these things in such an elaborate manner. Excellent discussion!
And such advanced knowledge left us with bullock carts, open latrines etc. ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg😂 only foolish people can't see beyond a specific time period. You superimpose today's reality on every era of India, that's not a sign of a smart man.
No, the British occupation did. Remember, even up till the Mughal rule, India had the highest share of the global GDP. Our traditions and culture helped our country and people amass the greatest wealth in the world, which is why we were colonised in the first place.
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgLearn to see beyond 300 years.
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgIt is easily explained. Have you ever been to some of the southern states in US of A? Eg St. Louis? Worlds’s largest and no one economy which is 24 trillion dollars, people in these states live on streets in conditions that’s worse than chawla of Mumbai…
It’s possible for a highly advanced and prosperous state ends on bullock carts.
When were all these Vedas compiled into one...? When were the puranas added and linked to Vedas..? Why Puranas were added to Vedas..? Whats the timeline for compilation of these texts ..? In what language or scripts were these texts first written and published and by whom...? Please anyone could make a video about it.
Let me answer this.
All Vedas were complied into present form at time of Mahabharata (around 1500 BC).
Puranas always were an auxiliary to Vedas which was why Vyasa appointed Lomaharshana to transmit Itihasa-Puranas while four other disciples were given four Vedas. Without Puranas (which are historical traditions), one cannot understand the various persons and events mentioned in Vedas. Or in other words, history of Vedic period can be understood from Puranas alone.
Present day Puranas are editions prepared between 500 AD to 1000 AD - though tradition hints that original version of these 18 Puranas were prepared by Vyasa around 1500 BC.
Puranas were originally composed in Sanskrit. They were always Sanskrit texts. But yes, the editions of Puranas available today are in Sanskrit language prevalent in 500-1000 AD period.
Great. Higgs Boson was also observed once and everybody was happy.
In the end dr elst ji did slam dunk on the name "bharat..".. the chad among men on panel..
Bharath is a story character , not any history !
Rastaa naap apna..😂
@@durgh_reloadeddurgh_reload5751 What do you mean ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg google kar le.. don't try to be gyaani mellecha..😁
@@durgh_reloadeddurgh_reload5751 I dont get any real proof for M B and ramayana by googling .
Why dont you tell what you know ?
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Is it Samskrutam or Sanskrit which is the name of the language? Surely the name of the language would be available in the expense of the prolific written litrature in the language. The word 'Sanskrit' was first coyed by Max Muller in his anxiety to pronounce Samskrutam and strategise as to how to loot and cart away from its abode.
Why can't they both be true? It's not even intelectually honest to make us have to "choose" between "aryan invasian" and "out of india."
That's like telling us to chose between some kind of "out of egypt" theory and a "Babylonian invasian" theory.
It's true that egypt had a massive religious and filisophical influence on the rest of the world just like India, and its also true that Egypt was invaded by Babylon.
From what I can tell the Saraswati región is one of the primal origins of civilization, and some group of people migrated out of there towards the west due to the Saraswati dying up probably at the same time or shortly after the Indus dried up .
Whether they were Aryans or not I don’t know.
Ancient Northern european religion and languages bear close resemblance to Hinduism and Sanskrit.
It's hard to imagine hinduism and Sanskrit coming FROM modern day Germány or sweeden TO India!
Hinduism is the indus dravidianism !
This is for a small group of intellectuals. What about the average youth who needs this more. Make it simple in language so that it reaches the larger group.
Great post 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
who is enemy and for what
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What was the period before the Vedic period..? How did at one particular time ''all knowledge'' was oozing out of people's mind and particularly by only ''rishis''....¿? What were other NON RISHIS doing during time during ''Vedic period''..? Were they in Vacations...?
stop inviting koenraad elst....he's NOT on our side
He literally helped you in Ram Temple case, you have to be soo stupid to say smtn like this.
Aryans very likely came to India from outside Aryans were Tall fair and well built Such a race could not have originated in India
Source? Aryans were not a 'race'. It meant noble people.
Those who subscribe to AIT are people whose minds are colonized, it’s the slavish mentality they manifest. Bringing the truth about OIT and debunking AIT is like playing the flute in front of a Buffalo. These scums can never be convinced about the greatness of Sanatan Dharma about Bharatvarsha, the land of Vedas
Ever heard of an ostrich head in sand?
i am a tamilian. Both in my mother’s and father’s family majority of people were 6 ft tall and very fair looking.
Inferiority complex if something is good then it is definitely not Indian
Brahmanvaad amar rhe...jai parshuram