Cycling's Toxic Diet Culture is Worse Than You Think | Dan Martin
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- An Extract from conversation with Dan Martin
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Men with eating disorders is still a huge taboo
it's not at all the same as with females, wrestlers and cyclists cut weight for performance gains thats much different than a psychological obsession with one's appearance. it's about power to weight nothing will ever change that.
@@fanda6122it can still be an eating disorder regardless of the motivation, ie ARFID
"It's much better to be lean than winning" 3:56
What a sad and pervasive attitude in cycling and many other sports :(
Tyler Hamilton talking about pretending to eat pasta at a party and spitting it into a napkin
Wow is this true? Not that I don't believe it, but.. that's next level.
@@jax02zerotwo th-cam.com/video/5CMdyOFgQDQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uuLdXqJK0DqGHDBn
He also talked about eating celery soup
And sparkling water to feel 'full'
”I knew i was on weight when the sleeves of my skin tight lycra jersey would flap in the wind”
When i reached 40 , i said to myself "ok,i'm probably always going to have a bit of a belly from now on" and as long as it doesn't get more than just a slight spare tyre i've settled with that hard truth.
I don't think that's a hard truth at all.
Interesting stuff. Thank you for this. I’m currently following a US track athlete who has managed to heal from an ED and even though she is heavier she is posting better and better times.
Allie Ostrander by chance? I've been watching her videos too; she is so inspirational.
I think there are more than a few girls, women, and their trainers in ballet and the aesthetic sports (e.g. rhythmic gymnastics and figure skating) that need to hear her message. Fuel and nutrients are f'in important especially for developing youngsters.
Yes, it is Allie. EDs are starting to get everywhere, in many sports, in some artistic careers like ballet. Even among the men.
@@Shelleysnailno. not “starting to get everywhere.” they’ve always been here. only now people are talking about it.
@@janemf point taken.
True her videos are good, but she is still half a minute from the top in a 9 minute race, that's 5-6% slower, that's 20-25min on a 7 hour race. That is the difference between winning and finishing way down in say Paris Roubaix.
Look at the body shape of the women winning the races and Allie being 5-6% slower. You can't deny the truth.
It is sick how racers look today.... Froome looked like he was recently released from a concentration camp. Riders have NOT just reduced their body fat (Lemond talked about this on this podcast, he raced at 4% body fat, and you can't be much lower than that, and he looked like a bodybuilder compared to racers today) they are shedding muscle. I suspect that this is aided by pharma help, it is not natural.
Yea. It is definitely not a healthy way to live. I also think about the offensive linemen in the NFL who weigh 330 lbs. Being super thin or super heavy is unnatural.
not everyone the young guys metabolism not change yet i know the guy he's 1,85m at 60kg and he is clean
Kenacort
jonas looks scary at the tour
They have to shed all their upper body muscle to increase watts per kilo.
Respect to Dan Martin. One of the tropes of life I like is, find what works for you
good topic. its a big issue but i think there is hope. nutritionists getting better and better.
Not unexpected. I remember coming across a stat that 25% of athletes that participate in sports that have weight classes, or require you to play around with your weight, end up with an eating disorder
This is where the UCI need to step in. We have minimum bike weights, what about minimum cyclist weights, based on your height and BMI?
Get real.
@@frankgallagher5786 I am. They do.
It's weird how mega serious cycling is. Bodybuilding TH-cam often treats everyone as if it's their life's purpose but there's plenty "bro" culture, it's clear enough there's normal people working out to get big yeah, but Not to win any contest and with not infinite time or discipline. In cycling TH-cam...or maybe endurance sports TH-cam overall? It's like there's only commuting 2 miles to get groceries or trying to win a race as if your life depends on it. I weigh almost 100kg. I wanna lose some but I can also deadlift 185 kg. I like my muscle. I'll " commute" back 60 km after getting there via train this weekend, with 10-15 kg luggage. I still have the click shoes but I switched to MTB flat pedals. I can't say I train endurance as seriously as I do weights but still. What I do seems insane to many normal people and slow and weak to cyclists😅. I'm in some nowhere land in between. There's barely advice how to casually improve endurance . I guess I can benefit from hard sprints but I'm really not sure.
Cargobike racing should be a real thing, loaded up with 30kg groceries. Or the teammate. Tactical element there, when to swap?
Interesting on the massage!!
I’m an overweight female cyclist who has been losing weight since cycling but I digress. In the beginning I had people in awe about my endurance and stamina which has only improved since I began cycling. In their mind, only skinny people could be good. I cycled with a friend who was petite and not overweight and I had better cardiovascular health, endurance, and stamina than her because I worked out regularly, she didn’t. This shows that although weight is an important factor while cycling, it doesn’t mean someone who isn’t skinny can’t also defy the odds. Also, not all overweight people were always overweight. Prior to being overweight I was very athletic and a healthy weight. I’m just retuning to the same diet and fitness routine I had before so both the weight and fitness level align.
lol, like it’s different in any other sport at the elite level…. What do does it take to get to that last .1%.
Not elite soccer
4:42
You ride that much eat man you need the power
I notice he often stammners and stops .. has to think what to say incase gives anything away
Everything about bike racing is toxic. Raging sugar/carb addiction. All those synthetic gels and drinks. Not enough meat and fat in the diet. The training and racing is highly stressful and accelerates aging.
Carnivore has been saving my life. Stopped a big handful of prescriptions. Improved blood pressure. Insulin resistance gone. Inflammation gone.
Lol, sure. People race bikes because they're addicted to sugar. Muppet.
Clearly you have never competed in competitive endurance sport. You dont need much meat and fat in your diet. Carbs, carbs, carbs is where its at. Training and racing is stressful on mind and body, its not healthy, thats for sure.
@@brunospastaneed protein to repare the damage tissue no ? I guess a balance diet with à lot of carbs is the best
@@brunospasta I road raced for 12 years. And did a lot of running. Humans need meat and fat for basic nutrition. It's what we ate for most of history. Crowding this out with carbs to support training means sacrificing long term health. Also unless you've tried being a fat-based endurance athlete, you dont know to what extent the carbs are actually needed.
Keto?
keto what, that shit sucks
@@tvsa7I’ll raise you carnivore and all my health improvements. Whatever. My blood work doesn’t lie.
@tvsa7 it really does, especially if you're an endurance athlete, I imagine.
I think Dan left cycling becasue of the weight issue and becasue of the lack of PED's making up the margin. Then the level you had to be at to compete. It didn't seem healthy.
Seeing Abrahamsen get on the podium on the first tour de france stage got me thinking different about my weight. He is 78kg at 183cm and is a beast in the hills. The commentators said he tried dieting but got always ill on a low weight. With more mass he seems to perform better. At the end of the day it comes down to how good efficient your engine, body and mind works together. Speaking from a total amateurs perspective though. This gives me confidence, even for my lack of discipline when it comes to eating LOL
It was the same for Sagan. By these standards he was a bit “heavy” for the sport (which is not hard when you see how skinny these men are)and yet it was what made him a strong opponent and winner 💪 he got stamina and good muscle strength.
@@biobauer8 good point, glad you say that. its show that every human is different
Well. Small hills. In those he can use his extra kilo's to descend faster,....
@@martinam7806Sagan can climb, too. Powerhouse.
Allie Ostrander, the prodigy distance runner had an eating disorder and has documented her recovery and trip to the Olympic trials.
Its the culture of 'looking the part' which is the absolute worst
Interesting what Dan says coz he always looked underweight like Roman Bardet
McDonald's and foot rub please
th-cam.com/video/5CMdyOFgQDQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uuLdXqJK0DqGHDBn clip from 7 years ago from Tyler Hamilton and his eating disorder. He tried to fill up with Diet Coke so he wouldn’t eat
Wrestling was evil when I was obsessed with weigh ins. Cycling is far worse. Far far worse.
Ski jumpers and horse racing jockeys, almost everyone suffers from anorexia or bulimia. Sven Hannavald looked like a Holocaust victim when he at the peak of his career.
What I don’t understand is how do these riders train so hard and race even harder without absolute loading up on fuel? Or do they just carb load for races but generally eat a lower amount of calories day to day? I guess these team coaches have it down to a science.
They don’t train hard. When they’re losing weight early season they’re doing zone 2 max.
@@gwefljno. They are still doing intervals and sustained threshold efforts early season. Do some research before guessing.
These days, they are also pushing to eat 100g of carbs/hour during races
Metabolic maths
PED's help suppress appetite a lot. Don't get it wrong the guys at the top are utilizing substances like Testosterone and EPO. They also use amphetamines like adderall and methylphenidate to curb appetite. End of the day its all about your power to weight ratio.
What if UCI doesn't allow riders compete below a given fat % ?
good idea on paper but impossible in practice. the only reliable scan is a dexa and getting 150+ riders through would be a lot
@@kaspershaupt isn't that easier than anti doping controls or bikes x-ray scans? I'd argue it's even more important for the health of the sport
Unenforcable.
Everything is if there’s a will
message causes more trauma /inflammation to the muscle after a hard ride/race delaying recovery. proper nutrition is key , smart of him to pick up on this.
These type of eating, too lean body, is mot healthy - more succeptable to common colds, common illnesses.
Sports that combine endurance and power are better for, produce physiologically better human bodies, fitness.
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Good stuff.
Should be titled why massage makes you sick
Fat is fuel, on the body or off.
Sugar is fuel
@@dinhomashele7203 when Theres no sugar left, fat becomes fuel.
Im a vegan, i stuff my face woth food, i dont train much and im as skinny as those guys or even more
How’s your gut? Digestion? You must spend a lot of money eating all day.
Because you are malnourished.
What do you fill up on? Rice, pasta, potatoes, fruit etc?