Ancient Irish DNA match with Modern Spanish
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2022
- A look at the DNA of the Ballynahatty Woman found in Ireland, and how the Early European Farmers that settled Ireland match with modern Spanish people, and Southern Europeans in general. We also do a GEDMATCH comparison between the Ballynahatty Woman and myself, to see if we match.
The Ballynahatty woman:
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Research Article:
www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas...
Footnotes:
archaicdna.blogspot.com/2016/0...
www.carrowkeel.com/files/who.html
www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...
www.maghera-heritage.org.uk/t...
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I lived 4 years in Channel ISlands , i was told so many times i look like an Irish guy. I am 75% basque with 25% Galician
Les galiciens ce sont les celtes qui venaient de la Gaule qu on appelle maintenant la France
@@louise6306 celts don’t come from gaul
@@MiloManning05 les ancêtres des français sont les gaulois et les gaulois sont des celtes
@@louise6306 NO, Galicians are from the northwest of Spain, Roman provice of Gallaicum. Celts was a culture rather than a ethnic group. Spainsh Celtis tribes had more to do with Anatolian Irish , British and Cananaite Celtic tribes.
ancient peoples of the UK came from Spain before they had been invaded by other waves of migration 6000 yrs ago. both share some ancient berber component in miniscule amounts.
I'm second generation Irish born 🇮🇪☘️ 87%Celtic 13% Nordic 🇧🇻 ....
The Norse-Gaels (Old Irish: Gall-Goídil; Irish: Gall-Ghaeil; Scottish Gaelic: Gall-Ghàidheil, 'foreigner-Gaels') were a people of mixed Gaelic and Norse ancestry and culture. They emerged in the Viking Age, when Vikings who settled in Ireland and in Scotland became Gaelicised and intermarried with Gaels.
Clan McDonald came from that. I'm a descendent.
Bede, the Anglo-Saxon historian, wrote (back in 750AD) that the Irish (and Welsh)
had come up from Spain originally. Of course, mixtures would have taken place over time, including
rapes from the Angles and Saxons made it's way into the Irish (and Welsh) genome.
BUT, ORIGINALLY, from their paternal line, they were a break-off, off-shoot of the Basque people
of Spain.
One reason that convinces me, is their age-old, never-changing cultural expressions.
They're almost IDENTICAL to what the Basque do. The women's style of cultural dress, and
mostly, the dances they do: ARE TOTALLY BASQUE!
Bede couks read and right because of Irish monks like Aidan of Lindisfarne who converted the Anglo-Saxons to Christianity in Northumbria. Who taught the first Saxon king of England to read and write. The Irish all ready wrote they came from Spain in the book of invasions Lebor Gabála Érenn. Irish is q Celtic so it make sense, the welsh would of come from the same place as the Britons so it would France somewhere. The Irish even wrote about a tower which is in the Basque. Dna has linked Irish males with males in a certain town in the Basque
@@jackieblue1267that has not been disproven they have linked Irish males to males in the Basque
@@jackieblue1267 The Irish badgers are Spanish, but the British badgers are not. Irish is q Celtic, Britain p Celtic
@@jackieblue1267 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7970938/
@@jackieblue1267link to the study
I am linked with this Ancient woman as well as the Rathlin man. Not surprising considering that one of my grandparents was entirely Irish and I have other Irish DNA coming from other ancestors too. I was so pleased to see what she looked like. Among other ancients I match with, I am also linking with more than one of the Headless Gladiators from York.
In reality which you probably know, all Europeans have these three components in varying amounts. More Farmer dna in the south and more Steppe in the north. The Neolithic Farmers from Anatolia took two different routs before meeting up again in Central Europe, one through the Balkans, the other the Mediterranean into and through Spain. Incidentally, I notice your FTDNA chart. I have them as one of my services as well. In general I like them, but their migration maps are slightly off or questionable in some areas. Also they are terrible conservative with their Steppe Herders proportions, in which they off set with an HG component. Every group has some HG admixture and origin, it’s just best and more helpful. to state properly in period context and times of migration, in my opinion.
Thanks for the video
the mediterranean neolitic farmers did not met , central european farmers in central europe but ib iberia bo that is why basques carry sardinian dna
From Africa.Every one of you😅😂
@@tcrawford3455And thousands of bottle-necks, genocides, and evolution have made us very different to the original humans who left Africa, who, by the way, we have no idea what they looked like.
Interesting video!
02:00 My result with GEDmatch:
Largest segment = 7.7 cM
81 shared segments found for this comparison.
(My ancestors came from Spain and France).
Hey how did you compare your kit to the Ballynehatty woman? Every time I try to do it it says “you do not have permission to use this kit”
Very interesting, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't suppose you're actually Sardegnian? Visited the ethnographic museum there recently - absolutely fascinating!
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING
Could you please give me your thoughts on the following?
Appreciate it
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Spanish, or Iberian = Basque?
I would have to see their Panel Profile and Test Results.
Theres an odd lack of coarity on this point, and Public overwhelmingly has an inaccurate idea Span8sh when its Basque.
I worked for a Lab for 15 years, different scope, but the Standards were Forensic.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
I look exactly like this statue. Every detail. Wow
Who knows I might have a small percentage of Irish I am Hispanic and Latino
I am Cuban and got 6% Irish
Now I'd question myself if "Leabhar Gabhala" and other ancient texts clearly describing origins of Irish and other celtic people are just tales as some people believe.
Rathlin, is pronounced Raathlin, not Raythlin. Rathlin is a lovely wee place, I've a cousin who lives there. As for aDNA, I'm related the first of the three Rathlin men, found under a pub - no surprise there and I'm related to the Ballynahatty Woman. But I imagine half the county, indeed, half of Europe is related to her too. I guess, we've been knocking about Antrim and Down, a bit longer than any of my family thought.😁
Due to the age of the samples, and the history of ancestors mixing across time, most all Europeans share in these ancient samples to whatever amount, regardless of location today. On a broad continental level today, Southern Europeans tend more towards the Ballynahatty Woman, due to higher ancient farmer DNA in their genetic makeup, and Northern Europeans tend towards the Rathlin samples. But it's a matter of degree and focus, because the opposite is likewise true, Southern and Northern Europeans share the other samples as well. The point was to show my connection to the samples as a Southern European descended person. and as an extension, that we're all connected in the ways that we are.
MY READING WAS Largest segment = 6.5 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 193.3cM (5.388 Pct)
Of all archaic samples, I match hers the strongest.
Largest segment 6cM
170.6cM total half matched
44 segment matches
wouldnt it have been a perilous journey in those times to sail across the channel up the west coast of ireland if they even had sails? i imagine it was more like canoes and transporting cattle to start a new life i also wonder why they would even do it?
So Cheddar woman was more like Manchego woman
Question, how did you compare your kit to the Ballynehatty woman? Every time I try to do it it says “you do not have permission to use this kit”
Parece que muchos se olvidan que los Españoles e Irlanceses ersn muy cercanos a tal punto que algunas familias Irlandesas eran parte de la Corte de Carlos l y su hijo y nieto
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My surname Moran is also found in Spain. I am a Neolith .
Actually, I still keep arguing with Irish friends whether Moran is an Irish or Asturian surname! Lots of Morans around here
Coincidencia!
My largest segment was 8.4 cM. Total half-match segments was 282.5.
you not even need to cross match you in archaic DNA , you can see the graphic, of where your DNA is from the longest lines tells you that you have dna from that ancient samples simple as that most of iberian got dna from russia samara , hungary and sweden
Rathlin is pronounced like wrath lin
Tanx, as spelled by Marc Boland of T-Rex.
Thank you , correct, that’s the pronunciation 🤔
@gerardmccartney
And if you see a "gh" in Irish names, it's almost certainly pronounced /h/, not /g/.
I have a match with both Ballynahatty and Rathlin Is.
Same. But I'm not even Irish lol I'm Iberian/Spanish of Puerto Rican extraction.
I have f999805 on my gedmatch, ancestry dna says I’m 8% Irish wales German English and Norwegian, but on my heritage it says I’m 14% Iberian and like 3% Irish Scottish it was clear to me that ancestry dna 🧬 classifies Iberian as other things like irish, my ancestors were moors I have ancestors with name Moore, mooris, merida, etc my great great grandmother was Irish but not with red hair or anything she had dark hair, that’s because Iberians went into Ireland, some of which are really spanish
you wrong , ancestry is the most accurate of all testing companies , its correct , your 8%irish , the iberians never went to ireland , some tribes the same as iberian went to ireland from the balkans but the irish don't have nothing to do with iberian , they just share the same roots central europe balkans
@@robertolang9684 I’m going to need you to do some history research 🧐
According to Sykes, the Iberians came to Ireland, Scotland and Wales, and became known as the Celts and are written up in the historic Irish Book of Kells. Then, centuries later, the Celts migrated to Spain and intermarried with the Iberian/Spanish peoples.
@@robertolang9684 dna doesn’t lie ancestry dna doesn’t have Iberian it tells you on their website they classify it as Irish etc, my ancestors came from the England scottland Ireland and were moors, indentured servants and slaves brought to Maryland, look up the slaves in catoctin furnace whose dna is traced back to the moors of cordoba that’s my true ancestry
@@thedeitysaidit9642 you before talking about dna must understand that ancestry does not have iberian because they are more advanced than other companies they can detect the difference betwen spanish portuguese basque ok forget about moors of cordoba most of them were jews , not mauris , i'm a iberian , in my ancestry i have 87 pretugues , 6 scotia that is correct and 5 wales that is correct , my people are the tribes kallaicos that come from central europe balkans in bronze age , yes today we have distinct dna the same as in bronze age , because people in that time used to live in tribal comunities i know very well about ancestry tests they are the most acurate for european people
@@thedeitysaidit9642 skies ? just a story teller like so many
One look at Aidan Turner and you have to wonder whether or not his roots go back to at least Spain and hence the Middle East. I even heard him describe himself as an Arab. He may have been joking, but as I said, he may be partially right. Anyway, does any of this really matter? We all came from Africa originally so we're all human beings, part of the same family, with our DNA extremely close to each other's.
All Europeans are genetically cousins, and they share different combinations of the same previous population sources. But all Europeans are likewise cousins to everyone else across the world. And that's according genetics, also linguistics, and archaeology. Broadly, one can just simply say that everyone is related, full stop. But there's a genetic history of population movements, and depending on the slice of time one is looking at, certain details can be had. This video has a specific scope concerning Ancient Irish DNA and modern Spanish, which is the focus. Spain is not Arab, nor do the people appear so, though some may, in the context of Mediterranean populations, it all depends on what people's reference points are and what they've been exposed to. In some locations, specially across the south, there are countless buildings with Arab origin, and other things such as music etc. For Spain, the genetic contribution from the Middle East is minimal to non existent, instead, at a population level, some have North African percentages. Broadly, taken at that level, Spain had contribution from various other groups across time: native Iberian, Celts, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, and many others. But there's plenty of literature on the history of Spain available, as well as genetics. The concept of judging by looks, is a simple but wrong assumption often. People opt for doing so because it's easy. But the truth, to the degree that we know it, humans have a far more complex history. This video is just a snapshot within that, nothing more.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING Yes, well, I wasn't assuming anything, just asking. According to Guy Murchie who wrote _The Seven Mysteries of Life,_ human beings are all at least 50th cousins, and, of course, most of us are much more closely related than that.
Well sai
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING
Was your mtDNA the same? What is hers?
My mtDNA is H2a2a1, broadly, I've not taken a deeper test. I believe the Neolithic Ballynahatty Woman's mtdna is HV0 +195. The 3 Early Bronze Age men were R1b.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING
Thank you! I'm U5b2, apparently a new mutation. Im fascinated with this topic. I wish you'd made a longer video though, greedy me! I had the ancient testing done. It takes a while to wrap ones head around it, but you help a lot. I've always loved people watching. There are so many unusual faces out there. To evaluate a species based on 4 examples seems silly. I've been duving into the 12,000 year solar possible extinction events. I think its possibly the reason we don't find more remains.
One tribe has a legend about being underground for a ling time and lead outside by "Ant People". Obviously if such events occurred, some people survived it.
This subject has so many curious pieces to it! I find it very disturbing that races are ignored by researchers. Each group has certain specializations that are important to note and still exist.
To do otherwise is bad science, imo.
I'm looking forward to your next video! Please continue to dish on the mtDNA and DNA. It's so helpful! Many thanks! ✨
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING i share more dna with the first man than with her , with other 2 none
Ireland′s closest group in the MDS is the population of Guipuzcoa, the most geographically easterly of the Basque groups. Furthermore, in the MDS Guipuzcoa is closer to Ireland than to any of the other Basque populations. For comparison, the Caucasian population of the United Kingdom segregates with the non-Basque Western European cluster. Confirmation of these genetic affinities between the Irish and the Basque populations is seen in the topology of the NJ tree. This is from a study on Irish males and Basque males
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7970938/
Some Irish people looks even Andalucian ( the luckiest ones). And alot of English looks Spanish if you put a friendly hot healthy face on them.
that are the ones that are celtic
@@robertolang9684 the lucky ones. not Mr Beans
@@Souliban mister beans are all from vikinga ancestry little Germanic early European farmers no admix with Aryan tribes of sintasha culture
@@Souliban must have DNA from that big animal in bichon in Switzerland to be Celtic ass
@@robertolang9684 looking pretty dark too many. But most of the Brits and Irish are R1b1...
Great but Rathvinden is pronounced ratlin you don’t pronounce the h
Spanish, or Iberian = Basque?
I would have to see their Panel Profile and Test Results.
Theres an odd lack of coarity on this point, and Public overwhelmingly has an inaccurate idea Span8sh when its Basque.
I worked for a Lab for 15 years, different scope, but the Standards were Forensic.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
The Basque look genetically similar to their neighbors, French, Spanish, Iberian and so on. The naming conventions fall into a broader one of Southern European, which nests inside of European and so on. I match with Ballynahatty Woman, but also with the Rathlin remains, I used Spanish for the title as it's my Ancestry. Though I could say American, or break it down in various ways. Since DNA is shared within and across populations, the idea that one group is different than another required elimination of common shared segments, in order to arrive at usable differences for the scope of a study. But I'll say it plainly, I not only have ancestry from Spain, but have it from across the Iberian peninsula, to include the Basque. Southern Europeans carry more Farmer DNA than Northwest Europeans, and this is shared with the Ballynahatty Woman. The trouble is, if broadening the scope of what you're looking at, All Europeans match each other anyhow. But this was a look at something specific, and holds true still. I added footnotes as well in the description.
IBERIAN=Península Ibérica= Portugal+ Espanha.
I'm almost 100% Irish and I pick up Spanish language very fast. I wonder if genetics could actually affect that.
No, they do not. Those people did not speak Spanish or anything remotely resembling Spanish.
I am from Spain, We don not look Irish or British. Our culture and our people were heavily influenced by the Islamic occupation, a much more glorious history than our short lived and insignificant Visigoth past. These videos about us Iberians are pure non sense and do nothing to help ease tensions in our ever growing multiracial and multicultural Iberia!! Please stop spreading hate!!
@@Lion718 A lot of people in the Basque region do. And the gene that brought red hair and green eyes is recent in Ireland. a few thousand years ago Irish people were predominantly dark. Imn some regions they still are - notably the North.
Oh and bullshit to everything else you said.
@@Lion718 please stop spreading your cheeks 🤣
That's interesting - my sister (Irish) was fascinated by things Spaish (migrated and married a Spaniard) Her dentist who also dental archeology, has informed her she has a dental feature observed in very early Spanish populations. Funny old world.
Grandma was so Old she had to get carbon dated 🍥
🇪🇸 Pues yo soy 100% español y parezco español.
1550 BC the Hycsos/CAnanaite/ Phoenician sailed west from Avaris Cananaite qwere semitic-Hityte and Hurrite So anatolians coming from the Ukranian Steepe, c
we all know that the first to use chariots in war were the hittite cannanite and the egyptian , there is no other history record that charriot has been used as a war weapon , the bull cart has been used since chalcolitic , so that tese of steppe is a bulshit , and academia just make presupntions nothing else
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I have bacon strips in my underwear 🤣
These are extremely old remains. Most people of North Western European heritage, if not all, would be related to these remains in some way. Using modern national countries to compare to old remains is meaninglessness
The literature from Trinity College, Dublin, Queen's University, Belfast, and others, is clear. The Ballynahatty Woman is genetically closer to Spain, and Southern Europe. And the context is found, clearly, in the video, and footnotes linked. I'd imagine, though this may be meaningless to you, geneticists would disagree, specially the ones that worked to give the world this important data and insight. Your particular comment, over 'all people sharing genetics with ancient remains', is a different topic all together, though valid in its own right.
We are all the same
that's a myth. Galicians or some basque maybe. But the coastal regions in the east (the more populated) i Can assure you have nothing to do with irish. nothing at all.
It's not a matter of what you feel or wish, it's simply a dry description about DNA in the context of the video, and I added links to sources as well. If that does not please you, you're bias, and uninterested in reading, there's plenty out there like you, enjoy it.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING I don't like that there are people who lie online with total impunity. Any undocumented person can do it. The sources are other Irish people as biased as you.
Read the literature, learn, and figure it out. You're gas-lighting and likely thinking you know things you really don't. Read more.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING I read unbiased literature, not yours
Wow someone hates the Irish.
Now we know where the black Irish came from !
You should be proud of the education your parents gave. I'm sure the apple does not fall far from the tree.
WTF is that? so, only Spain has white people with black hair? LOL at least 1/3 of englands has black hair too, by example...
This is only because Spaniards have more Neolithic ancestry than the Irish. After all, the ancestors of the Irish replaced 90% of the Neolithic Genes when they invaded and conquered the isles.
Irish DNA can be from Africa, Pakistan, Brazil or anywhere as all people can be Irish
Broadly, all humans share DNA, and that is genetically true. Although it's a fairly simple concept, many folks have, and will have, issues, processing that for a great many years, it appears that way. But this video is specific to samples from remains of ancient people, in Ireland, in their respective era. Specifically, the Ballynahatty woman, who is closer to Spain and Southern Europeans, genetically. There's plenty of literature on this, and I link to some of it in the description of this video, for those interested in reviewing it further.
No . Absolutely untrue.
@@conlaiarla but Irish is not an ethnic group
THE FACT IS, ONLY THE BRITISH, IRISH OR PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN THE UK, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, KNOWS WHAT THE ENGLISH PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE OF THE BRITISH ISLES, REALLY LOOK LIKE, IN APPEARANCE. IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT PEOPLE, WHO ARE NOT FROM THE UK, IRELAND OR THE BRITISH ISLES AND HAVE NEVER LIVED OR EVEN BEEN THERE, THINK THEY KNOW BETTER, ABOUT THE PEOPLE THERE AND WHAT THEY REALLY LOOK LIKE, IN APPEARANCE. WHAT I SAID IN THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT IS TRUE SO WHY DELETE IT ? THE COMMENT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE PERSON, WHO SAID THAT MANY IRISH PEOPLE LOOK ANDALUCIAN AND MANY ENGLISH PEOPLE LOOK SPANISH WHICH IS COMPLETELY FALSE INFORMATION, YET YOU DIDN'T DELETE HIS/HER COMMENT.
It is not very useful to have a battle over how folks look or not, when there's billions of people on earth, and they're a gradient of each other, not hard drawn lines. Unless the goal is some tribal chest pounding of sorts, then I guess that would have it's utility, but it's silly. My video is about the Ballynahatty Woman, and modern Spanish populations being connected by DNA. I attached sources from researchers, and it's not in dispute by anyone serious. The conversation you and others are having over how populations look, is a huffing and puffing match, and a waste of time.
“No population is, or ever could be, pure” - David Reich, a professor of genetics
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/harvard-geneticist-no-populations-dna-is-pure/
YES. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A PURE RACE BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OF CERTAIN RACES WHO DO HAVE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF APPEARANCE AND IF I KNOW THIS AND ANOTHER PERSON IS GIVING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE AND CORRECT THEM, IN THEIR THINKING. I WASN'T IN CONFLICT WITH THAT PARTICULAR PERSON BUT I WAS WITH THE OTHER PERSON (roberto) BECAUSE HE STARTED TO USE OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE, WHEN I DISAGREED WITH HIM WHICH IS UNNECESSARY.
@@RS-ln3ns why do you feel the need to write in all capital letters?
@@Cobe1976 BECAUSE THE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS IN MY COMMENTS, BENEFITS PEOPLE WITH POOR VISION BY HELPING THEM TO READ MY COMMENTS MORE EASILY WHICH IS THE REASON WHY I USE IT.
@@RS-ln3ns I just watched a video of Swedes taking a DNA test looking for Viking genes. One guy was 100% Scandinavian! others were 98%, 99%, 97%. Only one of the five had mixed European DNA.
Irish are Bantus
“We wuz Celtic kangz”
Of all archaic samples, I match hers the strongest.
ya you are mostly farmer not Celtic then
ha ha ha camon guys depend of the company test , my heritage gives you plenty centimograms , ancestry gives you just a few
i only get some centimograms in bichon with ancestry test , with my heritage nothing so , depends of the test = bulshit because our DNA is the same
@@robertolang9684 maybe invest in an in depth test. I am 30% Scandinavian according to whole genome sequencing, and ancestry says I am 40% Irish. The tests are wildly different.
I am Sardinian according to both tests, however, so I'll assume ancestry from that area of the world.
@@haleydoe644 i got more deep ancient tests than any king in the world , and i can tell you i belong to a very important family of billionaires but i'm very poor i carry more tax in my back than possessions i have ha ha ha ha